This tintingz of thin is a pain in the neck

Your reply to tbaba up there is crazy one.

To be honest you though, i never for once pictured Adam as white in my head. Black always come to mind when i read Quran descriptions.

I always think of earth (clay) is dark

And i dont think average White people dispute "Black Adam"

They always told me that is the beginning of man and the Syrian Imam strengthened that in my mind.

tintingz:
Lol, I like the humor in this your post.

I am sure if you debate this with indian man he is going to tell you Adam came from India Like i was talking to a Caribbean dude few yrs ago about Jesus, he said during the time he was absent from Israel, he was in India doing yoga

He said but christians dont want t hear this. If they hear me say this 'dey going t killi me"

He got his idea from Ahmadiyya people. I was just shaking my head like "true true brother"

My point is, this type of opinion is just what Quran leaves open for us to guess. It is homework and we all can guess all we want. It doesnt affect salvation. Quran only says he mommy took him away. Same with Adam issue

Empiree:
I am sure if you debate this with indian man he is going to tell you Adam came from India Like i was talking to a Caribbean dude few yrs ago about Jesus, he said during the time he was absent from Israel, he was in India doing yoga

He said but christians dont want t hear this. If they hear me say this 'dey going t killi me"

He got his idea from Ahmadiyya people. I was just shaking my head like "true true brother"

My point is, this type of opinion is just what Quran leaves open for us to guess. It is homework and we all can guess all we want. It doesnt affect salvation. Quran only says he mommy took him away. Same with Adam issue

Lol, thank you for this post.

That's why I said in my past post that science is a gift for humanity to solve the riddles or why did God gave us brain? but our sunna brothers here don't wanna agree they want to argue for argument sake.

Albaqir really did a great job for creating this thread.

tintingz:
Yeye.

The word Adam was rooted from Hebrew or you want to argue which language came first?

Hebrew, Aramaic and Arabic are from the same roots... They are all semitic languages so finding roots of one word in the three languages is pretty common...

The word Adam was rooted from Hebrew or you want to argue which language came first?

Now:

Adam ( آدم) –

The root letters for Adam are Alif, dal, and miim. If we look at Lanes Lexicon, this is what those root letters when put together mean:


Alif-Dal-Miim = seasoned (e.g. food), to mix/associate/unite/mingle together, a means of access, pattern/exemplar, object of imitation, tanned skin/hide, leather, the surface of the earth/ground, Adam, Children of Adam, human beings.
http://qurangems.com/2012/10/31/adam-name-meanings-in-arabic/

Abeg, what's Tanned skin doing there?

Tanned skin color is like red, it is like a sun burnt skin. Like Arabs, indians, mexicans, Caucasians skin color.

When I said it means red from Hebrew meaning they are NOT lying.

Good thing is that we have the original source the Lane's Lexicon not just a summary from the same Lane Lexicon... Please read

If you looked through the links, you will see that the Tanned Skin (brown skin) is NOT the only definition.

It appears to suggest a mixture of colors, a mix of white/black. Allah alam

What does the word science means:

- sci·ence
the intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment.

Scientists are humans, they are not perfect just like religious people.

Can religion do without people? Hell NO!

Can science do without scientists? Hell NO!

Simply Empiricism and we have shown that it is limited and can not find solution to problems outside that realm.

Empiree:
This tintingz of thin is a pain in the neck

Your reply to tbaba up there is crazy one.

To be honest you though, i never for once pictured Adam as white in my head. Black always come to mind when i read Quran descriptions.

I always think of earth (clay) is dark

And i dont think average White people dispute "Black Adam"

They always told me that is the beginning of man and the Syrian Imam strengthened that in my mind.

Lol..

tbaba1234:


Hebrew, Aramaic and Arabic are from the same roots... They are all semitic languages so finding roots of one word in the three languages is pretty common...



