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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Humility017(m): 10:27am On Jun 01, 2018
Mujtahida:

I no talk am?
anyone who have been following the super eagles lately will have no problem dropping Agu

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 10:27am On Jun 01, 2018
OMANBALA1:


The biggest problem the black man has is unity. Look at Forgiveness and his English friend and how they have tried to tear this thread apart but they have not succeeded because we have true African brothers here...Mujtahida dey , Joebie dey , Nerdie dey, Icons4 dey and my phucking self dey too.

By the way , Uche Okechukwu has always been a very cool guy


I know you well. You only love the slogan of brotherhood and unity when things favors you. I mean as long as it favors you.

There can never be unity in injustice. Be deceiving yourself.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 10:28am On Jun 01, 2018
Humility017:


Meaning Iwobi can be played too as SS besides nancho?
while Simmy provide cover for Ighalo

Iwobi can also play SS.

And what do you mean by Simy providing cover for Ighalo.

Iwobi is such a utility player. A gift to this team. I wonder when people say he should sit on the bench and wait for Mikel to get tired.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 10:29am On Jun 01, 2018
BascoVanVeli:


Only Kane is world class

You are right but are the others average players?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 10:29am On Jun 01, 2018
Martz101:


when you guys keep saying iwobi is not good in the wings it makes me laugh

these same people will say we don't have a number 10, abeg does it mean iwobi don't have a wing??

The truth Is or else you play a 4-4-2 you actually don't really require a true winger that sill need to connect with the 2 forward.

we play 4-2-3-1 just like iwobi team arsenal, when you play that formation, the 3 guys behind the lone striker interchange at some time and also go forward to assist the long striker, they are not really wingers. in arsenal you will see players like Ozil,Mkhitaryan and iwobi playing there...they are all potential number 10 and non is a true winger.

Jose mourinho adopted that same style in chelsea playing the likes of Hazard,Willian and Oscar behind a striker, non is a true winger
I feel that Iwobi needs space to flourish and if you want him to be effective he should play more centrally not as a false winger who needs to cut into the midfield. He should be a midfielder who drifts wide to the lines not a false winger who drifts to the middle. Granted I'm not a coach but that's my hunch.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by LieDetector(m): 10:31am On Jun 01, 2018
tbaba1234:


I do not want Ogu dropped. I am just analyzing the situation as it stands.

Joel Obi appears to be Ndidi's replacement, that means Agu or Ogu are in danger of getting dropped. The choice of who will be dropped is not so clear cut. It is actually quite dicey.

I personally think Ogu has played better than Agu so far. If faced with the choice of both, i will probably drop Agu.
I see it as Joel's last opportunity to show us what he's got up his sleeves

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Kog45(m): 10:31am On Jun 01, 2018
Joebie:
It’s so obvious. That’s why we are light years behind as a country. Now how would the players feel?
The NFF guys are real typical Nigeria politicians.

Do you think they care about eagles or Nigeria football than we do.

My man they don't care.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 10:33am On Jun 01, 2018
komekn:


What makes you a special talent is when you currently, consistently perform with that special talent year in and year out with commensurate upwards progression.

You certainly do not rely on past glories or using the national team set up to market your failing career.

I'll give you an example Dembele noticed him at 16 2012 at Fulham thay bought him from PSG he simply kept progressing.At 18 he was the top striker with the highest goal tally in all youth leagues. January last year Chelsea bid stupid money for him Celtic refused.

Dele Alli
Gomez
Raheem
Rashford
Lukaku
Pogba
Dembele
Mbappe
Ssegnon

All these players were considered special talents very early on even at the age of 9 years old and they kept progressing. They didn't have to play for obscure clubs or leagues. Thier outstanding talent kept pushing them forward not backwards. Where are they now Bible says " A man's gift will make way for him and cause him to stand before Kings" paraphrase.

The only person calling these guys special talent is you and the esteemed all-knowing coaching crew or the NFF. Nobody else of substance is, don't you think it's food for thought to reconsider your opinion based on anothers opinion.

Dont you think ❓ ❓ Nwokem

Look at Seyi Ojo bought for £1.8 million at the age of 14. Just turned 21 now and although doing ok i would not call him special talent anymore.

I could talk about Dan Tricket Smith considered special talent by Liverpool they paid near £350k for him at age 16, he was released in 2016, he is now within 1 year playing NON LEAGUE.

John Cofie was a team mate of Pogba when they won the youth cup. He was bought from Burnley at the age of 14 for £1 million by Man United. The accolades that followed him where crazy the next Drogba, etc, etc. He was released by United in 2013 before he was 21. He dropped so low that he began playing non league he is only 24 now.

