selemempe:
wat u just said is like saying that because we have ngwa igbo..wawa igbo...abakaliki igbo...anioma igbo...ikwere igbo etc that igbo is not one tribe.

All languages are creols. That is why 'what' means kini in Yoruba and gini in igbo

Wait! Ikwerre is Igbo?

fero007:


Wait! Ikwerre is Igbo?

if it speaks igbo and dresses igbo then it is igbo.

But for my own education bro...can tell me the difference btw an ikwere man in rivers and an nkwere man in imo

selemempe:
if it speaks igbo and dresses igbo then it is igbo.

But for my own education bro...can tell me the difference btw an ikwere man in rivers and an nkwere man in imo

Efik speak Ibibio, does not make efik Ibibio
Isoko speak Urhobo, doesn't make isoko urhobo
Many northern tribes speak hausa language doesn't make them Hausa

and again, ikwerre dress more like ijaw(kalabari) than eastern Igbo, also eat more ijaw foods, and dance more like the tribes of rivers state

fero007:


Efik speak Ibibio, does not make efik Ibibio
Isoko speak Urhobo, doesn't make isoko urhobo
Many northern tribes speak hausa language doesn't make them Hausa

and again, ikwerre dress more like ijaw(kalabari) than eastern Igbo, also eat more ijaw foods, and dance more like the tribes of rivers state

this is a typical ikwere dressing...any difference with igbo?
So ikwere dont eat igbo food? Wow.

The problem is that u dont know the meaning of ethnicity and tribe.

Igbo is an ethnicity
While wawa igbo or ikwere is a tribe or otherwise called clan.

What is ethnicity?
The state of belonging to a social group that has a common national or cultural tradition.

Tribe?
a group of people, often of related families, who live together, sharing the same language, culture, and history

Ethnic group is larger and more national while tribes are smaller and more local. E.g the 12 tribes of isreal. Are they of different ethnic group? No.

In England, the man from london and the man from birmingham have different tribes but same ethnic group.

If things are the way its supposed to be...ikwere will be in a larger igbo nation..just as efik and ibibio will be the same nation.

The white men used our head.

selemempe:
this is a typical ikwere dressing...any difference with igbo?
So ikwere dont eat igbo food? Wow.

The problem is that u dont know the meaning of ethnicity and tribe.

Igbo is an ethnicity
While wawa igbo or ikwere is a tribe or otherwise called clan.

What is ethnicity?
The state of belonging to a social group that has a common national or cultural tradition.

Tribe?
a group of people, often of related families, who live together, sharing the same language, culture, and history

Ethnic group is larger and more national while tribes are smaller and more local. E.g the 12 tribes of isreal. Are they of different ethnic group? No.

In England, the man from london and the man from birmingham have different tribes but same ethnic group.

If things are the way its supposed to be...ikwere will be in a larger igbo nation..just as efik and ibibio will be the same nation.

The white men used our head.

. The guy lacks real understanding of ethnic identity and classification

fero007:


Efik speak Ibibio, does not make efik Ibibio
Isoko speak Urhobo, doesn't make isoko urhobo
Many northern tribes speak hausa language doesn't make them Hausa

and again, ikwerre dress more like ijaw(kalabari) than eastern Igbo, also eat more ijaw foods, and dance more like the tribes of rivers state

Efik and ibibio are one people ethnically

Ikwere are ethnically igbos

Itsekiri are ethnically Yoruba

selemempe:
this is a typical ikwere dressing...any difference with igbo?
So ikwere dont eat igbo food? Wow.

The problem is that u dont know the meaning of ethnicity and tribe.

Igbo is an ethnicity
While wawa igbo or ikwere is a tribe or otherwise called clan.

What is ethnicity?
The state of belonging to a social group that has a common national or cultural tradition.

Tribe?
a group of people, often of related families, who live together, sharing the same language, culture, and history

Ethnic group is larger and more national while tribes are smaller and more local. E.g the 12 tribes of isreal. Are they of different ethnic group? No.

In England, the man from london and the man from birmingham have different tribes but same ethnic group.

