Icon4s:


That is why we need that AFCON qualifiers game against Seychelles. We start Ebuehi and Idowu and they are capped for life.

After that Seychelles game there is no other full international debut opportunity before the world cup.

Pinnick should go and withdraw that his proposal to CAF.

BascoVanVeli:


After watching the match again I don't think we were that poor. The boys really were unlucky to go 2 goals down because I don't see anything special in what Argentina played. I am not sure that the second goal wasn't offside in the build up and Akpeyi's really was a freak accident.

Mujtahida:


This is either sophistry on your path or your misconceptions or we are using the same words to talk about different things because for me set up means tactical formation while personel means the players. Both the personel and the tactical formation must match if a coach's strategy must pay off. So Please how can the bolded be done because what I see is just words flying around.

It's simple Bro. Rohr simply brought in Ebuehi and Idowu and that changed the game. The set up, the formation remained the same. The approach in terms of formation and tactics remained the same whether conservative or radical. Rather perhaps you mean to say he removed the 'Conservative' Shehu and Aina and brought in the 'offensive' Ebuehi and Idowu.

Mujtahida:

Na we been dey cry say Rohr dey 'conservative' oo.(I know you didn't sha)

TheGoodJoe:


You must not change formation to change the team's set-up. I have already explained to you that you can play the same formation with a different set-up through change in personnel.


The point is too clear.

Humility017:
can't we play afcon qualifiers and friendly match same week in Match... at least play one on Friday the other on Tuesday....?

Mujtahida:

What is formation what is set up? Are they not the same thing biko? It's just like saying you must not change the system to change the team's method. It's tautology Bro. Unless you have your own special definition of the words 'set up' and 'formation' because to me they are the same.

Chrismario:


This Sone Aluko, Is he messi?
He has been playing in below par league all his life save for one or two seasons in EPL. If he is so good, he would be in mid table team.

Even if he chosed England, there's higher possibility that he would remain capless till today.

MetalJigsaw:
I know but as far as FIfA is concerned, there is nothing like Central America because there are only two WC qualifying outlet in America: CONCACAF and CONMEBOL so both Peru and Costarica probably qualified from the same outlet so they can't be in the same group unless one from CONCACAF and the other from CONMEBOL, that North and South America. understand

TheGoodJoe:

That is not an assumption. It is more of a suggestion. They should know it is easier to get reached when they declare.

Gerrit?

somehow:
He should move back to Russia, there are top teams there he can play for. I for one don't like he EPL, kills creativity except you find yourself in man city or arsenal not to talk of the championship

terzurum5:

Collin (not Collins) Udoh

TheGoodJoe:


For a start, Balogun declared. I knew we stood a big chance with Aina when he sent kits home and tagged the picture with sending it to his fatherland. We can not reach out to everyone or make a catalogue of those to visit and enquire. The easiest way is to declare.

Mujtahida:

You are talking from your perspective as a naija born but you've not considered their own side, their own fears and inhibitions. You want to manage your fears and shield your ego, while pushing them to face theirs so as to make it easy for you. Joebie calls it lazy. I'd call it cowardly.

We have suggested a better way : let both parties meet and talk. This way everybody's fear-the FB fear of stepping into the unknown waters of a culture he's not familiar with and the NFF' s fear of public rejection and disgrace is well managed and the risks for all minimised.
Is it still difficult to understand?

Icon4s:


That is why we need that AFCON qualifiers game against Seychelles. We start Ebuehi and Idowu and they are capped for life.

After that Seychelles game there is no other full international debut opportunity before the world cup.

Pinnick should go and withdraw that his proposal to CAF.

Mujtahida:

Lazy way is to declare.

Humility017:



i think he has alot of plegmaric character...

he is someone that is not radical and too proactive....

that statement he just made on ebuehi is something else....right now the dude should be cap tied immediately...let Idowu be left alone for the now....till the world cup then he will be cap tied....

Mujtahida:
I just read on OGN that CAF has approved Nigeria's request to move the Afcon qualifiers from March till November 2018

I talk am oo. Ee don happen

tbaba1234:


Rohr is looking to strengthen his team. Idowu and Ebuehi have made the decision to play for Nigeria and i believe they would for a long time. Netherlands were not interested in Ebuehi, Russia was not interested in Idowu.

Humility017:


Netherlands Yet To Give Up On Luring Eagles Latest ‘Oyibo’ Sensation Ebuehi


Dutch journalist Jermain Leitbig says the Netherlands are still hopeful of convincing Super Eagles right full back Tyronne Ebuehi to play for their senior national team.
Born in the Netherlands to Nigerian parents, the ADO Den Haag full back impressed a lot of Nigerians when he came on as a substitute for the Super Eagles in their 4-2 win over Argentina on Tuesday.
Despite playing for Nigeria in that game, he is still eligible to represent Holland and Jermain Leitbig says he will definitely be considered as the Dutch begin a process of rebuilding following failure to qualify for the World Cup in Russia.
” I hope you know he only played in a friendly game for Nigeria, and not a competitive game hence he can still play for the Netherlands. He plays in a position where the Dutch are short of options, so he could be an option”, Leitbig told Owngoalnigeria.com.
” Unless he plays for Nigeria next year, the Netherlands are still in with a chance to convince him, afterall it wasn’t like they didn’t try to stop him when he made the move to switch to Nigeria.