Youthful exceptional talent has a sell by date after that it has expired if it has not been proven on the professional field of play.

I can count hundreds if not thousands of players that had Way more accolades that Nwakali and cost a lot more £££ than he did. I know players brought from Canada France etc within one year or two dropped. Some allowed to stay in the U23 and stagnate with dust. When time reach you are sweepf out and forgotten.

Meanwhile the esteemed all-knowing coaching crew of the NFF is still looking at past glories.

In football what you need is opportunity to show your talent but opportunity should be deserved not awarded by favour.

When I look at the number of skilful talented boys of African Nigerian origin that play in non league and lower leagues you guys would be gob smacked. But they never got opportunity. Why that's a long story and corruption is intrinsically linked in with it.

You have spoken well but you got the wrong person. He will not understand simple fact because his heart is full of corruption.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by eterisan(m): 10:33am On Jun 01, 2018
Kog45:
Good my man,now let's talk Nigeria/England and leave this Nwakili and Ajagun stuff,is becoming stinks.
Yes Boss. I eagerly await this game. Has always been a fantasy for me. Nigeria vs England. Between Joel, Agu, and Ogu whoever performs well in this game is on the way to Russia. I feel one may miss out on the plane. We have to wait and see.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Martz101: 10:35am On Jun 01, 2018
Mujtahida:

Is this not why I say most of us here read superficially? He is analysing things based on feelers from camp not necessarily giving his preference as to who is dropped or retained.
Let's endeavour to read deep some bit. It would help reduce unnecessary arguments here.

I have not seen tbaba1234's response to your post but I can pre-empt what he'd say in response to your query.

seeing the congo game again, i don't think joel obi was bad
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by andrew444(m): 10:35am On Jun 01, 2018
Mujtahida:

Is this not why I say most of us here read superficially? He is analysing things based on feelers from camp not necessarily giving his preference as to who is dropped or retained.
Let's endeavour to read deep some bit. It would help reduce unnecessary arguments here.

I have not seen tbaba1234's response to your post but I can pre-empt what he'd say in response to your query.

Tbaba has already respond
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 10:35am On Jun 01, 2018
Certitude:

The coach is listing him as a forward, you dey talk say 'to me'.
You funny oo
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Kog45(m): 10:37am On Jun 01, 2018
Icon4s:


Iwobi can also play SS.

And what do you mean by Simy providing cover for Ighalo.

Iwobi is such a utility player. A gift to this team. I wonder when people say he should sit on the bench and wait for Mikel to get tired.
If i get Humility right Simy providing cover mean a good sub for Ighalo.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 10:37am On Jun 01, 2018
Icon4s:


Etebo is in Russia already.
He merit am? The way that guy has underperformed is so fat. Bar Akpeyi Etebo ranks number one followed by Aina in terms of underperformance.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 10:37am On Jun 01, 2018
komekn:


He is in the Eerste Divisie the second tier of Dutch football. The Dutch Eredivisie league is rated 14 in Europe much below the Austrian, Swiss and Turkish leagues.

We are also talking about 2nd tier, Kluivert a clear and identified special talent plays in the Eredivisie for Ajax.

So do you think that it's in The Eerste Divisie that a special talent should be playing in. If he was special playing in a moi moi league and club by now he should have scored goals in double figures, have multiple MOTM awards and be the outstanding stand out player in that league.


Considering your stance how many goals MOTM awards How many clubs are clamouring to sign him. I recall Pogba left Manchester United U21 straight into Juventus first team at 20, I wonder WHY ❓ ❓

This is not about Nwakali per se but the system that selects players for national team selection based on past glories or assumed potential without any underpinning based on performance.

EXACTLY
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Martz101: 10:38am On Jun 01, 2018
andrew444:


Yes onazi form is bad,I am not even comfortable of him starting

Onazi was the best in the midfield in that congo match, he gave simmy the pass to hit the post, he gave nacho through pass that he wasted, he played the free kick that resulted to the goal, he was all over the place in the midfield.

He might not be the darling of this group but let's criticize players constructively

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 10:39am On Jun 01, 2018
realpoacher:


Haven't you heard?... Training performance is different from match day performance!

Performance in training can be highly deceptive
He is the king of underperformers and he has been consistent in that regard. Makes it easy for one to judge him.

But then I wish him all the best. Who knows what magic the land of the bear may work on his brain and legs.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Kog45(m): 10:40am On Jun 01, 2018
Martz101:


seeing the congo game again, i don't think joel obi was bad
Sometimes better to watch the match all over again to have good view and balance review of the team.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 10:40am On Jun 01, 2018
daveP:



To form the new "Simghalo" partnership!!!

