Ibime:
This Donald Trump speech na wa o.

I have never heard so many lies in Presidential speech before.

Ibime:
This Donald Trump speech na wa o.

I have never heard so many lies in Presidential speech before.

donjazet:


That moment Nateevs throws silent shades and shots and then says let's be civil...

Ibime:


I want to see how he will bring those factory jobs back. Anyway, we live in a post-truth world.

Nihilist:


You should be the one to follow the news. Costa was expected to leave and Lukaku was the subject of a confirmed 55 million pound bid that Everton turned down.

Infact some papers reported that we went in again with an offer over 60m that was rejected.

Conte wants Lukaku. I will be more surprised if we DON'T sign him this summer.

Griffon:
Nateevs and Nihilist, I don't know what your definitions of managerial brilliance are, but I personally think it is doing the right thing and getting results with a 'less perfect' team.

What makes you guys think an astute gaffer can't win the league with the current Citeh side? That team is the best in the country and some bald ninja somehow thinks those boys don't fit into his philosophy. If Pep can't mount a serious title challenge with the current Citeh side, then he's simply tactically inept and definitely over-rated.

Managerial brilliance has it that you must get results with that not-too-perfect team at your disposal. And that can be actualized by creating a setup they would thrive in, a system that would suit them. You should know when to park the bus and lock up. You should know when to go all out. You should know when to drop the ball and dominate play. You should just know when to do the right thing. That is managerial brilliance defined.

Conte is doing it with Chelsea having faltered with his first approach. Mourinho has done it at a lot of places (Porto 04 being the biggest). Carlo showed that class with Chelsea years ago, switching from a 4-3-3 to a diamond formation etc. Fergie achieved success at United playing different styles. Wenger was tactically on point in 2002.

These managers share two things in common; tactical flexibility and a winning philosophy. Those are the traits that differentiates them from Guardiola. Unlike the latter, these managers would succeed anywhere b'cos they create systems that suits what they have. It is the only philosophy they know not some tiki-taka balderdash.

Pep's decision to acquire an eleven that fits his ideology isn't a masterstroke. It is a no brainer what the move is really all about, he's simply showing once again how limited he is.

Where Nateevs and I differ is on the idea that short term failures are not seen to be too significant. I suspect that City are also prepared to go through the list of ex-Barca managers to get what they want if Pep doesn't sort things out very soon. I wont be surprised if Mansour goes to exhume Vilanova next sef.

Griffon:
Nateevs and Nihilist, I don't know what your definitions of managerial brilliance are, but I personally think it is doing the right thing and getting results with a 'less perfect' team.

What makes you guys think an astute gaffer can't win the league with the current Citeh side? That team is the best in the country and some bald ninja somehow thinks those boys don't fit into his philosophy. If Pep can't mount a serious title challenge with the current Citeh side, then he's simply tactically inept and definitely over-rated.

Managerial brilliance has it that you must get results with that not-too-perfect team at your disposal. And that can be actualized by creating a setup they would thrive in, a system that would suit them. You should know when to park the bus and lock up. You should know when to go all out. You should know when to drop the ball and dominate play. You should just know when to do the right thing. That is managerial brilliance defined.

Conte is doing it with Chelsea having faltered with his first approach. Mourinho has done it at a lot of places (Porto 04 being the biggest). Carlo showed that class with Chelsea years ago, switching from a 4-3-3 to a diamond formation etc. Fergie achieved success at United playing different styles. Wenger was tactically on point in 2002.

These managers share two things in common; tactical flexibility and a winning philosophy. Those are the traits that differentiates them from Guardiola. Unlike the latter, these managers would succeed anywhere b'cos they create systems that suits what they have. It is the only philosophy they know not some tiki-taka balderdash.

Pep's decision to acquire an eleven that fits his ideology isn't a masterstroke. It is a no brainer what the move is really all about, he's simply showing once again how limited he is.

Ibime:
This Donald Trump speech na wa o.

I have never heard so many lies in Presidential speech before.

Griffon:
Nateevs and Nihilist, I don't know what your definitions of managerial brilliance are, but I personally think it is doing the right thing and getting results with a 'less perfect' team.

What makes you guys think an astute gaffer can't win the league with the current Citeh side? That team is the best in the country and some bald ninja somehow thinks those boys don't fit into his philosophy. If Pep can't mount a serious title challenge with the current Citeh side, then he's simply tactically inept and definitely over-rated.

