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Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by Lordave: 1:02pm On Jan 22, 2018
scholes0:


Thank you jare my sister.

That is how one Igbo guy was arguing with me the other day that “Nko” is an Igbo word because they now use it.


I was like.... Jesu!
I don't think anybody uses 'Nko' while speaking Igbo, it best suits pidgin English.

Instead of 'Nko' in an Igbo sentence, 'KWANU' is best suits to every Igbo speaker.

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Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by Probz(m): 1:04pm On Jan 22, 2018
maestroferddi:
And who told you that?

You Yorubas would not travel around and learn.

There is more to life than making blind arguments and ignorant assertions from the forests and
woodlands of Ogbomosho...

I’m from Anambra State actually. Pipe down.

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Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by TerrorSquad147: 1:06pm On Jan 22, 2018
Bidobado:


Unsubstantiated claims, flimsy claims that cannot withstand the simplest of tests. I guess anything to boost your inflated egos is welcomed.
why are you so bitter?? undecided

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Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by Nobody: 1:07pm On Jan 22, 2018
RedboneSmith:
'Imu oso' is not a Jamaican patois expression. The post where you got this from misinterpreted the source material.

'Akara' is also not Igbo. It is Yoruba.

Other Igbo words in Jamaican Patois that could have been added are:

Attoo (chewing stick) from Igbo 'atu' and chinch/chink (bedbug) from Igbo 'chinchi.'

The Tundes and the Emekas will start criticising each other, even though the Jamaicans swear that it was Igbos, the Nigerians will never accept, because Emeka and Tunde MUST not agree.

This is why I prefer Musa, he sits down, shuts his mouth and enjoys the spoils of the war between Emeka and Tunde.

Because Tunde must not let Emeka take glory for anything, because he is not to be trusted with any achievement even if it is his sweat.

You guys will never learn.

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Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by BabaIbo: 1:07pm On Jan 22, 2018
somegirl1:


Your responses reveal a deficiency in intellectual acuity.
You're clearly here to argue blindly.
I won't stoop to your level.
Keep quoting me if you enjoy soliloquies.

just when you run out of lies and can no longer backup your lies, you switch to insult... you are a big fo.ol, I know you guys very well... you can su.ck a dickkk for all I care

jide in Yoruba is stand up or to rise up
jide in Igbo is hold on to or simply hold (yonhold something)...
Jidenna- hold on to father (God
Oluwajide- Lord stand up or rise up...

You're the one lacking intellectually for failing to see a clear example

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Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by Probz(m): 1:08pm On Jan 22, 2018
baby124:
Akara, moin moin and egusi are Yoruba. There are also Yoruba settlements in Jamaica

And I’m telling you mai mai and egusi are also Igbo.

Have you actually been to Igboland?

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Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by Nobody: 1:09pm On Jan 22, 2018
BabaIbo:


just when you run out of lies and can no longer backup your lies, you switch to insult... you are a big fo.ol, I know you guys very well... you can su.ck a dickkk for all I care

jide in Yoruba is stand up or to rise up
jide in Igbo is hold on to or simply hold (yonhold something)...
Jidenna- hold on to father (God
Oluwajide- Lord stand up or rise up...

You're the one lacking intellectually for failing to see a clear example

Tunde will never agree that he is related to Emeka by DNA even when biology says so, because Emeka and Tunde must not agree. Do not bother explaining to them, just allow them to continue their enmity over nothing.

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Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by Probz(m): 1:10pm On Jan 22, 2018
baby124:

Igbos call egusi melon. Egusi is not an Igbo word or food. Stop misinforming. Even the way you cook Egusi is very typical of Yoruba soups. We cook soup differently from others with a palm oil and pepper base.

No one in Igboland starts cooking egusi with tatashe. And why is it that Yoruba people now use ugu and uziza to cook their own, hm? Does ugu now grow in the SW?