Good thing is that we have the original source the Lane's Lexicon not just a summary from the same Lane Lexicon... Please read

If you looked through the links, you will see that the Tanned Skin (brown skin) is NOT the only definition.

It appears to suggest a mixture of colors, a mix of white/black. Allah alam



Simply Empiricism and we have shown that it is limited and can not find solution to problems outside that realm.

OK

Empiree:
This tintingz of thin is a pain in the neck

Your reply to tbaba up there is crazy one.

You no see how some diehard fanatics dey sound pitiful ni when dem jam tingtingz's trailer. And quickly, they labeled him "a shia recruit". That sounds good to me

Dear muslims, basic concepts about evolution theory can be found here:http://amazingreligion.tumblr.com/post/74597355314/topics-related-to-evolution-neo-darwinism

If you have any question, ask it.

This Muslim scientist woman is very brilliant. I watched her an hour long presentation and i can understand her point. This is 10 minutes long dialogue. tintingz agree with her?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5fN7s7Ds9I

I think the reason Muslims predominantly reject evolution theory is because of bad presentation.She's quiet fair in her presentation and gives utmost respect to Qur'an. She admits science is not perfect and it changes. We all know that Quran is for the past, present and the future and I have said time and again that knowledge of Islam evolve. Time will continue to explain Quran

AlBaqir:


Well if that's your assumption, I respect it and you can add those medals of victory to your fanatical collection of medals. I don't/never debate or discuss to win or lose, such never exist in my religious world. However with my past experience with you, I learnt its impossible and unhealthy to debate ignorance - especially he who think he knows and of course, with intention of I must oppose by all means and in the process you always end up confusing yourself severally, perhaps due to too much copy-pasting and twisting when exposed.

# Yeah, tingtingz too once accused you of confusion on this thread. Try to work on that bro.

# Really its a waste of time and resources debating you. So, you might always see albaqir mute on your comments.

And where did i suggest wining or losing a debate?! I am ignorant good, and you are intelligent and knowledgeable great, i quoted the Qur'an, the verses destroys your arguments, explain if not true, you went on narrating stories, do you think i respond to you guys because of me?! Explain your views and forget long stories...

You guys read, but understanding is missing, tintingz still needs a lot of learning to do, i understand his plight, but you a graduate of Chemistry, also cannot differentiate between cause and risk factors, it is very disappointing, not to mention your numerous gaffe with regards to the Qur'an.

Do not stay mute because of me, explain the verses of the Qur'an to prove your argument and stop appealing to emotion!

Empiree:
This Muslim scientist woman is very brilliant. I watched her an hour long presentation and i can understand her point. This is 10 minutes long dialogue. tintingz agree with her?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5fN7s7Ds9I

I think the reason Muslims predominantly reject evolution theory is because of bad presentation.She's quiet fair in her presentation and gives utmost respect to Qur'an. She admits science is not perfect and it changes. We all know that Quran is for the past, present and the future and I have said time and again that knowledge of Islam evolve. Time will continue to explain Quran

Wow, this Muslims scientist even accept evolution is fact, she keeps repeating "evolution is a fact".She even said Muslims shouldn't take Quran passage literally that Quran is not a book of science and technology. She explained exactly what I and albaqir explained here about evolution.
We need more of these science Muslim women not the ones in sharia countries they caged in burqa and niqab.

No scientists claim science is perfect, but it progress with time, she even said in future science will be able to know what concience and soul is, that research is still on.

sino come watch this video ooo!

You can share the long length video, I really enjoyed her presentation.

Albaqir, I'm still watching the video, it is lengthy.

sino:

And where did i suggest wining or losing a debate?! I am ignorant good, and you are intelligent and knowledgeable great, i quoted the Qur'an, the verses destroys your arguments, explain if not true, you went on narrating stories, do you think i respond to you guys because of me?! Explain your views and forget long stories...

You guys read, but understanding is missing, tintingz still needs a lot of learning to do, i understand his plight, but you a graduate of Chemistry, also cannot differentiate between cause and risk factors, it is very disappointing, not to mention your numerous gaffe with regards to the Qur'an.

