richeeyo:
Nothing special would happen
Than occupying West banks the more

DrMuzungu:
Trump didn't declare Jerusalem the capital of Israel and he has no authority to do it anyway. What he did was to recognize it as the capital, already declared as such by the government of Israel and decided to move the US embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem.

Thegospelman:


But do you know that UN has not recognized Jerusalem as the capital of Israel until now even though Israel has already declared it as its capital? up till now the city of Jerusalem has been a shared territory between Palestine and Israel. Even many of the world leaders like Russia, Saudi Arabia, Turkey etc are already condemning the Trump move. Since Trump as US president is seen as world leader, we must also know he is capable doing just what he has said. let us watch out and see

DrMuzungu:


That is beyond the point. I was commenting only on the headline that Trump has declared it a capital of Izrael. He is not a president/prime minister or even a citizen of Israel and has no authority whatsoever to do it. He has recognized (not declared!!!) it as the capital, that is all.

dalaman:
The deluded end of days christian enthusiasts are already celebrating.

hitman2911:
@op please for your information, the surviving part of the old temple does not have any ark of covenant. It was destroyed or taken away by the Romans after the death of Jesus around 70AD.
The muslim also invaded Jerusalem and turned the temple into the second most important mosque in the islamic world.

fellowman:


and it has been 1,985 years since Jesus died.
I'm beginning to think the anti Christ is here already. destroyed the temple,

hitman2911:
@op please for your information, the surviving part of the old temple does not have any ark of covenant. It was destroyed or taken away by the Romans after the death of Jesus around 70AD.
The muslim also invaded Jerusalem and turned the temple into the second most important mosque in the islamic world.

Thegospelman:


There has been controversy about the location of the Ark of the Covenant. Ethiopia, France, Rome, Southern Africa etc have all said that Ark is in their possession. Can the Ark of the Covenant be there? The answer is No, Israel does not mind to destroy any country that dare to touch the Ark. Ethiopia Orthodox Tewahedo Church is one the religious organizations that claim to be with Ark. Maybe you don't understand how important the Ark is to Jews. But the truth is that the Ark is buried somewhere in a cave in Mount Nebo. I said before when Israel regains it territory, and Jerusalem becomes their eternal and undivided capital, they will put back the Ark to temple. And as said also, the temple will be destroyed with everything inside there. Yes, Now we see that the Temple is a holy place for both Jews and muslims because Jerusalem is still a shared territory.

hitman2911:
@op please for your information, the surviving part of the old temple does not have any ark of covenant. It was destroyed or taken away by the Romans after the death of Jesus around 70AD.
The muslim also invaded Jerusalem and turned the temple into the second most important mosque in the islamic world.

Thegospelman:
Better for the world peace? Do you think so? But far from being that, Jerusalem being the capital of Israel will certainly bring troubles and intense sufferings for Israel in the near future.

petra1:


Yes you're partially right . Jerusalem will be surrounded world army for invastion buy according to scripture . The antichrist will stop the war . And facilitate the 7year peace accord with the Palestinians . Jerusalem It will not be invaded yet . This will usher in the 7 year tribulation . But the rapture would have taken place . Jestulsaem will be attacked after 3/12 years [left][/left]

Thegospelman:

No, not at all! All the saints of God will witness the Great Tribulation but only for about 3 and half years.

Unless a saint dies before the advent of the antichrist he will surely suffer under the antichrist authority, that's the will of God for us to defend our faith with our death. For antichrist will martyr almost all the saints for their refusal to worship him and receive his mark. Let's open the Bible now "Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake."(Matthew 24:9) and again let's go to book of Revelation Then one of the elders answered, saying to me, “Who are these arrayed in white robes, and where did they come from?” And I said to him, “Sir, you know.” So he said to me, “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."(Revelation 7:13-14 One of the elders explained to John who the multitude of people John saw were. He said they were the saints martyred by the antichrist. Rapture cannot come until antichrist authority killed almost all the saints, for only very few saints will survive it and when Christ comes both those who were martyred by the antichrist and the surviving saints will be changed into a new body and resurrected and raptured. Let's see what the Revelation says about rapture "but in the days of the sounding of the seventh angel, when he is about to sound, the mystery of God would be finished, as He declared to His servants the prophets."(Revelation 10:7) Here Bible says rapture will occur when the seventh angel is about to sound the seventh trumpet. That's what it means by the mystery of God would be finished please download these books to read the exegesis on the book of Revelation. Click to download: Book I https://drive.google.com/uc?authuser=0&id=0B8wCbx7jt6ZJYTdGVWhRUkI0UDQ&export=download
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petra1:


No no no . I don’t agree with you . Of course I know that there are three schools of thoughts on the tribulation and rapture but I tell you the pre tribulation rapture is the scriptural one .



There are about 6 raptures . You’re only referring to one of them . There’s is the first rapture before tribulation . There is mid tribulation rapture of some people like the man child and the 2 witnesses etc

Thegospelman:

There's one and only one rapture. Concerning the two olive trees ( also known as the two lampstands or two witnesses) as recorded in Revelation 11. What actually takes takes place is not rapture but rather it is resurrection it is written [b]"Now after the three-and-a-half days the breath of life from God entered them, and they stood on their feet, and great fear fell on those who saw them. And they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, “Come up here.” And they ascended to heaven in a cloud, and their enemies saw them

petra1:


That’s a rapture na. Enoch , Elijah , Jesus , saints , 2 witnesses . It’s all raptured


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Thegospelman:

So to you, rapture is synonymous with resurrection, because the Bible says through the resurrection of Jesus Christ saints also have hope of resurrection. So it is no longer the 'resurrection of Jesus Christ' but the 'rapture of Jesus Christ'?

