Danhumprey:

As regards the Liverpool vs Man United match....... The key word here is CURRENT FORM ..........and I'm sure none of you here will honestly have been expecting this current team to beat Liverpool,irrespective of how much it was assembled. Because based on current form, Man United wasn't a real match for Liverpool. There's no team cohesion yet, the attack seemed to have gone blunt as of recent.

You know City has not drawn or lost a game in England until they faced Spurs and that didnt make Spurs park the bus either. You either have it or you dont.

donjazet:


Whew!! Who could have thought you would finally say that?
I guess my point is made.

Your point made bawo?

You know how many arguments I've had with nateevs over Jose?

But this time I agree with him hoha. That liverpool game was a disgrace.

donjazet:

Mancity were much more settled and balanced before pep came. What they lacked was just the consistency. Read the daily mail article above. A poll was carried out after the match for the fans to say how they felt and a whooping 82% felt satisfied.
Listen, I really don't know what you guys are really trying to Say. Mou is one of the best coaches in the world. For forks sake, he has the highest trophy count amongst all the coaches. He doesn't have anything to prove. His last league was won at almost a canter with an almost average team. That'has got to count, don't you think?

A team that was built around Yaya Toure was more settled and balanced before Pep came in? Pray tell, where is Yaya in that same team now? How about the revamping of Silva's position by Pep?

nateevs:



It looks like this point gets completely overlooked. Can you prove to me beyond reasonable doubt that if united went out to attack Liverpool, they SURELY would have lost the game? Please oblige me.

Don't forget that as we have stated earlier Mata, Mhkitaryan, Rashford, Rooney, Ibra, Pogba will walk into the Liverpool side. Unless you are disagreeing with this also.

No one can argue that this players can walk into the Liverpool squad based on individual quality and CURRENT FORM. Please, remove Rooney.


The tactics is what matters and Mourinho hasn't yet stumbled on a good tactic to get the best out of this current squad, but he remembered a tactics of his, and he chose to deploy it. The tactic got his desired result,the fans and club are not complaining much. Then what are you people complaining about?

Danhumprey:
No one can argue that this players can walk into the Liverpool squad based on individual quality and CURRENT FORM. Please, remove Rooney.


The tactics is what matters and Mourinho hasn't yet stumbled on a good tactic to get the best out of this current squad, but he remembered a tactics of his, and he chose to deploy it. The tactic got his desired result,the fans and club are not complaining much. Then what are you people complaining about?

Because they wanted Liverpool to beat utd and score like 3 goals each half.
They hate Utd and they hate mourinho even more.

Nihilstjnr:


And you chopped it....and so the fear of losing kicked in, and the result was this:

www.nairaland.com/attachments/4370874_img20161018wa0003_jpegf9561e29bfab213159f77cd06595d35d

200m in one summer to do this...against Liverpool of all teams?

Even Conte as much as I don't rate him showed a bit more ambition.

Using just one match to judge Mourinho and quoting a near ridiculous transfer fee just to ridicule him?


Now, I know you're not serious.

Danhumprey:
Using just one match to judge Mourinho and quoting a near ridiculous transfer fee just to ridicule him?
Now, I know you're not serious.

One match you say wha about the game vs City

I heard vs Liverpool Man Utd had 6 touches in Liverpool penalty box the entire 90mins. Mourinho will be soo proud of that

Nihilstjnr:


Because even in previous games where Jose had parked the bus, he had never been this negative.

When they told him at the press conference how he felt about managing only 35% possession in the game, he ran to your inhouse statistician to conjure another number.

Even Jose was so ashamed of that display that he came back to dispute the possession stats.

Possession stat or not - he has achieved his primary aim & we like am like that

Nihilstjnr:

Because it's one thing to camp and bunker at a club like Chelsea with relatively smaller pedigree in world football. It's another thing to do it at the biggest club in Europe immediately after signing the most expensive player in the world.

This is exactly one of the reasons why I said ayam not hunderstanding....

In one breathe, you rightfully opined that Mourihno had every right to play for a draw, considering the prevailing circumstances....

In another breathe, you decided to critique his approach to the game.

Baba, lets stick with your 1st point - Away against the Top sides (in form),Mourihno can decide to park the bus & deflate the tyres abeg!!

