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Re: Donald Trump: If Iran Wants A Fight That Will Be The Official End Of Iran by OkpaNsukkaisBae(m): 9:49am On May 21, 2019 |
Efewestern: Nope.. You're wrong. There was a reason the IDF were bombing the civilian infrastructure/population. Secondly they didn't defeat Israel . before the war hezbollah was a state within a state.. Controlled southern Lebanon, but were later replaced by a Lebanese army and an International force. Is that how to win a war? Even the Israeli soldier they killed/taken as prisoners were returned to Israel.. (Israel returned hezbollah prisoners/remains of dead soldiers) How's that a military victory for hezbollah?? 1 Like |
Re: Donald Trump: If Iran Wants A Fight That Will Be The Official End Of Iran by OBAGADAFFI: 9:56am On May 21, 2019 |
Efewestern: Hezbollah is using Gorilla warfare, which common among most terrorist group like ISIS, BOKO-HARAM in Nigeria,Iraq and others Hezbollah don't have specific country operation, so they can confront Israel in conventional Battle. |
Re: Donald Trump: If Iran Wants A Fight That Will Be The Official End Of Iran by Seebrian(m): 10:03am On May 21, 2019 |
As an astute diplomat, I advocate dialogue and negotiation as a last resort for the current tension in the Middle East. Wars is not an option to settle dispute among the state actors. If it were Syria would have been peaceful now. |
Re: Donald Trump: If Iran Wants A Fight That Will Be The Official End Of Iran by Tip101(m): 10:23am On May 21, 2019 |
mvem:Lol... Your comment makes me laugh. And for you to think I’m obsessed with US makes it more funny. Before US recognized Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, they had to go call a UN summit with the G7 nations which includes Russia and China, but they got voted against, after which they called a UN summit including all the countries but still got voted against, but what happened, they went ahead and recognized Jerusalem as its capital and nothing and no one till today could do anything about it. About US been schooled by Syria, is not true. US pulled out, go back and watch Trump’s presidential campaign again. Didn’t you notice one of the first thing he did was ban some Islamic countries? See war is about interests and Trump doesn’t have interest in all those Middle East except Israel and he already did what he said he would do there, which is backing Israel and recognizing Jerusalem as the capital of Israel. Last year, the US had issues with Turkey, though it didn’t escalate, but it did what Trump wanted, to let Erdogan know, he’s the one in charge and he mean business and that Turkey is not going to be having a field’s day like they used to. They got checkmated and since then, have you seen Erdogan making mouth like he used to, even tho Russia is an ally? And it was after then that Trump went to Russia to visit Putin after which he was given a football as a gift, which I assure you is not in the White House. On George Bush’s fallout, do you know his family deals in weapon? The more fight US fights, the more money he makes for his family, that’s why the fallout happened, because the people realized he was making money for his family and not because he has the country’s interest at heart. Last year, US was directly supplying weapons to Crimea including training their soldiers to fight against Russia, but Putin never said a word, he thought he would be able to conquer Crimea, but he was so wrong and failed. Crimea is still standing today, you know why? Because they had the US backing them. About North Korea, how long has Kim been building and testing his missiles before Trump came? Let me tell you what you don’t know, while Kim was busy rambling, the US troops were very close to it’s shores, all they needed was a go ahead to invade, they already perfected the plans, with formations and everything (I think they said they want to bring Kim on his knees within 30min or so, don’t really remember anymore) even Kim wasn’t aware. It was when he agreed on the denuclearization that US troops had to leave. With all Kim’s ranting about bombing the US, why didn’t he go ahead? Why didn’t he even bomb the US backed South Korea that is it’s neighbor? If he had, I swear the only time we would be hearing about North Korea will be in history books. Fine US might be a bully, but they just don’t throw their powers anyhow. US don’t have to brag or drag being the No 1 country with anyone, that’s just who they are. And during Sadam Hussein’s era in Iraq, who do you think was supplying weapons to Sadam while he was fighting his war? Same US that supplied him weapons invaded Iraq that he was building a nuclear weapon, when he resisted arrest, they fueled a protest and arrested him for war crimes. They didn’t grant him access to attorney, and the only person that was allowed to visit him was a doctor when his health was failing until his death was later televised live on tv. The only reason US is still cool with Russia is because of Trump’s personal