JackBizzle:



@bold;

Excuse me? Why are you sounding like a christian apologist? Hate the sin and not the sinner? So you now peddle this horseshit too? Have I left nairaland for too long or is this not the same Johnydon that I used to know?



Abortion is far more complicated than killing a child. A fetus is neither a child nor a baby. Any reproductive rights activist will tell you that abortion is never their first option. They only will see abortion as an option when other options (such as foster care, giving the child to granparents etc) are not available.




Guy, you have disappointed me with this apologist nonsense you just spouted. Especially with the homophobia thing. You seem to forget that the bible clearly states that homosexuals should be stoned to death and that in islamic countries homosexuals are still stoned or arrested.


And please, do not think too much about igbo culture or any other Nigerian culture. I am part igbo myself. Our Nigerian cultures are great but they are also backwards in many aspects. Case in point "osu" (untouchables) in igbo culture.

Maybe he has seen the light

JackBizzle:



This is 2018. Homophobia is not caused by culture anymore. But by religion.

Take a look at the UK. Are you saying that the homophobes in the uk are homophobic because of British culture? No. It is religion.

The same with Saudi Arabia and other Muslim countries. The homophobia is a result of religion as homosexual relationships existed within Persian tribes.

How many atheist nations do we have, and how many of them don't have homophobic.
Do your research well before answering.

JackBizzle:



This is 2018. Homophobia is not caused by culture anymore. But by religion.

Take a look at the UK. Are you saying that the homophobes in the uk are homophobic because of British culture? No. It is religion.

The same with Saudi Arabia and other Muslim countries. The homophobia is a result of religion as homosexual relationships existed within Persian tribes.

Just to be clear, when we say homophobia what do we mean?

Hating someone because he is gay ?

Or

Hating homosexuality?

Cus both are not really the same thing

jonnydon22, everytime I debate homosexuality both online and offline, whoever is against homosexuality would always use religion as the reason. that some cultures were against it at some point is inconsequential here as there are many things our culture allows that religion being against is made them stop doing.

I'm not going to commit black swan fallacy by saying there are people who are against it for purely cultural reasons but even if we see such people their culture built its homophobia on some religious dogma or its a religion on its own

I'm finding it hard putting my thoughts into clearer words right now as I'm a bit distracted

johnydon22:


Just to be clear, when we say homophobia what do we mean?

Hating someone because he is gay ?

Or

Hating homosexuality?

Cus both are not really the same thing

You are talking rubbish now.

If one hates a person because the person is gay, that is hating homosexuality.

If one hates homosexuality, then it will logically follow that one will also hate a person for being gay.


Both are the same. Both are examples of homophobia.

Earthkumy:

How many atheist nations do we have, and how many of them don't have homophobic.
Do your research well before answering.

Oga, make your point.

I am an atheist and I hate parables

JackBizzle:



You are talking rubbish now.

If one hates a person because the person is gay, that is hating homosexuality.

If one hates homosexuality, then it will logically follow that one will also hate a person for being gay.


Both are the same. Both are examples of homophobia.

So one cannot hate homosexuality without hating a homosexual?

Amazing

Saying something logically follows doesn't really mean it does.

hopefulLandlord:
jonnydon22, everytime I debate homosexuality both online and offline, whoever is against homosexuality would always use religion as the reason. that some cultures were against it at some point is inconsequential here as there are many things our culture allows that religion being against is made them stop doing.

I'm not going to commit black swan fallacy by saying there are people who are against it for purely cultural reasons but even if we see such people their culture built its homophobia on some religious dogma or its a religion on its own

I'm finding it hard putting my thoughts into clearer words right now as I'm a bit distracted

So what do you propose? Religions should remove it's abhorrence of homosexuality?

Yes there are so many good Muslims.
But I'm not talking about Muslims, I'm talking about Islam. Their religion is the problem, not the Muslims.

s4cs:




but there are some good one's amongst them

hopefulLandlord:
jonnydon22, everytime I debate homosexuality both online and offline, whoever is against homosexuality would always use religion as the reason. that some cultures were against it at some point is inconsequential here as there are many things our culture allows that religion being against is made them stop doing.

I'm not going to commit black swan fallacy by saying there are people who are against it for purely cultural reasons but even if we see such people their culture built its homophobia on some religious dogma or its a religion on its own

I'm finding it hard putting my thoughts into clearer words right now as I'm a bit distracted

Homosexual is a crime in Nigeria
15 years imprisonment if you are caught.

Nigeria population said they don't want it
Period

JackBizzle:


Oga, make your point.

I am an atheist and I hate parables

Believe me you are not atheist and you not anything close to atheist.
Your atheist just end on faceless online period.
If we see an atheist we will know

Let me answer my question for you in peace

China, Japan and Russia have the world highest population of atheist and none of the nations tolerate homosexuality

With or with religion people will still not tolerate homosexuality

Earthkumy:


Believe me you are not atheist and you not anything close to atheist.
Your atheist just end on faceless online period.
If we see an atheist we will know

As expected, you have nothing important to say.