Do not stay mute because of me, explain the verses of the Qur'an to prove your argument and stop appealing to emotion!

Oga James bond, I've said it before that I'm still doing research in all field of beliefs, so saying I need a lot to learn is nothing, you're the one that need a lot to learn, you're the confused fellow here.

You claim you studied science yet you can't provide one single evidence to your fairytale, kindly quit science until you show Where we can find flying horses, where can we find Satan entering people's mouth, I want to see how Satan pee pee, where did Adam and Eve lived and what's their skin color.

tintingz:
Wow, this Muslims scientist even accept evolution is fact, she keeps repeating "evolution is a fact".She even said Muslims shouldn't take Quran passage literally. She explained exactly what I and albaqir explained here about evolution.
We need more of these science Muslim women not the ones in sharia countries they caged in burqa and niqab.

No scientists claim science is perfect, but it progress with time, she even said in future science will be able to know what concience and soul is, that research is still on.

sino come watch this video ooo!

You can share the long length video, I really enjoyed her presentation.

Albaqir, I'm still watching the video, it is lengthy.

On this thread we've posted videos from various Muslim's scholars who at the same time scientists:

# Prof. Hassanain Rajabali, a molecular biologist and psychologist.

# Dr. Yassir Qadhi, a chemical engineer with degree in chemistry/biology

# Dr. Adnan Ibrahim, a medical doctor, and philosopher.

These three have one thing in common, they are all Islamic scholars. Hassanain Rajabali is a Shi'i while the other two are Sunni. In fact Adnan Ibrahim is a Mujtahid in Sunni Shafi'i school of thought.

# Then we have this Sunni Female scientist. She's not an Islamic scholar but obviously she's not an ignorant as per Islamic understanding.

Despite the fact that all of them do not agree 100% whem compare their understanding and interpretations of Islam and evolution, these are the kind of people we need in this age of science and technological advances not Muslim scholars that knows nothing about science yet want to give "fatawa" on Islam-science theory.

# I bet s.ino and his people watched none of these video or as usual have lucked up the doors to their senses and embrace the fairytales, assumptions, fabrications of their salafi schools/books.

Nice thread, but i have no comment.

tintingz:
Wow, this Muslims scientist even accept evolution is fact, she keeps repeating "evolution is a fact".She even said Muslims shouldn't take Quran passage literally that Quran is not a book of science and technology. She explained exactly what I and albaqir explained here about evolution.
We need more of these science Muslim women not the ones in sharia countries they caged in burqa and niqab.

No scientists claim science is perfect, but it progress with time, she even said in future science will be able to know what concience and soul is, that research is still on.

sino come watch this video ooo!

You can share the long length video, I really enjoyed her presentation.

Albaqir, I'm still watching the video, it is lengthy.

Evolution as "a change in allele frequencies over time" is a fact. Read this: http://quranscientificerror..com/2013/08/re-quran-scientific-errors-on-evolution.html

***

AlBaqir:

Islam and Evolution: Is there a controversy?:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etP_YJ5jWsY


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etP_YJ5jWsY&feature=youtu.be

What a very educative and informative presentation by a Muslim scientist.

Really enjoyed it. Thanks bro.

Medknight:


Evolution as "a change in allele frequencies over time" is a fact. Read this: http://quranscientificerror..com/2013/08/re-quran-scientific-errors-on-evolution.html

Let me add some more information, by the way, a very apt article from the link you presented….

So I watched the video tintingz recommended, (I guess because she is a Muslim, and she kept repeating evolution is a fact)... Well, I could only pick DNA homology, as one of the major prove of evolution, that we share like 99% of our DNA with Chimpanzees, and thus this DNA code for the same proteins in both organisms, thus those DNA were conserved…While I do not argue with the fact of shared DNA, I say this does not prove evolution in any way as much as fossil records or anatomy do with its lack of transitional intermediates, If anything, homology proves one Creator i.e an Intelligent Designer! Of course life has only one source; therefore, there shouldn’t be a surprise if such relationship is found!

