PabloAfricanus:


Cmon dude where is your sense of humor now
I have been asking a very simple question all these while...
How did the Obi of Issele Ukwu came to bear the name Nduka Ezeagwuna?
And are the names of your kings overwhelmingly Igbo?
Mind you, I have no point to prove here and I'm also no claiming anything as you guys wrongly assume...
Take it that you are educating someone seeking for answers...
Just calmly explain to me, in light of all the history and story you and others have been telling about Ikas...
how and how not you are related to Binis and Igbos...
How did the Obi of Issele Ukwu came to bear the name Nduka Ezeagwuna?

PS: If you have not figured out that story about Igbonization and trading is a joke, I'd advise you should not bother replying me.

This is a deep question that many of them would barely be able to give a cogent answer to. This question is deep in that when asked it leaves the other person in deep thoughts figuring out why they speak Igbo and not Edo and it points them to the most possible answer but in their mind reject that which seems to be most likely the truth and they return to their regular mantra as usual.

bigfrancis21:


This is a deep question that many of them would barely be able to give a cogent answer too. This question is deep in that when asked it leaves the other person in deep thoughts figuring out why they speak Igbo and not Edo and it points them to the most possible answer but in their mind reject that which seems to be most likely the truth and they return to their regular mantra as usual.

The oba of Benin does not see them as his people. They are settling tribes

Monkeydeychop:


The oba of Benin does not see them as his people. They are settling tribes

I totally agree with you. I guess we need more people like you to tell them this. In the past a lot of migrations occurred however what matters today is your identity today or else the world would be a confusing place. You cannot speak Spanish, bear Spanish names and practice Spanish culture yet claim to be French.

bigfrancis21:


I totally agree with you. I guess we need more people like you to tell them this. In the past a lot of migrations occurred however what matters today is your identity today or else the world would be a confusing place. You cannot speak Spanish, bear Spanish names and practice Spanish culture yet claim to be French.

Yes sir that's exactly what I'm saying!

Monkeydeychop:


The oba of Benin does not see them as his people. They are settling tribes

I sort of disagree with the settling part, a lot of unrelated groups and tribes were inadvertently carved into "states" when the military boys were doing their thing.
The Igbankes and Ekpons are good examples.
They did not MIGRATE nor SETTLE into where they now live, they have always been there.
If history is anything to go by, it was the Bini empire that expanded into and settled into most of the area they now claim as territory.

However, your corrections of very popular historical views among the Aniomas would have been a small thing if it was a completely Anioma phenomenon.
You need to listen to the Onichas, Ogutas and Ogbarus who have taken Bini cultural influence to another level of interpretation. How these people managed to convince themselves they are descendants of next door Bini is the most hilarious tripe I've heard in a long time.
I won't even bother with the Ikwerres and their Akalaka was a Bini prince lullaby.
Kudos to the Bini's for not flipping and taking all these bogus claims and counter claims to Bini origin calmly and without giving any room for rancour or outrage. Now that is class and royalty.
The Igbos I know would have turned the whole affair into a free for all rofo rofo mudslinging fight

bigfrancis21:


This is a deep question that many of them would barely be able to give a cogent answer to. This question is deep in that when asked it leaves the other person in deep thoughts figuring out why they speak Igbo and not Edo and it points them to the most possible answer but in their mind reject that which seems to be most likely the truth and they return to their regular mantra as usual.

No they can't, have never and will never be able to.
If the criteria for survival during the civil war in Ika land was for one to speak Edo or recite the lists of say the last 20 Oba's of Bini, or even give the the official greetings of any random quarters in the Edo royal family...
You and I both know the Ikas would have been wiped out, as these self acclaimed descendants of Bini "princes" would never have been able to deliver.
The much to be commended silence or rather complete ignoring by the Edo's...is what has given them and their cousins the room to weave historical fabrications without fear of corrections or public shaming.
But then, I think the Igbos should be very wary of these people. A people who can deny themselves and their ancestry with a straight face and with so much shamelessness do not deserve to be taken as kith and kin.
Their inferiority complex will play out sooner or later in either sabotage or gross discrimination.

PabloAfricanus:


I sort of disagree with the settling part, a lot of unrelated groups and tribes were inadvertently carved into "states" when the military boys were doing their thing.
The Igbankes and Ekpons are good examples.
They did not MIGRATE nor SETTLE into where they now live, they have always been there.
If history is anything to go by, it was the Bini empire that expanded into and settled into most of the area they now claim as territory.

