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Re: Mary The Mother Of Jesus Had No Other Children. A Biblical Perspective by MosesAlex: 9:44pm On Dec 27, 2017
LaaJiblik:


GOD DECIDED THAT JESUS WILL COME THROUGH[b] A MORTAL, REPEAT MORTAL MARY[/b]
I was specific, as to the seed of a man.
Re: Mary The Mother Of Jesus Had No Other Children. A Biblical Perspective by LaaJiblik: 9:45pm On Dec 27, 2017
IN ALL THESE, NO ONE HAS POINTED ME TO ANY SCRIPTURE WHERE IT SPECIFICALLY SAYS JOSEPH DID NOT HAVE SEX WITH MARY AFTER THE BIRTH OF JESUS CHRIST.

I AM WAITING FOR THE SCRIPTURE VERSES, PLEASE.
Re: Mary The Mother Of Jesus Had No Other Children. A Biblical Perspective by LaaJiblik: 9:46pm On Dec 27, 2017
MosesAlex:

I was specific, as to the seed of a man.

IF YOU SAY "MAN" ARE YOU REFERRING TO "MALE" OR YOU ARE REFERRING TO HUMANKIND?
Re: Mary The Mother Of Jesus Had No Other Children. A Biblical Perspective by MosesAlex: 9:47pm On Dec 27, 2017
LaaJiblik:



SO JOSEPH WAS A EUNUCH? WE ARE TALKING SPECIFICALLY ABOUT JOSEPH HERE. DO YOU HAVE ANY EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT YOUR STAND THAT JOSEPH NEVER HAD SEX WITH MARY AFTER THE BIRTH OF CHRIST?
You seem so fascinated with sex and don't think people can give it up as Jesus acknowledged that people do. And as I have
pointed out Virgins have their unique blessing
Re: Mary The Mother Of Jesus Had No Other Children. A Biblical Perspective by MosesAlex: 9:53pm On Dec 27, 2017
LaaJiblik:


IF YOU SAY "MAN" ARE YOU REFERRING TO "MALE" OR YOU ARE REFERRING TO HUMANKIND?
I mean a man being a biological of Christ
Re: Mary The Mother Of Jesus Had No Other Children. A Biblical Perspective by LaaJiblik: 10:00pm On Dec 27, 2017
MosesAlex:

I mean a man being a biological of Christ

JESUS CAME THROUGH A MORTAL WOMAN. A MORTAL WOMAN, WHO LIKE ALL OF US IS OF THE ADAMIC LINEAGE.

MARY WAS NOT AN IMMORTAL[i][/i] WOMAN WAS SHE?

I still waiting for the SOURCE of the information which EXPLICITLY says Mary REMAINED a Virgin AFTER the Birth of Christ.
Re: Mary The Mother Of Jesus Had No Other Children. A Biblical Perspective by irynterri(f): 12:42am On Dec 28, 2017
LaaJiblik:


IS THAT AN INFERENCE OR YOU HAVE ANY SCRIPTURES TO BACK IT UP?
HOW COME PEOPLE DID NOT WORSHIP MARY (THE MOTHER) OR WORSHIP JOSEPH (THE EARTHLY FATHER)?
okay she had, why did she not stay with them after his death?
Re: Mary The Mother Of Jesus Had No Other Children. A Biblical Perspective by MosesAlex: 7:02am On Dec 28, 2017
LaaJiblik:


JESUS CAME THROUGH A MORTAL WOMAN. A MORTAL WOMAN, WHO LIKE ALL OF US IS OF THE ADAMIC LINEAGE.

MARY WAS NOT AN IMMORTAL[i][/i] WOMAN WAS SHE?

I still waiting for the SOURCE of the information which EXPLICITLY says Mary REMAINED a Virgin AFTER the Birth of Christ.

Haven't you heard Christ say people can chose to be Eunuchs (Virgins) for the Kingdom of God(Mt 19:12)?

And where does the Bible say something must be explicitly written (Sola Scriptura).

Rather Jesus told His apostles he who hears you hear me (Lk 10:16),,and in another place he said "go and preach to the world" (Mk 16:15 & Mt 28:19)(not go and write to the world, writing is part of communication not all of communication) .
Mk 16:15 And he said to them: Go ye into the whole world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
And Paul said in another place whatever you hear from me in Word or in Writing (Phil 4:9),

Philippians 4:9New International Version (NIV)
9 Whatever you have learned or received or heard from me, or seen in me—put it into practice. And the God of peace will be with you.