"The DNA homology between ape and man has been reported to be 96% when considering only the current protein- mapping sequences, which represent only 2% of the total genome. However, the actual similarity of the DNA is approximately 70% to 75% when considering the full genome, including the previously presumed “junk DNA,” which has now been demonstrated to code for supporting elements in transcription or expression…

…The ape to human species change would require an incredibly rapid rate of mutation leading to formation of new DNA, thousands of new proteins, and untold cellular, neural, digestive, and immune-related changes in DNA, which would code for the thousands of new functioning proteins. This rate of mutation has never been observed in any viral, bacterial, or other organism. The estimation for DNA random mutations that would lead to intelligence in humans is beyond calculation. Therefore, the recently discovered molecular differences between apes and humans make the prospect of simple random mutation leading to a new species of Homo sapiens largely improbable…

…Finally, bacterial evolution or adaptation offers an excellent opportunity to see mutation in a species with rapid cell division. Evolutionary biology can be modeled over a relatively short time (30 years), while observing DNA mutations over 10²⁰ generations. This is analogous to observing mutations in man or any mammal over 200 million years. A recent review of numerous papers related to viral and bacterial evolution over the past years revealed that the vast majority of mutations led to a loss or slight modification of function that conferred resistance or survival benefit. These specific mutations included simple deletions, substitutions, frame shift mutations, inversion, and insertion. No gain-in-function mutations were observed in any of the long-term bacterial evolution studies. There were only two gain-of-function mutations in the long-term viral evolution studies. [b]The absence of mutations leading to a single new protein suggests the difficulty of using mutation to explain the development of numerous new proteins coded specifically by thousands of nucleotides in a precise order, interacting with numerous other enzymes in a simultaneous fashion to accomplish a single cellular action such as the cellular manufacture of a single nucleotide. The complexity of creating two sequential or simultaneous mutations that would confer improved survival has been studied in the malaria parasite when exposed to chloroquine. The actual incidence of two base-pair mutations leading to two changed amino acids leading to resistance has been shown to be 1 in 10²⁰ cases. To better understand this incidence, the likelihood that Homo sapiens would achieve any single mutation of the kind required for malaria to become resistant to chloroquine (a simple shift of two amino acids) would be 100 million times 10 million years (many times the age of the universe). This example has been used to further explain the difficulty in managing more than one mutation to achieve benefit."[/b]

For references and further reading, visit: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3246854/

In other words, the idea that it would take gazillion number of years for evolution (the jump from ape to man) to occur, hence the lack of observable process of evolution is highly improbable, it is a fairy-tale...

Going further, her remarks about the Qur’an is not appropriate, when she herself acknowledges the fact that their knowledge about evolution may change with new discoveries (as it has always been changing), and she wants the Qur’an to also follow suit, changing the interpretations after new findings?! I don’t even understand how that is possible. I have asked AlBaqir, to explain some Qur’anic verses, perhaps in the light of new discoveries, but he has been “speaking in tongues” ever since…

It is just funny how believers in evolution or pro-evolutionist, assume your rejecting evolution, equals rejecting science, they resort to ad-hominem and all sort of irrational outburst, this is basically the kind of thinking and actions that comes from religious fanatics…One individual remarked that evolution is the 21st century version of fairy-tale for adults to hold on to a belief that is inexplicable…

And yeah, I know, research is still ongoing....

sino:


Let me add some more information, by the way, a very apt article from the link you presented….

