Atheists need to establish one thing first. That is, if the Author of the Quran is Man or God (supernatural being). The Quran was revealed 1400 years ago. Now, an atheist would confidently say that the author of the Quran is man. Muslims and the Quran itself claims “Allah” (God) is the Author.

Question atheist needs to ask him or herself is if it is possible for man (Muhammad) to have authored the Quran. For Muslims, they can easily hit atheists with a few points to ponder upon:

1. Life in the universe is water based. More than half your body weight is water. Animals and plants on Earth are mostly water. All life in our universe also needs water. When scientists search for life on exoplanets they only look for planets with water; No water no life.

However Muslims knew about this 1400 years before it was discovered. [Quran 21.30]

Do not those who disbelieve see that the heavens and the Earth were meshed together then We ripped them apart? And then We made of water everything living? Would they still not believe? In the Quran all life, on Earth and in the heaven, depends on water. How could an illiterate man who lived 1400 years ago have known that all life in the universe also needs water?

Water covers about 71% of Earth's surface. This is also the same ratio the word "Sea" and word "Land" appear in the Quran. "Sea" 32 times and "Land" 13 times. The ratio of "Sea" to the total (Sea + Land) = 32/(32+13) = 71%. How does an atheist respond? TBA…

2. Earth is a rotating sphere The Quran says that God spread out the Earth meaning increase in surface area during formation. 'Madda' in Arabic means 'spread out', however it was mistranslated to 'flat'.

Flat in Arabic is "musattah" and its verb (to make flat) is "sataha" however neither were used in the entire Quran. The Quran says that God spread out Earth, that is, increased the surface area. Our solar system is 4.57 billion years old. Earth started accreting concurrently with the sun and our neighbouring planets 4.57 bln years ago. However during the accretion process the radius of Earth was not spontaneously 6400 km; but rather started a few kilometers long and progressively increased.

But the surface area is a function of the radius, that is, as the radius increases the surface area increases (surface area = 4pR2). So the Quran correctly described the surface area as increasing. (This is contrary to the Christian Bible where the creation of Earth was spontaneous.)

Let the atheists think about these two points from the Quran. Let them come to a conclusion if these were possible by man to come up with in a desert, 1400 years ago.

Do not ignore..

lfleak:
Atheists need to establish one thing first. That is, if the Author of the Quran is Man or God (supernatural being). The Quran was revealed 1400 years ago. Now, an atheist would confidently say that the author of the Quran is man. Muslims and the Quran itself claims “Allah” (God) is the Author.

Question atheist needs to ask him or herself is if it is possible for man (Muhammad) to have authored the Quran. For Muslims, they can easily hit atheists with a few points to ponder upon:

Muhammad just like Ezekiel and Enoch go their knowledge from Extratterestrials. I think Enoch was the most intelligent of the 3 I mentioned, reason being he did actually understand that the beings weren't gods. He saw them as being who gained knowledge over a period of time, hence his book was considered too dangerous and left out of the bible. The reason they took him with them because he was too intelligent to be human.

Muhammad was a good tool. He objectified the term God and was used to create a movement, a religion that could control the minds of billions of followers. That was a great achievement! To control the people, you must control their minds.

Humans are fascinated by the stars and our inquisitive nature yearns to know how the moon got there. Since they had limited knowledge it was easy to use someone like Muhammad to push the knowledge of human to a particular direction where they end up not getting the knowledge but acknowledging that someone superior to them holds the key life and death,he created them and they must worship him. That is a phycological conquest. Mohammed was a tool in achieving that.

1. Life in the universe is water based. More than half your body weight is water. Animals and plants on Earth are mostly water. All life in our universe also needs water. When scientists search for life on exoplanets they only look for planets with water; No water no life.

However Muslims knew about this 1400 years before it was discovered. [Quran 21.30]

Water covers about 71% of Earth's surface. This is also the same ratio the word "Sea" and word "Land" appear in the Quran. "Sea" 32 times and "Land" 13 times. The ratio of "Sea" to the total (Sea + Land) = 32/(32+13) = 71%. How does an atheist respond? TBA…

Life in the universe being water based is no reason to acknowledge Allah or and form of Gods. Our today's scientists who study the science of the universe haven't discovered 20% of SCIENCE itself. They are on the right path. But like I said, it is no big deal if it was written in the Muslim's holy book, the author claimed to have travelled on a flying horse ( spacecraft) and obviously he must have seen the earth like you would if your toured the world on an airplane.

2. Earth is a rotating sphere The Quran says that God spread out the Earth meaning increase in surface area during formation. 'Madda' in Arabic means 'spread out', however it was mistranslated to 'flat'.