relationship with Putin and not because of fears. You think if it was Hillary Clinton, Russia and US, wouldn’t have gone to war. You might think US might not have the financial power to fight wars for now, but pray they don’t have your time and never give them any reason to. Do you even know that Trump has an executive order that can make him invade any country if he deems them a threat to America? The reason the US are having issues invading Iran is because they still do not feel threatened. If US feels it’s citizens are being threatened, I assure you they will invade Iran and China, Russia and Turkey wouldn’t do a thing. Since Iran has been making mouth about owning a nuclear weapon, has Trump ever been like this? Why is it now that they launched a missile close to it’s embassy. Bro America don’t joke with their citizen, America can go to war because of just one citizen and they will be justified. See they don’t even need much, Iran should just bomb the US’ embassy and let’s see what will happen, that’s when you will know Russia and China are just ally when it comes to all those their middle eastern neighbors and not against the US... Libya was part of Middle East and one of the dominant country including Iran, Egypt etc when US invaded, and NOTHING happened. Even Obama had to say that was the only thing he regretted during his regime. The reason US hasn’t gone to war with Russia and China is because of the NATO agreement and not out of fear. When you think you have an ally, it’s against other countries, but definitely not against US because you will be left so disappointed when the US decides to treat your f@$k up 2 Likes |
Re: Donald Trump: If Iran Wants A Fight That Will Be The Official End Of Iran by Efewestern: 10:31am On May 21, 2019 |
OkpaNsukkaisBae: Hezbollah wasn't a state within a state, it was/is a resistant movement, they are part of the Lebanese government, control 1/3 of the Senate seat I guess. When Hezbollah kidnapped some Israeli soldiers, Israel became angry and vowed to crush Hezbollah within a month, so they carried out airstrikes in southern Lebanon, hoping that will force the Lebanese government to surrender Hezbollah to them, unknown to IDF, Hezbollah has dug a lot of deep tunnels and bunker where they kept most of their rockets and weapons. After series of bombing, Hezbollah never stopped firing rockets into Isreal territory, meaning the airstrikes weren't effective, so Isreal Prime Minister approved a ground invasion to finally crush Hezbollah, they so underrated Hezbollah and thought Hezbollah were some kind of untrained Arab men with riffle. When they got to Lebanon Hezbollah smashed most of their trucks/tanks, they couldn't believe their eyes, on one occasion an infantry refused advancing forward because they fear Hezbollah will crush them (They were later detained). In the battle of Bint Jbeil, Hezbollah surprised IDF with their doggedness, a few men guided the entire village. Till the war ended, Hezbollah never stopped fighting, and showed no signs of giving up, even Israeli medias were disappointed. OBAGADAFFI: Hezbollah used Guerilla warfare during their first battle with Isreal, but quickly embraced a new doctrine, transforming itself from a predominantly guerrilla force into a formidable quasi-conventional fighting force. They have specific territories, in fact IDF ground troops refused advancing towards Hezbollah controlled area. Israel lost most of her conventional war skills fighting unarmed women and kids in Palestine, that when they met a real force they couldn't deliver. While both parties claim victory, this will be the first time Isreal leaves a battle without achieving her aims or getting Hezbollah to do things according to their terms. Hezbollah destroyed the myth that they were undefeated. That war alone brought a lot of Shame to IDF. you can download "We were caught unprepared" and read about the war. 1 Like |
Re: Donald Trump: If Iran Wants A Fight That Will Be The Official End Of Iran by OBAGADAFFI: 10:54am On May 21, 2019 |
Efewestern: Hezbollah is still using Guerilla warfare till date. Every time Hezbollah attack Israel they do it with CIVILIAN SHIELD , that is why IDF retaliation always result in more civilian casualties. If Israel should go hard on Hezbollah, they will wipe off GAZA, and LEBANON . |
Re: Donald Trump: If Iran Wants A Fight That Will Be The Official End Of Iran by Ibrahimmrfish(m): 11:13am On May 21, 2019 |
OkpaNsukkaisBae:B4 the war there was over 3000 Lebanese prisoners of war in Israel prisons.Labanese government try all they can for Israel to release them but they refused.A month before the war,Hizbollah leader Hassan Nasarella made a promise in a rally to get the 3000 prisoners out of Israel prisons.A month later,he order the kidnapping of Israel soldiers.Isreal vows never to release a single one and decided to invade southern Lebanon.After trying unsuccessfully for over a month.They decided to negotiate and release the 3000 prisoners for their kidnapped soldiers.Now tell me among the two parties who achieved it objectives?As for people saying that Hezbollah use civilians as human shield.That is 100℅ false.Hizbollah fight like a real army,they are the largest non-state fighting force on earth.With more than 100000 rockets.They were able to close down all northern Israel for over a month and fight back ground forces send by Israel,over and over for a month.Even Israel accepted defeat.So i don't know what on earth is wrong with people in nairaland.Is as if they do not live in the real world. |
