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Re: Nigerians - Leave The UK (United Kingdom) ALONE!!! by Heimdall: 11:45am On Feb 26, 2018 |
TWoods: The UK government makes it clear, no doubt, but it doesn't stop Nigerians from hoping they can get a job and stay back on completion of their studies...that's what most Nigerians travelling to the UK [b]hope[/b]for. Now telling them "oh i know someone that knows someone that got a job" or "you can get a job if you study IT or nursing" will further mislead them. You're just giving them false hope. What this thread is doing is reiterating the fact that it is [b]VERY HIGHLY[/b]unlikely to get a job after masters in the UK. Its good Nigerians get first hand info from other people that have experience the bitter reality in the UK. Do you honestly think most of the people going there are going just to get a degree and return to Naija without any thing to show? Until the UK government reviews their immigration policy, this thread is very relevant. Nigerians should stop thinking they can get a job there. Leave UK alone, don't flush your hard earned money down the drain. 6 Likes |
Re: Nigerians - Leave The UK (United Kingdom) ALONE!!! by dupyshoo: 11:47am On Feb 26, 2018 |
I agree with a lot of your comments but I don't agree with the bolded. Engineering is one of profession that it is easier to get sponsorship as British citizens hardly study Engineering. I actually know 2 people that got jobs as Elect/Elect Engineers in the UK after their MSc. last September and were sponsored. They had no work experience from Nigeria as they were fresh graduates. These people even came to UK on PTDF scholarship. So, it is all win-win for them. I am an Engineer too and I know quite a number of my friends that we came in together that have changed their sponsors while on Tier 2. I will be lying if I say it is easy to get a job as a lot of companies don't even understand the Tier 2 program, hence they don't even want to hear that you require sponsorship. As a lot of people have advised, think twice before coming to the UK to study. If you however decide to come, don't feel too bad if you don't get a job and you have to go back. It is a risk. It was easier before post study work visa was cancelled. For those that still have plans to come to UK to study, I will advise they start applying for jobs as soon as they get into UK. Most grad jobs open in October and they are closed by December/January. The mistake a lot of international students make is that they don't start applying early. Before they realise what is happening, all the grad programmes in big companies that sponsor are gone. Those that even start early don't understand how to answer their competency questions. I learnt in the hard way when I had my first telephone interview and I could not even answer any of the questions intelligently. I had to take my time to learn and I never failed any telephone interview after then. This the edge people on post study visa had. They would have spent a year to understand the system which will boost their chance of securing a job. Aphrodite007: 5 Likes |
Re: Nigerians - Leave The UK (United Kingdom) ALONE!!! by Heimdall: 12:01pm On Feb 26, 2018 |
dupyshoo:That's 2 people out of how many oh? Professionals in STEM courses are actually in high demand but like you said most companies won't even want to hear that you require sponsorship. If they were to sponsor someone, wouldn't they sponsor a more experienced professional as opposed to sponsoring a fresh graduate? 4 Likes |
Re: Nigerians - Leave The UK (United Kingdom) ALONE!!! by BossLaifay(f): 12:18pm On Feb 26, 2018 |
Aphrodite007:Don't mind them joor! Making the people that couldn't get jobs or sponsorship think it is their fault! "If only they started applying early" "If only they were more focused" "If only the did adequate research" But alas, all lies! People did all this and more still no hope! So let them learn from other peoples mistakes and experiences and then make an informed decision. 8 Likes |
Re: Nigerians - Leave The UK (United Kingdom) ALONE!!! by dupyshoo: 12:35pm On Feb 26, 2018 |
I don't know so many students, so I don't know the proportion. Even if you are experienced, it is still difficult to change sponsors. It is even easier to sponsor Tier 4 students as they don't require Resident labour market test. As difficult as it seems, some people still get a job. My former employer sponsored more than 10 of us at the same time (6 were Nigerians). A year after me, out of all the grads that came for assessment centre in my business (sector), only 2 were chosen and they were Nigerians. They were also sponsored. So, there are companies out there that are still sponsoring. It is good that people are made aware of the fact that it is difficult to get a job so they are not too expectant. However, there is still a slim chance of getting a sponsorship. It is their decision to either take the risk or not. Heimdall: 1 Like |
Re: Nigerians - Leave The UK (United Kingdom) ALONE!!! by Heimdall: 12:35pm On Feb 26, 2018 |
BossLaifay:Gbam! That's the essence of the thread right there! The false hope with which Nigerians travel is what we need to eradicate. 3 Likes |
Re: Nigerians - Leave The UK (United Kingdom) ALONE!!! by Nobody: 12:44pm On Feb 26, 2018 |
Bless you!!! Heimdall: 1 Like |
Re: Nigerians - Leave The UK (United Kingdom) ALONE!!! by Aphrodite007(f): 12:47pm On Feb 26, 2018 |