JackBizzle:
Religion is one problem amongst many.

Christianity and Islam give rise to

-homophobia
-anti-reproductive rights
-scientific ignorance
-religious terrorism and wars
Etc

next? so? are you sober, i mean, in your right mind? ignorance is a disease, right?

johnydon22:
I did not reply that comment because of the bold assumptions it was built on. Homosexuality in ancient cultures is a wildly debated topic more so in Egypt.

Most cultures were neither indifferent or did not have a concept of homosexuality within them. Some strickly abhors them, some practised it.

And pointing out sango's disciples dressed like women does not really suggest homosexual relationships.

I know some people that interpret Jesus having 12 men as disciples to homosexuality. It's just fitting a contemporary narrative into unlikely timeline to score points.

In ancient Igbo soceity, a woman with a dead son or dead husband and cannot have any more children can marry another woman but this marriage is not on a sexual note, the new wife is meant to sleep with other men to produce children to continue the family name.

I'm not saying that Judeo-Christian doctrines do not contribute to some abhorrence of homosexuality, i am saying many cultures already do so without the influence of Judeochristian religions.

Ofcos Sango followers cross dressing like a female does not mean they are homosexuals but it means men dressing like a female was well practiced in Yoruba culture therefore homosexuality was not an issue. Today if a man dressed up like a female, braid his hair, you will see some people condemning the person, saying it's not part of Yoruba culture for men to cross dress like a woman, meanwhile it is/was part of Yoruba culture but religion has influence thier thinking/ideology.

Secondly, homosexuality has been said to be a practice in Africa according studies.

However, since the early 2000s, historians, ethnographers, and scholars have not only worked on debunking the myth that homosexuality is un-African but have also documented Africans' same-sex sexual practices before, during, and after colonialism, resolutely adopting Afrocentric queer perspectives in their works and thereby engaging in a productive and multivalent dialogue with U.S.-based queer studies .

(Ekine and Abbas 2013 Ekine, Sokari, and Hakima Abbas. (2013). Introduction. In Queer African Reader, edited by Sokari Ekine and Hakima Abbas, 1–8. Dakar, Senegal: Pambazuka.

; Epprecht 2004 Epprecht, Marc. (2004). Hungochani: The History of a Dissident Sexuality in Southern Africa. Montréal, Canada: McGill-Queen's University Press.

, 2008 Epprecht, Marc. (2008). Heterosexual Africa? The History of an Idea from the Age of Exploration to the Age of AIDS. Athens: Ohio University Press.

; Gunkel 2010 Gunkel, Henriette. (2010). The Cultural Politics of Female Sexuality in South Africa. New York: Routledge.

; Hoad 2007 Hoad, Neville. (2007). African Intimacies: Race, Homosexuality, and Globalization. Minneapolis: University of Minnesota Press.

; Massaquoi 2008 Massaquoi, Notisha. (2008). “The Continent as a Closet: The Making of an African Queer Theory.” Outliers 1(1): 50–6
; Munro 2012 Munro, Brenna M. (2012). South Africa and the Dream of Love to Come: Queer Sexuality and the Struggle for Freedom. Minneapolis: University of Minnesota.

; Nyanzi 2014 Nyanzi, Stella. (2014). “Queering Queer Africa.” In Reclaiming Afrikan: Queer Perspectives on Sexual and Gender Identities, edited by Zethu Matebeni, 61–66. Athlone, South Africa: Modjaji Books
; Woubshet 2010 Woubshet, Dagmawi. (2010). “New World Alphabet.” Transition 103: 118–121.
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/10894160.2016.1146031?src=recsys

Holyede:
next? so? are you sober, i mean, in your right mind? ignorance is a disease, right?

What is this one saying?

JackBizzle:


As expected, you have nothing important to say.

Let me answer my question for you in peace

China, Japan and Russia have the world highest population of atheist and none of the nations tolerate homosexuality

With or with religion people will still not tolerate homosexuality

Earthkumy:



Homosexual is a crime in Nigeria
15 years imprisonment if you are caught.

Nigeria population said they don't want it
Period

That's because religion has influenced majority ideology, Nigeria claim to be secular-libral state but it's not.

Earthkumy:





Let me answer my question for you in peace

China, Japan and Russia have the world highest population of atheist and none of the nations tolerate homosexuality

With or with religion people will still not tolerate homosexuality

Falsehoods! As expected, you are full of crap.


1) There is a huge presence of christianity in Russia. Only 25% of the population are atheists.


2) Japan has a huge number of atheists and here is a statement on homosexuality in Japan;

Japan has no laws against homosexual activity and has some legal protections for gay individuals. In addition, there are some legal protections for transgender individuals. Consensual sex between adults of the same sex is legal, but some prefectures set the age of consent for same-sex sexual activity higher than for opposite-sex sexual activity.