If things are the way its supposed to be...ikwere will be in a larger igbo nation..just as efik and ibibio will be the same nation.

The white men used our head.

I did not say ikwere don't eat some Igbo foods o.

To me, mbaino, ngwa are dialects of Igbo nt tribes, ikwerre too has its different dialects

To the white man, all blacks have same cultural and traditional values, that is why there is no Igbo American, Ijaw american, just African american, so from your logic all Africans are same ethnic group

fero007:


I did not say ikwere don't eat some Igbo foods o.

To me, mbaino, ngwa are dialects of Igbo nt tribes, ikwerre too has its different dialects

To the white man, all blacks have same cultural and traditional values, that is why there is no Igbo American, Ijaw american, just African american, so from your logic all Africans are same ethnic group

africa can be classified as one ethnic group in a place like america...just the same way whites are classified as one in america....but wen it comes to europe...u get the british and the french...wen u come to british u get the english and the welsh...wen u come to the english...u get the liverpool person and the anglia person etc.

It is like that everywhere. Even in india...there is the kerela and the tamil etc. Indians have one main race, a few ethnic groups and then many tribes.

Now on the case of an ikwere man...i hear him when he speaks his 'ikwere language' more than i hear an abikiliki man when he speaks his 'igbo dialect'. Which shows u that all that are just actually igbo dialects.

U said that to d whiteman all blacks have same culture? That is false. The whiteman encountered different cultures during colonisation of africa and they are well documented.
See wat they said about the ikwere ppl themselves below:

selemempe:
africa can be classified as one ethnic group in a place like america...just the same way whites are classified as one in america....but wen it comes to europe...u get the british and the french...wen u come to british u get the english and the welsh...wen u come to the english...u get the liverpool person and the anglia person etc.

It is like that everywhere. Even in india...there is the kerela and the tamil etc. Indians have one main race, a few ethnic groups and then many tribes.

Now on the case of an ikwere man...i hear him when he speaks his 'ikwere language' more than i hear an abikiliki man when he speaks his 'igbo dialect'. Which shows u that all that are just actually igbo dialects.

U said that to d whiteman all blacks have same culture? That is false. The whiteman encountered different cultures during colonisation of africa and they are well documented.
See wat they said about the ikwere ppl themselves below:

If you understood the ikwerre, it depends on the dialect of the ikwerre. In PH, I know how many Igbos come for the first time and say they can't understand the ikwerre they hear. But apart from language ikwerre n ukwuani have other qualities that shows they different tribes.

And you're seriously bring Google's definition of ikwerre, same google will tell you isoko is urhobo, and efik is Ibibio.

I've noticed only those from the 3 major tribes will say ikwerre, ukwuani, ika is Igbo and itsekiris is Yoruba. Ikwerre themselves always hammer that they are not Igbo, and I've never heard an itsekiris saying he's a yoruboid person.

I STILL MAINTAIN! YOU CANT KNOW PEOPLE'S CULTURE BETTER THAN THE PEOPLE THEMSELVES

fero007:


If you understood the ikwerre, it depends on the dialect of the ikwerre. In PH, I know how many Igbos come for the first time and say they can't understand the ikwerre they hear. But apart from language ikwerre n ukwuani have other qualities that shows they different tribes.

And you're seriously bring Google's definition of ikwerre, same google will tell you isoko is urhobo, and efik is Ibibio.

I've noticed only those from the 3 major tribes will say ikwerre, ukwuani, ika is Igbo and itsekiris is Yoruba. Ikwerre themselves always hammer that they are not Igbo, and I've never heard an itsekiris saying he's a yoruboid person.

I STILL MAINTAIN! YOU CANT KNOW PEOPLE'S CULTURE BETTER THAN THE PEOPLE THEMSELVES

it took Egbert of Wessex many years to convince the 4 kingdoms of england that they are actually one english ppl. If the british guys didnt lump north and south together...the ikwere ppl would have been in an igbo nation.

The fact that u even say that btw the ikwere themselves that there are different dialects shows u wat am saying is true. I come from udi and i find it difficult to hear igbo spoken by some other udi towns in d same enugu state.