It is allowed joor!

Nihilstjnr:

Come on Demola. You wouldn't stand for this normally. Christopher Reeves wouldn't sit for this neither

If Mourihno had adopted such an approach at Oldtrafford, I would be screaming for his sack as we speak...

A few days ago (on our thread) , a discussion led to the Manchester derby & i stated that Mourihno was partly at fault for our terrible 1st half performance - IMO, he accorded too much respect to Pep (probably due to his horrible record against the spaniard).

While it was easy for the portugese to blame Lingard & Miki's lethargic performances for the shocking display in the 1st half, the reluctance to press the Etihad boys from the front (which woulda forced the likes of Stones to Hoof it towards midgets like Iheanacho, Silva, Sterling etc) and the decision to sit deep & allow City all the time & space on the ball was more of a tactical goof and the manager has to take responsibility for those.

Prior to the liverpool game, we dropped points against Stoke at home. Tension and pressure was already mounting (albeit codedly). A loss on Monday was sure to create crisis & considering the circumstances (Liverpool's form & the venue), it wasn't out of place if our manager decided to be fixated on avoiding defeat at all costs.

lalaboi:
Somethings i see and i just wonder.

Mourinho is a defensive minded/Counter Attacking kinda coach and you should not expect less. its like expecting a chicken to fly because it has wings. Even being defensive, he has managed to break goal scoring records and points records using the same tactics over the years. What is wrong with it? What is wrong with admitting that you are facing a better team at the moment away from home and decide to play for a point or a win - Punters will call that Double Chance

Its classic Mourinho game plan. He doesn't want to lose the game and that's his first priority and i don't blame him.

Anyone who doesn't believe Liverpool are a stronger side this season or at the moment cant look into the mirror and be truthful about their looks. . whether they are handsome or not

Some people here know very well that Transfer fee does not equate talent but they will talk with the other side of their mouth and say Mou spent millions and that's the best he could come up with.
He is even barely 6months into the Job and people want magic at united. A team that has underachieved since the departure of SAF.

Make una continue.

The Liverpool team may have settled down as one unit than ours but we shouldn't forget that the fulcrum of that unit is the combo of Lallana and Widjanum.. They are the players who makes the gregenpressing work and more so, they are press resistant and their decision making/awareness are on another level compared to their other team mates. No wonder Klopp had to revert back to a 4231 tactic considering that he had to field the sluggish languid Emre Can and his friend, Henderson in the midfield.

Personally, I see no reason why we shouldn't have overrun them but I guess I'll take the draw more than a defeat right now..

raumdeuter:


Against City you created no chance until you were down 2-0 and your chances mainly were from Bravo mistakes.

Haba! Dayo....... ...cunning as usual. What else leads to goal in match? Is it not opponents mistakes? If the two teams try not to make mistakes leading to goals, will there be goals in the match?

Bravo made some mistakes which we duly capitalised on.


Against Stoke City, Degea made a horrible blunder that gifted Stoke City a goal and earn them a draw.

So, what are you saying?

donjazet:


I may be mourinho's fan but that doesn't take away my objectivity, In this case, I argue with logic and facts. Klopp has made Liverpool a formidable opponent now, he has had a year to do that. And Moreso it's not as if Rodgers was abysmal, he almost won the title with Liverpool and made some good signings which Klopp harnesses now in addition to his own signings.

Many manu fans are not too disappointed because they know Liverpool are better gelled right now..

With a team built around Suarez! And a certain Sterling as his combo! Both are not in the team anymore.

But I agree with you that the Liverpool team are more gelled than ours right now..

SIRcumalot:

Because they wanted Liverpool to beat utd and score like 3 goals each half.
They hate Utd and they mourinho even more.

lol.. ...that's not surprising.

raumdeuter:


Are you saying No side can beat Liverpool by attacking them? This is Liverpool oo ordinary Liverpool

I am sure I heard this same argument about how playing defensive was the best option vs City because if he had attacked City he would have lost until Tottenham showed us that they were not really exceptional

You probably would have told us attacking David Moyes Man Utd in that yr too would have led to a loss

If Liverpool and City are these fierce attacking force that you need to line up defensively against like he has done vs Atletico, David Moyes etc in the past. I shiver to imagine the formation he will deploy vs say Barcelona

Their defence is even wacky.. It's the midfield gregenpressing that often compensate for the poor state of their defence. That's why I'm dumbfounded as to why we didn't give it a go, considering the fact that they were missing Wij and Lallana..

raumdeuter:


One match you say wha about the game vs City

I heard vs Liverpool Man Utd had 6 touches in Liverpool penalty box the entire 90mins. Mourinho will be soo proud of that

if the team was already settled and clicked, I bet you Mourinho would have come out attacking and gun-blazing. I can wager you that Mourinho would have set up his team to attack.