And 2Tim 2:2 And the things you have heard me say in the presence of many witnesses entrust to reliable people who will also be qualified to teach others.

The point here is that Christian Tradition does not subsist in what is written alone but includes oral handing over of the message to the next generation and the council of the Apostles(Acts 15 the first council of the Church). The canon of the Bible was accepted over 300AD in one of such councils of the Church.
Now those who lost the oral part of Christian Tradition preach Sola Scriptura (Scripture alone).
The advice is listen to those who have been around for 2000 years and not those who were born yesterday in such matters.
If writing(the written word of God) which is important is the only source of Jesus words. Jesus won't say who ever hears you hears me Lk(10:16). And John 21:25 would not allude to the fact that everything is written in the bible. How many of the Twelve apostles wrote books (of course we wish they did).


Now food for thought (John 19:26-27)
When Jesus therefore had seen his mother and the disciple standing whom he loved, he saith to his mother: Woman, behold thy son. and to the disciple, "Here is your mother." From that time on, this disciple took her into his home.

Could Jesus take his mother and give to John, if he was not the only Child?

Remember this is the Gospel of John, so John is saying that from that time on (not temporarily), he took Mary now His Mother to his home.

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Re: Mary The Mother Of Jesus Had No Other Children. A Biblical Perspective by MosesAlex: 5:14pm On Dec 28, 2017
Haven't you heard Christ say people can chose to be Eunuchs (Virgins) for the Kingdom of God(Mt 19:12)?

And where does the Bible say something must be explicitly written (Sola Scriptura).

Rather Jesus told His apostles he who hears you hear me (Lk 10:16),,and in another place he said "go and preach to the world" (Mk 16:15 & Mt 28:19)(not go and write to the world, writing is part of communication not all of communication) .
Mk 16:15 And he said to them: Go ye into the whole world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
And Paul said in another place whatever you hear from me in Word or in Writing (Phil 4:9),

Philippians 4:9New International Version (NIV)
9 Whatever you have learned or received or heard from me, or seen in me—put it into practice. And the God of peace will be with you.

And 2Tim 2:2 And the things you have heard me say in the presence of many witnesses entrust to reliable people who will also be qualified to teach others.

The point here is that Christian Tradition does not subsist in what is written alone but includes oral handing over of the message to the next generation and the council of the Apostles(Acts 15 the first council of the Church). The canon of the Bible was accepted over 300AD in one of such councils of the Church.
Now those who lost the oral part of Christian Tradition preach Sola Scriptura (Scripture alone).
The advice is listen to those who have been around for 2000 years and not those who were born yesterday in such matters.
If writing(the written word of God) which is important is the only source of Jesus words. Jesus won't say who ever hears you hears me Lk(10:16). And John 21:25 would not allude to the fact that everything is written in the bible. How many of the Twelve apostles wrote books (of course we wish they did).


Now food for thought (John 19:26-27)
When Jesus therefore had seen his mother and the disciple standing whom he loved, he saith to his mother: Woman, behold thy son. and to the disciple, "Here is your mother." From that time on, this disciple took her into his home.

Could Jesus take his mother and give to John, if he was not the only Child?

Remember this is the Gospel of John, so John is saying that from that time on (not temporarily), he took Mary now His Mother to his home.

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Re: Mary The Mother Of Jesus Had No Other Children. A Biblical Perspective by danvon(m): 6:00pm On Dec 28, 2017
CharlieMaria:
The question is does the scriptures in any way say that these men were born of Mary? In the gospel of luke22:32 Jesus called the other apostles the brothes of Peter.... In Gen11:1-26,14:14&13:8 Abraham was called the brother of Lot but was the apostles from the same womb? Or was Abraham and Lot from The same womb? Acts 1:14-15 says Jesus brothers were about 120....Wow! Could Mary have given birth to 120children by herself alone?
"These all continued with one accord in prayer and supplication, with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brethren."
Acts:1:14
"And in those days Peter stood up in the midst of the disciples, and said, (the number of names together were about an hundred and twenty,)"
Acts:1:15
Those verses didn't say Mary had 120children, this is how you Catholics like twisting the scripture when people say you worship pagan idols you say it's not true
Re: Mary The Mother Of Jesus Had No Other Children. A Biblical Perspective by MosesAlex: 10:36pm On Dec 28, 2017
MosesAlex:


Haven't you heard Christ say people can chose to be Eunuchs (Virgins) for the Kingdom of God(Mt 19:12)?