Wat makes an ikwere man to be non igbo and an abiriba man to be igbo?
U say they have other things that make them different from igbos....wat are those things exactly. I hear duncan mighty wen he is speaking his igbo.

Funny...the british chose to build the eastern port in ikwereland because they believed they were riverine igbos. (The british had a policy of allowing the major tribe in a region or nation to dominate.) The ikwere then didnt say they were not igbos because it benefitted them then. It was in 1979 that ikwere became a tribe in nigeria...after oil politics began in nigeria.

Of course the igbos want to regain wat they lost

fero007:


If you understood the ikwerre, it depends on the dialect of the ikwerre. In PH, I know how many Igbos come for the first time and say they can't understand the ikwerre they hear. But apart from language ikwerre n ukwuani have other qualities that shows they different tribes.

And you're seriously bring Google's definition of ikwerre, same google will tell you isoko is urhobo, and efik is Ibibio.

I've noticed only those from the 3 major tribes will say ikwerre, ukwuani, ika is Igbo and itsekiris is Yoruba. Ikwerre themselves always hammer that they are not Igbo, and I've never heard an itsekiris saying he's a yoruboid person.

I STILL MAINTAIN! YOU CANT KNOW PEOPLE'S CULTURE BETTER THAN THE PEOPLE THEMSELVES

Stop confusing Nigerian politics for natural ethnic classification

Everybody doesn't have to bear the same name to be of the same ethnicity
Germans and Austrians are the same ethnicity but two different countries

Try to understand this

[quote author=selemempe post=69343168] wat u just said is like saying that because we have ngwa igbo..wawa igbo...abakaliki igbo...anioma igbo...ikwere igbo etc that igbo is not one tribe.

All languages are creols. That is why 'what' means kini in Yoruba and gini in igbo[/.]

They do have different languages like the Ainu has its own language different from Japanese even the rok people too. Yes all languages are creoles proves my point more.

but sometimes it's not just by language that determines your tribe also world view and culture. Eg English folks migrated from Britain to North America in the US they still speak English though another dialect but it's still mutually intelligible but they culture and world view has changed so much because of contact with others and now they have they own ethnicity you won't even hear them calling themselves English again like wise Ikwere and Itshekiri to Igbo and Yoruba.

Sinistami:
but sometimes it's not just by language that determines your tribe also world view and culture. Eg English folks migrated from Britain to North America in the US they still speak English though another dialect but it's still mutually intelligible but they culture and world view has changed so much because of contact with others and now they have they own ethnicity you won't even hear them calling themselves English again like wise Ikwere and Itshekiri to Igbo and Yoruba.

but ikwere ppl have actually mingled more with other igbos than with any other ethnic group.

Ph is filled with igbo people. Ikwere was part of eastern region. So this ur example no follow

But tell me wat is the difference in ikwere culture and abia state culture

selemempe:
but ikwere ppl have actually mingled more with other igbos than with any other ethnic group.

Ph is filled with igbo people. Ikwere was part of eastern region. So this ur example no follow

But tell me wat is the difference in ikwere culture and abia state culture

MY GUY, I REPEAT AGAIN, YOU CANT KNOW PEOPLE'S CULTURE MORE THAN THE PEOPLE THEMSELVES!

fero007:


MY GUY, I REPEAT AGAIN, YOU CANT KNOW PEOPLE'S CULTURE MORE THAN THE PEOPLE THEMSELVES!

in ikwere's case i can.

This is oil politics

I ask again and again...wat is the difference btw ikwere culture and their closest igbo neighbours in abia or imo?
Just tell me a difference...any difference

selemempe:
in ikwere's case i can.

This is oil politics

I ask again and again...wat is the difference btw ikwere culture and their closest igbo neighbours in abia or imo?
Just tell me a difference...any difference

I stay in Ph and i know for fact that generally Abia and other eastern Igbos dont understand ikwerre n ukwuani when dey speak, (they may only be able 2 pick out few words) anambra Igbo may not fully understand owerri Igbo, but they understand far more of it than ikwerre. If not tell the meaning of Rotimi in Igbo, or Ighoroya, Ovhunda, epirikom, mbene, ajah, otefe?