Who be Liverpool? On any day, Man United have the upper hand against them,.. ....but CURRENTLY, Liverpool have the upper hand. Let's not kid ourselves.

larride:


We lost against City because of our profligacy in front of goal. Zlatan was just ballooning all the ball into the stand.

That same Liverpool of all teams beat your own attacking team at your home ground.

I repeat I will gladly take that D than a L.

City were also profligate in front of goal. For each shot we missed, they missed twice.

Danhumprey:
Haba! Dayo....... ...cunning as usual. What else leads to goal in match? Is it not opponents mistakes? If the two teams try not to make mistakes leading to goals, will there be goals in the match?
Bravo made some mistakes which we duly capitalised on.
Against Stoke City, Degea made a horrible blunder that gifted Stoke City a goal and earn them a draw.

So, what are you saying?

The errors from Bravo that day were mainly unforced errors, I remember on this forum that day everyone was laughing at Bravo dropping tame crosses trying to play from back and getting caught. These are not due to any major tactics from Manure just Bravo fidgeting

I think vs City you had 40% possesion too only that vs Liverpool you beat that record to 35% possesion

Jose Man Utd Wins, y'all will undermine his effort,some will say the other teams were missing some of their players,or they were woeful blah blah blah and some will wail for one week that his players bailed him out!

Jose and Man Utd Loses, he becomes a tactically inept manager, "I told you Mou was finished", "he has nothing to offer", "he has been found out","lol look at the flops he signed", "Maga United".. they troll till the next week.

Jose and Man Utd Draws; he suddenly becomes too defensive, he has no tactics, he is scared to lose,he now parks the bus.

Truth is no matter the scenario, haters will always hate!!!
I know most are just pained that Man United didn't lose woefully to Liverpool as they must have envisaged in their beautiful minds.

Wail on amigos!

Jose lives to win another day!!!

elrony:
Jose Man Utd Wins, y'all will undermine his effort,some will say the other teams were missing some of their players,or they were woeful blah blah blah and some will wail for one week that his players bailed him out!

Jose and Man Utd Loses, he becomes a tactically inept manager, "I told you Mou was finished", "he has nothing to offer", "he has been found out","lol look at the flops he signed", "Maga United".. they troll till the next week.

Jose and Man Utd Draws; he suddenly becomes too defensive, he has no tactics, he is scared to lose,he now parks the bus.

Truth is no matter the scenario, haters will always hate!!!
I know most are just pained that Man United didn't lose woefully to Liverpool as they must have envisaged in their beautiful minds.

Wail on amigos!

Jose lives to win another day!!!

I'm surprised by how you loved the performance though.

Despite the fact that I like Van gaal, I was furious at how we set up against Liverpool in the Europa cup because one of the reason I like him was his bold tactic against top teams.. The only weakness was our inability to break down the small team due to our lack of pace and little creativity but then, we improved with the introduction of the pacey clinical Rashford and the movement of Lingard in the team but alas! It was too late.

Anyway, I'm already coming to term with Mourinho style of play as long as we're ready to pick up the maximum points against the small teams, especially now that the team not only have Rashford but also, Pogba, Ibra and maybe Mkhi..

Diademk07:


I'm surprised by how you love the performance though.

Despite the fact that I like Van gaal, I was furious by how we set up against Liverpool in the Europa cup because one of the reason I like him is his bold tactic against top teams.. The only weakness is our inability to break down the small team due to our lack of pace and little creativity but then, we improved with the introduction of the clinical pacey Rashford and the movement of Lingard in the team but it was too late.

Anyway, I'm already coming to term with Mourinho style of play as long as we're ready to pick up the maximum point against the small team, especially now that we not only have Rashford but also, Pogba, Ibra and maybe Mkhi..