However, your corrections of very popular historical views among the Aniomas would have been a small thing if it was a completely Anioma phenomenon.
You need to listen to the Onichas, Ogutas and Ogbarus who have taken Bini cultural influence to another level of interpretation. How these people managed to convince themselves they are descendants of next door Bini is the most hilarious tripe I've heard in a long time.
I won't even bother with the Ikwerres and their Akalaka was a Bini prince lullaby.
Kudos to the Bini's for not flipping and taking all these bogus claims and counter claims to Bini origin calmly and without giving any room for rancour or outrage. Now that is class and royalty.
The Igbos I know would have turned the whole affair into a free for all rofo rofo mudslinging fight

You sound like a smart guy. I still reckon the igbanke people migrated to edo land at some point in time. Either way after Nigeria is dissolved they should migrate back. Same with the ijaws who seem to be every where this days both in the south east and south west. Every body should be ready to go back. No more Nkechi and chinenye in my lands.

Monkeydeychop:



You sound like a smart guy. I still reckon the igbanke people migrated to edo land at some point in time. Either way after Nigeria is dissolved they should migrate back. Same with the ijaws who seem to be every where this days both in the south east and south west. Every body should be ready to go back. No more Nkechi and chinenye in my lands.

Lol.
You are clearly taking artificial state boundaries to be equivalent to precolonial ethnic boundaries...
Or you are just uninformed on how migration works.
If your wish comes true, the artificial boundaries would only be readjusted to what it was before the formation of "Edo" state.
As to your last statement, cmon now
There were Igbo, Yoruba, igalla people in the ancient Bini empire.
Are you not aware Agho Obaseki's lineage is from Asaba? Bini like all other conquering monarchies absorbed neighbouring tribes and ethnic groups.
That was not a bad thing.

bigfrancis21:


Dude, please point out or show me where or which Igbo person claimed Esan people are Igbo? If you are sort of angry over Yorubas who confuse Esan with Igbos don't you think you should be educating them instead of pouring out all these hate on Igbos for nothing?

Please, you guys should ignore him. He's so bitter and full of hate that he doesn't even know what to say anymore. If he says Ika is not Edo, fine but going further to say that Itsekiri, a Yoruboid group is closer to Edo than Urhobo/Isoko/Okpe that speak Edoid languages is completely contradictory. If Ika is Igbo because of the closeness in our tongue, how then is Itsekiri Edo? From his logic, Itsekiri should be Yoruba.

PabloAfricanus:


Lol.
You are clearly taking artificial state boundaries to be equivalent to precolonial ethnic boundaries...
Or you are just uninformed on how migration works.
If your wish comes true, the artificial boundaries would only be readjusted to what it was before the formation of "Edo" state.
As to your last statement, cmon now
There were Igbo, Yoruba, igalla people in the ancient Bini empire.
Are you not aware Agho Obaseki's lineage is from Asaba? Bini like all other conquering monarchies absorbed neighbouring tribes and ethnic groups.
That was not a bad thing.

Lol I heard that but I didn't know it was true. Sorry if this post seemed offensive I was just angry once I heard a bunch of Igbo names only to hear them say they're esan. I do not like to see my culture and history eroded away just cos there's a large amount of Igbo settlers in esan land and auchi. It doesn't work that way, either you are Igbo with Igbo name or esan with esan name. Fair enough some very few Esans bear yoruba names but then again names like Eko, ogbeni and oshodi and maybe idowu have meanings in esan language. Our deities also sound yoruboid e.g osun, ayelala, ogun and it's obvious in most esan surnames. So I can't argue against that.

Igbo people are fond of insulting edo's and now that I am a proud tribalist who has had enough of their shit, I will reciprocate their insults.

Monkeydeychop:



Any Benin person you hear saying Esans are not real edo's tell them to tell you where esan came from even though history shows they were Chiefs and doctors of the Benin empire? Olodo.

You are ika. You are Igbo and you know it. If you like speak edo language, it doesn't make you edo. You are still Igbo descendants. You people should go back to delta state.

go and join Nigeria Nostalgia project - pre Independence Nigeria. It's a Facebook group. Even the major Bini historian, Nosa Uwaila and other Edos said times without number that Esans are not Edo prompting an Esan girl on that group to open a thread on that topic.

You can as well join Edo Political world on Facebook and see how Ika is solidly represented on that group. Stop saying what you don't know. Ekpons are not Ika. They are Esan. They speak Ika but all their cultures are Esans. Ika on the other hand have mostly Bini cultures. And those deities you talked about exist in Ika land. You're the most ignorant person I've ever come across on Facebook. All your comments don't make a single sense. Just expressing emotions instead of trying to make sense.