Managerial brilliance has it that you must get results with that not-too-perfect team at your disposal. And that can be actualized by creating a setup they would thrive in, a system that would suit them. You should know when to park the bus and lock up. You should know when to go all out. You should know when to drop the ball and dominate play. You should just know when to do the right thing. That is managerial brilliance defined.
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Kagawa10:


Pep could be blamed for his signings but the team's poor play isn't his fault! Just tell me what he could have done in the absence of Fernandinho, their most important player in the team? He had no option than to either put in a makeshift or deploy Fernando in his place in front of a defence that's already there to be taking. A defence of useless players such as Clichy, Stones, Otamendi and Sagna?

And yes, they are poor! Otamendi isn't different from the player Rashford consistently rubbished last season and Kolarov isn't even a defender to begin with. Even while Pellegrini was there, he hardly trusted Kolarov because he's not only too attack minded for a fullback but also, has poor positional discipline, he's not different from Liverpool's Moreno. Pray tell why haven't Klopp done wonder on Alberto Moreno? And now that Kolarov's ageing, he's become much more worse.

Not forgetting the useless Clichy. Or the ageing players whose prime is behind them already. Players such as Zabelata, Yaya. Etc.

And this is not about Milner moving to the fullback. We all know Milner is a limited but hardworking utility player who can play as a box-box CM in midfield or as a winger on the wing. Converting him into a fullback would always be on the card for him. And Widjanum has never been sluggish! Didn't you see him alongside De Jong at the WC or at Newcastle?

Anyway, for a player to be converted, he must have shown some trait in such roles! Take Azpli for example, we all know his attacking play and energetic runs are quite lacking as a fullback however his defensive skills is one of the best, hence the shift to the CB role.. Another is Tony Valencia, he's got solid defensive skills, can make good runs but has poor end product and it's no strange that he was eventually converted to a fullback.

You can't just convert a player for the sake it. You could probably try them once or twice in the role but have to immediately pull them off it as soon as they show no sign of adaptability in the said role. I believe and understand that Pep already went through this route but his players are just piss poor.

I think one thing he needs to do fast is to find a good option for Fernandinho in his role because he's their most important player in the team and also, he needs to reinstate Nolito back into the team, the guy's off the ball movement has done wonders for City this season but sadly, he's much of a nutcase as Fernandinho.

lordfalcao:
there is no reason to say conte was not satisfied with his striking department because we didnt sign lukaku..

When we bidded 55m - 60 mil for lukaku Everton rejected it because they wanted 70-75mil. Even conte came clear to say " that the transfer market is crazy, players going in for the amount they are not worth, he also stated he doesn't want to just spend just to spend.


He wants the right players for the right price. Purely the figure Everton wanted wasn't right for him, he (conte) did not like the idea of spending such on a mere lukaku. So telling me Conte is not happy with his striking department because he wanted Lukaku but the club signed Batshuayi is pure fallacy.

Kagawa10:


Why isn't Conte doing it with ageing Ivanovic and Terry? Or why did Chelsea play shite with these players until they were ousted from team? Answer these question first!

lordfalcao:
The Depay people said was better than hazard. Have been given transport fare and sent to Lyon like an olosho that came for TDB but didn't deliver.

nateevs:



You see? This is the difference between both sides of the arguments. You ahve asked all the questions you want to hear - The comfortable ones. I didn't see you ask, what happens if he gets all he needs and then goes on to dominate?

The truth is, your mind surpresses that question and makes you think it is not possible. The truth however is not that it isn't, it that you desperately don't want it to be true.



I on the other hand, have asked both and my response thus: If he gets what he needs and phucks it up, then he will be forever known as an actor, spared by the brilliance of Messi. However, if the converse scenario occurs, he will be legendary as I suspect he will. I just lean on the side of facts, he has reproduced it where he has gone and been successful with it. Why should I join the train of thinking his style doesn't work in the PL when I can clearly see that Fernandinho is no Xavi?




And I don't think you understand the hiring part very well. You do realise that most of those peops have been hired before they got Pep right? Now that's another fact your mind is trying to surpress.