Nah... it's not about the performance(remember I opted for a win against Loserfools), although I am at peace with the draw,bearing in mind that a loss woulda been spelling something else.

It's just the way some folks are making it seem it's the first time Jose has gone on cautious mode against rivals.

As long as we can be getting maximum points against lower opposition, Mou can move a junk yard to our part of the pitch against any of our rivals till our team Chemistry is good to go!

Wailers should go and quench!!!

After Ibra musta nicked 1 past Mr Bean's Belgian Love child at Stankford Bridge.





We will call in our mechanic department to do the needful

elrony:


Nah... it's not about the performance(remember I opted for a win against Loserfools), although I am at peace with the draw,bearing in mind that a loss woulda been spelling something else.

It's just the way some folks are making it seem it's the first time Jose has gone on cautious mode against rivals.

As long as we can be getting maximum points against lower opposition, Mou can move a junk yard to our part of the pitch against any of our rivals till our team Chemistry is good to go!

Wailers should go and quench!!!

I laugh in chemistry. Dey dere dey wait. Others siddon dey look abi? Others are drilling their teams to play free-flowing attacking football that involves heavy defending from the front. Jose is defending from the back.

raumdeuter:


The errors from Bravo that day were mainly unforced errors, I remember on this forum that day everyone was laughing at Bravo dropping tame crosses trying to play from back and getting caught. These are not due to any major tactics from Manure just Bravo fidgeting

I think vs City you had 40% possesion too only that vs Liverpool you beat that record to 35% possesion

Dayo gan sef! Kini difference? Forced errors or unforced errors, what is the difference? What matters is if the opposing team is smart enough to capitalise on the errors.



SMH.

Arsenal and Chelsea are more than 99% full again, but Stoke top table

Arsenal and Chelsea have filled more than 99% of the capacity of their stadium for every Premier League home fixture this season (they have each played four), but for efficiency Stoke topped the weekly stadium capacity table with just 42 unfilled seats and a stadium capacity of 99.85%.

Eight Premier League teams filled their grounds to more than 90% of capacity, seven of the ten home fixtures being sold out.

Southampton and Middlesbrough, both playing Sunday, were the bottom two teams in the stadium capacity chart accounting for 3,649 and 6,611 unfilled seats respectively. These two clubs are at opposite ends of the country and quite often experience low away support at their grounds.

Middlesbrough hosted Watford for a Sunday lunchtime kick off – a 600 mile round trip for Watford fans. Saints kicked off a couple of hours later against Burnley – a 520 mile round trip Burnley fans who so far this season haven’t managed to fill their own ground yet.

Crystal Palace are now starting to see higher attendances as the team puts behind a poor start to the season. West Brom still have some work to do but are consistently over 90% of their stadium capacity.

Insideworldfootball figures are based on the official ground capacities and the reported attendances. They do not take account any stadium reductions for seat kills due to safety or media requirements.

http://www.insideworldfootball.com/2016/10/18/arsenal-chelsea-99-full-stoke-top-table/

nateevs:


I laugh in chemistry. Dey dere dey wait. Others siddon dey look abi? Others are drilling their teams to play free-flowing attacking football that involves heavy defending from the front. Jose is defending from the back.

If you like laugh in Algebra ... we shall park our trailers whenever we don't have enough petrol for free-flowing attacking football.

See no-headache panadol drinking @ its peak

Chelshit vs Man Utd

We can't wait!!

What about the Southampton game?

What about the bournemouth game?

What about the Northampton game?

What about the Leicester city game?

What about the second half of the Manchester city game?

What about the stoke game?

What about the zorya game?

All I see here is painment, hate and bad belleism

Man united have created the most chances per possession in the league this so what nonsense are you guys spewing here?

When chelsea faced liverpool, y'all were pressed like rumpled clothes even after falling behind in your own fncking stadium, did y'all see the light of day against Arsenal?

Chelsea fans and hypocrisy are like peni.s and condom, so fitting

dopeJemi:


Chelsea fans and hypocrisy are like peni.s and condom, so fitting

You just can't help yourself,can you?

Nihilist:


You just can't help yourself,can you?

You sef, you no dey overlook something?