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Re: Will The “Great Crowd” Be On Earth When Armageddon Breaks Out? by OYAY(m): 10:07am On Dec 17, 2017
Nice write up and deep biblical research but I will prefer we serve God base on our spiritual conviction and allow God to give verdict instead of faulting or antagonizing others way of worshipping, that is what makes Christianity not to be a religion;but a way of life which converges at the point of everybody believing in the dead and resurrection of our lord Jesus Christ.

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Re: Will The “Great Crowd” Be On Earth When Armageddon Breaks Out? by xaggar(m): 10:13am On Dec 17, 2017
The watchtower did admit that they worshipped in the temple or sanctuary. Read below, the final paragraph from the excerpt of the watchtower magazine you referred to!

"Of course, those proselytes did not serve in the inner courtyard, where the priests performed their duties. And members of the great crowd are not in the inner courtyard of Jehovah’s great spiritual temple, which courtyard represents the condition of perfect, righteous human sonship of the members of Jehovah’s “holy priesthood” while they are on earth. (1 Peter 2:5)

But as the heavenly elder said to John, the great crowd really is in the temple, not outside the temple area in a kind of spiritual Court of the Gentiles. What a privilege that is! And how it highlights the need for each one to maintain spiritual and moral purity at all times!"

If you don't understand English texts please say so and stop trying to justify what you can't seem to understand even when such is clear.

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Re: Will The “Great Crowd” Be On Earth When Armageddon Breaks Out? by davidicke: 10:16am On Dec 17, 2017
0temSapien:
Armaggedon already happened billions of years ago before the homo Erectus era and it destroyed many lives on earth. It destroyed thousands of anakims, dinosaurs, parakreet, mammoths, etc. Armaggedon can no more happen in our physical universe because the gods(Allah, Yahweh) who caused the first Armaggedon are now currently cooling their feet in a spiritual prison where their brothers have captured them in.
. Bros please explain more on this. Any reference online you can direct me to? My thoughts exactly
Re: Will The “Great Crowd” Be On Earth When Armageddon Breaks Out? by Schoolala: 10:18am On Dec 17, 2017
hahaha cult organization, have been a member of jw as an elder for long before I left the organization after doing my proper investigation. an organization that have giving fake prediction and prophecy na that one won teach people about amagedon.
The Jehovah's Witnesses Have a History of Failed Prophecies.

The leaders of the Jehovah's Witnesses claim to speak for Jehovah God with prophetic authority but they have made many prophecies that failed to come true. For example, they predicted that Armageddon and the end of the world would come in 1975. To cover up for this failure, most Jehovah's Witnesses today deny they made this prediction even though it is easily proven from their own literature.1

The Jehovah's Witness organization also predicted that the end of the world would come in 1914, 1915, 1918, 1925 and 1942. They predicted that Abraham, Isaac and Jacob would be resurrected and return to the earth in 1925. They have been wrong every single time.2 The Bible declares that failed prophecy is a mark of a false prophet (Deuteronomy 18:21-22

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Re: Will The “Great Crowd” Be On Earth When Armageddon Breaks Out? by Nobody: 10:18am On Dec 17, 2017
wow!! Nice fairytale shocked Now let's smoke some ganja! maybe it will wake us up from this fairytale dreams. grin

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Re: Will The “Great Crowd” Be On Earth When Armageddon Breaks Out? by DrToche: 10:19am On Dec 17, 2017
emancipate yourselves from mental slavery none but ourselves can free our minds

only the birds have their wings oh...no time to be deceived brothers u should know and not believe...


Bob Marley the great prophet

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Re: Will The “Great Crowd” Be On Earth When Armageddon Breaks Out? by Schoolala: 10:20am On Dec 17, 2017
The Jehovah's Witness Organization Uses Its Authority Abusively.

In spite of its many failed prophecies, the Jehovah's Witness organization teaches that it is the only true religion, and that only its members are true Christians. It claims that no one can learn spiritual truth apart from them. It also teaches that there is salvation only in joining their organization and everyone but Jehovah's Witnesses will be destroyed at Armageddon.