The bullying job is undisputedly with Joel Obi. He should sleep in a Russia bed.
That Joel is rough ooo.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 10:41am On Jun 01, 2018
Kog45:
If i get Humidity right Simy providing cover mean a good sub for Ighalo.

OK. Thanks.

Because a player providing cover for another player also means covering space behind a player when he makes a forward run.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 10:42am On Jun 01, 2018
pelezico:
If Nigeria play like they played during the qualifiers then England will be beaten. England is not a good side at all - ive watched there qualifying games and they were atrocious. Nigeria can beat them and that includes Croatia, Iceland (Iceland I suspect will be tough for all the teams - you watch) and Argentina ( they have big problems - did you see them against Haiti - terrible)

Nigeria will dictate the game - watch and see



This current English team do not keep possession as much. They rely on counter attacks.

Don't be deceived.

It a very good test to prepare for Iceland match. They play with similarity but England has better talents which can make a difference.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 10:43am On Jun 01, 2018
Icon4s:


This is a 5 star comment.

They would rather put Iwobi on the bench and wait for Mikel to get tired before bringing him in.
And when Mikel is tired be ready for a midfield collapse because even bringing in Musa and Iwobi drifting into the middle will not save us cos Iwobi go don tire.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 10:43am On Jun 01, 2018
Icon4s:


This is a 5 star comment.

They would rather put Iwobi on the bench and wait for Mikel to get tired before bringing him in.
And when Mikel is tired and subbed be ready for a midfield collapse because even bringing in Musa and Iwobi drifting into the middle will not save us cos Iwobi go don tire.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Martz101: 10:44am On Jun 01, 2018
Kog45:
Sometimes better to watch the match all over again to have good view and balance review of the team.

yes very true bros

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by andrew444(m): 10:45am On Jun 01, 2018
Martz101:


Onazi was the best in the midfield in that congo match, he gave simmy the pass to hit the post, he gave nacho through pass that he wasted, he played the free kick that resulted to the goal, he was all over the place in the midfield.

He might not be the darling of this group but let's criticize players constructively

I am not criticizing him trust me,I am trying to say this is not the onazi of 2014.

Forget Congo game,onazi hardy give accurate pass this days.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by daveP(m): 10:46am On Jun 01, 2018
Mujtahida:

That Joel is rough ooo.


Yeah, but I just see him as the missing link we've been needing since almost a decade or more.
We always lose steam towards 65mins and so lapses come in and we lose or disappoint the fans.


Joel fits the player that would sustain intensity. That's the angle I'm actually seeing his usefulness.


SE have alwaysacked his kind. Been long.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Martz101: 10:46am On Jun 01, 2018
Icon4s:


Iwobi can also play SS.

And what do you mean by Simy providing cover for Ighalo.

Iwobi is such a utility player. A gift to this team. I wonder when people say he should sit on the bench and wait for Mikel to get tired.

and if Mikel refuse to get tired then he remains on the bench lol
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by BascoVanVeli(m): 10:48am On Jun 01, 2018
forgiveness:


You are right but are the others average players?

I didn't go that far.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by asha80(m): 10:48am On Jun 01, 2018
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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Martz101: 10:49am On Jun 01, 2018
Mujtahida:

I feel that Iwobi needs space to flourish and if you want him to be effective he should play more centrally not as a false winger who needs to cut into the midfield. He should be a midfielder who drifts wide to the lines not a false winger who drifts to the middle. Granted I'm not a coach but that's my hunch.

Bros your right up is contradicting, you want iwobi to play as a midfielder who drift wide but not a wide player who drift to the midfield??
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Kog45(m): 10:49am On Jun 01, 2018
Mujtahida:

He is the king of underperformers and he has been consistent in that regard. Makes it easy for one to judge him.

But then I wish him all the best. Who knows what magic the land of the bear may work on his brain and legs.
Muj i will not deceive you,so far am not impressed with Joel,Etebo,Agu,Echiejile,Aina,and Akpeyi.

These are the guys that would determine our performance not the likes of Mikel and Moses cos a good bench tells the depths of a team.

Hope to see them shake things up before WC.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 10:49am On Jun 01, 2018
Martz101:


Bros your right up is contradicting, you want iwobi to play as a midfielder who drift wide but not a wide player who drift to the midfield??

Yes. What is contradicting there. Mind you I'm drawing from your exposition that arsenal uses false wingers (as you called them) who interchange and move into the center(if I understand you correctly). I'm saying it should be the other way round. Iwobi needs space in his head to play in a flow. The lines restricts him even if he has to drift to the middle.

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