Shias always rail against "Wahhabis" and PRETEND they have no issue with "mainstream sunnis"

Now who are Wahhabis? And who are mainstream Sunnis?
Anyway it does not matter. If you don't believe in 12 imams, Shias believe you will go into hellfire - Wahhabi or not


Recall the way Shias protested the terrorists levelling of graves in Mali about 2 years ago

Now this is what they did - The terrorists levelled graves the Shias DESECRATED the grave of who?

Imam Abu Hanifah - they took out his bones and buried a dog inside. Now they talk about hate and extremism !!

No one can rival Shias in Falsehood and duplicity

When Ismail 1st seized Baghdad in 1508 AD, Sunni Muslims were massacred. The tombs of the Abbasid Caliphs were destroyed. Even the tombs of the jurist Imam Abu Hanifah and Abdul-Qadir al-Jilani were not spared and were literally desecrated. After the Safavids were pushed out the Ottomans on the other hand never retaliated against Shi’ite shrines and populations in Iraq. Here a list of the crimes of the savage pagan, Isma’il Safawi:

“Many architectural monuments of Sunnis were destroyed. One of those architectural monuments was the tomb of the founder of the Hanafi madhab, Abu Hanifa (rahimahullah). The tomb included a mosque and an adjactent madrasa. The mosque and the madrassa at the grave of Abu Hanifah (rahimahullah) was built by the Saljuks. On the command of Shah Ismail Safawi 1st, the mosque and madrassa were destroyed to the ground. Then they made a hole in the grave of Abu Hanifah. They took the bones of Abu Hanifa out of the grave and instead buried a dog inside of it. After that, they made a toilet on the grave. In the streets of Baghdad, the Kizilbashis (Turkic Alawite army of the Safavids) anounced that whoever goes to this toilet to relieve himself, he will be given 25 tabriz Dinars.(1). At that moment, a Qommi (from the Shia city of Qom) poet was next to Ismail. A poem of this poet was written on the wall of the toilet. The poem went as follow:

The Shi’i dirtied the grave of Abu Hanifa, On the dirtied grave by a shi’i, prostation was performed by Sunnis. The dirtied places by Shi’ites, have become a place of prostation for Sunnis.(2)”

https://sonsofsunnah.com/2016/08/03/the-graveworshipping-shiite-safavids-defiled-abu-hanifahs-grave/

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Shias always rail against "Wahhabis" and PRETEND they have no issue with "mainstream sunnis"

Now who are Wahhabis? And who are mainstream Sunnis?
Anyway it does not matter. If you don't believe in 12 imams, Shias believe you will go into hellfire - Wahhabi or not


Recall the way Shias protested the terrorists levelling of graves in Mali about 2 years ago

Now this is what they did - The terrorists levelled graves the Shias DESECRATED the grave of who?

Imam Abu Hanifah - they took out his bones and buried a dog inside. Now they talk about hate and extremism !!

No one can rival Shias in Falsehood and duplicity



https://sonsofsunnah.com/2016/08/03/the-graveworshipping-shiite-safavids-defiled-abu-hanifahs-grave/

This is quite despicable, such level of hatred and extremism, I wouldn't be surprised, they do have narrations in their most revered books saying that when their Imam comes as the Mahdi, he would bring out some companions of the Prophet (SAW) from their graves and do all sought of things to them, there is even a narration about Ummul-mu'minin Aisha (RA), that she would be tried by the imam...Well our resident shi'as would deny all these and call you names...

sino:


This is quite despicable, such level of hatred and extremism, I wouldn't be surprised, they do have narrations in their most revered books saying that when their Imam comes as the Mahdi, he would bring out some companions of the Prophet (SAW) from their graves and do all sought of things to them, there is even a narration about Ummul-mu'minin Aisha (RA), that she would be tried by the imam...Well our resident shi'as would deny all these and call you names...

Lying is 90% of the creed of Shia
So they deny everything

And no shia worthy of his creed with REFRAIN from cursing and name calling!
When he is not calling people names, he must be in taqiyya (deception) mode

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Shias always rail against "Wahhabis" and PRETEND they have no issue with "mainstream sunnis"

Now who are Wahhabis? And who are mainstream Sunnis?
Anyway it does not matter. If you don't believe in 12 imams, Shias believe you will go into hellfire - Wahhabi or not


Recall the way Shias protested the terrorists levelling of graves in Mali about 2 years ago

Now this is what they did - The terrorists levelled graves the Shias DESECRATED the grave of who?

Imam Abu Hanifah - they took out his bones and buried a dog inside. Now they talk about hate and extremism !!

No one can rival Shias in Falsehood and duplicity



https://sonsofsunnah.com/2016/08/03/the-graveworshipping-shiite-safavids-defiled-abu-hanifahs-grave/

And some gullible "mainstream sunnis" will see "wahhabis" as enemies taking sides with shi'as that are in taquiyya mode..

I asked one(''mainstream sunni'') in a thread that "who is a wahhabi" , he couldn't reply, they just hate that name without even knowing what it is.

I think only ignorant people cannot see through the deceit of shias, a religion built on celebrating division and dissension. Didn't Allah warn against breaking into shias and being contented with the shia you have picked? But shias take the title despite such negative connotations in teh Qur'an and dire warning proudly.

vedaxcool:
I think only ignorant people cannot see through the deceit of shias, a religion built on celebrating division and dissension. Didn't Allah warn against breaking into shias and being contented with the shia you have picked? But shias take the title despite such negative connotations in teh Qur'an and dire warning proudly.

Why do you celebrate spreading ignorance and misinformation?

The word "Shia" is used in the Quran in a positive, negative and neutral sense.

Allah addressed Prophet Ibrahim (as) as being righteous and "among the Shia (followers) of Noah".

It clear shows that Allah condemns the "shia" of Taghut, not the righteous Shia like the Shia of Ali (as).

Stop lying and attributing it to the Holy Quran.

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Shias always rail against "Wahhabis" and PRETEND they have no issue with "mainstream sunnis"

Now who are Wahhabis? And who are mainstream Sunnis?
Anyway it does not matter. If you don't believe in 12 imams, Shias believe you will go into hellfire - Wahhabi or not


Recall the way Shias protested the terrorists levelling of graves in Mali about 2 years ago

Now this is what they did - The terrorists levelled graves the Shias DESECRATED the grave of who?

