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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by nateevs(m): 10:50pm On Oct 19, 2016
chic2pimp:


Those same tactics got Him two CL as the underdog. Not saying Jose is perfect. As you know I am firmly in the Pep camp however He needs to change his tactics once in a blue moon. 2-3 games a season is not a lot to ask. He would have gotten Bayern to at least one Finals had He done that.


Perhaps if he thinks like that, Barcelona won't be what they are now. That idea has carried them through almost a decade now.

What's to say he cannot re-create it?

If he can, then it begins with an absolute conviction in a philosophy. You don't park the bus no matter what. You pass the ball.

Once you understand this, you know the loss means nothing in the course of history.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by donjazet(m): 10:52pm On Oct 19, 2016
raumdeuter:


And how many times has the "Not getting hammered epped" you?

Maybe Guardiola will also come today and say he lost because he didnt have 11 men on the field? Not getting hammered I would have expected that will be getting you to CL semis regularly

The not getting hammered is why you probably are out of Europe altogether
I don't know what you're saying. Bar the last 2 years, Chelsea has constantly been in the semis.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by FBS: 10:52pm On Oct 19, 2016
Match was between city vs barca but somehow the argy-bargy is about jose and pep. I love football.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 10:53pm On Oct 19, 2016
chic2pimp:


Those same tactics got Him two CL as the underdog. Not saying Jose is perfect. As you know I am firmly in the Pep camp however He needs to change his tactics once in a blue moon. 2-3 games a season is not a lot to ask. He would have gotten Bayern to at least one Finals had He done that.

These owners didnt want to win as an underdog, they want to win as the top dog, There is a difference between getting 70A and getting 100A.

Inter won Barca won why is Pep Barca still being referred to as one of the greatest of all time and Inter is rarely remembered?

thats why Dimatteo who won CHelseas only CL has been sacked by division 2 Aston Villa and Mourinho has been sacked how many times

These owners see Barcelona and they say, We want a team that can play like Barcelona,

Bayern management watched Barca in 2009 and said we want a team like that here in Munich. How many owners will watch the dross served by Jose after spending half a billion and say yeah I want to spend 500M and want a team that will park the bus vs 10men PSG or Atletico

Despite Pep failure to win the CL with Bayern the management still begged him till the last moment to extend

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nobody: 10:54pm On Oct 19, 2016
When a club doesn't have European football, I guess this is what they do, talk about other clubs European matches.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by pamcode(m): 10:54pm On Oct 19, 2016
Danhumprey:
were you in a cave when the match was played? The match ended 2-1. And if not for our profligacy, we could have equalised and even won the match.


So get your facts right next time. undecided
Yeah all right i made a mistake about the score and funny enough i was actually in an actual cave when that match was been played grin. But my point still stands Anyway, manure didn’t capitalise completely on Bravo's mistakes after all he made like three blunders.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 10:55pm On Oct 19, 2016
donjazet:

I don't know what you're saying. Bar the last 2 years, Chelsea has constantly been in the semis.

2010 second round
2011 quarter final
2013 group stages
2015 second round
2016 second round

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by sinizia: 10:56pm On Oct 19, 2016
bigkesh:


If they play that game 100 times its still gonna go like that....
Even Arsenal did the same at Emirates


You gain soo much confidence with the possession that you leave spaces at the back

And you believe if City had parked the bus, they would've won? I don't believe so. Yes, they got rąped tonight, but i can see a bright future ahead if Pep gets it right. Too much respect given to Barca will earn the opposing team a rout by Barcelona.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by nateevs(m): 10:58pm On Oct 19, 2016
donjazet:

I don't know what you're saying. Bar the last 2 years, Chelsea has constantly been in the semis.

Please don't say that outside. Bar the CL win, we have been poor in the last 6 campaigns
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by pamcode(m): 10:58pm On Oct 19, 2016
donjazet:


Probably an inexperienced one. Did you watch the arsenal game? Ludogorets actually played well. Their passes were very decent, hell!! They actually had more posseion than arsenal!! But what was the final score? The coach rather than sit back and try to catch them on the break, his team tried to attack and used a high line and arsenal use counter finish their life.

That is tactical inflexibility!!
This is not the 1st, 2nd or 3rd time that he has been disgraced in Europe, why doesn't he learn??
To make it worse for them their defence is less pacy than arsenal attackers. Imagine that Ozil 2nd goal that chamberlian assisted.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by donjazet(m): 11:00pm On Oct 19, 2016
nateevs:


Because the team cost £400m.
Haba nateevs!! Wetin be your wahala?? I don't think we should have a problem with the spending so far as there was success which is the most important thing in football. Many teams and coaches have spent a lot of money without getting the necessary result.