Most ikwerre people dress like the kalabaris, and dance like them.

You said ikwerre claim of non Igbo is oil politics, but dont know that an ikwerre man does something wrong Igbos are quick to refute"he's not Igbo o"

And most importantly, ikwerrres n ukwuanis themselves have said they are not Igbo, and I dont see why you outside a house, knows more about the house than those staying inside.

an ikwerre woman, exactly like an ijaw woman

fero007:
an ikwerre woman, exactly like an ijaw woman

Bross thank you.

fero007:


I stay in Ph and i know for fact that generally Abia and other eastern Igbos dont understand ikwerre n ukwuani when dey speak, (they may only be able 2 pick out few words) anambra Igbo may not fully understand owerri Igbo, but they understand far more of it than ikwerre. If not tell the meaning of Rotimi in Igbo , or Ighoroya, Ovhunda, epirikom, mbene, ajah, otefe?

Most ikwerre people dress like the kalabaris, and dance like them.

You said ikwerre claim of non Igbo is oil politics, but dont know that an ikwerre man does something wrong Igbos are quick to refute"he's not Igbo o"

And most importantly, ikwerrres n ukwuanis themselves have said they are not Igbo, and I dont see why you outside a house, knows more about the house than those staying inside.

Rotimi is a Yoruba name... So now are we to say Ikwere are Yoruba because one man you know has a Yoruba name?

selemempe:
this is a typical ikwere dressing...any difference with igbo?
So ikwere dont eat igbo food? Wow.

The problem is that u dont know the meaning of ethnicity and tribe.

Igbo is an ethnicity
While wawa igbo or ikwere is a tribe or otherwise called clan.

What is ethnicity?
The state of belonging to a social group that has a common national or cultural tradition.

Tribe?
a group of people, often of related families, who live together, sharing the same language, culture, and history

Ethnic group is larger and more national while tribes are smaller and more local. E.g the 12 tribes of isreal. Are they of different ethnic group? No.

In England, the man from london and the man from birmingham have different tribes but same ethnic group.

If things are the way its supposed to be...ikwere will be in a larger igbo nation..just as efik and ibibio will be the same nation.

The white men used our head.

So the Etibo & flowing done adorned with kilari(coral beads) is now Igbo dressing? One day agbada & suit will be called igbo dressing, Ikwerre as a people imo are made up people from different groups, there is Rumuigbo in Ikwerre and RumuKalabo, Ororuwokwo, choba, iwofe etc clearly show the obvious mixture of peoples like every tribe, the majority of them identify as a distinct tribe.

fero007:
an ikwerre woman, exactly like an ijaw woman

how am i sure that this woman is not ijaw? because u say she is ikwere? Lol

nengibo:


So the Etibo & flowing done adorned with kilari(coral beads) is now Igbo dressing? One day agbada & suit will be called igbo dressing, Ikwerre as a people imo are made up people from different groups, there is Rumuigbo in Ikwerre and RumuKalabo, Ororuwokwo, choba, iwofe etc clearly show the obvious mixture of peoples like every tribe, the majority of them identify as a distinct tribe.

I have been going about reading ur posts on nairaland...about tribe and identity.
As far as Nigeria is still one, Rivers Igbo and Delta Igbo can claim any ethnicity or origin...nobody is dragging igbo with them.

But if Nigeria ever breaks up, let me tell u the simple truths that u can take to the bank
1. Every igbo speaking area will be part of Igboland.

2. ...no igboland will be allowed to go into a Niger Delta Republic.

3. What the ikwere or the ika say is irrelevant...we know for a fact that all igbos do not have the same origin. So ikwere or ika folklore about origin has nothing to do with them being igbo or not.

4. Its a matter of survival for the igbos...if we wont get the old biafran map, we would definitely have to get the full Igbo map...down to opobo. because without it we would be landlocked. If having igbo rivers or igbo delta is not a matter of survival for ss minorities...then best hands off on them. We die here.