Imam Abu Hanifah - they took out his bones and buried a dog inside. Now they talk about hate and extremism !!

No one can rival Shias in Falsehood and duplicity



https://sonsofsunnah.com/2016/08/03/the-graveworshipping-shiite-safavids-defiled-abu-hanifahs-grave/

Your job is to lie too. Like the silly website of Takfir and hate you're relying on.

First, who's Ismail you're referring to and what makes the Shia accountable for his actions? Why are Sunnis pardoned and excused for having dictators and tyrants like Saddam and the Shia are to be held responsible if they have Shia born tyrant?

Secondly, the motives of Wahhabis destroying the tomb of the righteous and Ismail destroying tombs of his perceived enemies are different. There's no where in Shia theology where having graves or visiting them or honoring the memory of the dead is deemed as idolatry. So that is not the basis for Ismail, the Safavid ruler's ALLEGED actions. I say alleged actions because your claims could be false and I have no time to verify such claims. But your Wahhabi masters destroyed the graves of the sahaba and Ahlul-Bayt (as) in Jannatul Baqi in Medina, and in Jannatul Muallah in Makkah. So if at all, Wahhabis must be thankful to Ismail al-Safawi for helping Tim in their task they love most to carry out.

ShiaMuslim:


Why do you celebrate spreading ignorance and misinformation?

The word "Shia" is used in the Quran in a positive, negative and neutral sense.

Allah addressed Prophet Ibrahim (as) as being righteous and "among the Shia (followers) of Noah".

It clear shows that Allah condemns the "shia" of Taghut, not the righteous Shia like the Shia of Ali (as).

Stop lying and attributing it to the Holy Quran.

Is that why you people dug up the grave of an innocent man?


“…and be not amongst those who join gods with Allah, those who split up their Religion, and become shias (sects) - each party rejoicing in that which is with itself.” (Quran, 30:31-32)

He who has ears let them hear....the verse addresses Muslims

Demmzy15:
Just watch how ShiaMuslim would justify this evil. This guy even went as far to support the massacres of Muslims at the hands of the mongols, the beating and killing of innocent Bahraini Sunni students.
ShiaMuslim don't quote me o, I don talk my own now.

Very innocent of you! Liar!!!

Lying is your way from time immemorial.

vedaxcool:



Is that why you people dug up the grave of an innocent man?


“…and be not amongst those who join gods with Allah, those who split up their Religion, and become shias (sects) - each party rejoicing in that which is with itself.” (Quran, 30:31-32)

He who has ears let them hear....the verse addresses Muslims

Indeed!

It is addressed to the coupists of Saqifa Banu Saeeda who divided the ummah and went astray from the path of Allah and the declaration of Prophet Muhammad (s) at Ghadir Khumm.

Let those who have ears, hear!!!

But why have you drifted?! You claim the word "Shia" is negatively used in the Quran. But I proved otherwise. Allah (swt) addressed His righteous servant and messenger Ibrahim (as) as being of the "Shia of Noah". How about that? Is it contradiction in the Quran, or stupidity and blind misinterpretation by you? Which?!

vedaxcool:



Is that why you people dug up the grave of an innocent man?


“…and be not amongst those who join gods with Allah, those who split up their Religion, and become shias (sects) - each party rejoicing in that which is with itself.” (Quran, 30:31-32)

He who has ears let them hear....the verse addresses Muslims

The Quran is final let me leave those who take lightly the warning of Allah to play up their hypocrisy and deceit.

Are you expecting Shia to justify the atrocities of Safavid Emperor, Ismail, just because he was a Shia?

Can you justify atrocities committed by Ottoman Khalifahs because of their Sunnism?

# Obviously the atrocities committed by the Safavid Emperor Ismail, who spread Shi'ism by force, killed and desecrated graves in religious name cannot be justified by any standard. It is sheer wickedness and oppression.

# The Ottoman Empire before the Safavid also had its own history written in blood while enforcing Sunnism.

# And Muhammad ibn Abdulwahab in conjunction with Muhammad ibn Saud with the help of the British dealt ferociously with various Sunni and Shi'i communities in Hijaz and beyond.

# Even today, the ISIS, the El-Shabab, the BOKO HARAM etc who claimed to be spreading Sunnism/Salafism are more brutal than the Ottoman or Safavid.

# Remember, Makkah and Madinah were once destroyed by the army of "Sunni" Khalifah Yazeed ibn Mu'awiyah. Kaaba was burnt and leveled to the ground. Thousands were killed and women raped. Were this Christian vs Muslims or Sunni vs Shia?

All these are dark historical facts against Muslims at large. Using a fact in this respect (concealing others) to apportion blame is hypocrisy.

# No sects is free from blame. Overtime, those at the helm of power seem to had been driven by these power to oppress one another. Allah never love the oppressors, whoever they are (were).

Imam an-Nasai documents:

It was narrated from Abu Saeed that the Messenger of Allah said:

"Allah never sends a prophet or appoints a Khalifah but he has two groups of advisers: A group that tells him to do good and a group that tells him to do evil and urges him to do it. And the one who is truly protected (masoom, وَالْمَعْصُومُ ) is the one who is protected by Allah, the Mighty and Sublime."

Grade : Sahih (Darussalam)

Reference : Sunan an-Nasa'i 4202
In-book reference : Book 39, Hadith 54
English translation : Vol. 5, Book 39, Hadith 4207
www.sunnah.com/nasai/39

ShiaMuslim:


Indeed!

It is addressed to the coupists of Saqifa Banu Saeeda who divided the ummah and went astray from the path of Allah and the declaration of Prophet Muhammad (s) at Ghadir Khumm.

Let those who have ears, hear!!!

But why have you drifted?! You claim the word "Shia" is negatively used in the Quran. But I proved otherwise. Allah (swt) addressed His righteous servant and messenger Ibrahim (as) as being of the "Shia of Noah". How about that? Is it contradiction in the Quran, or stupidity and blind misinterpretation by you? Which?!

It's a deliberate and intentional approach. That shouldn't surprise you.