Mourinho spent a lot of money at Chelsea, Agreed, but that team lasted Chelsea for a decade!!!! So why the complaints!!!
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by chic2pimp(m): 11:01pm On Oct 19, 2016
raumdeuter:


The reason Pep is the most sought after coach is because of his style of play, City owners didnt get him to park the bus, they got him to help them play and win like Barcelona

I am sure you have heard of coaches winning ugly and getting into trouble with their owners.

I am not necessarily advocating 'park the bus'. However I am all for making them hard to beat. He simply can't recreate what He did with Barca with other teams. Different players i'm afraid.

Let City win the CL first, then tell me the owners will be bothered about the way they went about doing that.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 11:04pm On Oct 19, 2016
donjazet:

Haha nateevs!! Wetin be your wahala?? I don't think we should have a problem with the spending so far as there was success which is the most important thing in football. Many teams and coaches have spent a lot of money without getting the necessary result.

Mourinho spent a lot of money at Chelsea, Agreed, but that team lasted Chelsea for a decade!!!! So why the complaints!!!

In many cases results only isnt it, Rich owners want you to win in style. I am sure you heard how Abramovich had problems with Mourinho winning defensively.

DiMatteo won the CL yet the owner didnt even want to give him a 2yr contract to a coach who just won the teams only CL because he won it ugly with a style no one wants to be associated with

No owner will spend money to have you pay like Stoke City
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Greatihex(m): 11:05pm On Oct 19, 2016
Beautiful football my foot. Look at how pep just disgraced himself. Tomorrow they will be calling him the best Tactician, yet he can't find a way to nullify the players he coached for four years.
When mou will be getting his results, they will be calling it anti-football.
It was not this bad under pellegrini.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 11:05pm On Oct 19, 2016
chic2pimp:
I am not necessarily advocating 'park the bus'. However I am all for making them hard to beat. He simply can't recreate what He did with Barca with other teams. Different players i'm afraid.

Let City win the CL first, then tell me the owners will be bothered about the way they went about doing that.

DiMatteo won Chelseas only CL and Roman didnt even want to give him a 2yr extension
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 11:06pm On Oct 19, 2016
Greatihex:
Beautiful football my foot. Look at how pep just disgraced himself. Tomorrow they will be calling him the best Tactician, yet he can't find a way to nullify the players he coached for four years.
When mou will be getting his results, they will be calling it anti-football.
It was not this bad under pellegrini.

He is really getting that result thats why he is currently 5th in the table and Pep first. Remember both started on 0 points the same day
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 11:08pm On Oct 19, 2016
nateevs:


Because the team cost £400m.

Stop exagerrating. Jose spent £275m in his first spell, some of that on Sheva who Roman signed. That same team carried us 10 years. When you watch old tapes of that team vs Barca and Bayern etc, you will weep for the current Chelsea setup.

How much did the ninny era team cost?

Oya start adding up the cost of Hazard, Willian, Cuadrado, Schurrle, Mata, Torres and co. Get your calculators out.

I heard you say Jose will not stand the test of time. Well I've got news for you, he has already stood the test of time. Jose started winnning with treble with Porto in 2002/2003, and was last seen winning in 2015. I dare you tell me how many of the great managers since you were born till now lasted 13 years at the very top. Is it Arrigo Sachhi? Marcelo Lippi? Van Gaal? Arsene Wenger? Who exactly won relentlessly for 13 years straight? Only SAF and Otmar Hitzfeld have won consistently over a longer period, and largely with one club.

How many top managers in the 90s stayed at the top a decade later? Football changes and rivals adapt tactics so any manager that can win for 13 years at the top is a great manager. Even the Pep Guardiola whose been going for 8 years is planning retirement in 5 years because no be beans to stay energetic with fresh ideas for that long.

So I have news for you. Jose has already stood the test of time. You've been writing the same obituary for him since 2007, yet he has won numerous titles since then, including a 2nd UCL. Quit it!

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by donjazet(m): 11:09pm On Oct 19, 2016
raumdeuter:


2010 second round
2011 quarter final
2013 group stages
2015 second round
2016 second round

Dayo!! Always crafty! I clearly said BAR THELAST TWO years and you still included 2015 and 2016.

2014 semis
2012 WINNERS
2009 semis
2008 runner up
2007 semis
2006 semis

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by donjazet(m): 11:10pm On Oct 19, 2016
Ibime!!!
Fire on!!!
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 11:11pm On Oct 19, 2016
donjazet:


Dayo!! Always crafty! I clearly said BAR THELAST TWO years and you still included 2015 and 2016.