Re: Donald Trump: If Iran Wants A Fight That Will Be The Official End Of Iran by Efewestern: 11:17am On May 21, 2019 |
OBAGADAFFI: I bet you know more than American military experts, maybe you a are confusing Hezbollah with Hamas. In the 2006 battle Hezbollah fought IDF ground troops, how can they use civilian shield when IDF was unable to penetrate Hezbollah defense formation?, most battles happened in villageS with few people and empty fields. The only thing Hezbollah was accused of was stockpiling weapons in some homes, but they NEVER use civilian as shield in the 2006 war. After the 2006 war, Hezbollah haven't clashed with IDF, and the few times rocket was fired into Isreal, Hezbollah denied being responsible. So far IDF has learnt their lessons and Hezbollah won't provoke any crisis. But HEZBOLLAH WON that war. 2 Likes |
Re: Donald Trump: If Iran Wants A Fight That Will Be The Official End Of Iran by OBAGADAFFI: 11:41am On May 21, 2019 |
Efewestern: HEZBOLLAH, sustained more casualties and damages than Israel in that war. |
Re: Donald Trump: If Iran Wants A Fight That Will Be The Official End Of Iran by Ibrahimmrfish(m): 11:46am On May 21, 2019 |
OBAGADAFFI:Vietnam sustained more casualties than U.S during Vietnam war and yet they defeated the U.S. Soviet Union sustained more casualties than Nazi Germany but yet they won the war.So what on earth are you talking about? 1 Like |
Re: Donald Trump: If Iran Wants A Fight That Will Be The Official End Of Iran by OkpaNsukkaisBae(m): 11:49am On May 21, 2019 |
Efewestern: First things first,, you didn't answer my questions! When I said they were a state within a state... I mean they had total control of Southern Lebanon before the conflict. Hezbollah military were far ahead of Lebanese military even though they were under one territorial entity called *LEBANON* yet the two military were under different command. There's Hezbollah military and on the other hand there's Lebanese military. The Hezbollah armed forces was/is not answerable to Lebanese authority. Or are you telling me that the Hezbollah military was/is receiving order from the Lebanese government?? Can you name some of the Israeli soldiers that vowed to crush hezbollah under one month?? You're shifting the goal post and contradicting yourself now . In one sentence you said both parties claimed victories, in another you said Israel didn't achieve her objectives. How did a party that claimed victory not achieve her objectives?? In the beginning you also told us that 2k hezbollah forces crushed/defeated 30k Israeli forces!! How,, where,, in which battle,, battle of what?? You don't have to recommend any book...my Varsity project/thesis centered on Middle East. Four questions here plus the other two you skipped.. That's six. Answer them. 2 Likes |
Re: Donald Trump: If Iran Wants A Fight That Will Be The Official End Of Iran by OkpaNsukkaisBae(m): 11:52am On May 21, 2019 |
Ibrahimmrfish: I will engage you but that will be when you start making use of paragraph. |
Re: Donald Trump: If Iran Wants A Fight That Will Be The Official End Of Iran by hermesprogidy(m): 11:52am On May 21, 2019 |
OkpaNsukkaisBae:Neither does yours. |
Re: Donald Trump: If Iran Wants A Fight That Will Be The Official End Of Iran by OkpaNsukkaisBae(m): 11:56am On May 21, 2019 |
Re: Donald Trump: If Iran Wants A Fight That Will Be The Official End Of Iran by hermesprogidy(m): 12:00pm On May 21, 2019 |
OkpaNsukkaisBae:You are welcome. |
Re: Donald Trump: If Iran Wants A Fight That Will Be The Official End Of Iran by Ibrahimmrfish(m): 12:04pm On May 21, 2019 |
OkpaNsukkaisBae:Typical of your type.Since you have nothing of value to add,you turn to personal attack.This is a social network platform,not a grammar class. |
Re: Donald Trump: If Iran Wants A Fight That Will Be The Official End Of Iran by OBAGADAFFI: 12:08pm On May 21, 2019 |
Ibrahimmrfish: Lol, what is your definition of defeat. Israel is still hitting all HEZBOLLAH strongholds till date, where is HEZBOLLAH? On your Vietnam theory, you know little about the war. It was just front US defence industry |
Re: Donald Trump: If Iran Wants A Fight That Will Be The Official End Of Iran by OkpaNsukkaisBae(m): 12:11pm On May 21, 2019 |
Nowenuse: Nope... NATO is a defensive military Alliance. Once Iran makes the first move, try to fvck with USA. They will have France, Germany, UK, Canada among others to contend. Even without the allies,, Iran is not a perfect match for the USA. |