While civil rights laws do not extend to protection from discrimination based on sexual orientation, some governments have enacted such laws. The government of Tokyo has passed laws that ban discrimination in employment based on sexual identity.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_Japan#Politics_and_law


3) China is a totalitarian communist country. End of story

Amberon11:
Yes there are so many good Muslims.
But I'm not talking about Muslims, I'm talking about Islam. Their religion is the problem, not the Muslims.

i actually heard that killing the infidels secures your place in heaven and some virgins that will keep u company till eternity.

Religion is a Scam....
The bible says men fall into sin when Adam and Eve eat the forbidden fruit....Anybody born after that were born sinners.
Why is it that when Jesus Christ was crucify for the sin men, anybody born after that were not saint? if the death of Jesus Christ is for remission of sin..then automatically, everybody on earth today should be saint... not sinner again.
if all of us are still born sinner, what it is the purpose of the death of Jesus to appeal God?
Religion is a scam indeed.

akeensbussy:
Religion is a Scam....
The bible says men fall into sin when Adam and Eve eat the forbidden fruit....Anybody born after that were born sinners.
Why is it that when Jesus Christ was crucify for the sin men, anybody born after that were not saint? if the death of Jesus Christ is for remission of sin..then automatically, everybody on earth today should be saint... not sinner again.
if all of us are still born sinner, what it is the purpose of the death of Jesus to appeal God?
Religion is a scam indeed.

Are you saying this from your heart?

hahn:


I have had my fair share of ridiculous arguments with winner01(the meaningless meme lord), kingebukasblog(with his unnecessary use of big words and eventual confusion between deism and christianity) to 4evergod(the serial scammer as it turned out) but I have always avoided that butterfleo for his open display of stupidity.

I'd rather concentrate on my business and family.

No matter how you try you cannot convince an adult that his imaginary friend is not real. Something he/she should have figured out when he became a teenager. At least

Haha I really don't know how you guys do it. Going back and forth with idiotts.

1Sharon:



Haha I really don't know how you guys do it. Going back and forth with idiotts.

Don't mind them abeg

hopefulLandlord:
jonnydon22, everytime I debate homosexuality both online and offline, whoever is against homosexuality would always use religion as the reason. that some cultures were against it at some point is inconsequential here as there are many things our culture allows that religion being against is made them stop doing.

I'm not going to commit black swan fallacy by saying there are people who are against it for purely cultural reasons but even if we see such people their culture built its homophobia on some religious dogma or its a religion on its own

I'm finding it hard putting my thoughts into clearer words right now as I'm a bit distracted

I have been vindicated. I have been claiming for some time now that johnydon22 usually is hesitant to blame religion for the problems it causes

superhumanist:


I have been vindicated. I have been claiming for some time now that johnydon22 usually is hesitant to blame religion for the problems it causes

No No that is not what Johnydon22 is doing. He is rather not blaming Religion for all the problems of the world, also not saying that religion is the biggest problem of the world.

And i think it is absurd to say religion is the biggest problem of the world and cause of most problems of the world as often implied

johnydon22:
No No that is not what Johnydon22 is doing. He is rather not blaming Religion for all the problems of the world, also not saying that religion is the biggest problem of the world.

And i think it is absurd to say religion is the biggest problem of the world and cause of most problems of the world as often implied

It takes people who reasoning have escaped to believe religion is the problem of the world.

You are on point

johnydon22:
No No that is not what Johnydon22 is doing. He is rather not blaming Religion for all the problems of the world, also not saying that religion is the biggest problem of the world.

And i think it is absurd to say religion is the biggest problem of the world and cause of most problems of the world as often implied

Religion is a major problem in this world. You are free to dance around this fact.

Earthkumy:
The Yoruba tribe have proved, the answer to the above question is no, religion is not our problem.

My former landlord in Lagos is a Muslim, his first wife is a traditionalist, his third wife is a christian, I didn't met his second wife, his children some are Mulims, some are pastors and Christians. And they leave in peace and happily.


Religious hate and wars are sponsored by politicians and business men with devil who make fortune out of war.


And fought by fools who do not know they are being used, to destroy mankind and please the devil.


God want us all to leave in Justice and love, which bring peace


But devil wants us to have peace without justice, and love which will burst out in hate and war to devils joy.



Jesus loves you and wants you to show love and justice
Everywhere you go

Religion is the only problem on earth.

Atheism is the biggest problem in the world at this moment. It is responsible for the most suffering and death in human history.

rekinomtla:
Atheism is the biggest problem in the world at this moment. It is responsible for the most suffering and death in human history.

There were atheists before communism that were never communists

There were atheists during the era of communism that were never communists

There are atheists after communism that still do not support communism



Summary: only a mentally deranged and dishonest person would say that communism is a product or doctrine of atheism

JackBizzle:



There were atheists before communism that were never communists

There were atheists during the era of communism that were never communists

There are atheists after communism that still do not support communism



Summary: only a mentally deranged and dishonest person would say that communism is a product or doctrine of atheism

I didn't say communism is a product of atheism. Atheists will tell you that, they the champions of communism. Fact is atheist communists caused the most suffering and death in human history. Atheism has no respect for morals.

No. It is The Way, The Truth and The Life. It is The Solution to Peace and Charities.