The Jehovah's Witnesses organization demands that its members obey and accept, unquestioningly, every command and biblical interpretation given by the organization.

For example, the Jehovah's Witnesses organization prohibits the use of blood transfusions. Individual Jehovah's Witnesses are expected to die or let their children die, rather than break this command, even though the Scriptures nowhere teach that blood transfusions are wrong. Any Jehovah's Witness that disobeys this rule is told he will be destroyed at the coming of Armageddon — the time of final judgment.

In this way the leaders use fear and intimidation to keep members obedient to the organization. The leaders of the Jehovah's Witnesses have also used their predictions of the end of the world to put fear into the hearts of their followers.

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Re: Will The “Great Crowd” Be On Earth When Armageddon Breaks Out? by Schoolala: 10:23am On Dec 17, 2017
Jehovah's Witnesses teach that eternal life in God's presence is only for a select few. They claim that only a special group of 144,000 Jehovah's Witnesses can be born again and live forever with God in heaven; all other Jehovah's Witnesses stay on earth.

However, the Bible clearly teaches that all those who put their faith in Jesus Christ will have eternal life in the presence of God. The Bible refers to this group as an innumerable multitude: Revelation 7:9, 15 — "After this I looked and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and in front of the Lamb ... they are before the throne of God and serve him day and night in his temple." See also: John 3:15; 5:24;12:26; Ephesians 2:19; Philippians 3:20; Colossians 3:1; Hebrews 3:1; 12:22; 2 Peter 1:10,11.
Re: Will The “Great Crowd” Be On Earth When Armageddon Breaks Out? by Schoolala: 10:24am On Dec 17, 2017
Jehovah's Witnesses deny that human beings have a spirit that exists after death. Instead they teach that like animals, a person's life ceases to exist at death.

However, the Bible clearly teaches that the human spirit continues a conscious existence after death: 2 Corinthians 5:8 — "We are confident, I say, and would prefer to be away from the body and at home with the Lord." See also: Luke 16:19-31; Philippians 1:23-24; Revelation 6:9-11
Re: Will The “Great Crowd” Be On Earth When Armageddon Breaks Out? by Zodiac61(m): 10:25am On Dec 17, 2017
What a load of RUBBISH!!!
The insane rantings of a mad man elevated to something that some so-called sane people take seriously.
It would have been funny but for the fact that some powerful people think that this is true.

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Re: Will The “Great Crowd” Be On Earth When Armageddon Breaks Out? by Schoolala: 10:28am On Dec 17, 2017
In Summary
I find the Watchtower Society practicing their belief that it is proper to deceive people. But they say this really isn’t lying. Why? Because the Society has a different definition of lying than most of us. In their book “AID TO BIBLE UNDERSTANDING” under the word “LIE” we read:
Lying generally involves saying something false to a person who is ENTITLED to know the truth….
While malicious lying is definitely condemned in the Bible, this does not mean that a person is under obligation to divulge truthful information to people who are not entitled to it.
Of course it is the Watchtower leaders that decide WHO deserves to know the truth.

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Re: Will The “Great Crowd” Be On Earth When Armageddon Breaks Out? by xaggar(m): 10:30am On Dec 17, 2017
Of course, those proselytes did not serve in the inner courtyard, where the priests performed their duties. And members of the great crowd are not in the inner courtyard of Jehovah’s great spiritual temple, which courtyard represents the condition of perfect, righteous human sonship of the members of Jehovah’s “holy priesthood” while they are on earth. (1 Peter 2:5)

The (above) excerpt of the watchtower write up was simply stating that during the times of the apostles and the existence of the temple priests, members of the great crowd were not allowed in the inner courtyard of Jehovah's Temple. But in John's message they are.

Only a humble and trustworthy person would admit his errors and even publicly print such for all to see and refer to (the Bible also holds records of men after God's heart who recorded their folly for posterity to learn from).