PabloAfricanus:


No they can't, have never and will never be able to.
If the criteria for survival during the civil war in Ika land was for one to speak Edo or recite the lists of say the last 20 Oba's of Bini, or even give the the official greetings of any random quarters in the Edo royal family...
You and I both know the Ikas would have been wiped out, as these self acclaimed descendants of Bini "princes" would never have been able to deliver.
The much to be commended silence or rather complete ignoring by the Edo's...is what has given them and their cousins the room to weave historical fabrications without fear of corrections or public shaming.
But then, I think the Igbos should be very wary of these people. A people who can deny themselves and their ancestry with a straight face and with so much shamelessness do not deserve to be taken as kith and kin.
Their inferiority complex will play out sooner or later in either sabotage or gross discrimination.

Owa people still retained the Edo greetings till date. In ancient Edo, every activities has a peculiar greetings for them and they're still retained in Owa and other Ika areas to a lesser extent. As for lists of past Obas, even most Bini people don't know it. And Esans? Don't know it at all lol

PabloAfricanus:


I sort of disagree with the settling part, a lot of unrelated groups and tribes were inadvertently carved into "states" when the military boys were doing their thing.
The Igbankes and Ekpons are good examples.
They did not MIGRATE nor SETTLE into where they now live, they have always been there.
If history is anything to go by, it was the Bini empire that expanded into and settled into most of the area they now claim as territory.

However, your corrections of very popular historical views among the Aniomas would have been a small thing if it was a completely Anioma phenomenon.
You need to listen to the Onichas, Ogutas and Ogbarus who have taken Bini cultural influence to another level of interpretation. How these people managed to convince themselves they are descendants of next door Bini is the most hilarious tripe I've heard in a long time.
I won't even bother with the Ikwerres and their Akalaka was a Bini prince lullaby.
Kudos to the Bini's for not flipping and taking all these bogus claims and counter claims to Bini origin calmly and without giving any room for rancour or outrage. Now that is class and royalty.
The Igbos I know would have turned the whole affair into a free for all rofo rofo mudslinging fight

Hahahahahahahahahahaaa

Cire80:
Owa people still retained the Edo greetings till date. In ancient Edo, every activities has a peculiar greetings for them and they're still retained in Owa and other Ika areas to a lesser extent. As for lists of past Obas, even most Bini people don't know it. And Esans? Don't know it at all lol

This Bini settler still dey regurgitate these lies
Guy, pack your load and start going back to the land of your ancestors before the OmoNoba vex close Abudu border gate
See as Edos don deny you like say you shit for altar

Cire80:
go and join Nigeria Nostalgia project - pre Independence Nigeria. It's a Facebook group. Even the major Bini historian, Nosa Uwaila and other Edos said times without number that Esans are not Edo prompting an Esan girl on that group to open a thread on that topic.

You can as well join Edo Political world on Facebook and see how Ika is solidly represented on that group. Stop saying what you don't know. Ekpons are not Ika. They are Esan. They speak Ika but all their cultures are Esans. Ika on the other hand have mostly Bini cultures. And those deities you talked about exist in Ika land. You're the most ignorant person I've ever come across on Facebook. All your comments don't make a sing sense. Just expressing emotions instead of trying to make sense.

The same Nigerian Nostalgic project facebook page where Osita mordi tore the Bini worshiping Mgbejiume known in naira land as Agbontae to shreds?

cheruv:

This Bini settler still dey regurgitate these lies
Guy, pack your load and start going back to the land of your ancestors before the OmoNoba vex close Abudu border gate
See as Edos don deny you like say you shit for altar

who is Edos? Obviously I know some elements will try to use this thread as a point. If you can't see through the confusion in the mind of the monkey that opened this thread then you're a bigger monkey. And there is no time Ika ever said they are Edo. I've never seen any Ika say that. Ika is Ika. Edo is Edo.

pazienza:


The same Nigerian Nostalgic project facebook page where Osita mordi tore the Bini worshiping Mgbejiume known in naira land as Agbontae to shreds?

That's not the point. The reason I mentioned that is because of the monkey that opened this thread. Nobody tore anybody to shreds. They both behaved like cry babies. It's very funny. If that's what you call tear to shreds then I pity you.