Flat in Arabic is "musattah" and its verb (to make flat) is "sataha" however neither were used in the entire Quran. The Quran says that God spread out Earth, that is, increased the surface area. Our solar system is 4.57 billion years old. Earth started accreting concurrently with the sun and our neighbouring planets 4.57 bln years ago. However during the accretion process the radius of Earth was not spontaneously 6400 km; but rather started a few kilometers long and progressively increased.

But the surface area is a function of the radius, that is, as the radius increases the surface area increases (surface area = 4pR2). So the Quran correctly described the surface area as increasing. (This is contrary to the Christian Bible where the creation of Earth was spontaneous.)

Let the atheists think about these two points from the Quran. Let them come to a conclusion if these were possible by man to come up with in a desert, 1400 years ago.

The Quran just like the Bible were written by men who had encounters with people from the other end of the world. There is no big deal about these books unless you make it a big deal.

There are more than 100+ of proofs of God existence in the Quran.. Also in the Bible...
But the atheist are so blind...

Apparently, that is the worst person ... Those who see the proof of God's existence and deny it..

Also in the Quran God mentioned the development of human from the semen of the male and womb of the female ... All with specified with time... But No, the atheist will rather compare to why God makes their parents poor while he can make them rich..

Op nice quotes though...

ifenes:


Muhammad just like Ezekiel and Enoch go their knowledge from Extratterestrials. I think Enoch was the most intelligent of the 3 I mentioned, reason being he did actually understand that the beings weren't gods. He saw them as being who gained knowledge over a period of time, hence his book was considered too dangerous and left out of the bible. The reason they took him with them because he was too intelligent to be human.

Muhammad was a good tool. He objectified the term God and was used to create a movement, a religion that could control the minds of billions of followers. That was a great achievement! To control the people, you must control their minds.

Humans are fascinated by the stars and our inquisitive nature yearns to know how the moon got there. Since they had limited knowledge it was easy to use someone like Muhammad to push the knowledge of human to a particular direction where they end up not getting the knowledge but acknowledging that someone superior to them holds the key life and death,he created them and they must worship him. That is a phycological conquest. Mohammed was a tool in achieving that.







Life in the universe being water based is no reason to acknowledge Allah or and form of Gods. Our today's scientists who study the science of the universe haven't discovered 20% of SCIENCE itself. They are on the right path. But like I said, it is no big deal if it was written in the Muslim's holy book, the author claimed to have travelled on a flying horse ( spacecraft) and obviously he must have seen the earth like you would if your toured the world on an airplane.




The Quran just like the Bible were written by men who had encounters with people from the other end of the world. There is no big deal about these books unless you make it a big deal.

And here they come..

Always creating new words to suite their misfit...

Which one is extraterrestrial again.. You dump supernatural.. You take another one up...

So what your proof Enoch, Muhammad, Ezekiel had experience with the extraterrestrials...

Waiting..

ifenes:


Muhammad just like Ezekiel and Enoch go their knowledge from Extratterestrials. I think Enoch was the most intelligent of the 3 I mentioned, reason being he did actually understand that the beings weren't gods. He saw them as being who gained knowledge over a period of time, hence his book was considered too dangerous and left out of the bible. The reason they took him with them because he was too intelligent to be human.

Muhammad was a good tool. He objectified the term God and was used to create a movement, a religion that could control the minds of billions of followers. That was a great achievement! To control the people, you must control their minds.

Humans are fascinated by the stars and our inquisitive nature yearns to know how the moon got there. Since they had limited knowledge it was easy to use someone like Muhammad to push the knowledge of human to a particular direction where they end up not getting the knowledge but acknowledging that someone superior to them holds the key life and death,he created them and they must worship him. That is a phycological conquest. Mohammed was a tool in achieving that.







Life in the universe being water based is no reason to acknowledge Allah or and form of Gods. Our today's scientists who study the science of the universe haven't discovered 20% of SCIENCE itself. They are on the right path. But like I said, it is no big deal if it was written in the Muslim's holy book, the author claimed to have travelled on a flying horse ( spacecraft) and obviously he must have seen the earth like you would if your toured the world on an airplane.




The Quran just like the Bible were written by men who had encounters with people from the other end of the world. There is no big deal about these books unless you make it a big deal.

Lol..sorry sir. Are you an atheist.? If yes..can you listen to yourself again..

updatemachine:
There are more than 100+ of proofs of God existence in the Quran.. Also in the Bible...
But the atheist are so blind...

