Eruditor:


Cheeky. Your clever infusion of net spend.

Well it was not net spend that Fergie had £500m. And £500M for Pep in 2 seasons for City is not net spend either.

Lol Mr A1 you don enter sunken place. Oya hear this one.....

In Fergie's 1st EPL season (92/93) his TOTAL spend was 3.53 m pounds which was (wait for it) SIXTH, behind Blackburn Rovers, Spurs, Arsenal, Liverpool, Aston Villa.
In Pep's 1st EPL season his TOTAL spend was 213m pounds which was 1ST in the league.

In Fergie's 2nd EPL season his TOTAL spend 8.5m pounds which was 2ND in the league behind Blackburn Rovers.
In Pep's 2nd EPL his total spend was again 315m pounds which was AGAIN 1ST in the league.

Again for those who do not have A1 in Further Maths, Fergie was 6th and 2nd in total spend in his first 2 seasons in the EPL while Pep was 1ST in each of his first 2 seasons in total spend (and led by a mile).

Eruditor:


Why not say Kante to Chelsea at £30M was a steal? Was it not? Should he not be more expensive than Vidic and Baka?

Rio is english so his valuation was hype. £7M in 2006 from wherever he came from was big money then. Today, even as an unknown prospect, he would have cost 30M. Just like Lindeloff.

Nawao this guy who did this to you? How can you compare Vidic the spartak Moscow player to Kante the EPL winner. You have to give credit to the managers that unearthed these gems and turned them to world class.

CapitalCee:


You must be very disinginous. I said Maguire and Robertson. For all we know, Vidic was a steal at 7m pounds. If Rio can cost 30m in 2001 Vidic for 7m in 2007 was a coup by all standard, why are you trying to be dishonest. Vidic was not known at all. It was reminiscent of the 6m Kante deal from cean of France. Stop being dishonest this man

Ask him what he thinks of fraudiolas decision to buy pique for £4mil pounds

Cruxifizio:



Ask him what he thinks of fraudiolas decision to buy pique for £4mil pounds

The guy na mumu.

afrodoc2:


Lol Mr A1 you don enter sunken place. Oya hear this one.....

In Fergies 1st EPL season (92/93) his TOTAL spend was 3.53 m pounds which was (wait for it) SIXTH, behind Blackburn Rovers, Spurs, Arsenal, Liverpool, Aston Villa.
In Pep's 1st EPL season his TOTAL SPEND was 213m pounds which was 1ST in the league.

In Fergies's 2nd EPL season his TOTAL spend 8.5m pounds which was 2ND in the league behind Blackburn Rovers.
In Pep's 2nd EPL his total spend was again 315m pounds which was AGAIN 1ST in the league.

Again for those who do not have A1 in Further Maths, Fergie was 6th and 2nd in total spend in his first 2 seasons in the EPL while Pep led in his first 2 seasons in total spend (and led by a mile).

760 in GRE Q should be a top score for a doctor.

Please, don't tell me Fergie came 1992. He had coached since 86 so did he not sign then? Can we calculate how much he spent compared with the world recording signings of that era to see what the value will be today?

Cantona and Brian Robson cost over £2.5M together. Those were not shabby figures in that day.

How much will pep need next season laidis?

CapitalCee:


Nawao this guy who did this to you? How can you compare Vidic the spartak Moscow player to Kante the EPL winner. You have to give credit to the managers that unearthed these gems and turned them to world class.

It is the normal way you guys argue here. You bring out something absurd and insist that is the opposition's position.

Even when Kante came to Leicester he was unknown. After the Leicester season he had some buzz but not PFA player buzz. He was signed for 30M. A year later, an older Matic** (meant to type Matic not Vidic) and Baka are purchased for figures higher than that.

Eruditor:


760 in GRE Q should be a top score for a doctor.

Please, don't tell me Fergie came 1992. He had coached since 86 so did he not sign then? Can we calculate how much he spent compared with the world recording signings of that era to see what the value will be today?

Cantona and Brian Robson cost over £2.5M together. Those were not shabby figures in that day.