And where does the Bible say something must be explicitly written (Sola Scriptura).

Rather Jesus told His apostles he who hears you hears me (Lk 10:16),and in another place he said "go and preach to the world" (Mk 16:15 & Mt 28:19)(not go and write to the world, writing is part of communication not all of communication) .
Mk 16:15 And he said to them: Go ye into the whole world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
And Paul said in another place whatever you hear from me in Word or in Writing (Phil 4:9),

Philippians 4:9New International Version (NIV)
9 Whatever you have learned or received or heard from me, or seen in me—put it into practice. And the God of peace will be with you.

And 2Tim 2:2 And the things you have heard me say in the presence of many witnesses entrust to reliable people who will also be qualified to teach others.

The point here is that Christian Tradition does not subsist in what is written alone but includes oral handing over of the message to the next generation and the council of the Apostles(Acts 15 the first council of the Church). The canon of the Bible was accepted over 300AD in one of such councils of the Church.
Now those who lost the oral part of Christian Tradition preach Sola Scriptura (Scripture alone).
The advice is listen to those who have been around for 2000 years and not those who were born yesterday in such matters.
If writing(the written word of God) which is important is the only source of Jesus words. Jesus won't say who ever hears you hears me Lk(10:16). And John 21:25 would not allude to the fact that everything is not written in the bible. How many of the Twelve apostles wrote books (of course we wish they did).


Now food for thought (John 19:26-27)
When Jesus therefore had seen his mother and the disciple standing whom he loved, he saith to his mother: Woman, behold thy son. and to the disciple, "Here is your mother." From that time on, this disciple took her into his home.

Could Jesus take his mother and give to John, if he was not the only Child?

Remember this is the Gospel of John, so John is saying that from that time on (not temporarily), he took Mary now His Mother to his home.
Re: Mary The Mother Of Jesus Had No Other Children. A Biblical Perspective by ClareMarie: 2:48am On Dec 29, 2017
LaaJiblik:



SO JOSEPH WAS A EUNUCH? WE ARE TALKING SPECIFICALLY ABOUT JOSEPH HERE. DO YOU HAVE ANY EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT YOUR STAND THAT JOSEPH NEVER HAD SEX WITH MARY AFTER THE BIRTH OF CHRIST?

Now put yourself in Joseph's shoes, and the woman you married was impregnated by the power of the Holy Spirit [/b]and she gave birth to the promised [b]Saviour, your messiah, The son of God, your GOD, would you be able to even think of her as just any woman? Wouldn't you be in absolute awe of her?
Wouldn't you be mortified to even think sexual thoughts about her, talk more of having marital relations with her?

You wouldn't dare! at least a God fearing man wouldn't. And Joseph was a [b]God fearing man.
Re: Mary The Mother Of Jesus Had No Other Children. A Biblical Perspective by noblefrank31(m): 5:21am On Dec 29, 2017
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Re: Mary The Mother Of Jesus Had No Other Children. A Biblical Perspective by LaaJiblik: 9:15am On Dec 29, 2017
ClareMarie:


Now put yourself in Joseph's shoes, and the woman you married was impregnated by the power of the Holy Spirit [/b]and she gave birth to the promised [b]Saviour, your messiah, The son of God, your GOD, would you be able to even think of her as just any woman? Wouldn't you be in absolute awe of her?
Wouldn't you be mortified to even think sexual thoughts about her, talk more of having marital relations with her?

You wouldn't dare! at least a God fearing man wouldn't. And Joseph was a [b]God fearing man.


If I was Joseph, I wouldn’t not dare. The instructions of the angel that appeared to Joseph in a dream were crystal clear:
“Take her to be YOUR WIFE”.

We all know what a Husband and Wife have been instructed to do right from the Garden if Eden.

The angel did not ask Joseph to take her and protect her, but to take her and do what a husband and wife does.