Apparently, that is the worst person ... Those who see the proof of God's existence and deny it..

Also in the Quran God mentioned the development of human from the semen of the male and womb of the female ... All with specified with time... But No, the atheist will rather compare to why God makes their parents poor while he can make them rich..

Op nice quotes though...

thanks!

updatemachine:

And here they come..

Always creating new words to suite their misfit...

Which one is extraterrestrial again.. You dump supernatural.. You take another one up...

So what your proof Enoch, Muhammad, Ezekiel had experience with the extraterrestrials...

Waiting..

You should use google rather than ask me. Google the book of Enoch and read the story of Ezikiel's encounter with the Wheel. It is not my duty to educate you on that sorry.

ifenes:


You should use google rather than ask me. Google the book of Enoch and read the story of Ezikiel's encounter with the Wheel. It is not my duty to educate you on that sorry.

do you believe in supernatural stuffs..? Juju...and the likes..?

lfleak:


Lol..sorry sir. Are you an atheist.? If yes..can you listen to yourself again..

What has being an Atheist got to do with it? Time travel, technology, spacecraft are all part of Science. I'm not acknowledging a god, I'm simply saying those men had encounters with Time travelers/ ETs. Einstein himself acknowledge the possibility of time travel. Is it possible for a person who lives in 4000 AD to travel back in time? Yes very possible! Can they meet with their ancestors and try to reshape the future? yes very possible! Perhaps the person who had an encounter with such a person will see him as a god? Yes it's possible. There comes Allah.

I'm sorry if this is too much for you.

updatemachine:
do you believe in supernatural stuffs..? Juju...and the likes..?

I can explain them. Humans call them juju but I call them ancient Alchemy formulas that can be used to manipulate time and realities. Future science will explain it better.

ifenes:


What has being an Atheist got to do with it? Time travel, technology, spacecraft are all part of Science. I'm not acknowledging a god, I'm simply saying those men had encounters with Time travelers/ ETs. Einstein himself acknowledge the possibility of time travel. Is it possible for a person who lives in 4000 AD to travel back in time? Yes very possible! Can they meet with their ancestors and try to reshape the future? yes very possible! Perhaps the person who had an encounter with such a person will see him as a god? Yes it's possible. There comes Allah.

I'm sorry if this is too much for you.

Just want to know so I will know where to direct the interaction..

Time travell..?
Yea..I belief in it has it occurred 4 times as recorded in the Quran..you can look them up

Parable of the Hamlet of Ruins
Story of the Sleepers of the cave
Throne of Sheeba (Saba)
The Night Journey (Isra wal Miraj)

My point of opening this thread is still open o..
You mean all the proofs of God existence in the Quran has to do with extraterrestrial..? That's more ridiculous than most previous atheists claims...
The only living creature existing are: Man and Jinn

ifenes:


I can explain them. Humans call them juju but I call them ancient Alchemy formulas that can be used to manipulate time and realities. Future science will explain it better.

the question is requires a YES OR NO answer...

Future science..? Then Africans are way ahead of the whites scientists.. Ryt..?

lfleak:


Just want to know so I will know where to direct the interaction..

Time travell..?
Yea..I belief in it has it occurred 4 times as recorded in the Quran..you can look them up

Parable of the Hamlet of Ruins
Story of the Sleepers of the cave
Throne of Sheeba (Saba)
The Night Journey (Isra wal Miraj)

My point of opening this thread is still open o..
You mean all the proofs of God existence in the Quran has to do with extraterrestrial..? That's more ridiculous than most previous atheists claims...
The only living creature existing are: Man and Jinn

Sweet,I look up those Time Travel stories! thanks.

updatemachine:
the question is requires a YES OR NO answer...

Future science..? Then Africans are way ahead of the whites scientists.. Ryt..?

Yes they are! But it has been left in the hand of the uneducated. What Africa has is "pure gold". It is the key to creating the mental paradise we all crave for.

ifenes:


Yes they are! But it has been left in the hand of the uneducated. What Africa has is "pure gold". It is the key to creating the mental paradise we all crave for.

are you really an atheist..? Just doubting...

For me... I believe in sorcery unlike most atheist here on NL... In the Quran also... Its a grave sin to use sorcery to manipulate stuffs...

Good though..

;Doing

updatemachine:
are you really an atheist..? Just doubting...

For me... I believe in sorcery unlike most atheist here on NL... In the Quran also... Its a grave sin to use sorcery to manipulate stuffs...

Good though..