So I watched the video tintingz recommended, (I guess because she is a Muslim, and she kept repeating evolution is a fact)... Well, I could only pick DNA homology, as one of the major prove of evolution, that we share like 99% of our DNA with Chimpanzees, and thus this DNA code for the same proteins in both organisms, thus those DNA were conserved…While I do not argue with the fact of shared DNA, I say this does not prove evolution in any way as much as fossil records or anatomy do with its lack of transitional intermediates, If anything, homology proves one Creator i.e an Intelligent Designer! Of course life has only one source; therefore, there shouldn’t be a surprise if such relationship is found!

"The DNA homology between ape and man has been reported to be 96% when considering only the current protein- mapping sequences, which represent only 2% of the total genome. However, the actual similarity of the DNA is approximately 70% to 75% when considering the full genome, including the previously presumed “junk DNA,” which has now been demonstrated to code for supporting elements in transcription or expression…

…The ape to human species change would require an incredibly rapid rate of mutation leading to formation of new DNA, thousands of new proteins, and untold cellular, neural, digestive, and immune-related changes in DNA, which would code for the thousands of new functioning proteins. This rate of mutation has never been observed in any viral, bacterial, or other organism. The estimation for DNA random mutations that would lead to intelligence in humans is beyond calculation. Therefore, the recently discovered molecular differences between apes and humans make the prospect of simple random mutation leading to a new species of Homo sapiens largely improbable…

…Finally, bacterial evolution or adaptation offers an excellent opportunity to see mutation in a species with rapid cell division. Evolutionary biology can be modeled over a relatively short time (30 years), while observing DNA mutations over 10²⁰ generations. This is analogous to observing mutations in man or any mammal over 200 million years. A recent review of numerous papers related to viral and bacterial evolution over the past years revealed that the vast majority of mutations led to a loss or slight modification of function that conferred resistance or survival benefit. These specific mutations included simple deletions, substitutions, frame shift mutations, inversion, and insertion. No gain-in-function mutations were observed in any of the long-term bacterial evolution studies. There were only two gain-of-function mutations in the long-term viral evolution studies. [b]The absence of mutations leading to a single new protein suggests the difficulty of using mutation to explain the development of numerous new proteins coded specifically by thousands of nucleotides in a precise order, interacting with numerous other enzymes in a simultaneous fashion to accomplish a single cellular action such as the cellular manufacture of a single nucleotide. The complexity of creating two sequential or simultaneous mutations that would confer improved survival has been studied in the malaria parasite when exposed to chloroquine. The actual incidence of two base-pair mutations leading to two changed amino acids leading to resistance has been shown to be 1 in 10²⁰ cases. To better understand this incidence, the likelihood that Homo sapiens would achieve any single mutation of the kind required for malaria to become resistant to chloroquine (a simple shift of two amino acids) would be 100 million times 10 million years (many times the age of the universe). This example has been used to further explain the difficulty in managing more than one mutation to achieve benefit."[/b]

For references and further reading, visit: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3246854/

In other words, the idea that it would take gazillion number of years for evolution (the jump from ape to man) to occur, hence the lack of observable process of evolution is highly improbable, it is a fairy-tale...

Going further, her remarks about the Qur’an is not appropriate, when she herself acknowledges the fact that their knowledge about evolution may change with new discoveries (as it has always been changing), and she wants the Qur’an to also follow suit, changing the interpretations after new findings?! I don’t even understand how that is possible. I have asked AlBaqir, to explain some Qur’anic verses, perhaps in the light of new discoveries, but he has been “speaking in tongues” ever since…

It is just funny how believers in evolution or pro-evolutionist, assume your rejecting evolution, equals rejecting science, they resort to ad-hominem and all sort of irrational outburst, this is basically the kind of thinking and actions that comes from religious fanatics…One individual remarked that evolution is the 21st century version of fairy-tale for adults to hold on to a belief that is inexplicable…

And yeah, I know, research is still ongoing....

Let's agree evolution is a fairytale and you just provide one scientific theory out of thousands, can you please provide any theory about flying horses? Thank you.