With these arguments, I will not be surprised to read one day claims that Mary’s Hymen was not broken during the birth process. We may soon read from these people that prior to the conception, Mary never had menstrual cycles and periods.
Re: Mary The Mother Of Jesus Had No Other Children. A Biblical Perspective by MosesAlex: 10:08am On Dec 29, 2017
LaaJiblik:



If I was Joseph, I wouldn’t not dare. The instructions of the angel that appeared to Joseph in a dream were crystal clear:
“Take her to be YOUR WIFE”.

We all know what a Husband and Wife have been instructed to do right from the Garden if Eden.

The angel did not ask Joseph to take her and protect her, but to take her and do what a husband and wife does.

With these arguments, I will not be surprised to read one day claims that Mary’s Hymen was not broken during the birth process. We may soon read from these people that prior to the conception, Mary never had menstrual cycles and periods.
Why was the conception not before he betrothed her if she and Jesus (in the womb) were not in need of protection?

So you are saying Jesus and Mary should have been killed by stoning?

So to you it is impossible for womb where the Holy Ghost worked wonders to be left intact, where God the Son ,He whom through all things were created (including that blessed womb), He who walked on water, who transfigured on Mount Tabor, the First and the Last, the Alpha and the Omega dwelt for nine months to be left intact?

If you had the chance to create your own Mother, what wonders wont your perform? (Ex20:12"Honor your father and your mother, so that you may live long in the land the LORD your God is giving you.)

God gave clear instructions how the Ark of the Covenant was to be built Ex 25:10-22. Now what the ark contained the gold jar of manna, Aaron's staff that had budded, and the stone tablets of the covenant(Heb9:4) . You know numerous wonders that accompanied the Ark.
Definitely, greater wonders would accompany the Ark not built by human hands but God's hands. Greater wonders would accompany the New Ark which was not carrying a shadow of what was to come but the fulfillment, Jesus Christ Himself.

Psalm 87:3. Glorious things are spoken of thee, O city of God.

Jesus dwelt in this womb for nine months, why wouldn't glorious things be spoken of her?

Elizabeth in Luke1:43 said "And why am I so honored, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? "

The Lord has done great things to her Lk 1:49 Because he that is mighty, hath done great things to me; and holy is his name.

2 Chronicles 6:41
"Now therefore arise, O LORD God, to Your resting place, You and the ark of Your might; let Your priests, O LORD God, be clothed with salvation and let Your godly ones rejoice in what is good.

Who are you to question to Most High?





Mt1:19-20
19Because Joseph her husband, a righteous man, was unwilling to disgrace her publicly, he resolved to divorce her quietly. 20But after he had pondered these things, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and said, “Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary as your wife, for the One conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit.
Re: Mary The Mother Of Jesus Had No Other Children. A Biblical Perspective by petra1(m): 11:15am On Dec 29, 2017
Dikemaria:

Those were his kinsmen comprising cousins, in addition to close and distant relatives...

Wrong . The Bible would have said so . Why are cousins so important for the first time in the Bible? Isn't that funny ?

And which is exactly the same way most languages refer to their relatives

Not at all.

Acts 12:1
Now about that time Herod the king stretched forth his hands to vex certain of the church
And he killed James the brother of John with the sword..

Are you saying James was also coursing of john ?

The decipher James and the apostle James are different .

James was the biological brother of Jesus

Galatians 1:19 (AMPC)
But I did not see any of the other apostles (the special messengers of Christ) except James the brother of our Lord.
Re: Mary The Mother Of Jesus Had No Other Children. A Biblical Perspective by MosesAlex: 11:27am On Dec 29, 2017
petra1:


Wrong . The Bible would have said so . Why are cousins so important for the first time in the Bible? Isn't that funny ?



Not at all.

Acts 12:1
Now about that time Herod the king stretched forth his hands to vex certain of the church
And he killed James the brother of John with the sword..

Are you saying James was also coursing of john ?

The decipher James and the apostle James are different .

James was the biological brother of Jesus

Galatians 1:19 (AMPC)
But I did not see any of the other apostles (the special messengers of Christ) except James the brother of our Lord.


Hi Petra,
Let me start by saying I love that name Petra meaning rock for obvious reasons (St Peter).

Gal 1:19 refers to the second apostle James (the less or Son of Alpheus, because it fits the description). He also the brother of Jude (Jude 1:1 and Luke 6:16)
Mk 15:40 & John 19:25 Says the mother of John the less is a sister to Mary Mother of Jesus Mother. Is it not obvious that James is the brother of the Lord, a cousin is also a brother
Re: Mary The Mother Of Jesus Had No Other Children. A Biblical Perspective by LaaJiblik: 1:14pm On Dec 29, 2017
MosesAlex:

Why was the conception not before he betrothed her if she and Jesus (in the womb) were not in need of protection?