OP...I seriously understand your plight and to be frank,its true that people view Ishan and Isoko as Igbos.. And these tribes subconsciously reinforce that image by adopting Igbo names and mannerisms but I assure you that my people know where our border lies.
Even if it comes to that, we might guarantee the integrity of the Oba's territories and ensure that no matter what happens, the Bini, Isha, Sobo, Jekri and the Kukuruku tribes remain under the sovereignty of the Oba.
There's no cause for alarm

pazienza:


The same Nigerian Nostalgic project facebook page where Osita mordi tore the Bini worshiping Mgbejiume known in naira land as Agbontae to shreds?

That mgbejiume guy tells lies like a child! habaa
Just like this Cire80 guy and gerg his cohort, they'd try to twist everything to fit their Bini narrative.. Even though nothing concern Bini for the matter
Just like osita too I just told him to grow up when I got tired of schooling his dumbass
Moreover from the way he was sounding it didn't take me long to figure out that he was the irresponsible agbontae of NL

Cire80:
That's not the point. The reason I mentioned that is because of the monkey that opened this thread. Nobody tore anybody to shreds. They both behaved like cry babies. It's very funny. If that's what you call tear to shreds then I pity you.

So you are the Nosa Edo guy there?

You know, the unexplained total absence of the usual Bini monikers who besieged Western Igbo threads like Bokohalal, Ezotik, Lordbolton and the emergence of this your Cire80 moniker claiming Anioma is not lost on anyone here.
The witch cries in the night and the child dies in the morning, coincidence? I don't think so.

Anyway, Agbontae got murdered on that page, he started off speaking for Anioma, Osita cut him to size, he started claiming that he speaks for only Ika, Osita again cornered him and he started saying that he doesn't care about Ika, that he cared only about Owa, and again Osita cornered him and reminded him of Obi of Owa book where he re emphasized the Nri origin of his ancestors and Agbontae was left throwing shades up and down on Igbodo and Ute Okpu plus other Ika communities, tagging them Aniocha towns in bid to get at Osita who is a native of Igbodo.

You know someone had lost an argument when they leave issues of discuss and focus on ad hominem attacks.

for those who want to see, here is a link to that Facebook page:

https://m./142387942535037?view=permalink&id=1238111869629300

pazienza:


So you are the Nosa Edo guy there?

You know, the unexplained total absence of the usual Bini monikers who besieged Western Igbo threads like Bokohalal, Ezotik, Lordbolton and the emergence of this your Cire80 moniker claiming Anioma is not lost on anyone here.
The witch cries in the night and the child dies in the morning, coincidence? I don't think so.

Anyway, Agbontae got murdered on that page, he started off speaking for Anioma, Osita cut him to size, he started claiming that he speaks for only Ika, Osita again cornered him and he started saying that he doesn't care about Ika, that he cared only about Owa, and again Osita cornered him and reminded him of Obi of Owa book where he re emphasized the Nri origin of his ancestors and Agbontae was left throwing shades up and down on Igbodo and Ute Okpu plus other Ika communities, tagging them Aniocha towns in bid to get at Osita who is a native of Igbodo.

You know someone had lost an argument when they leave issues of discuss and focus on ad hominem attacks.

for those who want to see, here is a link to that Facebook page:

https://m./142387942535037?view=permalink&id=1238111869629300

You may think whatever you want. Link me to anybody you like. No problem. But as for Osita and Mgbejiume, they both have beef with each other from way back and wherever they meet, they always have a face off. Nobody cut the other to size. They both argued and fought like babies without making any point. FYI, same way I respect RedboneSmith is same way I respect Osita Mordi. Though I have a different opinion from them some times, I respect the way they present their facts. They're all Anioma brothers and everybody is entitled to their opinion. Except for that encounter with Mgbejiume. That was very childish

Cire80:
You may think whatever you want. Link me to anybody you like. No problem. But as for Osita and Mgbejiume, they both have beef with each other from way back and they and wherever they meet, they always have a face off. Nobody cut the other to size. They both argued and fought like babies without making any point. FYI, same way I respect RedboneSmith is same way I respect Osita Mordi. Though I have a different opinion from them some times, I respect the way they present their facts. They're all Anioma brothers and everybody is entitled to their opinion. Except for that encounter with Mgbejiume. That was very childish

Lol! There was no argument there. Just Osita schooling him as usual and edifying the rest of us in the process citing veritable research materials. It has always been that way from the day's of Naijabestforum to Nairaland when Osita was under the Ogbuefi moniker.
Osita had always been voraciously pro Igbo. An he is always going to defend the integrity of his Igbodo hometown from illiterates like Mgbejiume who always resort to denigrating Igbodo whenever he loses out on issue of discuss with Osita.