Face it Lalaboi, he was hired because of his style.

hensben:
what you guys failed to see about pep is that he doesn't train defenders to be tackler rather to be good with the ball in their feet and you can't try that in epl. That's part of the overrating of pep we are talking about.

lordfalcao:
The Depay people said was better than hazard. Have been given transport fare and sent to Lyon like an olosho that came for TDB but didn't deliver.

Brightwood:


That "Olosho" is better than your Girlfriend Hazard...

nateevs:


This is your own definition of managerial brilliance. Someone else comes along and says, guys you know what? I know another way, however I require a precise nature of resources to achieve it. He reproduces it at two different clubs, wins over a dozen trophies while at it but somehow, you think he is wrong and you are right.


This is the part I really need someone to explain. Why do they think he is wrong? Because he chooses to do it the way you are not accustomed to?

Griffon:


This says nothing. Conte is bright enough to see that JT and Ivanovic has no business with the first team anymore. Bright enough to switch to a 3-man backline. Bright enough to convert a PL reject Moses into an amazing wing-back.

He didn't need to ask for 11 perfect players to get the needed results, he only needed to be bright. That is managerial brilliance.

Griffon:


Pep's cant be managerial brilliance, it is choosing the easy way out. He is refusing to test himself and evolve. He is refusing to accept the challenge of working with relatively average players.

Common sense should inform you that a manager's chances of winning a silverware gets enhanced when he decides to stockpile his team with the best legs. That is akin to football manager where teams with the highest rating players tend to walk the league easily. Is that your definition of managerial brilliance?

Kagawa10:


Conte could do that because he had options unlike Pep!

Everyone has always known Moses to be a headless chicken pacey touchline winger hence, converting him into a wingback is nothing strange, just the same way Valencia was converted!

Anyway, You've admitted that the likes of Terry and Ivanovic are already past it but Pep has more of these 'past it' players in his city's team, so what is he suppose to do? Fry beans with them?

Abegi, let's say things as it is.

nateevs:

He reproduces it at two different clubs, wins over a dozen trophies while at it but somehow, you think he is wrong and you are right.


This is the part I really need someone to explain. Why do they think he is wrong? Because he chooses to do it the way you are not accustomed to?

hensben:
what you guys failed to see about pep is that he doesn't train defenders to be tackler rather to be good with the ball in their feet and you can't try that in epl. That's part of the overrating of pep we are talking about.

Kagawa10:


Until Conte backtracks and builds his success around Terry and Ivanovic, you aint saying anything!

Every Coach needs as much quality in his team even if he's an alien!

Kagawa10:


Conte could do that because he had options unlike Pep!

Everyone has always known Moses to be a headless chicken pacey touchline winger hence, converting him into a wingback is nothing strange, just the same way Valencia was converted!

Anyway, You've admitted that the likes of Terry and Ivanovic are already past it but Pep has more of these 'past it' players in his city's team, so what is he suppose to do? Fry beans with them?

Abegi, let's say things as it is.

airmark:

With present city team, a sound coach would not be conceding goals to juveniles and losing 4-0 to everton, blaming it on the delayed coming of jesus and other flimsy excuses.

Ibime:


Terry was 34 and Ivanovic was 31 when JM used them to win league and put them in PFA team of the year.

Kolarov, Clichy and co just crossed 30. They are still in their prime for a defender. Pellegrini used em last season.

Obere4u:


No amount of excuses will hide Pep's limitations as a coach.... chikina

nateevs:



You see? This is the difference between both sides of the arguments. You ahve asked all the questions you want to hear - The comfortable ones. I didn't see you ask, what happens if he gets all he needs and then goes on to dominate?

The truth is, your mind surpresses that question and makes you think it is not possible. The truth however is not that it isn't, it that you desperately don't want it to be true.



I on the other hand, have asked both and my response thus: If he gets what he needs and phucks it up, then he will be forever known as an actor, spared by the brilliance of Messi. However, if the converse scenario occurs, he will be legendary as I suspect he will. I just lean on the side of facts, he has reproduced it where he has gone and been successful with it. Why should I join the train of thinking his style doesn't work in the PL when I can clearly see that Fernandinho is no Xavi?




And I don't think you understand the hiring part very well. You do realise that most of those peops have been hired before they got Pep right? Now that's another fact your mind is trying to surpress.


Face it Lalaboi, he was hired because of his style.