Hehehe this guy went to rifle through my records. Well i have to say i was impressed with my scores also, thanks for mentioning it. LOL

A1 should be top score for an erudite person, so Ferguson signed Bryan Robson? Abi wetin concern Robson with this matter?
You want to add Robson that was bought 5yrs before Fergie became Utd manager? Are you well sir?

Okay Mr A1, in Ferguson's 1st ever season in English league (86/87) his net spend was -3m pounds which was DEAD LAST in the league.
Oya change to another shape you irredeemable shape shifter. hehehe

Dear Eruditor..... sometimes you win, while Sometimes you learn. You can't win this Argument with your pre-nursery arithmetic Logic.

You spent whole Night making no sense, cos you are still unable to prove your Points mathematically and scientifically. This ain't a simple arithmetic Class where Kids are learning Multiplication and Addition of Numbers?!

There should be a formula, or a Theory that clearly explains how you arrive at the Figures you are quoting. The Stone that City bought for £50m could be bought by another Club for a lesser Price cos he's not a proven Talent yet.

Thus there are factors and variables that must be carefully considered, mathematically analyzed and scientifically proven, but you are only proving your Points with simple Arithmetic.

If you are a Scientist, the World wouldn't have developed a bit, coz you would have woefully failed to propound a Theory or make a worthy Discovery.

Cruxifizio:



Ask him what he thinks of fraudiolas decision to buy pique for £4mil pounds

Pique Fergie preferred Johnny Evans over? Bought in 2008?

What is the question? That Westbrom asked 35M for Johnny Evans in todays market? So anyone who bought him was a big spender?

afrodoc2:


Hehehe this guy went to rifle through my records. Well i have to say i was impressed with my scores also, thanks for mentioning it. LOL

A1 should be top score for an erudite person, so Ferguson signed Bryan Robson? Abi wetin concern Robson with this matter?
You want to add Robson that was bought 5yrs before Fergie became Utd manager? Are you well sir?

Okay Mr A1, in Ferguson's 1st ever season in English league (86/87) his net spend was -3m pounds which was DEAD LAST in the league.
Oya change to another shape you irredeemable shape shifter. hehehe

You can trust that he will.. Ignorantly lost in his buffonery

Oasis007:
Dear Eruditor..... sometimes you win, while Sometimes you learn. You can't win this Argument with your pre-nursery arithmetic Logic.

You spent whole Night making no sense, cos you are still unable to prove your Points mathematically and scientifically. This ain't a simple arithmetic Class where Kids are learning Multiplication and Addition of Numbers?!

There should be a formula, or a Theory that clearly explains how you arrive at the Figures you are quoting. The Stone that City bought for £50m could be bought by another Club for a lesser Price cos he's not a proven Talent yet.

Thus there factors and variables that must be considered, analyzed and scientifically proven but you are only proving your Points with simple Arithmetic.

If you are a Scientist, the World wouldn't have developed a bit, coz you would have woefully failed to propound a Theory or make a worthy Discovery.

LOL.

Formula.

Eruditor:


My statement does not challenge his choice. I am showing how Lindeloff could have cost United £2M in 2001 and Fergie's spending would have been lower than what even Koeman spent before he got the boot.

In this same era that Barca got Dembele for a 100+, LFC got Salah for much more less.

Don't forget most of the players Pep bought around 2008-2010 will go for double triple fees these days.

afrodoc2:


Hehehe this guy went to rifle through my records. Well i have to say i was impressed with my scores also, thanks for mentioning it. LOL

A1 should be top score for an erudite person, so Ferguson signed Bryan Robson? Abi wetin concern Robson with this matter?
You want to add Robson that was bought 5yrs before Fergie became Utd manager? Are you well sir?

Okay Mr A1, in Ferguson's 1st ever season in English league (86/87) his net spend was -3m pounds which was DEAD LAST in the league.
Oya change to another shape you irredeemable shape shifter. hehehe

No I actually mentioned it to praise you.

But we have gone back to net spend.