And to the article to support whatever you just wanna prove failed. humans didn't evolve directly from apes our specie evolve in a different evolutionary path, we only share common ancestor (hominoid).

sino:
Going further, her remarks about the Qur’an is not appropriate, when she herself acknowledges the fact that their knowledge about evolution may change with new discoveries (as it has always been changing), and she wants the Qur’an to also follow suit, changing the interpretations after new findings?! I don’t even understand how that is possible. I have asked AlBaqir, to explain some Qur’anic verses, perhaps in the light of new discoveries, but he has been “speaking in tongues” ever since…

I disagree with you. I think you misunderstood her. Scholars have said what she said as well. It is not about trying to fit Quran in to her theory. Not at all. Quran says it is for past present and future. it says it explains ALL things.

وَنَزَّلْنَا عَلَيْكَ الْكِتَـبَ تِبْيَانًا لِّكُلِّ شَىْءٍ "And We revealed the Book (the Qur'an) to you as an explanation of everything,"


Ibn Mas`ud (RA) said: "﴿Allah﴾ made it clear that in this Qur'an there is complete knowledge and about everything.'' The Qur'an contains all kinds of beneficial knowledge, such as reports of what happened in the past, information about what is yet to come, what is lawful and unlawful, and what people need to know about their worldly affairs, their religion, their livelihood in this world, and their destiny in the Hereafter


So the implication is that Quran MUST have talked about current and future discoveries not known to man yet. That's why we should not shut the door on everything. Quran (also) goes further to say:


وَهَدَى (a guidance) which means whatever it is discovered in the near future MUST and WILL NEVER contradict this ultimate criteria (The Noble Qur'an)


And after we scaled new discoveries with what Quran says (which by the way might be understood differently in the past), then Quran says give yourself good news


وَرَحْمَةً وَبُشْرَى لِلْمُسْلِمِينَ a mercy, and good news for the Muslims.


So I believe that knowledge moves forward in every aspect of our lives. The whole thing is in the Quran already but ONLY TIME will tell and Quran itself is TIME. The ayah below proves that Sahaba and people of the past could not understand many things yet to come. Like for instance, they could not imagined aircraft, computer and technology etc but Quran already speaks of these things.


"And (He has created) horses, mules and donkeys, for you to ride and as an adornment. And He Creates (other) things of which you have no knowledge." Surat an-Nahl, 8

So it not what you think she meant.

^^^Well said Empiree.

He's just being biased and doesn't want to accept reality, he wants me to believe flying horse exist or Satan pee pee or Adam was a Gulliver-size giant yet he can't provide one single evidence for them.

After many scientists said "evolution is a fact" my brother sino still call it fairytale, finding faults in scientific theories and he claim to study science.

If he wants me to believe the fairytale creation about Adam then he should ready to answer the creation of other Gods like Odin, Obatala, Zeus, Yahweh, Nuwa, Brahma, Unkulunkulu etc. These Gods are also creators.

This is going to be interesting tintingz

http://nypost.com/2017/02/16/woolly-mammoths-could-be-back-from-extinction-in-just-2-years/

Were there any people before Adam (peace be upon him) whose name was Jinn and others whose name was Hinn?

Praise be to Allah.There is nothing in the Qur’an or sunnah (prophetic teachings) to indicate that there were any people living on Earth before Adam (peace be upon him). Rather the reports that speak of this are the opinions of mufassireen (Quran commentators) among the sahabah (companions) and tabi‘een (successors). For example:


# The first opinion is that the earth was inhabited by the jinn, whom Allah, may He be exalted, created from fire. This opinion was narrated from most of the mufassireen. At-Tabari narrated in his Tafseer from Ibn ‘Abbas (may Allah be pleased with him) that he said:

The first ones to dwell on earth were the jinn, and they caused mischief therein, shedding blood and killing one another.

It was narrated from ar-Rabee‘ ibn Anas that he said:

Allah created the angels on Wednesday, and He created the jinn on Thursday and He created Adam on Friday. Then some of the jinn disbelieved, and the angels used to come down to earth to fight them, and there was bloodshed and corruption on earth.