dupyshoo: Thanks dupyshoo. You made some comments that are true an some that I would like to correct. Britons don't study engineering compared to foreigners, very true, however, if they mistakenly have some British A-level students that apply as apprentices, the companies will happily send them for a degree and retain them, over picking a foreign engineering student due to the sponsorship wahala. Secondly, many non-degree Britons work in engineering, many (I stayed in a very white neighbourhood and saw this), so the only time they need foreigners is when they need an expert with a degree to oversee the non-degree Britons. Do you know the amount of engineering projects that occur daily in the UK, if they decide to employ qualified engineers, the UK would be full of immigrants, so they just leave the qualified engineers as supervisors and managers, rather than sponsor qualified engineers to get the work done. Now don't get me wrong, the fact that they don't have a degree doesn't mean that they are not great at their jobs, after all, is it not non-degree Germans that are Julius Berger in Nigeria, with just a few degree engineers managing them. You are wrong about applying early enough. If you like, apply the moment you land at Heathrow, the chance of getting any job, provided you need sponsorship, is less than 2%. In short, some websites are not even subtle, they wont let you even create a profile without first ticking that you don't need sponsorship. Now compared to the probable 5,000 engineers that studied a master's in the UK, just two got in- is this a success rate? Even you, would you tell you sister to study in the UK when there are options like Canada and US, where the labour market is more friendly, and nobody is pursuing you with broom to leave their country? 9 Likes |
Re: Nigerians - Leave The UK (United Kingdom) ALONE!!! by Aphrodite007(f): 1:10pm On Feb 26, 2018 |
dupyshoo: Correct me if I am wrong but weren't you in Scotland? Aren't the laws there a tad bit different and less competitive cos almost nobody is there? Also, take into consideration the fact that EU people are leaving (and they are because a lot of my European friends left). Look, I was a very popular student and knew a lot of people in different Uni's in England, if I had heard of Engineering students being retained, I think I would have mentioned this because I intend to give an unbiased view. Out of the almost 50 people I know between 2014 and 2017, the only ones that remained are the ones doing a PhD and the ones that married citizens. The one person that got an IT job, was Ghanaian and had ancestral lineage or so to the UK, so I don't count him in. My British classmates barely finished school and got jobs, as if they were waiting for them; proof that they actually need experts, but me, nothing for me, even when I had more qualifications and expertise than my 21 year old classmates that started a master's immediately after their bachelors. 80% of people that study in the US don't return, the only ones that I know that have returned are the people that their folks own the Nigerian govt but only 5% of the people that I know that studied in the UK remained because of their spouse... 5 Likes |
Re: Nigerians - Leave The UK (United Kingdom) ALONE!!! by Aphrodite007(f): 1:12pm On Feb 26, 2018 |
dupyshoo: Thank you Engr! I want to believe that 8 mill is too much money to spend on a slim chance 1 Like |
Re: Nigerians - Leave The UK (United Kingdom) ALONE!!! by dupyshoo: 1:26pm On Feb 26, 2018 |
Hehehe!!! I schooled in England not Scotland. If my brother/sister gets the opportunity to study for free in the UK, I will tell them to take it. Though, I won't advise them to come and spend their money here. With regard to your other comments, first, how many of them actually go for apprenticeship? They are very few. I am a STEM ambassador and I know the struggle to get home students to study Engineering. Even British-Nigeria teenagers don't even want to study Engineering. Most of them will rather go for easier courses. I could count the number of British students studying EE while I was in Uni. Yes, a lot of them work in construction Industry. Most of them are getting old and they need young people to fill their positions. Even those that are working just mastered what they are told to do. They sometimes struggle to make decision outside the norm as they lack understanding of the theory behind what they are doing. I never said you will surely get a job if you apply early. I actually agree with a lot of your comments. In fact, some companies will not even allow you to go further once you state you need sponsorship. I applied for over 200 jobs myself and got rejected for over 90% of the applications I made. Did about 5-6 assessment exercise and got 2 offers. That is less than 2%. You can imagine the amount of effort I put into it as it can take you hours to even complete 1 application. Despite the effort I put in, it is not just by my effort but favour as I know a lot of people that put more effort than I did but still did not yield any results. Aphrodite007: 1 Like |
Re: Nigerians - Leave The UK (United Kingdom) ALONE!!! by justwise(m): 1:53pm On Feb 26, 2018 |
Aphrodite007:learner, kid it will take you years to make that claim. 1 Like |
Re: Nigerians - Leave The UK (United Kingdom) ALONE!!! by TWoods(m): 1:58pm On Feb 26, 2018 |