If I sell 100M and buy 103M my netspend will be 3m. It can be dead last even if Woking spent only 4M on 5 players and sold none.

Eruditor:


760 in GRE Q should be a top score for a doctor

Please, don't tell me Fergie came 1992. He had coached since 86 so did he not sign then? Can we calculate how much he spent compared with the world recording signings of that era to see what the value will be day?

Cantona and Brian Robson cost over £2.5M together. Those were not shabby figures in that day.

Bros no one is questioning your education here....we are actually questioning how you have chosen to apply your education to the discourse on ground.

You cannot just throw figures around,compare value of players in different eras like you want....without giving us facts on how you arrived at your new figures. Even if it is an estimated figure you are dropping here......you must have considered some variables before coming to your conclusion since you stated those figures as facts and not assumptions or estimations....

Please, what are those variables you used in getting your present value for players? is what we want to know here Bros.....

No need for the grammar or to feel like one is questioning your level of education or intelligence here....just tell us the answer to our question or keep those assumed figures away from your argument. Thank you.

eph12:

In this same era that Barca got Dembele for a 100+, LFC got Salah for much more less.

Don't forget most of the players Pep bought around 2008-2010 will go for double triple fees these days.

My point exactly.

So is it not one-kain for people to use a managers spending power in 1989 to compare with even mediocre clubs in 2017. The mediocre clubs may still spend more because of the market today.

joeace2020:


You can trust that he will.. Ignorantly lost in his buffonery

Erudite nonsense.

We showed with net spend that Pep was no 1 while Ferguson was no 6 and no 3, he changed shape to total spend.

We showed with total spend that Pep was still a bigger spender than Ferguson compared to contemporaries, he changed shape with pre-EPL spending.

Now we have shown with pre-EPL that Pep was even a much bigger spender, i expect another shape change.

Gentlemen we are combating an amoeba here. While Dayo merely turns amala, this one extends and retracts pseudopods.

raumdeuter:


Longest winning streak in every league he played. If he can stay for 30yrs like Faggotson at the richest club, I am sure he will make more than 4 CL and win more than 2 titles

It's even more difficult to reach the top of the chain and still remain there, building championship winning teams after another...It's no wonder other coaches are struggling to replicate such feat, it isn't quite as easy to maintain the same drive after winning it all with a particular club.

Eruditor:


LOL.

Formula.

Yeah..... what you are failing to understand is simple as ABC. Let's assumed the same Stone Man City bought for £50m was priced by Southampton instead of Man City, do you think £50m would have been the Price?!

You ain't living up to your Moniker, coz I expect much from you than the warped Logic you are serving us. Also, I'm kinda sure your Eyes are clear that you've goofed but you don't wanna admit it.

Raumdeuter jumped in at some Points, but he quickly learned he ain't gonna win or able to twist the Argument - he jumped off and disappeared. You've failed to prove your Points beyond reasonable Doubt, hence I advise you to quit and enjoy some Sleep.

afrodoc2:


Erudite nonsense.

We showed with net spend that Pep was no 1 while Ferguson was no 6 and no 3, he changed shape to total spend.

We showed with total spend that Pep was still a bigger spender than Ferguson compared to contemporaries, he changed shape with pre-EPL spending.

Now we have shown with pre-EPL that Pep was even a much bigger spender, i expect another shape change.

Gentlemen we are combating an amoeba here. While Dayo merely turns amala, this one extends and retracts pseudopods.

To have good netspend you must sell players of great value. Netspend does not work here.

If you jump 5 seasons of Fergie coaching to talk about 92/93 total spend it is skewed.

If you compare Fergie's total spending with the rest of his contemporaries in England, that is fair. Only snag is this is pre-Fergie winning the substantials.

Fergie built his title winning 92/93 squad over years buying and buying and offloading where necessary to have that squad. He effectively had a better squad than most. That is BTW.

The crux of the issue is Fergie's united total spendings to Pep's in 2 years. I am saying you would inflate Fergie's to the present day market to compare properly.