# The second opinion is that there was no one on earth, jinn or otherwise, before Adam (peace be upon him).

at-Tabari narrated this view in his Tafseer from ‘Abd ar-Rahman ibn Zayd, who said:

Allah, may He be exalted, said to the angels: I want to create a creature on earth and make him a vicegerent (khaleefah) therein. On that day Allah had no creation except the angels, and there were no creatures on earth.

Al-‘Allamah at-Tahir ibn ‘Ashoor said in at-Tahreer wa’t-Tanweer:

After mentioning the creation of the earth then the heavens, Allah referred to His will, that He would create a vicegerent. This indicates that creating the vicegerent was the first thing done on earth after it was created. The vicegerent here is the one who takes control of another’s property and manages it, and the original owner does not necessarily have to have been in that place beforehand. So the vicegerent was Adam (peace be upon him), and his role as vicegerent was to do what Allah, may He be exalted, wanted of developing the earth on the basis of inspiration and revelation, and to teach his offspring Allah’s plan concerning this earthy realm. End quote.

With regard to what some commentators and historians say about a race called Hinn inhabiting the earth, then the jinn came and killed them and took their place, it seems that this is a story that cannot be attributed to any sound isnad (chain of narrators).

Ibn Kathir said in al-Bidayah wa’n-Nihayah:

Many scholars of tafseer say that the jinn were created before Adam (peace be upon him), and before them on Earth there were the hinn and the binn, then Allah caused the jinn to prevail over them, so they killed them and expelled them from the earth and inhabited it after them.

End quote.

Al-‘Allamah at-Tahir ibn ‘Ashoor said in at-Tahreer wa’t-Tanweer:

If it is true that the earth was inhabited before by a race of creatures called al-hinn wa’l-binn or, it was said, they were called at-tamm wa’r-ramm, this is a reference to something that never existed and is unknown. Perhaps these are among the myths of the Persians and Greeks propagated by the storytellers, because the Persians say that before mankind existed on earth, there was a race called at-tamm wa’r-ramm, and the Greeks believed that the earth was populated by creatures called Titans, and Zeus, the leader of their gods according to their beliefs, drove them from the earth because of their evildoing. End quote.

And Allah knows best.

https://islamqa.info/en/72470

‘Adams’ before ADAM This theory supports that of Sheikh Muhammad Mustapha Al-Mubarak Ashile El-Ilero (ra)


Regarding the creation of Adam, the majority of ‘ulama believe that Adam and Eve were created in their complete form in Heaven. They were then sent to earth after partaking from the forbidden fruit. Their progeny populated the earth and thenceforth started the history of mankind.

What is not explained explicitly by Allah SWT in the Quran is how Adam is created. Was he created in stages or in just one process? A fraction of tafsir scholars are of the opinion that when Allah SWT created Adam, it was not until 40 years later that his ruh (spirit) was blown into him. In this is clear the influence of Ancient Persian tradition towards this tafsir.

Another fraction of ‘ulama are of the opinion that Adam was not the first man created to be on earth. In their opinion, hundreds and thousands of previous ‘Adam’s have existed before Adam our father. Each previous ‘Adam’ had their own progeny and life, were destroyed completely, and replaced by the following ‘Adam’, until the time came to Adam, our father. Adam our father is seen as being the last of the ‘Adam’s on this earth.

Then there are also ‘ulama who are of the opinion that Adam and Eve were not created in Heaven, but on earth, and from the earth.