So you are saying Jesus and Mary should have been killed by stoning?

So to you it is impossible for womb where the Holy Ghost worked wonders to be left intact, where God the Son ,He whom through all things were created (including that blessed womb), He who walked on water, who transfigured on Mount Tabor, the First and the Last, the Alpha and the Omega dwelt for nine months to be left intact?

If you had the chance to create your own Mother, what wonders wont your perform? (Ex20:12"Honor your father and your mother, so that you may live long in the land the LORD your God is giving you.)

God gave clear instructions how the Ark of the Covenant was to be built Ex 25:10-22. Now what the ark contained the gold jar of manna, Aaron's staff that had budded, and the stone tablets of the covenant(Heb9:4) . You know numerous wonders that accompanied the Ark.
Definitely, greater wonders would accompany the Ark not built by human hands but God's hands. Greater wonders would accompany the New Ark which was not carrying a shadow of what was to come but the fulfillment, Jesus Christ Himself.

Psalm 87:3. Glorious things are spoken of thee, O city of God.

Jesus dwelt in this womb for nine months, why wouldn't glorious things be spoken of her?

Elizabeth in Luke1:43 said "And why am I so honored, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? "

The Lord has done great things to her Lk 1:49 Because he that is mighty, hath done great things to me; and holy is his name.

2 Chronicles 6:41
"Now therefore arise, O LORD God, to Your resting place, You and the ark of Your might; let Your priests, O LORD God, be clothed with salvation and let Your godly ones rejoice in what is good.

Who are you to question to Most High?





Mt1:19-20
19Because Joseph her husband, a righteous man, was unwilling to disgrace her publicly, he resolved to divorce her quietly. 20But after he had pondered these things, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and said, “Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary as your wife, for the One conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit.


The “intactness” of the womb doesn’t matter.
Does the Lordship of Jesus Christ reduce if other Children came forth from the womb?
Re: Mary The Mother Of Jesus Had No Other Children. A Biblical Perspective by MosesAlex: 1:53pm On Dec 29, 2017
LaaJiblik:



The “intactness” of the womb doesn’t matter.
Does the Lordship of Jesus Christ reduce if other Children came forth from the womb?
The question is it impossible to God?
Re: Mary The Mother Of Jesus Had No Other Children. A Biblical Perspective by ClareMarie: 2:19pm On Dec 29, 2017
LaaJiblik:
IN ALL THESE, NO ONE HAS POINTED ME TO ANY SCRIPTURE WHERE IT SPECIFICALLY SAYS JOSEPH DID NOT HAVE SEX WITH MARY AFTER THE BIRTH OF JESUS CHRIST.

I AM WAITING FOR THE SCRIPTURE VERSES, PLEASE.

Is there a scripture verse where it said Jesus did not marry? Or that Peter left his family to do the work of God? Or that apostle John was the youngest apostle? Or that

These are not spelt out verbatim but we can deduce it from other things that were written.

You know the funny thing? This bible you non Catholics keep using as a shield was compiled by the Catholic church. They brought out this books and said it will be good for you, and you agree, but when they tell you Mary has no other children, you disagree........

Ask yourself why my brother.
Re: Mary The Mother Of Jesus Had No Other Children. A Biblical Perspective by ClareMarie: 2:37pm On Dec 29, 2017
LaaJiblik:



If I was Joseph, I wouldn’t not dare. The instructions of the angel that appeared to Joseph in a dream were crystal clear:
“Take her to be YOUR WIFE”.

We all know what a Husband and Wife have been instructed to do right from the Garden if Eden.

The angel did not ask Joseph to take her and protect her, but to take her and do what a husband and wife does.

With these arguments, I will not be surprised to read one day claims that Mary’s Hymen was not broken during the birth process. We may soon read from these people that prior to the conception, Mary never had menstrual cycles and periods.

Your first line has dealt with this whole topic! Everyone please move on to the next topic

Joseph didn't dare either! The angel said " take Mary as your wife" because Joseph was planning a divorce. Jesus needed to come into a complete family, father, mother and son. Not guardian, mother and son. There would have been too much stigma, besides Jesus always did things to fulfil all that righteousness requires I.e. his baptism and his paying of tax.