The truth about tithing is being exposed but would those denomination concerned accept their error and make public their change?

It takes one who loves God to do that.

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Re: Will The “Great Crowd” Be On Earth When Armageddon Breaks Out? by Schoolala: 10:34am On Dec 17, 2017
ChristianFreedo:
Will the “Great Crowd” be on Earth when Armageddon breaks out?

Revelation 7:9, 15: “…look! a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb …That is why they are before the throne of God; and they are rendering him sacred service day and night in his temple …” —New World Translation

For years, Jehovah’s Witnesses have taught that the vast majority of their followers will resurrect to everlasting life upon an Earthly Paradise and that only a select group of 144,000 followers will live and reign with Jesus Christ in Heaven. These two groups of followers are called “the Earthly Class” and “the Heavenly Class.” The “Earthly Class” is also called “the Other Sheep” of John 10:16 and “the Great Crowd” of Revelation 7:9, while the “Heavenly Class” is called “the Little Flock” of Luke 12:32, “the Anointed Class” of 2 Corinthians 1:21-22 and “the 144,000” of Revelation chapters 7 and 14. These terms are used frequently to reinforce this two-class structure of the Watchtower belief system.

This two-class system is so foundational to the beliefs of Jehovah’s Witnesses that Scripture is constantly twisted and reinterpreted to support this ideology. Although there is not a single Scripture that excludes people who are not in the 144,000 group of Revelation 7 and 14 from the “New Covenant” privileges of being “born again,” (John 3:3) spiritually “adopted” into God’s family (Romans 8:14-16), partaking of the “Memorial” or “Lord’s Supper” celebration of Christ’s redemptive sacrifice, looking to Jesus as their “mediator” (1 Timothy 2:5), and the resurrection “hope” of living and reigning with Christ in Heaven, the Watchtower Society imposes an oppressive belief system that denies these basic Christian privileges from the majority of its members. Likewise, the Watchtower Society rejects the literal descriptions given of the 144,000 listed in the only two Scriptural passages that describe this group, namely Revelation 7:3-8 and 14:1-5. These descriptions that the Jehovah’s Witnesses completely deny and distort are as follows:

- The 144,000 are “sealed” on earth during the Great Tribulation (Revelation 7:1-4).
- The 144,000 are Jews from “every tribe” of Israel 1. (Revelation 7:4-8 ).
- The 144,000 will stand with Jesus upon Mount Zion when He begins to rule the earth (Revelation 14:1).
- The 144,000 are “virgin” men who “did not defile themselves with women” (Revelation 14:4).

DOES SCRIPTURE SUPPORT A TWO-CLASS BELIEF SYSTEM?

It is true that the Bible speaks of “two parties” or groups of believers, but these groups are not described as a “Heavenly class” or an “Earthly class”, but rather the difference between “circumcised” Jews and “uncircumcised” non-Jewish nations. Throughout the New Testament, Jews are identified as the “lost sheep” to whom Jesus came with the Good News of His redemption (Matthew 15:22-24). He even commanded His followers at one point to avoid preaching the Kingdom message to the “nations” or “Gentiles” (non-Jews) (Matthew 10:5-7), so that the Jews would have the opportunity to accept it and become the “light of the nations” that God commanded them to be for the salvation of all mankind (Isaiah 49:6; Acts 13:47). It wasn’t until God gave Peter the vision of unclean food at Acts 11, that God opened the door for non-Jews to receive the Good News of the Kingdom (Acts 11:18). This is why the Apostle Paul exclaims:

“Therefore keep bearing in mind that formerly YOU were people of the nations as to flesh; ‘uncircumcision’ YOU were called by that which is called ‘circumcision’ made in the flesh with hands— that YOU were at that particular time without Christ, alienated from the state of Israel and strangers to the covenants of the promise, and YOU had no hope and were without God in the world. But now in union with Christ Jesus YOU who were once far off have come to be near by the blood of the Christ. For he is our peace, he who made the two parties one and destroyed the wall in between that fenced them off.”— Ephesians 2:11-14