Oasis007:




Yeah..... what you are failing to understand is simple as ABC. Let's assumed the same Stone Man City bought for £50m was priced by Southampton instead of Man City, do you think £50m would have been the Price?!

You ain't living up to your Moniker, coz I expect much from you than the warped Logic you are serving us. Also, I'm kinda sure your Eyes are clear that you've goofed but you don't wanna admit it.

Raumdeuter jumped in at some Points, but he quickly learned he ain't gonna win or able to twist the Argument - he jumped off and disappeared. You've failed to prove your Points beyond reasonable Doubt, hence I advise you to quit and enjoy some Sleep.

When you guys are fixed..next button is name calling.

Chelsea tried to get Stones earlier the figure was the same. Everton wanted something huge for him. Simple.

The question should be, would Stones have cost 50M in Fergie's day? Not at all. So a manager who paid 10M for Stones in 2001 for e.g is not less of a spender than the one that coughed out 50M for him in 2016. Markets changed.

Eruditor:


United Treble the team had 78points to Arsenal's 77.
Beat Arsenal 2-1 after Dennis Berg missed a penalty FA Cup semis.
Scored 2 late goals to win the UCL.

Arsene could very well have done that double.

But that team was miles ahead of a City team that has 84 by Match day 32.

When we talk about the amount Pep has spent compared to Fergie, you run around shouting inflation but look at you making reference to the point gap back then, how about we tell you that the Arsenal team in question back then was miles ahead of the one Pep is up against and that United team would have gone toe to toe with the present Man City team?
You see, the point gap you're highlighting only shows you how good a competition we were up against...
This is the premier league, we have seen it all, Andrew Johnson came and scored so much but after that season? He disappeared like the fart of a leprosy witch (coogar of blessed memory)
Darren Bent nkor?
Papisse Cisse most recently came and was scoring all manner of outstanding goals but where e dey now?
Talking managers, where's Ranieri?
Where is that Portuguese guy that was sacked recently by Watford, remember he was the rave of the moment after his stint with Hull City?
Who is talking about Conte now?
It takes more than a season of fine performances and winning trophies to be reckoned with.

elrony:


Abeg show us oga Fergie total spend in his managerial career .

Uncle, Me wey begin watch football yesterday go like know o

Please this was the question that started everything.....no one should allow eruditor deviate from the answer he responded with earlier....cuz I no understand this dayos clone


Cc afrodoc2 Oasis007 capitalcee etc

afrodoc2:


Erudite nonsense.

We showed with net spend that Pep was no 1 while Ferguson was no 6 and no 3, he changed shape to total spend.

We showed with total spend that Pep was still a bigger spender than Ferguson compared to contemporaries, he changed shape with pre-EPL spending.

Now we have shown with pre-EPL that Pep was even a much bigger spender, i expect another shape change.

Gentlemen we are combating an amoeba here. While Dayo merely turns amala, this one extends and retracts pseudopods.

Na Loki incarnate on Nairaland be dis.

Shape shifting per excellence.

At this rate I can't wait to see his performance in Avengers Infinity War.

patrickmuf:
When we talk about the amount Pep has spent compared to Fergie, you run around shouting inflation but look at you making reference to the point gap back then, how about we tell you that the Arsenal team in question back then was miles ahead of the one Pep is up against and that United team would have gone toe to toe with the present Man City team?
You see, the point gap you're highlighting only shows you how good a competition we were up against...
This is the premier league, we have seen it all, Andrew Johnson came and scored so much but after that season? He disappeared like the fart of a leprosy witch (coogar of blessed memory)
Darren Bent nkor?
Papisse Cisse most recently came and was scoring all manner of outstanding goals but where e dey now?
Talking managers, where's Ranieri?
Where is that Portuguese guy that was sacked recently by Watford, remember he was the rave of the moment after his stint with Hull City?
Who is talking about Conte now?
It takes more than a season of fine performances and winning trophies to be reckoned with.

That Arsenal team better than this one ? Yes.

But Liverpool..Chelsea..Tottenham are waaay better than the ones in that year so balances it out more than well.