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Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by konoplyanka: 1:11pm On Jan 22, 2018
RedboneSmith:


I clearly remember some Eastern Yoruba people here saying no one says 'Esusu' where they come from. So it isn't general, even if through contact etc, everyone in Yorubaland now understands what it refers to.

Everyone in Igboland also understands and uses Soso. Even if one part uses it more.

Yes I'm from eastern yoruba and we don't know esusu. The only thing we know is ajo.

However, I don't believe yoruba could borrow words from ibos owing to the fact that Yoruba migration pattern don't go east. We only go west and north.

The ibos on the other hand could have borrowed a lot from yoruba as they migrate to our land.

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Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by TerrorSquad147: 1:13pm On Jan 22, 2018
GavelSlam:
Akara is the same meaning in Bahia, Brazil.

The Bahia people just like some Cubans and Haitis worship Ifa and Yoruba gods.

Trinidad and Tobago has some Yoruba influence.

It's safe to say the carribeans were taken from West Africa .

One cannot rule out Igbo presence in such places but the influence of Yoruba is beyond doubt.
pls go and open a thread for the yorubas

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Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by Probz(m): 1:15pm On Jan 22, 2018
scholes0:


See this one, no one is arguing the presense of some Arabic and Hausa words in Yoruba due to centuries of contact.. We all know what words in Yoruba are of Hausa origin via Nupe and others.

Besides there are Hausa words of Yoruba origin as well, such as Ashishi (Eshinshin) Housefly, Agwaluma (Agbalumo) African star apple, Alade (Elede) Pig Etc. There is many more.

So Yoruba and Hausa borrowing goes both ways.

There are plenty Hausa words in Igbo too don’t lie and pretend as if Hausa words exist only in yoruba, lol- that means the Igbo language is the most deficient in nigeria, cause they pick words from every corner.
The bone of contention here are YORUBA authentic words that have diffused into languages like Igbo which they now claim today like AKARA, EGUSI, etc.

Very soon, Igbos will claim Kpomo, Gele, Ogede and many more Yoruba words.

Just watch.

There’s no other word for banana in Igbo than ogede. That one’s also shared.

I saw you quote me just before. Did you think I’d reaffirm what you want to believe to boost your Yoruba ego?

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Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by baby124: 1:15pm On Jan 22, 2018
safarigirl:
egusi is Igbo.

We had this argument on Nairaland about 3 years ago, and everything was settled mostly. Una don come again with this sane nonsense argument.

Visit the old intelligent threads and educate yourself, the world does not revolve around Yoruba land and Igbo's cook egusi differently than Yorubas
I don’t know about a thread from 3yrs ago. But Egusi is a Yoruba soup. The way it is cooked and it’s name is all Yoruba.

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Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by BabaIbo: 1:15pm On Jan 22, 2018
Lordave:
I don't think anybody uses 'Nko' while speaking Igbo, it best suits pidgin English.

Instead of 'Nko' in an Igbo sentence, 'KWANU' is best suits to every Igbo speaker.


ask question before you disgrace yourself outside... it has so many meaning in igbo.. I will list some out for you
nko- edged
nko- hook
nko- to tease or abuse some one
and so many more... can you tell me it's Yoruba meaning

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Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by baby124: 1:16pm On Jan 22, 2018
Probz:


And I’m telling you mai mai and egusi are also Igbo.

Have you actually been to Igboland?
Hahahahaha. You must be laughing at yourself.
Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by Chukazu: 1:18pm On Jan 22, 2018
aljharem:
So many false statement here. Alaia and moi moi are borrowed words from Yoruba. Until the amalgamation of Nigeria there was nothing like bean in igbo land. The demography does not favour such!!!!. So how did they get food made from beans. Haha!!!!!

How did you know the word that existed before the amalgamation? You were the headmaster?