Thus, in the context of Scripture, we see that the “two parties” or two groups of people refer strictly to the division between the “Jews” and the “nations” or “Gentiles.” Jesus broke this division down when He paid the price in his “blood” for human sin and “destroyed the wall in between that fenced them off” when He combined His “other sheep” of non-Jewish followers with His “one” flock of Jewish believers. He did this in accordance with His promise at John 10:16:

“And I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; those also I must bring, and they will listen to my voice, and they will become one flock, one shepherd.”

http://www.4jehovah.org/will-the-great-crowd-be-on-earth-when-armageddon-breaks-out/

agent of darkness stop deceiving people with all this cultists teaching. teach people about salvation and not all this amagedon that jw culture invented to put fear in the mind of it members.
Re: Will The “Great Crowd” Be On Earth When Armageddon Breaks Out? by otokx(m): 10:34am On Dec 17, 2017
What is our business with Watchtower?
Re: Will The “Great Crowd” Be On Earth When Armageddon Breaks Out? by xaggar(m): 10:39am On Dec 17, 2017
Schoolala:


agent of darkness stop deceiving people with all this cultists teaching. teach people about salvation and not all this amagedon that jw culture invented to put fear in the mind of it members.

So quick to condemn and insult that you don't even realise that he is on your side and simply saying what you wrote earlier.

You have a prejudiced mind!!!
Re: Will The “Great Crowd” Be On Earth When Armageddon Breaks Out? by charlesotk(m): 10:45am On Dec 17, 2017
omojeesu:


Jehovah Witnesses are wrong, dead Wrong!

144,000 are Jews

The Great Crowd are people from all nations IN CHRIST including Jews who have become converted.

They're raptured and are in heaven before Armegedon the last war before the 1000 yr rule of Christ.

Instead I think your Bible knowledge needs realignment. You are almost there cos some of your statements are correct.
Re: Will The “Great Crowd” Be On Earth When Armageddon Breaks Out? by hardbody: 10:49am On Dec 17, 2017
ExAngel007:
after leaving heaven. I decide to enjoy my stay down here on earth.

heaven is such a boring place with lights and people like me singing repeated songs

Was wondering where we met, now I remember...I came down to earth shortly after you, more fun here i daresay

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Re: Will The “Great Crowd” Be On Earth When Armageddon Breaks Out? by Martin0(m): 10:54am On Dec 17, 2017
gypsey:
wow!! Nice fairytale shocked Now let's smoke some ganja! maybe it will wake us up from this fairytale dreams. grin

Hahahahgringringrin ganja man

Well let smoke some toogrin
Re: Will The “Great Crowd” Be On Earth When Armageddon Breaks Out? by charlesotk(m): 11:02am On Dec 17, 2017
Schoolala:
Jehovah's Witnesses deny that human beings have a spirit that exists after death. Instead they teach that like animals, a person's life ceases to exist at death.

However, the Bible clearly teaches that the human spirit continues a conscious existence after death: 2 Corinthians 5:8 — "We are confident, I say, and would prefer to be away from the body and at home with the Lord." See also: Luke 16:19-31; Philippians 1:23-24; Revelation 6:9-11

It is the Bible that says so not the JW's. Pls read Ecclesiastes 3:19-21.

The Bible further answer your question in Ecclesiastes 9:5,6, 10 and Ecclesiastes 12:7.

Your reference to 1 Cor 5:8 is correct cos Jesus promised that the Little Flock will be raised to heaven to rule with him - Luke 12:32 and Revelation 5:9,10

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Re: Will The “Great Crowd” Be On Earth When Armageddon Breaks Out? by Crixina(f): 11:03am On Dec 17, 2017
0temSapien:
Armaggedon already happened billions of years ago before the homo Erectus era and it destroyed many lives on earth. It destroyed thousands of anakims, dinosaurs, parakreet, mammoths, etc. Armaggedon can no more happen in our physical universe because the gods(Allah, Yahweh) who caused the first Armaggedon are now currently cooling their feet in a spiritual prison where their brothers have captured them in.
nothing wey person no go hear for this world

Looks like everyone has a page in this fictional book.