In addition to what you have offered him, here's an hadith:

# Imam Ahmad gives a mutawatir report:

Ibrāhīm b. Sharīk – ‘Uqbah b. Mukram al-Ḍabī – Yūnus b. Bukayr – alSawār b. Muṣ’ab – Abū al-Jahhāf – Abū Mukram ‘Uqbah – Muḥammad b. ‘Amr – Fāṭimah al-Kubrā – Umm Salamah:

The Prophet, peace be upon him, was with me on my night when Fāṭimah and ‘Alī visited him. So, the Messenger of Allāh, peace be upon him, said, “O ‘Alī, be happy, because you and your companions and [size=14pt]your Shī’ah will be in Paradise[/size]"

Source: Abū ‘Abd Allāh Aḥmad b. Ḥanbal, Kitāb Faḍāil al-Ṣaḥābah (Jeddah: Dār al-‘Ilm li al-Ṭabā’ah wa al-Nashr; 1st edition, 1403 H) [annotator: Waṣiyyullāh b. Muḥammad ‘Abbās], vol. 2, p. 654, # 1115

# We can prove the Tawattur of this hadith if they want.

AlBaqir:
All these are dark historical facts against Muslims at large. Using a fact in this respect (concealing others) to apportion blame is hypocrisy.

And there is no intention to conceal. It was to highlight that as far as the Shias are concerned all sunnis (Wahabbi and non Wahhabi) are destined for the hellfire for ever
And if that is not takfir, I don't know what it is

AlBaqir:
Using a fact in this respect (concealing others) to apportion blame is hypocrisy.

Like when somebody posts on Nairaland the article favourable to Iran in New York Times written by Iranian FM and keeps quiet about the one critical of Iran written by the Saudis.
Right?

Anyway we did not want to bring the Saudi article here. But Insha Allah we shall now do so

AlBaqir:

# No sects is free from blame. Overtime, those at the helm of power seem to had been driven by these power to oppress one another. Allah never love the oppressors, whoever they are (were).

Really? So how come if we do a count on Nairaland alone, we will have at least a ratio 9:1 (Shia/sunni) articles on the atrocities of the other

AlBaqir:

Imam an-Nasai documents:
It was narrated from Abu Saeed that the Messenger of Allah said:

"Allah never sends a prophet or appoints a Khalifah but he has two groups of advisers: A group that tells him to do good and a group that tells him to do evil and urges him to do it. And the one who is truly protected (masoom, وَالْمَعْصُومُ ) is the one who is protected by Allah, the Mighty and Sublime."

Grade : Sahih (Darussalam)

Reference : Sunan an-Nasa'i 4202
In-book reference : Book 39, Hadith 54
English translation : Vol. 5, Book 39, Hadith 4207
www.sunnah.com/nasai/39

I will like to mention that there is no mention of masoom in that hadith. It is your own insertion. I am pointing it out because of your concept of masoom refers to infallibility which your Imams possess which we dispute.

Yes, we agree that the Prophet does not make mistake with regard to the religion. But he can in matters of this world

So, it says
It was narrated from Abu Saeed tht the Messenger of Allah said:
"Allah never sends a prophet or appoints a Khalifah but he has two groups of advisers: A group that tells him to do good and a group that tells him to do evil and urges him to do it. And the one who is truly protected is the one who is protected by Allah, the Mighty and Sublime

AlBaqir:


It's a deliberate and intentional approach. That shouldn't surprise you.

In addition to what you have offered him, here's an hadith:

# Imam Ahmad gives a mutawatir report:

Ibrāhīm b. Sharīk – ‘Uqbah b. Mukram al-Ḍabī – Yūnus b. Bukayr – alSawār b. Muṣ’ab – Abū al-Jahhāf – Abū Mukram ‘Uqbah – Muḥammad b. ‘Amr – Fāṭimah al-Kubrā – Umm Salamah:

The Prophet, peace be upon him, was with me on my night when Fāṭimah and ‘Alī visited him. So, the Messenger of Allāh, peace be upon him, said, “O ‘Alī, be happy, because you and your companions and [size=14pt]your Shī’ah will be in Paradise[/size]"

Source: Abū ‘Abd Allāh Aḥmad b. Ḥanbal, Kitāb Faḍāil al-Ṣaḥābah (Jeddah: Dār al-‘Ilm li al-Ṭabā’ah wa al-Nashr; 1st edition, 1403 H) [annotator: Waṣiyyullāh b. Muḥammad ‘Abbās], vol. 2, p. 654, # 1115

# We can prove the Tawattur of this hadith if they want.

Please prove it!

ShiaMuslim:


Your job is to lie too. Like the silly website of Takfir and hate you're relying on.

And is the story a lie?
If not, you are the one about to start lying
Denigrating the truth is lying
Nobody in my religion say that 90% of our deen is lying
Nobody says if I lie enough I will attain the status of your all-knowing Imam

ShiaMuslim:

Like the silly website of Takfir and hate you're relying on.

When did takfiri and hate become silly
Your religion is based on making takfiri of
(1) the sahaba - you claim only 3 or 7 remained on the path
(2) You declare that we sunnis will go into hellfire if we don't believe in your 12 imams
(3) When you composed a curse called Dua Sanam E Quraish (devoted to Abu Bakr, Umar, Aisha and Hafza RAA) and say same will earn you rewards, I reckon curse is act of love rather than hate in shiaism

every time a shia talks or writes s/he lies.

ShiaMuslim:

First, who's Ismail you're referring to and what makes the Shia accountable for his actions? Why are Sunnis pardoned and excused for having dictators and tyrants like Saddam and the Shia are to be held responsible if they have Shia born tyrant?

Who is pardoning evil? Point to one article written by me to support Saddam
Ismail did on your behalf and you were happy! very happy
How many times do members of your group attack us with the actions of Saudi Arabia
Discussing with Shias is tiresome because it is pitting the truth against artful liars

ShiaMuslim:

Secondly, the motives of Wahhabis destroying the tomb of the righteous and Ismail destroying tombs of his perceived enemies are different.
There's no where in Shia theology where having graves or visiting them or honoring the memory of the dead is deemed as idolatry. So that is not the basis for Ismail, the Safavid ruler's ALLEGED actions. I say alleged actions because your claims could be false and I have no time to verify such claims.

Asking the dead and bowing to their graves and image is idolatory in Islam. That much is settled
take all the time you want to verify

ShiaMuslim:

But your Wahhabi masters destroyed the graves of the sahaba and Ahlul-Bayt (as) in Jannatul Baqi in Medina, and in Jannatul Muallah in Makkah. So if at all, Wahhabis must be thankful to Ismail al-Safawi for helping Tim in their task they love most to carry out.