So NO! Joseph never touched the mother of his Lord and saviour intimately.
Re: Mary The Mother Of Jesus Had No Other Children. A Biblical Perspective by petra1(m): 3:35pm On Dec 29, 2017
MosesAlex:


Hi Petra,
Let me start by saying I love that name Petra meaning rock for obvious reasons (St Peter).

Gal 1:19 refers to the second apostle James (the less or Son of Alpheus, because it fits the description). He also the brother of Jude (Jude 1:1 and Luke 6:16)
Mk 15:40 & John 19:25 Says the mother of John the less is a sister to Mary Mother of Jesus Mother. Is it not obvious that James is the brother of the Lord, a cousin is also a brother


Matthew 13:55-56
55 Is not this the carpenter’s Son? Is not His mother called Mary? And are not His brothers James and Joseph and Simon and Judas?
56 And do not all His sisters live here among us? Where then did this Man get all this?

The Bible is clear enough . Let’s not complicate it. Jesus had brothers and sisters born by mary. She was only a Virgin before christ was born
Re: Mary The Mother Of Jesus Had No Other Children. A Biblical Perspective by LaaJiblik: 3:42pm On Dec 29, 2017
ClareMarie:


Your first line has dealt with this whole topic! Everyone please move on to the next topic

Joseph didn't dare either! The angel said " take Mary as your wife" because Joseph was planning a divorce. Jesus needed to come into a complete family, father, mother and son. Not guardian, mother and son. There would have been too much stigma, besides Jesus always did things to fulfil all that righteousness requires I.e. his baptism and his paying of tax.

So NO! Joseph never touched the mother of his Lord and saviour intimately.


Re-read my post. I said if I were Joseph, I WOULDN’T NOT dare.

You didn’t see the use of 2 negatives?
Re: Mary The Mother Of Jesus Had No Other Children. A Biblical Perspective by LaaJiblik: 3:43pm On Dec 29, 2017
ClareMarie:


Your first line has dealt with this whole topic! Everyone please move on to the next topic

Joseph didn't dare either! The angel said " take Mary as your wife" because Joseph was planning a divorce. Jesus needed to come into a complete family, father, mother and son. Not guardian, mother and son. There would have been too much stigma, besides Jesus always did things to fulfil all that righteousness requires I.e. his baptism and his paying of tax.

So NO! Joseph never touched the mother of his Lord and saviour intimately.

Was Mary’s Hymen broken during the delivery?
Did Mary mace Menstrual periods prior to the delivery?
Did she continue to have periods post delivery?
Re: Mary The Mother Of Jesus Had No Other Children. A Biblical Perspective by LaaJiblik: 3:46pm On Dec 29, 2017
ClareMarie:


Is there a scripture verse where it said Jesus did not marry? Or that Peter left his family to do the work of God? Or that apostle John was the youngest apostle? Or that

These are not spelt out verbatim but we can deduce it from other things that were written.

You know the funny thing? This bible you non Catholics keep using as a shield was compiled by the Catholic church. They brought out this books and said it will be good for you, and you agree, but when they tell you Mary has no other children, you disagree........

Ask yourself why my brother.


So the Bible was written by the Roman Catholic Church?

Okay ohhh.


Please, how did Mary die?
Sis she die a natural death? Or she was ascended into heaven like Jesus?
Re: Mary The Mother Of Jesus Had No Other Children. A Biblical Perspective by MosesAlex: 4:47pm On Dec 29, 2017
LaaJiblik:


Was Mary’s Hymen broken during the delivery?
Did Mary mace Menstrual periods prior to the delivery?
Did she continue to have periods post delivery?


If you choose to disrespect her, because you do not understand , then may God forgive you for you know not what you do?

John the Baptist in the womb leaped for joy at the sound of her voice? Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost at the sound of her voice? Lk1:41

In her dwelt "the desired of the ages "Luke 10:24

She is blessed because she heard the word of God and kept Lk 1:45

Proverbs 31:29-31“Many women have done excellently, but you surpass them all.” Charm is deceitful, and beauty is vain, but a woman who fears the Lord is to be praised. Give her a share in the fruit of her hands, and let her works praise her in the city gates.