” Let’s wait but for now Nigeria hold the advantage of having him but no doubt Holland will be monitoring his performance for ADO Den Haag. The battle for his future is far from over”.
Ade Emmanuel

source: OGN

TheGoodJoe:

That is not an assumption. It is more of a suggestion. They should know it is easier to get reached when they declare.

Gerrit?

TheGoodJoe:


If you play Sanchez as a top striker in a particular formation and play Giroud as top in the same formation, the game play will be different. That is how personnel affects the play. Set-up is not restricted to just formation alone. You can set-up the team to play in a different manner through personnel changes.

Humility017:


Netherlands Yet To Give Up On Luring Eagles Latest ‘Oyibo’ Sensation Ebuehi


Dutch journalist Jermain Leitbig says the Netherlands are still hopeful of convincing Super Eagles right full back Tyronne Ebuehi to play for their senior national team.
Born in the Netherlands to Nigerian parents, the ADO Den Haag full back impressed a lot of Nigerians when he came on as a substitute for the Super Eagles in their 4-2 win over Argentina on Tuesday.
Despite playing for Nigeria in that game, he is still eligible to represent Holland and Jermain Leitbig says he will definitely be considered as the Dutch begin a process of rebuilding following failure to qualify for the World Cup in Russia.
” I hope you know he only played in a friendly game for Nigeria, and not a competitive game hence he can still play for the Netherlands. He plays in a position where the Dutch are short of options, so he could be an option”, Leitbig told Owngoalnigeria.com.
” Unless he plays for Nigeria next year, the Netherlands are still in with a chance to convince him, afterall it wasn’t like they didn’t try to stop him when he made the move to switch to Nigeria.

” Let’s wait but for now Nigeria hold the advantage of having him but no doubt Holland will be monitoring his performance for ADO Den Haag. The battle for his future is far from over”.
Ade Emmanuel

source: OGN

Mujtahida:

Hahahaha hahahaha hahahaha goodjoe. We are saying the same thing na. He changed the personel to suit the set up. Not all players are suited to a particular set up. Rohr has learnt a vital lesson about our team as far as the 3-5-2 formation is concerned.

TheGoodJoe:


Set-up and formation is not the same thing. You can set up the team with an offensive formation. Meaning you have more offensive players in the build. A good example is a 3-3-4 attacking formation. You can play a 4-4-2 formation and have the team set-up to play offensively or defensively.

A 4-3-3 formation with a defender like Ramos in dmf and two DMFs in the CMF positions will make the formation negative.

Mujtahida:

You are talking from your perspective as a naija born but you've not considered their own side, their own fears and inhibitions. You want to manage your fears and shield your ego, while pushing them to face theirs so as to make it easy for you. Joebie calls it lazy. I'd call it cowardly.

We have suggested a better way : let both parties meet and talk. This way everybody's fear-the FB fear of stepping into the unknown waters of a culture he's not familiar with and the NFF' s fear of public rejection and disgrace is well managed and the risks for all minimised.
Is it still difficult to understand?

TheGoodJoe:


Analysis is making assumptions by watching playing patterns. I even went as far as pointing out our turnover rate to express that we were playing conservatively in the first half. It is something I have sang about repeatedly and called for a more offensive set up.

Rohr played in a conservative manner and Shehu played it well. When Rohr switched to a more offensive set-up, Ebuehi excelled. So I am against tagging Shehu poor because he played well with respect to the set-up.

Do you remember Chelsea playing a similar formation against Manchester City but the set-up was negative.

Mujtahida:

Though I'd do such a thing too but women also like men to fight for their love. It makes them feel they've been 'won'.

TheGoodJoe:


So, the not felling Nigerian crew who are sitting down and want us to do everything for them to play for us are doing it the hard way. Abi?

Let them be waiting for red carpet or Rohr to call and say I have been following you. Because, that is not the lazy way.

Humility017:

so.....oga icon4 you've shifted goal post...
I thought you were among those...still hoping for the young lad to mature up ...supporting rohr keeping ebuehi on the bench.....

sometimes what I have noticed wit my experience elites here on nairaland and beyond is fear to take risks....

just that fear.......
forget all those words of rohr...he never expect ebuehi to play so well....had it been he knew this all this while...he would have played him before now....

TheGoodJoe:


So, the not felling Nigerian crew who are sitting down and want us to do everything for them to play for us are doing it the hard way. Abi?

Let them be waiting for red carpet or Rohr to call and say I have been following you. Because, that is not the lazy way.