United with 78points compete with a team that has 84 after 32 games. Haba.

Cruxifizio:


Please this was the question that started everything.....no one should allow eruditor deviate from the answer he responded with earlier....cuz I no understand this dayos clone


Cc afrodoc2 Oasis007 capitalcee etc

Bros, don't hold your breath on that one.

Leave him.

He has tied himself in so many torturous knots that he doesn't know which one he is presently trying to undo himself from. See how he is jumping from point to point like a cat on a hot tin roof.

Eruditor:


To have good netspend you must sell players of great value. Netspend does not work here.

If you jump 5 seasons of Fergie coaching to talk about 92/93 total spend it is skewed.

If you compare Fergie's total spending with the rest of his contemporaries in England, that is fair. Only snag is this is pre-Fergie winning the substantials.

Fergie built his title winning 92/93 squad over years buying and buying and offloading where necessary to have that squad. He effectively had a better squad than most. That is BTW.

The crux of the issue is Fergie's united total spendings to Pep's in 2 years. I am saying you would inflate Fergie's to the present day market to compare properly.

Seriously? Just two years of Pep?

Cruxifizio:


Please this was the question that started everything.....no one should allow eruditor deviate from the answer he responded with earlier....cuz I no understand this dayos clone

Someone came here and said Fergie spent £500m in his United career (26 years) compared to same figure for Pep in 2 years.

I said £500M from (1986-2013) in terms of buying players is not on the same pedestal as the market Pep is in. That we would have to adjust SAFs own.

I gave an example: Rio for 30M in 2001 who would be 70M+ going by VVDs figure. What have I deviated from?

Eruditor:


When you guys are fixed..next button is name calling.

Chelsea tried to get Stones earlier the figure was the same. Everton wanted something huge for him. Simple.

The question should be, would Stones have cost 50M in Fergie's day? Not at all. So a manager who paid 10M for Stones in 2001 for e.g is not less of a spender than the one that coughed out 50M for him in 2016. Markets changed.

The emboldened is exactly what I'm talking about, that's one of the Variables you are failing to understand. Chelsea is a big Club, also a big Spender, hence that does not determine the real Value of Stones.

Has Stone proven himself yet?! What about Laporte....... £57m?! Is he better than Lindelof United paid £30m+ to secure?! Pep is spending recklessly and outrageously to win the League, that's the Point.

Laporte, Stones ain't a better Player than Adarabioyo. Hence during Ferdie Era, how much do you think both Laporte and Stones would cost?!

eph12:

Seriously? Just two years of Pep?

No be you talk say SAF spend only £500M in 26 years and that Pep has spent close to that in 2 years.

In the late 80s top players were 750k-13M. In fact 13M was the world record in 89. 5M was world record in 84.

So is it fair to compare Neymar's 200M value to Maradona's own of 5M ?

Different markets. My summary.

slimghost:


You didn't watch the match but still want to analyse it? Just shift guy.
As for Lukaku, I have praised his him countless times on this thread and I really do not owe you any freaking explanation on my views in here.
Go and watch the first half of the match, then come back and continue with the analysis.

When one can easily find contrasting opinion on this same board ?.
I don Shift Comot.

Oasis007:




The emboldened is exactly what I'm talking about, that's one of the Variables you are failing to understand. Chelsea is a big Club, also a big Spender, hence that does not determine the real Value of Stones.

Has Stone proven himself yet?! What about Laporte....... £57m?! Is he better than Lindelof United paid £30m+ to secure?! Pep is spending recklessly and outrageously to win the League, that's the Point.

Laporte, Stones ain't a better Player than Adarabioyo. Hence during Ferdie Era, how much do you think both Laporte and Stones would cost?!

La Porte had transfer clause. Totally different. He was waaay less without the clause.

The point about Stones is..in this day and age his value was 50M. Let me even just go as recent as when Smalling was a hot prospect. How much was he?

Oxlade Chamberlain was 35M in this market. And Cantona was 1.2M. Andy Cole was 7M. Is it fair to compare?