Nobody is my master in this world. I can disagree with whosoever I believe is wrong
Thank you

But I know that all Shias have their puppeteer in Iran. Every error and evil of the supreme leader who incidentally was chosen like in Saqifa is defended stoutly here
I am a freeborn Muslim. I am not teleguided from a foreign country planting puppets and armies of destablisation and hate all around the world
At least Ayatollah Khomeini named all your enemies in his last will and you have consecrated your lives to opposing them, no matter any positive thing done by them

Alhamdulillah! Only a shameful person will try to defend what I have highlighted above.

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And there is no intention to conceal. It was to highlight that as far as the Shias are concerned all sunnis (Wahabbi and non Wahhabi) are destined for the hellfire for ever
And if that is not takfir, I don't know what it is

No! The Safavid emperor, Ismail was never known to be a Shi'i Scholar or Mujtahid unlike the Ibn Taymiyyah and Ibn Abdulwahab. Yet even if he was, does he represent Shia manhaj or the whole Shia Ulama?

# For your cries to have any weight, you need to provide Shi'i authentic hadiths from their Masoom Imams where there are clear declarations that Sunni are Kuffar. Observe, the word kuffar here synonymous to Hellfire.

# You need to make up your mind: Are you talking on behalf of Sunni or Wahabiyah? Both are not the same unless your intention is to unite them against the Shia.

# ISIS based all their Takfiri fatawa on Ibn Abdulwahab's fatawa. The same fatawa he used to justify the killings of the people of hejaz and beyond during his so-called "jihad". Mainstream Ahlu sunnah distanced themselves from Wahabiyah.

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Like when somebody posts on Nairaland the article favourable to Iran in New York Times written by Iranian FM and keeps quiet about the one critical of Iran written by the Saudis.
Right?

# First, you do not need to deviate from the topic of your creation. It has nothing to do with articles favorable to Iran or Saudi.

# Second, my replies so far remain within the boundaries of the topic. Are you trying to run away from your topic and deviate to Iranian-Saudiyah political fracas?

# Third, you can expect the sentiment from both adherents and lovers of both countries to post articles in support of these respective countries.
Personally I don't usually involve in political fracas. My main interest is theological ideology of Sunni and Shi'i.

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Anyway we did not want to bring the Saudi article here. But Insha Allah we shall now do so

Has anybody brought Iranian articles yet?

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Really? So how come if we do a count on Nairaland alone, we will have at least a ratio 9:1 (Shia/sunni) articles on the atrocities of the other

Absolutely you failed to grasp my replies within the context of my highlighted points vis-a-vis the very topic of this thread.

# You seem to have accused the Shia manhaj, the Shia populace of a crime committed by a Shi'i emperor.

# My replies are strictly based on this: Many personalities have committed worse (in the past till present) in the name of "Sunni". Should we accuse Sunni manhaj and all Sunni of these crimes?

# My answer is No. And you want yours to be Yes. This is what I called "Hypocrisy".

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I will like to mention that there is no mention of masoom in that hadith. It is your own insertion. I am pointing it out because of your concept of masoom refers to infallibility which your Imams possess which we dispute.

Yes, we agree that the Prophet does not make mistake with regard to the religion. But he can in matters of this world

So, it says
It was narrated from Abu Saeed tht the Messenger of Allah said:
"Allah never sends a prophet or appoints a Khalifah but he has two groups of advisers: A group that tells him to do good and a group that tells him to do evil and urges him to do it. And the one who is truly protected is the one who is protected by Allah, the Mighty and Sublime

@underline. Don't be hyperactive man. The salafi link to that hadith is posted for you to peruse. Don't you know how to read Arabic even if you don't understand? Kindly check it out and in sha Allah you will find the word "masoom" in the Arabic text.

# And what an excellent meaning given to it! Masoom - someone protected by Allah.

# Posting Arabic text usually attract antis pam bot ban here. That's why I stay away from it.

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Please prove it!

In sha Allah we shall do that soonest. However, do you understand what Mutawatir hadith means?

# In sha Allah, I will give you 7 - 10 different Sahabah that reported this hadith from Sunni sources. This number(s) is more than enough to prove Tawattur.

# And In sha Allah, I will give you same number from Shi'i source.

[size=14pt]'Ali ibn Abi Talib and his Shi'ah In Sunni Narrations[/size]

1. Report of 'Ali ibn Abi Talib

# Imam Ibn Asakir documents:

Abū al-Ḥasan b. Qubays and Abū Manṣūr b. Zurayq – Abū Bakr alKhaṭīb – al-Ḥasan b. Abī Ṭālib – Aḥmad b. Ibrāhīm – Ṣāliḥ b. Aḥmad b. Yūnus al-Bazzāz – ‘Iṣām b. al-Ḥakam al-‘Ikbarī – Jamī’ b. ‘Umar al-Baṣrī – Sawār – Muḥammad b. Jaḥādah – al-Sha’bī – ‘Alī:

The Messenger of Allāh, peace be upon him, said to me: “You and your Shī’ah will be in Paradise.”

Source: Abū al-Qāsim ‘Alī b. al-Ḥasan b. Habat Allāh: Ibn ‘Asākir, Tārīkh Dimashq (Dār al-Fikr; 1415 H) [annotator: ‘Amr b. Gharāmah al-‘Amrawī], vol. 42, pp. 331-332


# Imam Ibn Asakir also records:

Abu al-‘Ala Sa’id b. Abi al-Faḍl b. Abi ‘Uthman al-Malini – Abu Muhammad ‘Abd Allah b. Abi Bakr b. Ahmad al-Saqti – Abu al-Faḍl Muhammad b. Ahmad b. Muhammad b. al-Jarud al-Hafiz – Abu Muhammad b. Ja’far b. Muhammad b. Ahmad b. Muhammad, better known as Ibn al-Matim the Scribe – Abu Muhammad al-Qasim b. Ja’far b. Muhammad b. ‘Abd Allah b. Muhammad b. ‘Umar b. ‘Ali b. Abi Talib – my father Ja’far b. Muhammad – his father Muhammad b. ‘Abd Allah – ‘Abu ‘Abd Allah Ja’far b. Muhammad al-Sadiq – Muhammad b. ‘Ali al-Baqir – his father ‘Ali b. al-Husayn – his father al-Husayn b. ‘Ali – his father, Amir al-Muminin ‘Ali b. Abi Talib:

… The Messenger of Allah, peace be upon him, said, “O ‘Ali! They are the believers in your wilayah and your Shi’ah and lovers. They love you on account of their love for me, and they love me on account of their love for Allah. They will be the successful ones on the Day of al-Qiyamah.”