All generations would honour whether you like it or not Lk1:48
Re: Mary The Mother Of Jesus Had No Other Children. A Biblical Perspective by LaaJiblik: 12:18am On Dec 30, 2017
MosesAlex:



If you choose to disrespect her, because you do not understand , then may God forgive you for you know not what you do?

John the Baptist in the womb leaped for joy at the sound of her voice? Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost at the sound of her voice? Lk1:41

In her dwelt "the desired of the ages "Luke 10:24

She is blessed because she heard the word of God and kept Lk 1:45

Proverbs 31:29-31“Many women have done excellently, but you surpass them all.” Charm is deceitful, and beauty is vain, but a woman who fears the Lord is to be praised. Give her a share in the fruit of her hands, and let her works praise her in the city gates.

All generations would honour whether you like it or not Lk1:48




So a mortal woman having periods is now disrespect?
Re: Mary The Mother Of Jesus Had No Other Children. A Biblical Perspective by MosesAlex: 10:57am On Dec 30, 2017
LaaJiblik:



So a mortal woman having periods is now disrespect?
In Saul , David's men saw a mere mortal but David saw the Lord's anointed. 1 Sam 24:6
In Mary, I don't know what you see.(Lk 7:24)

But Elizabeth filled with the Holy Ghost her saw her Lord's Mother (Lk 1:43),
John the beloved, by Christ injunction saw His own mother John 19:27
Christ's body, the Church filled the Holy Ghost and by Christ's injunction claims both as the Lord's Mother and Our Mother.(Rev 12:17)

Here what St Jude says below
Jude1:9-10But even the archangel Michael, when he was disputing with the devil about the body of Moses, did not himself dare to condemn him for slander but said, "The Lord rebuke you!"
Yet these people slander whatever they do not understand, and the very things they do understand by instinct--as irrational animals do--will destroy them.


2 Peter 2:12
These men are like irrational animals, creatures of instinct, born to be captured and destroyed. They blaspheme in matters they do not understand, and like such creatures, they too will be destroyed.



All am saying is take it easy with the language
Re: Mary The Mother Of Jesus Had No Other Children. A Biblical Perspective by Ubenedictus(m): 11:39pm On Dec 30, 2017
LaaJiblik:
Okay, maybe Mary didn’t have children after Jesus.

But that means all the subsequent sexual Intercourse between her and Koseph never Med to any fertilisation?
this only comes in when you make the assumption that they were having intercourse.
Re: Mary The Mother Of Jesus Had No Other Children. A Biblical Perspective by Ubenedictus(m): 11:42pm On Dec 30, 2017
petra1:


Wrong . The Bible would have said so . Why are cousins so important for the first time in the Bible? Isn't that funny ?



Not at all.

Acts 12:1
Now about that time Herod the king stretched forth his hands to vex certain of the church
And he killed James the brother of John with the sword..

Are you saying James was also coursing of john ?

The decipher James and the apostle James are different .

James was the biological brother of Jesus

Galatians 1:19 (AMPC)
But I did not see any of the other apostles (the special messengers of Christ) except James the brother of our Lord.



why do you assume the Bible must have recorded every thing to the minutest details?
Re: Mary The Mother Of Jesus Had No Other Children. A Biblical Perspective by petra1(m): 7:46am On Dec 31, 2017
Ubenedictus:



why do you assume the Bible must have recorded every thing to the minutest details?

God is not daft. He knows the difference between cousin and brother and sister.

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Re: Mary The Mother Of Jesus Had No Other Children. A Biblical Perspective by Nobody: 11:09am On Jan 01, 2018
MosesAlex:
Haven't you heard Christ say people can chose to be Eunuchs (Virgins) for the Kingdom of God(Mt 19:12)?

And where does the Bible say something must be explicitly written (Sola Scriptura).

Rather Jesus told His apostles he who hears you hear me (Lk 10:16),,and in another place he said "go and preach to the world" (Mk 16:15 & Mt 28:19)(not go and write to the world, writing is part of communication not all of communication) .
Mk 16:15 And he said to them: Go ye into the whole world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
And Paul said in another place whatever you hear from me in Word or in Writing (Phil 4:9),

Philippians 4:9New International Version (NIV)
9 Whatever you have learned or received or heard from me, or seen in me—put it into practice. And the God of peace will be with you.