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Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by Lordave: 1:18pm On Jan 22, 2018
I don't understand why someone will sit in the comfort of wherever he is squatting and claim that words like 'soso, egwusi, ogiri etc' do not exist in the Igbo lexicon while comfortably claiming it was borrowed from his? Any such idiot should not please hesitate to tell us the first man to use such words, the man who brought and added this words to the Igbo lexicon with evidence and in which the incidents took place.

How could someone say agwa is not an Igbo word?

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Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by BabaIbo: 1:19pm On Jan 22, 2018
konoplyanka:


Yes I'm from eastern yoruba and we don't know esusu. The only thing we know is ajo.

However, I don't believe yoruba could borrow words from ibos owing to the fact that Yoruba migration pattern don't go east. We only go west and north.

The ibos on the other hand could have borrowed a lot from yoruba as they migrate to our land.

try to be diverse in your perspective... let's just agree with your movement structure, so when you move to somewhere you don't impact on them, they only make impact on you, is that your basis of argument or what... please learn
Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by Lordave: 1:21pm On Jan 22, 2018
BabaIbo:



ask question before you disgrace yourself outside... it has so many meaning in igbo.. I will list some out for you
nko- edged
nko- hook
nko- to tease or abuse some one
and so many more... can you tell me it's Yoruba meaning
I wasn't saying we don't have 'nko' in Igbo, but the particular 'nko'(considering the meaning) he asked about is not popular among Igbo speakers.

What you wrote up there is fact and I know about it.
Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by Probz(m): 1:22pm On Jan 22, 2018
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Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by maestroferddi: 1:22pm On Jan 22, 2018
Probz:


I’m from Anambra State so shut your face.
And who cares m whether you are from Oklahoma?

My mama tell me say we be Igbo...

If you are a nwafor Igbo rooted in Igbo culture and tradition, you wouldnt come here and be denigrating Igbo consciousness...





If

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Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by GavelSlam: 1:23pm On Jan 22, 2018
TerrorSquad147:
pls go and open a thread for the yorubas

Stop misinforming .
Don't accept mediocrity.
Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by somegirl1: 1:24pm On Jan 22, 2018
baby124:

I don’t know about a thread from 3yrs ago. But Egusi is a Yoruba soup. The way it is cooked and it’s name is all Yoruba.

Which way are you referring to? That you prepare it a certain way doesn't make it the default way across the country.

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Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by Probz(m): 1:24pm On Jan 22, 2018
maestroferddi:
And who cares m whether you are from Oklahoma?

My mama tell me say we be Igbo...

If you are a nwafor Igbo rooted in Igbo culture and tradition, you wouldnt come here and be denigrating Igbo consciousness...





If

I’m now denigrating Igbo consciousness for saying that some words are shared between Igbo and Yoruba?

I’ve seen it all.

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Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by scholes0(m): 1:25pm On Jan 22, 2018
Probz:


There’s no other word for banana in Igbo than ogede. That one’s also shared.

I saw you quote me just before. Did you think I’d reaffirm what you want to believe to boost your Yoruba ego?

Haa, they have already claimed Ogede oo cheesy

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Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by baby124: 1:26pm On Jan 22, 2018
Probz:


Are you stupid or something?

Wanna explain to me why Yoruba people now use ugu and uziza to cook egusi?

Una get mgbam (akpurakpu egusi)? Do you people cook egusi with bitterleaves?
People customize their Egusi however they like to. Traditionally Egusi is cooked with Efo tete. It is a big hard leaf Yoruba vegetable. Ugwu is an Igbo vegetable. By the way, Yoruba’s also cook with bitter leaf. Bitterleaf is Ewuro. You know nothing about Yoruba cuisine. So stop talking bullshit. We also have a lot of vegetable species we cook with.

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Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by Chukazu: 1:26pm On Jan 22, 2018
scholes0:


Nothing like EGWusi, it is Egusi, and it is it of Yoruba origin.

Igbos are the ones who add GW to words that have vowels following G.

The same way Igbos pronounce the Hausa word for Kolanut “Goro” as GWORO

Same word which both Yoruba and Igalas call Obi.