Source: Abū al-Qāsim ‘Alī b. al-Ḥasan b. Habat Allāh: Ibn ‘Asākir, Tārīkh Dimashq (Dār al-Fikr; 1415 H) [annotator: ‘Amr b. Gharāmah al-‘Amrawī], vol. 42, p. 332

# Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal too records:

Muhammad b. Yunus – ‘Ubayd Allah b. ‘Aishah – Isma’il b. ‘Amr – ‘Umar b. Musa – ‘ Zayd b. ‘Ali b. Husayn – his father – his grandfather – ‘Ali b. Abi Talib:

I complained to the Messenger of Allah, peace be upon him, about the animosity of the people towards me. He said, “Are you not pleased that you are one of the first four people to enter Paradise: I, you, al-Hasan and al-Husayn, and our wives will be at our right and left sides, and our descendants will be behind our wives, and our Shi’ah will be behind us (all)?”

Source: Abū ‘Abd Allāh Aḥmad b. Ḥanbal, Kitāb Faḍāil al-Ṣaḥābah (Jeddah: Dār al-‘Ilm li al-Ṭabā’ah wa al-Nashr; 1st edition, 1403 H) [annotator: Waṣiyyullāh b. Muḥammad ‘Abbās], vol. 2, p. 624, # 1068

2. Report of Fatima:

Imām al-Ajurrī (d. 360 H) reports:

Abū Ja’far Muḥammad b. al-Ḥasan al-Kūfī al-Ashnānī – Ismā’īl b. Isḥāq b. Rāshid – Yaḥyā b. Sālim – Ziyād b. al-Mundhir – Abū al-Jaḥḥāf – ‘Umar b. ‘Alī b. al-Ḥusayn – Zaynab bint ‘Alī – Fāṭimah, may Allāh be pleased with her, the daughter of Muḥammad, peace be upon him:

‘Alī, may Allāh be pleased with him, came to the Messenger of Allāh, while the latter was sitting. Then, he said, “Have glad tidings. Verily, you and your Shī’ah will be in Paradise. Surely, you and your Shī’ah will be in Paradise.”

Source: Abū Bakr Muḥammad b. al-Ḥusayn al-Ajurrī, al-Sharī’ah (Muasassat Qurṭubah; 1st edition, 1417 H) [annotators: ‘Abd al-Qādir al-Arnāūṭ and Dr. ‘Āṣim b. ‘Abd Allāh al-Qaryūtī], vol. 3, p. 556, # 2060

3. Report of al-Ḥusayn b. ‘Alī

Imām al-Muwaffiq al-Khawārazmī al-Ḥanafī (d. 568 H):

Imām al-Ḥāfiẓ Ṣadr al-Ḥuffāẓ Abū al-‘Alā al-Ḥasan b. Aḥmad al-‘Aṭṭār and the great Imām, Najm al-Dīn Abū Manṣūr Muḥammad b. al-Ḥusayn b. Muḥammad al-Baghdādī – the great honourable one, Imām Nūr alHudā Abū Ṭālib al-Ḥusayn b. Muḥammad b. ‘Alī al-Zaynabī – Imām Muḥammad b. Aḥmad b. [‘Alī b. al-Ḥasan b.] Shadhān – Aḥmad b. Muḥammad b. Sulaymān – Ja’far b. Muḥammad – Ya’qūb b. Yazīd – Ṣafwān b. Yaḥyā – Dāwud b. al-Ḥusayn – ‘Umar b. Uzaynah – Ja’far b. Muḥammad – his father – ‘Alī b. al-Ḥusayn – his father (al-Ḥusayn b. ‘Alī):

The Messenger of Allāh, peace be upon him and his family, said: “O ‘Alī! Your similitude in my Ummah is the similitude of al-Masīḥ ‘Īsā b. Maryam. His people were divided into three groups: the group of the mūminūn, and they were the Ḥawāriyūn; and the group of his enemies, and they were the Jews; and the group of those who exaggerated concerning him and thereby left īmān. Verily, my Ummah will soon be divided, concerning you, into three groups: the group of your Shī’ah, and they are the mūminūn; and the group of your enemies, and they are the oath-breakers; and the group of those who will exaggerate concerning you, and they are the foremost disbelievers. So, you, O ‘Alī, and your Shī’ah will be in Paradise. The lovers of your Shī’ah will also be in Paradise. And your enemies and those who exaggerate about you will be in Hellfire."

Source: Al-Muwaffiq b. Aḥmad b. Muḥammad al-Makkī al-Khawārazmī, al-Manāqib (Qum: Muasassat al-Nashr al-Islāmī; 2nd edition, 1411 H) [annotator: Shaykh Mālik Maḥmūdī], p. 317, # 318


4. Report of Umm Salamah

# Imam al-Tabarani documents:

Muḥammad b. Ja’far – al-Faḍl b. Ghānim – Sawār b. Muṣ’ab – ‘Aṭiyyah al-‘Awfī – Abū Sa’īd al-Khudrī – Umm Salamah:

It was my night, and the Prophet, peace be upon him, was with me. Then, Fāṭimah came to him. But, ‘Alī had earlier came. So, the Prophet, peace be upon him, said to him, “O ‘Alī, you and your companions will be in Paradise. You and your Shī’ah will be in Paradise."