2014 semis
2012 WINNERS
2009 semis
2008 runner up
2007 semis
2006 semis

2010, 2011 2013 were they in the past 2 yrs and you still failed to make the semis, Of course add 2017 to it that your park the bus coach failed to qualify you for top 4
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by donjazet(m): 11:13pm On Oct 19, 2016
sinizia:


And you believe if City had parked the bus, they would've won? I don't believe so. Yes, they got rąped tonight, but i can see a bright future ahead if Pep gets it right. Too much respect given to Barca will earn the opposing team a rout by Barcelona.
The fact that he has been making this mistake an still refuses to change his tactics since simply shows how incorrigible he is. There is no shame in parking the bus against superior opponents.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by chic2pimp(m): 11:15pm On Oct 19, 2016
nateevs:



Perhaps if he thinks like that, Barcelona won't be what they are now. That idea has carried them through almost a decade now.

What's to say he cannot re-create it?

If he can, then it begins with an absolute conviction in a philosophy. You don't park the bus no matter what. You pass the ball.

Once you understand this, you know the loss means nothing in the course of history.

Fair point. However that Barca team was set up perfectly for him to achieve that style of footy. Plus He knew the ins and outs of Barca like the back of his hand.

I'll be the first to put my hands up and admit I was wrong If He does manage to recreate it.

You keep using the term "pack the bus" and I keep saying it doesn't necessarily has to be that. Make them harder to break down is all I ask.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Diademk07: 11:16pm On Oct 19, 2016
donjazet:

Haba nateevs!! Wetin be your wahala?? I don't think we should have a problem with the spending so far as there was success which is the most important thing in football. Many teams and coaches have spent a lot of money without getting the necessary result.

Mourinho spent a lot of money at Chelsea, Agreed, but that team lasted Chelsea for a decade!!!! So why the complaints!!!

Let's see, did he sign Drogba, Lampard, Terry, Cech?
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by sinizia: 11:17pm On Oct 19, 2016
bigkesh:

And when you are a man down against Barca at camp nou every normal being who isn't an extremist like Pep would close the shop and hope to hit on the counter....
That he even came out and allowed Barca a lot of space with a numerical disadvantage shows he is a dunce...

I agree with this. This to me, is Pep's greatest undoing. He made this mistake against Barca with Bayern. At one man down, he refused to lock up. He'd learn how to defend in such occasions though. There's no need to attack Barca when numerically disadvantaged.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by donjazet(m): 11:19pm On Oct 19, 2016
raumdeuter:


2010, 2011 2013 were they in the past 2 yrs and you still failed to make the semis, Of course add 2017 to it that your park the bus coach failed to qualify you for top 4
The quarter finals isn't that bad. And Moreso the recent collapse in the Champions League is a general problem for the English league itself, it's not only Chelsea who have collapsed in Europe recently. I believe that points to an underlying factor generally. Some say the increased intensity, some say the lack of breaks. One can never know. But you must remember that for the last decade, Chelsea has the best European pedigree amongst all epl teams.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by donjazet(m): 11:22pm On Oct 19, 2016
Diademk07:


Let's see, did he sign Drogba, Lampard, Terry, Cech?

He signed Drogba, started using a 22 year old Cech over the older experienced keeper and made Terry the captain at a very young age.
So yes. That team had all the imprints of mourinhos on it.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by sinizia: 11:22pm On Oct 19, 2016
bigkesh:
City's previous meetings against Barca 2-0,2-1,2-1,1-0

If those are hammer,this is Chain saw
Lwkmd. grin grin

I don die. Guy, take it easy on me, it's almost midnight here. grin
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by PietroRico(m): 11:23pm On Oct 19, 2016
So anything thats not gung ho football Is now parking the bus.
It's either you are parking bus or going for All attack.
Issorite

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by chic2pimp(m): 11:28pm On Oct 19, 2016
sinizia:


I agree with this. This to me, is Pep's greatest undoing. He made this mistake against Barca with Bayern. At one man down, he refused to lock up. He'd learn how to defend in such occasions though. There's no need to attack Barca when numerically disadvantaged.

That's the point I have been making all day. Doesn't necessarily has to be 'park the bus'. Pep is a genius as far as the beautiful game is concerned. He just needs to add that to his repertoire.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Diademk07: 11:28pm On Oct 19, 2016
donjazet:


He signed Drogba, started using a 22 year old Cech over the older experienced keeper and made Terry the captain at a very young age.
So yes. That team had all the imprints of mourinhos on it.

Let's agree that he signed Drogba even though Raineri put the plan in place, there's no way he woulda refused to play Abramovich signings which were Cech and Robben. Also, Cech just had a wonderful euro performance and was part of the euro team of the tourny.. Terry was already part of the team..
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by donjazet(m): 11:35pm On Oct 19, 2016
You definitely don't know what you are saying!! Drogba was purely mourinho's signing.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nobody: 11:35pm On Oct 19, 2016
donjazet:


Dayo!! Always crafty! I clearly said BAR THELAST TWO years and you still included 2015 and 2016.

2014 semis
2012 WINNERS
2009 semis
2008 runner up
2007 semis
2006 semis

Apari doesn't have common sense...he will do anything to drive home his senseless points.

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