The same way you borrowed " ugu" leave from igbo

He who borrowed whatever doesn't make anyone less or more of a human

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Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by Originalsly: 1:26pm On Jan 22, 2018
Guyman02:
Wah gwaan bredrin, everyting ire ?

Ever heard the word “red ibo ” in Jamaica? Your suspicion is true, “red ibo” was used to refer to the Igbo slaves in Jamaica because of their light skin .
The land of Jamaica witnessed the influx of the Igbo race between 1790 and 1809 during the transatlantic slave trade .
The modern Igbo race dwelt in the Bight of Biafra in Nigeria . It was from here that the Igbos who were kidnapped and sold as slaves by the Europeans were taken to work on plantations .
During this period, the Igbos , due to their inability to speak the language , introduced some of their words which have now become infused in the Jamaican Patois .


I have issue with most of the above....did you make this stuff up? Igbo slaves were light skinned?...first time I'm hearing about light skinned slaves period. Slaves taken to work on plantations were all Black....dark skinned.
Africans were taken to t he West wayyyy before 1790..the slave trade was well established by 1790...and slaves were still taken there in large numbers after 1809.
Africans were not kidnapped by Europeans...can you imagine a European getting off the ship and running into the forests capturing natives?.....Africans were captured by Africans.... penned by Africans and sold to the Europeans.
The Igbos inability to speak what language? One if the first things the Plantation owners did...was to separate as much as possible those who speak the same language....a safeguard to prevent them from plotting. In any African community in the diaspora there still remain words that can be traced to any tribe....tribe not race that was taken as slaves. And yes...many such words are widely used in Jamaica because Jamaica's history is a bit different from the other countries.....and because of their history....Jamaicans are even today different from other nationalities that had a history of African slavery.
No problem trying to promote Igbos...bit please... get it right.

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Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by TerrorSquad147: 1:26pm On Jan 22, 2018
GavelSlam:


Stop misinforming .
Don't accept mediocrity.
k
Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by maclatunji: 1:26pm On Jan 22, 2018
somegirl1:


And yet the dominated's language and culture remained uninfluenced by the dominus. Instead the dominated greatly influenced the language and culture of the dominus's supposed exiled subjects.

How silly your assertion is.
Throughout the world, there are always traces left in the culture, language, place names and/ or phenotypes of conquered groups by those they were conquered by.

Sorry you are hurt, but facts cannot be twisted. The truth is a large portion of people sold into slavery in pre-Independence Nigeria were Igbos, it was not really fellow Igbos doing this but people with superior civilizations finding it easy to overrun the largely scattered Igbo villages that never found the ability to form a state of their own.

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Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by BabaIbo: 1:28pm On Jan 22, 2018
Lordave:
I wasn't saying we don't have 'nko' in Igbo, but the particular 'nko'(considering the meaning) he asked about is not popular among Igbo speakers.

What you wrote up there is fact and I know about it.



can't you see what he typed, "because they are now using it"...he didn't specify and you jumped to conclusion that's "nko" that both of them are debating on as if there is only one nko...
you should have asked which nko he's talking about and which nko the other guy is arguing on...

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Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by Probz(m): 1:28pm On Jan 22, 2018
scholes0:


Haa, they have already claimed Ogede oo cheesy

Ogede’s shared. Get over yourself.

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Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by Probz(m): 1:29pm On Jan 22, 2018
baby124:

People customize their Egusi however they like to. Traditionally Egusi is cooked with Efo tete. It is a big hard leaf Yoruba vegetable. Ugwu is an Igbo vegetable. By the way, Yoruba’s also cook with bitter leaf. Bitterleaf is Ewuro. You know nothing about Yoruba cuisine. So stop talking bullshit. We also have a lot of vegetable species we cook with.

And you know nothing about Igbo cuisine so shut your own mouth.

Una get akpurakpu egusi?

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