Source: Abū al-Qāsim Sulaymān b. Aḥmad al-Ṭabarānī, al-Mu’jam al-Awsat (Cairo: Dār al-Ḥaramayn; 1415 H) [annotators: Abū Mu’ādh Ṭāriq b. ‘Awaḍ Allāh b. Muḥammad and ‘Abd al-Muḥsin b. Ibrāhīm al-Ḥusaynī], vol. 6, pp. 354-355, # 6605


# Imam Ahmad gives similar report:

Ibrāhīm b. Sharīk – ‘Uqbah b. Mukram al-Ḍabī – Yūnus b. Bukayr – alSawār b. Muṣ’ab – Abū al-Jahhāf – Abū Mukram ‘Uqbah – Muḥammad b. ‘Amr – Fāṭimah al-Kubrā – Umm Salamah:

The Prophet, peace be upon him, was with me on my night when Fāṭimah and ‘Alī visited him. So, the Messenger of Allāh, peace be upon him, said, “O ‘Alī, be happy, because you and your companions and your Shī’ah will be in Paradise"

Source: Abū ‘Abd Allāh Aḥmad b. Ḥanbal, Kitāb Faḍāil al-Ṣaḥābah (Jeddah: Dār al-‘Ilm li al-Ṭabā’ah wa al-Nashr; 1st edition, 1403 H) [annotator: Waṣiyyullāh b. Muḥammad ‘Abbās], vol. 2, p. 654, # 1115


5. Report of Jābir b. ‘Abd Allāh al-Anṣārī

Ibn Asākir documents:

Abū al-Qāsim b. al-Samarqandī – ‘Āṣim b. al-Ḥasan – Abū ‘Umar b. Mahdī – Abū al-‘Abbās b. ‘Uqdah – Muḥammad b. Aḥmad b. al-Ḥasan al-Qaṭwānī – Ibrāhīm b. Anas al-Anṣārī – Ibrāhīm b. Ja’far b. ‘Abd Allāh b. Muḥammad b. Maslamah – Abū al-Zubayr – Jābir b. ‘Abd Allāh:

We were with the Prophet, peace be upon him, when ‘Ali b. Abī Ṭālib came. So, the Prophet, peace be upon him, said, “My brother has come to you.” Then, he turned to the Ka’bah and tap it with his hand. Then, he said, “I swear by the One in Whose Hand my life is, verily, this one and his Shī’ah, they surely are the successful ones on the Day of alQiyāmah

Source: Abū al-Qāsim ‘Alī b. al-Ḥasan b. Habat Allāh: Ibn ‘Asākir, Tārīkh Dimashq (Dār al-Fikr; 1415 H) [annotator: ‘Amr b. Gharāmah al-‘Amrawī], vol. 42, p. 371


6. Report of Abū Rāfi’

Al-Ṭabarānī reports:

Aḥmad b. al-‘Abbās al-Mirrī al-Qanṭarī – Ḥarb b. al-Ḥasan al-Ṭaḥān – Yaḥyā b. Ya’lā – Muḥammad b. ‘Ubayd Allāh b. Abī Rāfi’ – his father (‘Ubayd Allāh) – his grandfather (Abū Rāfi’):

The Prophet, peace be upon him, said to ‘Alī: “You and your Shī’ah will meet me at the Lake-Fount. You will be given water, and your faces will be bright. As for your enemies, they will meet me, thirsty, evil-looking

Source: Abū al-Qāsim Sulaymān b. Aḥmad al-Ṭabarānī, al-Mu’jam al-Kabīr (Cairo: Maktabat Ibn Taymiyyah; 2nd edition) [annotator: Ḥamdī b. ‘Abd al-Majīd al-Salafī], vol. 1, p. 319, # 948


7. Report of Ibn ‘Abbās

Al-Ḥāfiẓ Ibn Maghāzilī (d. 483 H):

Abū Ṭālib Muḥammad b. Aḥmad b. ‘Uthmān b. al-Faraj b. al-Azhar alṢayrafī al-Baghdādī – Abū Bakr Muḥammad b. al-Ḥasan b. Sulaymān – ‘Abd Allāh b. Muḥammad b. ‘Abd Allāh al-‘Ikbarī – Abū al-Qāsim ‘Abd Allāh b. ‘Atāb al-‘Abdī – ‘Umar b. Shabah b. ‘Ubaydah al-Numayrī – alMadāinī: Muḥammad b. al-Ḥasan – ‘Abd Allāh b. Muḥammad b. ‘Abd Allāh al‘Ikbarī – ‘Abd Allāh b. ‘Atāb b. Muḥammad – al-Ḥasan b. ‘Arafat – Abū Mu’āwiyah – al-A’mash: Muḥammad b. al-Ḥasan – ‘Abd Allāh b. Muḥammad b. ‘Abd Allāh al‘Ikbarī - ‘Abd Allāh b. ‘Atāb b. Muḥammad al-‘Abdī – Aḥmad b. ‘Alī al‘Amī – Ibrāhīm b. al-Ḥakam – Sulaymān b. Sālim – al-A’mash: Abū Ja’far al-Manṣūr – my father (Muḥammad) – my grandfather (‘Alī) – his father (‘Abd Allāh b. ‘Abbās):

We were with the Messenger of Allāh, peace be upon him … and the Prophet, peace be upon him, said …: “O Fāṭimah! Verily, ‘Alī and his Shī’ah will be the successful ones tomorrow."

Source: Abū al-Ḥasan ‘Alī b. Muḥammad al-Wāsiṭī: Ibn al-Maghāzilī, Manāqib Amīr al-Mūminīn ‘Alī b. Abī Ṭālib (Sana: Dār al-Āthār; 1st edition, 1424 H) [annotator: Abū ‘Abd al-Raḥman Turkī b. ‘Abd Allāh al-Wādi’ī], pp. 197-204, # 188


8. Reports of Abd al-Rahman ibn Awf

Ibn Asakir:

Abū al-Qāsim b. al-Samarqandī – Ismā’īl b. Mas’adah – Ḥamzah b. Yūsuf – Abū Aḥmad b. ‘Adī – ‘Umar b. Sinān – al-Ḥasan b. ‘Alī Abū ‘Abd alGhanī al-Azdī – ‘Abd al-Razzāq – his father – Maynā b. Abī Maynā, freed slave of ‘Abd al-Raḥman b. ‘Awf – ‘Abd al-Raḥman b. ‘Awf:

Would you not ask me before the aḥādīth become corrupted with fabrications. The Messenger of Allāh, peace be upon him, said: “I am the Tree and Fāṭimah is its root or branch. ‘Alī is its flower, and al-Ḥasan and al-Ḥusayn are its fruits, and our Shī’ah are its leaves. The root of the Tree is in Paradise of Eden, and the root, the branch, the flower, the leaves and the fruits will (all) be in Paradise."