(Refer al-Maqdisi: Al-Bad’ wa al-Tarikh and Ibn al-‘Arabi: al-Futuhat al-Makkiyyah)

albaqir, this supports the Sheikh's video i sent you on the other end


Ikhwan al-Safa too explained a bit more on this aspect. They state that all creatures were created from dry clay and inhabited the Equatorial regions, unaffected by weather extremes. This created a good environment for procreation. It is in this environment that Adam was created (takawwana). Ikhwan al-Safa are also of the opinion that Adam and Eve spent the first half of their life on earth (Rasaa’il Ikhwan al-Safa, chapter 181, pg 229. There is a possibility that this concept was taken from come Biblical concepts, where Heaven is termed the Garden of Eden where Adam and Eve lived in purity).

http://saifulislam.com/2013/07/adams-before-adam/

Empiree:
This is going to be interesting tintingz

http://nypost.com/2017/02/16/woolly-mammoths-could-be-back-from-extinction-in-just-2-years/

You can see reason why science is progressing day by day, only God knows what will science discover or create in the future.

I read a report our body can be kept for years without getting old or dying, something like icing the body in a tube gas.

It is possible for science to even create clones of humans in the future.

Imagine scientists bringing back mammoth to this century according to the report in the link, mammoths that shrinked to elephants.

Thanks for the link.

Empiree:
With regard to what some commentators and historians say about a race called Hinn inhabiting the earth, then the jinn came and killed them and took their place, it seems that this is a story that cannot be attributed to any sound isnad (chain of narrators).

Ibn Kathir said in al-Bidayah wa’n-Nihayah:

Many scholars of tafseer say that the jinn were created before Adam (peace be upon him), and before them on Earth there were the hinn and the binn, then Allah caused the jinn to prevail over them, so they killed them and expelled them from the earth and inhabited it after them.

End quote.

Al-‘Allamah at-Tahir ibn ‘Ashoor said in at-Tahreer wa’t-Tanweer:

If it is true that the earth was inhabited before by a race of creatures called al-hinn wa’l-binn or, it was said, they were called at-tamm wa’r-ramm, this is a reference to something that never existed and is unknown. Perhaps these are among the myths of the Persians and Greeks propagated by the storytellers, because the Persians say that before mankind existed on earth, there was a race called at-tamm wa’r-ramm, and the Greeks believed that the earth was populated by creatures called Titans, and Zeus, the leader of their gods according to their beliefs, drove them from the earth because of their evildoing. End quote.

And Allah knows best.

https://islamqa.info/en/72470

It is a fact that creatures existed before modern humans, there are evidence of their fossil, like bones, hair and caves they lived.

The Greek or Persian mythology is their belief just like Islamic beliefs. Each society has it own mythology.

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You can see reason why science is progressing day by day, only God knows what will science discover or create in the future.

Islam NEVER impedes scientific research or scientific knowledge. FACT!

I read a report our body can be kept for years without getting old or dying, something like icing the body in a tube gas.

It is possible for science to even create clones of humans in the future.

This is believed in Hinduism. They believe there will be cloining of humans in the Last Age. This is true but the problem is, it is linked with shayateen. Some people's grandparents or great grandparents that have long died would appear to them, speak to them, but all these only meant to sway men. It is happening gradually. So there will be cloning. And just bcuz scientists are able to do this doesn't make it halal.

imagine scientists bringing back mammoth to this century according to the report in the link, mammoths that shrinked to elephants.

Thanks for the link.

Exactly. Expect human cloning soon. I already seen experiment on tv. You welcome

Empiree:
Islam NEVER impedes scientific research or scientific knowledge. FACT!


This is believed in Hinduism. They believe there will be cloining of humans in the Last Age. This is true but the problem is, it is linked with shayateen. Some people's grandparents or great grandparents that have long died would appear to them, speak to them, but all these only meant to sway men. It is happening gradually. So there will be cloning. And just bcuz scientists are able to do this doesn't make it halal.


Exactly. Expect human cloning soon. I already seen experiment on tv. You welcome

Science is not a divine study, it doesn't receive any revelation or commandment from any God or Gods, science is an independent study that deals with experiments and discoveries. There is nothing like halal or haram in science.

If scientists can create human clone with conscience, it is a great achievement for them.

The History of The Earth

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQm6N60bneo