LaudableXX: So basically the problem isn’t the UK government. It is our own misplaced sense of entitlement. Anyone with half a brain would know that the government (not the school) makes immigration rules. 2 Likes |
Re: Nigerians - Leave The UK (United Kingdom) ALONE!!! by TWoods(m): 2:05pm On Feb 26, 2018 |
Aphrodite007: The rules in the US are quite clear. Unlike the UK, you are not automatically asked to leave after your degree. In fact there is a 12 month to 3 year post study work scheme that almost every graduate qualifies for. You also have a dedicated work visa program that has remained fairly liberal. If the UK rules also applied to the US, there would be no point providing advise on the US threads at all. You’re making an apples to oranges comparison. |
Re: Nigerians - Leave The UK (United Kingdom) ALONE!!! by TWoods(m): 2:14pm On Feb 26, 2018 |
Aphrodite007: Frankly the bizarre arguments are from your end. Basically you’re blaming the schools for misleading Nigerians? People who can read and are expected to know the rules under which their visas were issued? Should we also blame airlines for not telling us we cannot live permanently in the US with a visiting visa? Hilarious. 2 Likes |
Re: Nigerians - Leave The UK (United Kingdom) ALONE!!! by LaudableXX: 2:32pm On Feb 26, 2018 |
TWoods:Try not to expose your misguided brand of clueless logic on this board. The UK govt says one thing on its' website, while the UK school says another thing on their website, and fosters a different impression through several exchanges of e-mails spanning several months, with the student. Which one will the student most likely believe, especially since they have forged stronger ties with staff and representatives of the school handling their enquiries over several weeks? The student is often left with the impression that the info on the UK govt website is a generalised one. All you need to do, since you are so aggrieved on the UK govt's behalf, is tell them to ensure that all universities admitting foreign/international students include a disclaimer on their website in bold letters, which states loud and clear that they are not allowed to work in the UK, after their pricey degrees. So that such students can ignore the hyped testimonials, about how many students get a job after parting with huge amounts of cash, for their pricey degrees. 5 Likes |
Re: Nigerians - Leave The UK (United Kingdom) ALONE!!! by TWoods(m): 2:36pm On Feb 26, 2018 |
LaudableXX: We are having a silly back and forth. The government makes the laws... it really doesn’t matter a jot what a school tells you. It is your responsibility to know what the law says. Airlines fly you to the US daily and Disney wants your money too, regardless of what they say, it is your responsibility to know that you cannot simply choose to live in Florida forever on a visiting visa. That is just plain facts... feel free twisting yourself into a pretzel in order to blame everyone but yourself for your own poor planning. Besides, anyone who spends millions to obtain a masters in the UK gets no sympathy from me. You could have obtained the same degree for far less in the US or Canada... again it boils down to proper planning. I’ve spent enough time on these boards to realize that this is the fundamental problem of most Nigerians. We are basically lazy and shortsighted, preferring to rely on “favor” and “prayer” rather than a clear set of facts and logic. We know the immigration rules, but we prefer to go ahead, “believing god” that “our case is different”. When it doesn’t, we put up long threads blaming the UK government and it’s schools. UK schools exist to make as much money from the clueless, if I were in their shoes, I’d do the same too. It is not their responsibility to teach you how to think. 2 Likes |
Re: Nigerians - Leave The UK (United Kingdom) ALONE!!! by LaudableXX: 2:41pm On Feb 26, 2018 |
TWoods:Sir, you are the one turning yourself into an aggrieved contortionist in your bid to defend the UK govt policies, mindlessly. All the rest of us are doing, is to ensure that the same policy is laid bare in clear terms, to those who want to come and study in the UK. It needs to be repeated with real-life examples, so that those who are about to take this step, can realise that better alternatives exist in other countries, and vote accordingly for what suits them. So why are you still wailing? Any Nigerian student who still votes to study in the UK, after reading through this entire thread and seeing the opportunities elsewhere, needs to see a shrink. 7 Likes
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Re: Nigerians - Leave The UK (United Kingdom) ALONE!!! by Aphrodite007(f): 2:42pm On Feb 26, 2018 |
dupyshoo: whoa! 200 applications, you are the real MVP! , when I grow up, I want to be like you. |
Re: Nigerians - Leave The UK (United Kingdom) ALONE!!! by erico2k2(m): 2:45pm On Feb 26, 2018 |
dupyshoo:Engineering is tough . Not for the easy head.16 years down the line I still face daily challenges at wrk we still greasy . But like I always tell young bud . The cost of studying Engineering and Biz administration are almost same . Think ahead b4 you U get admission . |
Re: Nigerians - Leave The UK (United Kingdom) ALONE!!! by Aphrodite007(f): 2:48pm On Feb 26, 2018 |