Source: Abū al-Qāsim ‘Alī b. al-Ḥasan b. Habat Allāh: Ibn ‘Asākir, Tārīkh Dimashq (Dār al-Fikr; 1415 H) [annotator: ‘Amr b. Gharāmah al-‘Amrawī], vol. 14, p. 168


9. Report of Abū Hurayrah

Al-Ṭabarānī reports:

Muḥammad b. Mūsā – al-Ḥasan b. Kathīr – Salamī b. ‘Uqbah al-Ḥanafī al-Yamāmī – ‘Ikrimah b. ‘Ammār – Yaḥyā b. Abī Kathīr – Abū Salamah – Abū Hurayrah:

‘Alī b. Abī Ṭālib said, “O Messenger of Allāh! Who is more beloved to you: I or Fāṭimah?” He said, “Fāṭimah is more beloved to me than you. But, you are more honourable to me than her. It is as though I will be with you, and you will be at my Lake-Fount, chasing people away from it. Upon it are pitchers, similar in number to that of the stars in the sky. I, you, al-Ḥasan, al-Ḥusayn, Fāṭimah, ‘Aqīl and Ja’far will be brothers in Paradise, on thrones facing each another. You and your Shī’ah will be with me in Paradise.” Then, the Messenger of Allāh, peace be upon him, recited: “{(they will be) brothers on thrones facing each other} [Qur’ān 15:47]. None of them will look at the back of the other."

Source: Abū al-Qāsim Sulaymān b. Aḥmad al-Ṭabarānī, al-Mu’jam al-Awsat (Cairo: Dār al-Ḥaramayn; 1415 H) [annotators: Abū Mu’ādh Ṭāriq b. ‘Awaḍ Allāh b. Muḥammad and ‘Abd al-Muḥsin b. Ibrāhīm al-Ḥusaynī], vol. 7, p. 343, # 7675.

10. Report of Ibn ‘Umar

Imam al-Tha’labī (d. 467 H) documents:

Al-Ḥusayn b. Muḥammad – Abū Ḥudhayfah Aḥmad b. Muḥammad b. ‘Alī – Zakariyyā b. Yaḥyā b. Ya’qūb al-Maqdisī – my father – Abū al‘Awwām Aḥmad b. Yazīd al-Dībājī – al-Madanī – Zayd – Ibn ‘Umar:

The Prophet, peace be upon him, said to ‘Alī: “O ‘Alī! You will be in Paradise, and your Shī’ah (too) will be in Paradise."

Source: Abū Isḥāq Aḥmad b. Muḥammad b. Ibrāhīm al-Tha’labī al-Naysābūrī, al-Kashf wa al-Bayān (Beirut: Dār Iḥyā al-Turāth al-‘Arabī; 1st edition, 1422 H) [annotators: Imām Abū Muḥammad b. ‘Āshūr and Prof. Naẓīr al-Sā’idī], vol. 9, p. 67

BetaThings:


Please prove it!

NOTE: What I have submitted are far more than the requirements of proving Tawattur of hadith by the standard of any ultra strict Muhaddith. Ten ahadith from different Sahabah is absolutely more than enough. If you however need more, In sha Allah you will be flooded.

# Do you need similar narrations from Shi'i sources?

1. Allah warns muslims not to be shias and be contented with shias they have picked:

Evidence:
“…and be not amongst those who join gods with Allah, those who split up their Religion, and become shias (sects) - each party rejoicing in that which is with itself.” (Quran, 30:31-32)



2. Ali warns Muslims not be shias and calls for the killing of those who claim to be under his banner:

Nahjul Balagha, Sermon 126

Ali says:

“With regard to me, two categories of people will be ruined, namely he who loves me too much and the love takes him away from rightfulness, and he who hates me too much and the hatred takes him away from rightfulness. [size=18pt]The best man with regard to me is he who is on the middle course. So be with him and be with the great majority of Muslims because Allah’s hand of protection is on keeping unity.[/size] You should beware of [size=18pt]division because the one isolated from the group is a prey to Satan just as the one isolated from the flock of sheep is a prey to the wolf. Beware! Whoever calls to this course [of sectarianism], kill him, even though he may be under this headband of mine.”[/size]

(Source: Al-Islam.org, http://www.al-islam.org/nahjul/126.htm)

Notice how the they will ignore the Qur'an and the words of the man they claim to follow just to maintain the ignoble path they have chosen. Ali r.a is in essence warning of following a sectarian path even if you claim you are his follower.

vedaxcool:
1. Allah warns muslims not to be shias and be contented with shias they have picked:

Evidence:
“…and be not amongst those who join gods with Allah, those who split up their Religion, and become shias (sects) - each party rejoicing in that which is with itself.” (Quran, 30:31-32)

Obviously your concern is on the word "Shi'a". Kindly open your Quran and let's study it together:

THE WORD "SHI'A" IN THE QURAN

"Say: “He possesses the power to send you punishment from above your heads or from beneath your feet, or to confuse you into becoming shiya’ and make you taste one another’s violence.” Look how We vary the Signs so that hopefully they will understand." {[Quran 6:65]}


Shiya’ is the plural of shī’ah. It must be noted that shī’ah itself is a collective noun, and it means – within the religious context – “a group of adherents.”

So, shiya’ refers to several different religious groups. This is why it is often translated as “sects” in the above āyah.

There is another verse which actually proves that it indeed means that:

"As for those who divide up their religion and form into shiya’, you have nothing whatsoever to do with them. Their affair will go back to Allāh and then He will inform them about what they did."
{[Qur’ān 6:159]}

And this is a similar one:

"Those who divide up their religion, and form into shiya’, each faction exulting in what they have."{[Qur’ān 30:32]}

These verses prove that every single sect of Islām, or of any other religion, is a shī’ah. That is the name given to each by Allāh.


ADHERENTS OF EVERY RELIGION ARE SHI'AH

# Moreover, the adherents of every single religion are likewise a shī’ah:

"We sent Messengers before you among the shiya’ of previous peoples" {[Qur’ān 15:10]}


1. "And indeed, Ibrāhīm was one of his Shī’ah" {[Quran 37:83]}

Imām al-Ḥākim documents concerning this verse:

Abū Sa’īd Aḥmad b. Ya’qūb al-Thaqafī – al-Ḥasan b. al-Muthannā al‘Anbarī – Abū Ḥudhayfah – Shibl b. ‘Abbād – Ibn Abī Najīḥ – Mujāhid:

Concerning His Words, the Almighty, the Most Glorious: {And indeed, Ibrāhīm was one of his Shī’ah}, Ibn ‘Abbās, may Allāh be pleased with them both, said: “From the Shī’ah of Nūḥ, upon his religious principles and his Sunnah."