I know there is no God as religion believes. And talking about juju and sorcery, these are part of universal science and knowledge. I see nothing wrong in understanding how they work. Atheism is disbelieve in suprem gods, it's not really an identity.

their eyes are not blind, but their hearts are...

updatemachine:
their eyes are not blind, but their hearts are...

yea.. They keep avoiding ..

So mathematically will there be 77 virgins for every terrorist
Also mathematically calculated the number of wives the pedophile Mohammed married along with how many of them were underage

I wonder how this verifies Islam
You people have started drinking camel piss like your warmonger prophet

jonbellion:
So mathematically will there be 77 virgins for every terrorist
Also mathematically calculated the number of wives the pedophile Mohammed married along with how many of them were underage

Christians!

Avoided the basis of the thread...
And sprang out with hard words...

Seek knowledge!

jonbellion:
I wonder how this verifies Islam
You people have started drinking camel piss like your warmonger prophet

typical xtian
Deny them..

updatemachine:
typical xtian
Deny them..

I'm an agnostic not Christian oo both religions are poo
But Islam is slightly worse

jonbellion:
I'm an agnostic not Christian oo both religions are poo
But Islam is slightly worse

actually this is what most xtians say when they are toppled.. but if truly you are; are those things deniable..?

lfleak:
Atheists need to establish one thing first. That is, if the Author of the Quran is Man or God (supernatural being). The Quran was revealed 1400 years ago. Now, an atheist would confidently say that the author of the Quran is man. Muslims and the Quran itself claims “Allah” (God) is the Author.

Question atheist needs to ask him or herself is if it is possible for man (Muhammad) to have authored the Quran. For Muslims, they can easily hit atheists with a few points to ponder upon:

1. Life in the universe is water based. More than half your body weight is water. Animals and plants on Earth are mostly water. All life in our universe also needs water. When scientists search for life on exoplanets they only look for planets with water; No water no life.

However Muslims knew about this 1400 years before it was discovered. [Quran 21.30]

Water covers about 71% of Earth's surface. This is also the same ratio the word "Sea" and word "Land" appear in the Quran. "Sea" 32 times and "Land" 13 times. The ratio of "Sea" to the total (Sea + Land) = 32/(32+13) = 71%. How does an atheist respond? TBA…

2. Earth is a rotating sphere The Quran says that God spread out the Earth meaning increase in surface area during formation. 'Madda' in Arabic means 'spread out', however it was mistranslated to 'flat'.

Flat in Arabic is "musattah" and its verb (to make flat) is "sataha" however neither were used in the entire Quran. The Quran says that God spread out Earth, that is, increased the surface area. Our solar system is 4.57 billion years old. Earth started accreting concurrently with the sun and our neighbouring planets 4.57 bln years ago. However during the accretion process the radius of Earth was not spontaneously 6400 km; but rather started a few kilometers long and progressively increased.

But the surface area is a function of the radius, that is, as the radius increases the surface area increases (surface area = 4pR2). So the Quran correctly described the surface area as increasing. (This is contrary to the Christian Bible where the creation of Earth was spontaneous.)

Let the atheists think about these two points from the Quran. Let them come to a conclusion if these were possible by man to come up with in a desert, 1400 years ago.

Not all Ancient people were illogical. The Greeks, Romans, Axums and Arabs to least some, were logical. After the fall of Rome to the 15th century, logical was lost to the westerns, but not to the Arabs. The Quran was written not only based on fantasy, but also on logic. There were many outstanding Arab scholars at the time of Quran writing. They could have a say on the writing of Quran. Most religions were formed not only as a system for the God/gods, but also to unit the people by telling them logical things also.

Hati13:

Not all Ancient people were illogical. The Greeks, Romans, Axums and Arabs to least some, were logical. After the fall of Rome to the 15th century, logical was lost to the westerns, but not to the Arabs. The Quran was written not only based on fantasy, but also on logic. There were many outstanding Arab scholars at the time of Quran writing. They could have a say on the writing of Quran. Most religions were formed not only as a system for the God/gods, but also to unit the people by telling them logical things also.

so you means 14 hundreds years ago.. Someone could deduce these in the mid of the hot desert..?
C'mon b logical..

lfleak:
so you means 14 hundreds years ago.. Someone could deduce these in the mid of the hot desert..?
C'mon b logical..

Why not! They hadn't told us in details like today, but some of them know the basic. Don't you believe the works of Aristotle, Socrates, Pluto and many others were there? Do you think there works were given to them by the so called God/gods? If that is how you think, then be logical like you had referred me.

Look bro, I don't what to argue with you, since we both believe in 2 very different things. I understand what you are trying to say and I appreciate it. Peace and love!

Take care!

lots of atheist skemping