dupyshoo: True, True. I am also a STEM ambassador, as that's what BCSWomen is currently advocating for girls. So I completely understand the lack of engineers, however, it just a lack of supervisory/managerial level engineers (the decision makers) not the actual workers. So we are saying the same thing. |
Re: Nigerians - Leave The UK (United Kingdom) ALONE!!! by erico2k2(m): 2:54pm On Feb 26, 2018 |
Aphrodite007:Boys dey apply for 5oo jobs oh ahhahs Cos your CV is stored so in most cases you jst click apply |
Re: Nigerians - Leave The UK (United Kingdom) ALONE!!! by Aphrodite007(f): 2:57pm On Feb 26, 2018 |
LaudableXX: my dear, stop wasting your strength. I have given up on them, let them think what they want! They will tell me who has a more updated knowledge of whats going on in the UK. The painful part is that they would argue argue and still end up supporting what we have been saying since. Look at the one that says US gives 3 years post study visa, did it occur to him that that's why we are telling students to not study in the UK since it gives just 4 months post study? Please I am too weak to vex for anybody. 6 Likes |
Re: Nigerians - Leave The UK (United Kingdom) ALONE!!! by BossLaifay(f): 2:58pm On Feb 26, 2018 |
dupyshoo:Thank you for this acknowledgement unlike the ones that will say u didn't research and be feeling like they are in sync with the UK govt. 2 Likes |
Re: Nigerians - Leave The UK (United Kingdom) ALONE!!! by Aphrodite007(f): 2:59pm On Feb 26, 2018 |
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Re: Nigerians - Leave The UK (United Kingdom) ALONE!!! by Aphrodite007(f): 3:00pm On Feb 26, 2018 |
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Re: Nigerians - Leave The UK (United Kingdom) ALONE!!! by LaudableXX: 3:01pm On Feb 26, 2018 |
TWoods: (sigh) This matter is really causing you pain! So UK schools should engage in subtle 419 to collect fees from naive, unsuspecting international students??! Wow! I never looked at it from that angle before....it could explain why the UK govt has not insisted that such schools should put up a large disclaimer on their website and in their brochures, repeating that international students cannot work in the UK after acquiring such pricey degrees from their institutions. It would nip everything in the bud. International students will save their money. UK govt will have less breaches of their immigration rules. And the UK universities would lose a substantial amount of funds, that would have come in from the unsuspecting international students. I love it! 3 Likes |
Re: Nigerians - Leave The UK (United Kingdom) ALONE!!! by erico2k2(m): 3:04pm On Feb 26, 2018 |
Aphrodite007:Nah .true lol during my time we had nothing like CV library ohh nah to print plenty CV and store soft copy on floppy disk . Dey waka from office to office and JOB centre nah our 2nd home no broadband at home . No phone internet . |
Re: Nigerians - Leave The UK (United Kingdom) ALONE!!! by dupyshoo: 3:04pm On Feb 26, 2018 |
I have friends that applied for more before they eventually got a job. It will get to a point that you can easily formulate answers to any competency question regardless of how out of the world the question is. Nevertheless, I will always advise people to go for Canada PR instead of UK student visa if you qualify, except for medical doctors that find it easier to work in UK than in Canada. Aphrodite007: 3 Likes |
Re: Nigerians - Leave The UK (United Kingdom) ALONE!!! by salford1: 3:05pm On Feb 26, 2018 |
TWoods:LOL. On point, but you forgot to hard that most students that go the the UK route would not even get an admisssion from US school or Canadian schools because those ones are very competitive to get in even with a first class and getting their visas are tough. Their are UK unis that are hard to get in as well. The very good ones like UCL, Kings College, Oxford, Aston, HWU etc. The grads of these unis even stand a better chance of getting jobs as they are well known in their respective industries, but Nigerian students would most likely attend LSU, Leeds metropolitan, Sheffield hallam etc due to easy admissions and later claim no jobs to help them stay back after grad. They would blame everyone but themselves. It's the same way some student back in Nigeria would attend poly due to not meeting admission requirements of uni, then later come back to cry wolf that the government should also treat them equally as university grad. There is a trend in Canada too right now. Alot of Nigerian students are applying to lowly rated unis and collegea due to easy admission. They would soon open threads on how these schools lied to them and they can't secure good jobs to help them process PRs after expiry of their post study permits. 7 Likes |
Re: Nigerians - Leave The UK (United Kingdom) ALONE!!! by dupyshoo: 3:08pm On Feb 26, 2018 |
That is the truth. It is a lot easier to get admission in UK schools. Maybe that is why a lot of people are happy to spend their millions. Only people with scholarship actually go to top schools as the tuition can double that of lower cadre school. Despite the tough rules, a lot of Chinese are still coming to the UK. A lot of them don't even bother to look for job as they always go back after studying. salford1: |
Re: Nigerians - Leave The UK (United Kingdom) ALONE!!! by Olalekank(m): 3:11pm On Feb 26, 2018 |
LaudableXX: Me don unreason am since last week. I cannot come and go and waste money and 1 year again 4 Likes |
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