5. You can call us land grabbers, biafrans (shake your head) or say every tribe hates us.. but how come we are not claiming ibibio or ijaw or bini or any of the many tribes that surround igboland? Why are we only claiming igbo speakers in ss?

6. We know for a fact that anioma and ikwere would have been proudly igbos if they were all carved into south east by gowon.

7. A repeat of point 4. If Nigeria ever breaks up...igbos will only have 3 options
a. Get the full biafran map
b. Get the full Igbo map
c. Die trying

For now...claim anything u want...we are under one nigeria and thats not changing anytime soon

OlaoChi:


Rotimi is a Yoruba name... So now are we to say Ikwere are Yoruba because one man you know has a Yoruba name?

Exactly! Since you can't say Rotimi makes ikwerres Yoruba, then you can't say amadi makes ikwerres Igbo

fero007:


Exactly! Since you can't say Rotimi makes ikwerres Yoruba, then you can't say amadi makes ikwerres Igbo

Rotimi is not an Ikwere name
Invalid argument

OlaoChi:
Rotimi is not an Ikwere name
Invalid argument

former rivers governor, Rotimi Amaechi

That is hw they said Uduaghan, name of former delta governor, is not an itsekiri name

fero007:


former rivers governor, Rotimi Amaechi

That is hw they said Uduaghan, name of former delta governor, is not an itsekiri name

Rotimi is not an Ikwere name it is Yoruba

You seem to think because an Ikwere name has a certain name that name must be Ikwere...

So basically, yoruba and igbo just believe they can go on sharing other people's land. And to the yoruba, it is ok to do it since the igbo are also doing it ?

prolog2:
So basically, yoruba and igbo just believe they can go on sharing other people's land. And to the yoruba, it is ok to do it since the igbo are also doing it ?

nor mind dem, they Even said opobo is Igbo land

fero007:


nor mind dem, they Even said opobo is Igbo land

prolog2:
So basically, yoruba and igbo just believe they can go on sharing other people's land. And to the yoruba, it is ok to do it since the igbo are also doing it ?

nyen nyen nyen noise. U should know this now...as far as we are under one nigeria, ikwere is not igbo...but if any event happens in d future and nigeria collapses, ikwerre and ph would be joined fully with igboland.

Why do u think that after many years, the igbos have refused to stop calling ikwerre ppl igbo? It is because we want to keep the debate alife. If nigeria falls, ikwerre as a distinct tribe falls with it. Thank God igbos dominate p.h

Why u minorities from ss cant hands off ikwerre and p.h is wat i dont know. Its not as if u guys dont have access to ocean.

selemempe:
nyen nyen nyen noise. U should know this now...as far as we are under one nigeria, ikwere is not igbo...but if any event happens in d future and nigeria collapses, ikwerre and ph would be joined fully with igboland.

Why do u think that after many years, the igbos have refused to stop calling ikwerre ppl igbo? It is because we want to keep the debate alife. If nigeria falls, ikwerre as a distinct tribe falls with it. Thank God igbos dominate p.h

Why u minorities from ss cant hands off ikwerre and p.h is wat i dont know. Its not as if u guys dont have access to ocean.

wey you, we minorities feed this country, so call us with respect

and pH is not Igbo dominated, Igbos don't own a grain of sand in ph, ph is shared between d ikwerres and d ijaws. and I mean main ph town itself, I stay in ph so if you tell me odawise I'll know ur lying

fero007:


wey you, we minorities feed this country, so call us with respect

and pH is not Igbo dominated, Igbos don't own a grain of sand in ph, ph is shared between d ikwerres and d ijaws. and I mean main ph town itself, I stay in ph so if you tell me odawise I'll know ur lying

lol I agree...igbo no dey ph. make i no argue with u bro..enjoy ur p.h

But open ur eyes o. SE igbos alone are about 20 million. 2006 census. It doesnt include igbos in north, west or ss. If nigeria break..do u really think the minorities of ss will be able to defeat the igbos in the battle for ph?