Please build your faith on the word of God and not on theologians

When we talk about rapture it is nothing else but coming back of Jesus Christ to take up all the saints dead or alive. If Enoch and Elijah were taken up by God does it mean that rapture has taken place? Those events happened so believers in the gospel of water and the Spirit might believe that God is capable of resurrecting us. In other words it is actually a sign and proof of resurrection and not rapture.

petra1:


Jesus was still on the earth for about a month after resurrection before he ascended .



You need that counsel dear .



Elijah was caught up , Enoch was caught up . That's what rapture is .

petra1:


Jesus was still on the earth for about a month after resurrection before he ascended .



You need that counsel dear .



Elijah was caught up , Enoch was caught up . That's what rapture is .

To accept that you base your faith on the word of God and not on theologians please back up your further comments with Bible reference. You said after resurrection Christ was 'raptured' and no longer 'ascended' as the Bible expressed it. They are just English words anyway. Let us go into real business and stop dwelling much on the name we give the event: 'rapture' or 'resurrection'. Now I will have one question for you. How many raptures have taken place so far and how many more raptures are yet to take place and when and how will they happen?

petra1:


Jesus was still on the earth for about a month after resurrection before he ascended .



You need that counsel dear .



Elijah was caught up , Enoch was caught up . That's what rapture is .

To accept that you base your faith on the word of God and not on theologians please back up your further comments with Bible reference. You said after resurrection Christ was 'raptured' and no longer 'ascended' as the Bible expressed it. They are just English words anyway. Let us go into real business and stop dwelling much on the name we give the event: 'rapture' or 'resurrection'. Now I will have one question for you. How many raptures have taken place so far and how many more raptures are yet to take place and when and how will they happen?

petra1:


Jesus was still on the earth for about a month after resurrection before he ascended .



You need that counsel dear .



Elijah was caught up , Enoch was caught up . That's what rapture is .

Thegospelman:


I wish you abandon your thought, and rather follow the word of God. You said there are 6 types of raptures. That's Elijah rapture, Enoch rapture, Jesus rapture, 2 witnesses rapture etc. What's all this for? We are talking about the coming back of Christ and our gathering together with Him. That's what's every Christian is eagerly waiting for.

petra1:


My thoughts are based in the Bible

You didn't follow my line of thought on what led to it. There are 5 New Testament raptures

1.Christ and the many saints that were resurrected after His resurrection (1Cor. 15:20,23; Mt. 27:52-53 Eph. 4:8-10).
The church (1Cor. 15:23,51-54 Jn. 14:1-3 Lk. 21:34-36 2Cor. 5:1-8 Eph. 5:27; Php. 3:11,20-21 1Th. 2:19; 3:13; 4:13-17; 5:9,23; 2Th. 2:1,7, note; Col. 3:4; Jas. 5:7-8 1Jn. 2:28; 3:2; 1Pet. 5:4).


2. Everyone in Christ, dead or alive, will be translated at this time. Not one person will be left on earth who is in Christ (1Th. 4:16-17)


3. The 144,000 Jews saved in the first 3 1/2 years of Daniel's 70th week (Rev. 7:1-. They will be caught up as the manchild in the middle of this week or 3 1/2 years before the second coming (Rev. 12:5; 14:1-5 Isa. 66:7-8 Dan. 12:1).

4. The great multitude of tribulation saints who are saved after the rapture 2, above and during the whole of Daniel's 70th week (Rev. 6:1--Rev. 19:21). The first martyrs of this period are told to rest until the rest of them are killed (Rev. 6:9-11) when vengeance will be taken and all raptured in time for the marriage supper (Rev. 7:9-17; 15:2-4; 20:4-6). Even those killed by the beast in the last 3 1/2 years of this week have part in the first resurrection (Rev. 20:4-6). This proves their rapture in time for the marriage supper (Rev. 19:1-10) and in time to come back with Christ (Rev. 19:11-21 Jude 1:14; Zech. 14:5).

5. The rapture of the two witnesses, ending the first resurrection which began with the resurrection of Christ (Rev. 11:7-11

Thegospelman:

I'm very much interested in your 'rapture 2' and 'rapture 4.' Who are those that take part in rapture 2? Who are those also that take in rapture 4? I mean what makes those that take part in rapture 4 fail to partake in rapture 2?

live4dgospel:


There can't be more than one rapture for believers, there is only one and only one rapture. After the rapture the remaining people on earth will certainly end up in hell without fail. Just like the foolish virgins in Jesus parable, Christians who expect another rapture after the first one will be disappointed for sure!

petra1:


There is pre tribulation rapture , there's mid tribulation rapture and there's post tribulation rapture .

live4dgospel:

This is the deceit of the Devil, Both pre-tribulation and post-tribulation raptures are false. Only the mid-tribulation rapture is correct. Can we challenge over that with the Bible? Can you Prove me wrong with the Bible?... I'm waiting!!

petra1:

I will respond with verses but not today

petra1:


I will respond with verses but not today