1cor 4:6 helps us with the principle of using what is written to guide us before we act. Whatever you hear from Jesus nor Paul shouldn't contradict what the written word told us, do you agree?

We can see how Jesus himself view oral tradition. We cannot stick to oral tradition as if Jesus never had those in his time who stuck to oral tradition. What did Jesus say about it?

Mark 7:13 Thus you make the word of God invalid by your tradition that you have handed down. And you do many things like this

The pharisees believed that there were other commands given to Moses by God, which was not committed to writing. They thus held those tradition to be as inspired as the scriptures. Jesus never quoted any of those traditions as a proof of his teachings. He rather went along with what was written. Tell me, who would have known all the oral words God gave to Moses that was not committed to writing more than Jesus? But how many times do you see Jesus quoting oral tradition and stating, "well, this one is not written, but God told Moses all these"? Or " must all that God require be writing"? Did he even make a case for the oral tradition of his day? Was he not supporting his points from what was written? And even condemning the oral tradition of his day?

Don't you think we should imitated him by sticking to what is written. Whatever is important for us to serve Him and please Him fully is committed to writing. (Compare 2tim 3:16,17)

And 2Tim 2:2 And the things you have heard me say in the presence of many witnesses entrust to reliable people who will also be qualified to teach others.

The point here is that Christian Tradition does not subsist in what is written alone but includes oral handing over of the message to the next generation and the council of the Apostles(Acts 15 the first council of the Church). The canon of the Bible was accepted over 300AD in one of such councils of the Church.
Now those who lost the oral part of Christian Tradition preach Sola Scriptura (Scripture alone).
The advice is listen to those who have been around for 2000 years and not those who were born yesterday in such matters.
If writing(the written word of God) which is important is the only source of Jesus words. Jesus won't say who ever hears you hears me Lk(10:16). And John 21:25 would not allude to the fact that everything is written in the bible. How many of the Twelve apostles wrote books (of course we wish they did).

No need of raising a command in the scriptures, when what is written therein is not enough to establish truth. Jesus would have said the same thing "listen to those who lived centuries past, not those who lived yesterday, for the former has the oral and the written". That would have vindicated the pharisees because they do have both. What happened in the past is good for it gives us added proof of history, but whatever was alleged to have come down from the apostles must be refined by what is written. They are weighed with the written word of God.

It is not all that Jesus did was written down, but God selects what is written for a reason, so that you will further be equipped, fully competent, form a doctrine etc (2tim3:16,17), you don't need all of what Jesus said to form a doctrine. But the one written is the one approved for humans to be competent men of God. In the same vein, if God had written all the discussions He had with faithful men of prechristian era or penned down all they did, the scroll would be too much to read, but all such happenings are not essential to achieve truth.

Some information's were hand picked by God to instruct us, and comfort us. Read Rom 15:4. Did the bible say oral tradition serve the same purpose? Was it not in existence then?

While some facts were left is that they are not relevant to our salvation. Nor needed for doctrine. Read the same john 20:30, 31. 2tim 3:16

Now food for thought (John 19:26-27)
When Jesus therefore had seen his mother and the disciple standing whom he loved, he saith to his mother: Woman, behold thy son. and to the disciple, "Here is your mother." From that time on, this disciple took her into his home.

Could Jesus take his mother and give to John, if he was not the only Child?

Remember this is the Gospel of John, so John is saying that from that time on (not temporarily), he took Mary now His Mother to his home.

John was the one he loved so much, secondly, he views john as his true family because his own fleshly brothers had not believed in him. Matt 12:50. Who knows whether they were even there at all. As matt 12:50, Jesus would better entrust his mother to a spiritual man, than to those not believing in him.

I think we should think about the phrase at matt 1:25, which shows that Joseph didn't have relation with Mary until she gave birth to Jesus.

Look at it this way: you are aware of a woman married to a man. You know she was pregnant by the operation of the holy spirit, but you know so well that until the man died, he didn't have sex with his wife. How would you have worded the phrase at matt 1:25? Will you say 'the man didn't have sex with his wife until she gave birth to a son?' OR since you are well aware that nothing like sex EVER happened between them, won't you rather say " the man never had sexual relation with his wife even after she gave birth to Jesus"? Because you are writing your story after the incident had occurred. Now for the writer to use until in reporting what happened in the past, is it not an indication that he knew that after the delivery of Jesus, that sexual relation occurred? Food for thought!

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