Cire80:
go and join Nigeria Nostalgia project - pre Independence Nigeria. It's a Facebook group. Even the major Bini historian, Nosa Uwaila and other Edos said times without number that Esans are not Edo prompting an Esan girl on that group to open a thread on that topic.

You can as well join Edo Political world on Facebook and see how Ika is solidly represented on that group. Stop saying what you don't know. Ekpons are not Ika. They are Esan. They speak Ika but all their cultures are Esans. Ika on the other hand have mostly Bini cultures. And those deities you talked about exist in Ika land. You're the most ignorant person I've ever come across on Facebook. All your comments don't make a single sense. Just expressing emotions instead of trying to make sense.

I am on those pages. Ika people are not edo or esan or whatever fantasy they're living in. Even illushi people in esan land bear Igbo names but they are not esan. We esan people see them as settling tribes and that's it. They should not annex themselves into our bible history. They're simply Igbo people who don't know it.

Esan, Afemai and bini are Benin people.

Ika, anioma, etc they are pure igbos. Igbo kwenu!

cheruv:
OP...I seriously understand your plight and to be frank,its true that people view Ishan and Isoko as Igbos.. And these tribes subconsciously reinforce that image by adopting Igbo names and mannerisms but I assure you that my people know where our border lies.
Even if it comes to that, we might guarantee the integrity of the Oba's territories and ensure that no matter what happens, the Bini, Isha, Sobo, Jekri and the Kukuruku tribes remain under the sovereignty of the Oba.
There's no cause for alarm

Esan tribe does not bear Igbo names. It's these Igbo people that have settled in esan land that carry Igbo names. What's worse is that those fools are now calling themselves esan. This is why I want the oba to banish them kia kia. The ika and anioma and igbanke people same with the ekpon people. All are igbos and must leave esan land before they erode our culture. That's what igbos do best. Come into peoples lands and try to take over. They tried to do it in ekiti.

Monkeydeychop:


Esan tribe does not bear Igbo names. It's these Igbo people that have settled in esan land that carry Igbo names. What's worse is that those fools are now calling themselves esan. This is why I want the oba to banish them kia kia. The ika and anioma and igbanke people same with the ekpon people. All are igbos and must leave esan land before they erode our culture. That's what igbos do best. Come into peoples lands and try to take over. They tried to do it in ekiti.

Are you the Remi Omoruyi person on that Nigeria Nostalgia page?

Monkeydeychop:



I am on those pages. Ika people are not edo or esan or whatever fantasy they're living in. Even illushi people in esan land bear Igbo names but they are not esan. We esan people see them as settling tribes and that's it. They should not annex themselves into our bible history. They're simply Igbo people who don't know it.

Esan, Afemai and bini are Benin people.

Ika, anioma, etc they are pure igbos. Igbo kwenu!

you're the most confused soul on Nairaland. Now you're not just Edo but Bini? Wow.

RedboneSmith:


Are you the Remi Omoruyi person on that Nigeria Nostalgia page?

Yes he is. I wanted to say it but just didn't want to try any exposure on Nairaland.

RedboneSmith:


Are you the Remi Omoruyi person on that Nigeria Nostalgia page?

No but I saw the post and raised an alarm. The kid asked me questions so I thought I'd shed light on it here. I am abiodun Alonge on the group.

Cire80:
Yes he is. I wanted to say it but just didn't want to try any exposure on Nairaland.

You're not esan you're ika don't falsify our history. Nowhere in esan history is ika mentioned. They're a tribe from delta hence the proximity between them and agbor!

Monkeydeychop:


No but I saw the post and raised an alarm. The kid asked me questions so I thought I'd shed light on it here. I am abiodun Alonge on the group.

I saw Abiodun Alonge's comment on Naij.com (Oduduwa republic article)
Who is Omoruyi?

YourNemesis:


I saw Abiodun Alonge's comment on Naij.com (Oduduwa republic article)
Who is Omoruyi?

Omoruyi? The kid? I don't know?

Monkeydeychop:


No but I saw the post and raised an alarm. The kid asked me questions so I thought I'd shed light on it here. I am abiodun Alonge on the group.

Okay.Why are you guys angry about a certain Esan person called Nkechi when you and many of your cohorts have Yoruba first names? Isn't that hypocritical?