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Re: Will The “Great Crowd” Be On Earth When Armageddon Breaks Out? by Nobody: 11:13am On Dec 17, 2017
Martin0:


Hahahahgringringrin ganja man

Well let smoke some toogrin
Go Ahead! it clear your head! grin

Abeg! no smoke ganja oo!! no follow me smoke ganja oo!!
Re: Will The “Great Crowd” Be On Earth When Armageddon Breaks Out? by Martin0(m): 11:18am On Dec 17, 2017
gypsey:
Go Ahead! it clear your head! grin
Abeg! no smoke ganja oo!! no follow me smoke ganja oo!!
Why shouldn't I follow u Thought u said it has health benefit
Re: Will The “Great Crowd” Be On Earth When Armageddon Breaks Out? by Soulpower: 11:18am On Dec 17, 2017
Do people still believe this? I wonder if we all read the same scripture.
Re: Will The “Great Crowd” Be On Earth When Armageddon Breaks Out? by 0temSapien: 11:21am On Dec 17, 2017
davidicke:
. Bros please explain more on this. Any reference online you can direct me to? My thoughts exactly
Read that and more from here:
https://www.nairaland.com/2938907/doctrine-ufos/69#63262251
Re: Will The “Great Crowd” Be On Earth When Armageddon Breaks Out? by Nobody: 11:22am On Dec 17, 2017
Martin0:


Why shouldn't I follow u
Thought u said it has health benefit
yes! but you are healthy so you don't NEED It. i smoke it vocationally i don't have any health issues cheesy
Re: Will The “Great Crowd” Be On Earth When Armageddon Breaks Out? by Martin0(m): 11:23am On Dec 17, 2017
gypsey:
yes! but you are healthy so you don't NEED It. i smoke it vocationally i don't have any health issues cheesy

Oh reallyshocked
I can aswell smoke it vocationallygrin
Re: Will The “Great Crowd” Be On Earth When Armageddon Breaks Out? by Nobody: 11:23am On Dec 17, 2017
Crixina:
nothing wey person no go hear for this world

Looks like everyone has a page in this fictional book.
So it Appears!! Oya! write your on page! tongue
Re: Will The “Great Crowd” Be On Earth When Armageddon Breaks Out? by ladychioma: 11:25am On Dec 17, 2017
Good write up .I have learnt something today. God bless the writer for his wonderful teachings.
Re: Will The “Great Crowd” Be On Earth When Armageddon Breaks Out? by paulpery: 11:26am On Dec 17, 2017
You entitled to your opinion. The end shall tell
Re: Will The “Great Crowd” Be On Earth When Armageddon Breaks Out? by Nobody: 11:31am On Dec 17, 2017
Martin0:


Oh reallyshocked
I can aswell smoke it vocationallygrin
Alrite! then!! make sure your brains are not light, grin and you know the weather is hot in naija.

one time i was in nigeria and i gave some one £40 to buy me some ganja because i didn't know were to get them, he came back with nealy 2 kilo of ganja! i was like what?! shocked grin i could plant a whole acre of land with the £40 Igboo!! and he even confessed that i was £25 worth as he used £15 for okada and Apriko!! grin
Re: Will The “Great Crowd” Be On Earth When Armageddon Breaks Out? by Ever8054: 11:34am On Dec 17, 2017
Dongreat:
There’s no amargeddon mate. The day you die then your world dies. Keep waiting for a pale man in horse to fight fight a three headed beast.

How people of today believe these tales makes me wonder and question sanity herself.
and honestly how some of you don't believe these things do not baffle me course you guys have refuse to make use of your God given intelligence...

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