Al-Ḥākim comments:

This ḥadīth is ṣaḥīḥ upon the standard of the two Shaykhs

And Imām al-Dhahabī agrees:
Upon (the standard of) al-Bukhārī and Muslim

Source: Abū ‘Abd Allāh Muḥammad b. ‘Abd Allāh al-Ḥākim al-Naysābūrī, al-Mustadrak ‘alā alṢaḥīḥayn (Beirut: Dār al-Kutub al-’Ilmiyyah; 1st edition, 1411 H) [annotator: Muṣtafā ‘Abd alQādir ‘Aṭā], vol. 2, p. 468, # 3612

2. "[One day] he entered the city at a time when its people dwelt in distraction. He found there two men fighting, this one from among his Shī’ah, and that one from his enemies. The one who was from his Shī’ah sought his help against him who was from his enemies. So Mūsā hit him with his fist, whereupon he expired. He said, ‘This is of Satan’s doing. Indeed he is an enemy, manifestly misguiding.’
{[Qur’ān 28:15]}

Imām al-Nasafī (d. 710 H) gives this exegesis of this āyah:

{He found there two men fighting, this one from among his Shī’ah} from those who followed him in his religion from Banū Isrāīl

Source: Abū al-Barakāt ‘Abd Allāh b. Aḥmad b. Maḥmūd al-Nasafī, Madārik al-Tanzīl wa Ḥaqāiq al-Tawīl (Beirut: Dār al-Kalam al-Ṭayyib; 1st edition, 1419 H) [annotator: Yūsuf ‘Alī Badyawī], vol. 2, p. 633

vedaxcool:

2. Ali warns Muslims not be shias and calls for the killing of those who claim to be under his banner:

So much of your misinterpretations.

# Imam Ali alayhi salam can only warn against forming or joining "bad shi'a".

# We have established the meaning of Shia in the Quran, both Good and Bad. Even Previous Prophets were Shia of their predecessors.

# We have also established mutawatir ahadith on Shiat Ali.

Did Imam Ali not aware of these two highlighted facts from the Quran and Sunnah or are you accusing your Prophet of saying those hadith about Shiat Ali?

vedaxcool:

Nahjul Balagha, Sermon 126

Ali says:
[b]
“With regard to me, two categories of people will be ruined, namely he who loves me too much and the love takes him away from rightfulness, and he who hates me too much and the hatred takes him away from rightfulness. [size=18pt]The best man with regard to me is he who is on the middle course. So be with him and be with the great majority of Muslims because Allah’s hand of protection is on keeping unity. ...

# In this saying of Imam, he warned against two set of people regarding him:

First, extreme lovers who took him for something else e.g those who took him for prophet or god

Second, the Nawasibs - haters (hidden, mild, extreme)

However the ones described by Nabi in the mutawattir ahadith we submitted are the true shiat of Ali.

vedaxcool:

Nahjul Balagha, Sermon 126

"...You should beware of division because the one isolated from the group is a prey to Satan just as the one isolated from the flock of sheep is a prey to the wolf. Beware! Whoever calls to this course [of sectarianism], kill him, even though he may be under this headband of mine.”[/b]

(Source: Al-Islam.org, http://www.al-islam.org/nahjul/126.htm)

# Do you remember Mu'awiyah ibn Abi Sufyan who established a "Shia" that divided the Muslim Ummah and established the fitnah of cursing Ali? This same "Shi'a of Mu'awiyah" are the ones among many that Imam Ali talks about in the hadith.

# The Khawarij were another

vedaxcool:

Notice how the they will ignore the Qur'an and the words of the man they claim to follow just to maintain the ignoble path they have chosen. Ali r.a is in essence warning of following a sectarian path even if you claim you are his follower.

# We have established the meaning and interpretations of the word "Shi'a" in the holy Quran. Do you admit what we have established? If yes, then how can you accused us of ignoring the book of Allah?

# We have established mutawatir ahadith from your books about Shia of Ali. What is Shia of Ali according to your Ulama (hope you will know)? We are Shia of Ali. Are you?

# You have submitted absolutely nothing as per your claim that Imam Ali warned against "Shia".

BetaThings:


Lying is 90% of the creed of Shia
So they deny everything

And no shia worthy of his creed with REFRAIN from cursing and name calling!
When he is not calling people names, he must be in taqiyya (deception) mode

90% ke, if I hear!!!! 100% abeg!!! Even if one truth dey their creed which I ever doubt, na still tricky business! Shia are worthless infidels! HYPOCRITES of the highest order! Did you know a shia will easily deny been a shia for a meagre some of money o, and the likes...twofaced scums!

RABIUSHILE04:


90% ke, if I hear!!!! 100% abeg!!! Even if one truth dey their creed which I ever doubt, na still tricky business! Shia are worthless infidels! HYPOCRITES of the highest order! Did you know a shia will easily deny been a shia for a meargre some of money o, and the likes...twofaced scums!

# Whao! Are you really sure of this?

# If yes, then that has affected all the Sahabah that were Shi'a. Oh sorry! Rafidha (i.e extreme Shia)

# And it has also affected all the Rafidha narrators in sahih Bukhari and sahih Muslim.

# Now you are at cross road talking ill of the Sahabah and making nonsense of your prestigious books of ahadith.

AlBaqir:


# Whao! Are you really sure of this?

# If yes, then that has affected all the Sahabah that were Shi'a. Oh sorry! Rafidha (i.e extreme Shia)

# And it has also affected all the Rafidha narrators in sahih Bukhari and sahih Muslim.

# Now you are at cross road talking ill of the Sahabah and making nonsense of your prestigious books of ahadith.

Same style everytime, it is known that shia creed deals with cursing of the sahaba, don't turn tables here!!! May allaah guide whomever he wills from shia aright back to Islam and not let us deviate from the real Islam as MUSLIMs...ameen.

RABIUSHILE04:


Same style everytime, it is known that shia creed deals with cursing of the sahaba, don't turn tables here!!! May allaah guide whomever he wills from shia aright back to Islam and not let us deviate from the real Islam as MUSLIMs...ameen.

Obviously you have absolutely nothing good to offer. Intellectual discourse, good exhortation, wisdom and sound manners as Quran commands in dialogue (even with kuffar) are far away from you. Propaganda, false accusations, bad manners etc are your ways. Am sorry my world and yours are far apart.

# May Allah cure you of your diseases.