Re: Donald Trump: If Iran Wants A Fight That Will Be The Official End Of Iran by Ibrahimmrfish(m): 12:21pm On May 21, 2019 |
OBAGADAFFI:Unfortunately for you if there is one thing that i know,is war.About Vietnam,the U.S evaluated their men in a hurry cause the vietcom broke U.S line and are advancing toward U.S position.It was a mass and disorganized retreat. Google is here not for just watching porn and music.As for Israel hitting Hezbollah strong hold,provide a like that show Israel attacking hezbollah inside Lebanese land without Hezbollah hitting Israel target inside Israel.Don't forget up to date,Hizbollah always deny there present in Syria so don't mention Syria here.Mention just one attack in Lebanon,without their response. |
Re: Donald Trump: If Iran Wants A Fight That Will Be The Official End Of Iran by OkpaNsukkaisBae(m): 12:21pm On May 21, 2019 |
Ibrahimmrfish: I didn't insult you bro... Just that when you write long notes like that. You try as much as possible to make it easier for your readers to comprehend by using paragraph. |
Re: Donald Trump: If Iran Wants A Fight That Will Be The Official End Of Iran by Ibrahimmrfish(m): 12:30pm On May 21, 2019 |
OkpaNsukkaisBae:Still didn't change a thing.Like i said before,if you have anything of value to add on the topic under discussion please do,if you don't.Then kindly ignore me and i will do the same to you.Have a nice day. |
Re: Donald Trump: If Iran Wants A Fight That Will Be The Official End Of Iran by Tip101(m): 12:42pm On May 21, 2019 |
OkpaNsukkaisBae: God bless you for this. This is all I’ve been saying. The fact that the US has not invaded Iran yet is because they haven’t gotten any concrete reason to do that. I said in one of my replies above, if Iran gives the US a reason to invade their country, then that’s it for Iran and absolutely NOTHING will happen and someone was saying Iran has allies in China and Russia.... I was just laughing. People confuse the war in the Middle East to a US invasion. Iran might be having a fields day in the Middle East but once US decides to invade, Iran will be lucky to not be sent into oblivion. |
Re: Donald Trump: If Iran Wants A Fight That Will Be The Official End Of Iran by OkpaNsukkaisBae(m): 1:04pm On May 21, 2019 |
Ibrahimmrfish: Hezbollah also released captured Israeli forces, even the remains of dead soldiers. Going by your logic ... D war ended as a stalemate because @ the end of the conflict all captured war prisoners were released on both sides. |
Re: Donald Trump: If Iran Wants A Fight That Will Be The Official End Of Iran by Nobody: 1:07pm On May 21, 2019 |
Seunnzy: They were together when the British empire took over, The Jews were not the only people/group living there, they have been living together with other tribes which have gone extinct or turned to Arabs, many powers/empires have ruled, ruled and ruled over that Israel(Judea), it was the Roman empire that invade Judea and took power from Jewish and gave to the Palestine, the Ottoman Empire maintained that before their fall, then the British took over, the Jews were almost going into extinct Before the British empire took over and revived them and their language, invite Jewish all over Europe to return to their land. Israel was created by the French, British and the Americans after winning the war against Hitler, they used Israel to compensate the Jews for what Hitler did to them during the WWII. Iran(Persia) and Iraq(Babylon) have ruled over Israel(Jewish) before. 1 Like 1 Share
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Re: Donald Trump: If Iran Wants A Fight That Will Be The Official End Of Iran by Ibrahimmrfish(m): 1:14pm On May 21, 2019 |
OkpaNsukkaisBae:The whole point of capturing the Israel soldiers was to exchange the with the prisoners.And at the beginning of the war Israel vows never to negotiate with Hizbollah or to release the prisoners.Which they were forced to do both.Both Israel and U.S accepted defeat at the end of the war.So guy,stop living in lala land. Accept facts.Like i said b4,google is your friend,please use it. |
Re: Donald Trump: If Iran Wants A Fight That Will Be The Official End Of Iran by Cadec007(m): 1:43pm On May 21, 2019 |
Starks:lmao!!! Anyways I said directly or indirectly.. |
Re: Donald Trump: If Iran Wants A Fight That Will Be The Official End Of Iran by Cadec007(m): 1:46pm On May 21, 2019 |
Starks:lol, ok..... But USA won't aid them for free that's my point..... That oil US hasn't touched in years would finally enter their hands... |
Re: Donald Trump: If Iran Wants A Fight That Will Be The Official End Of Iran by Nobody: 1:53pm On May 21, 2019 |
timesup234: Watch our Israeli Soldiers pounded Hezbollah https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95MhAPuapoU |
Re: Donald Trump: If Iran Wants A Fight That Will Be The Official End Of Iran by bjnice(m): 2:17pm On May 21, 2019 |
Efewestern: Efe, it is obvious u are an expert in international relations and understand international politics, i must confess you are damn good. I will like if we can share ideas and probably work together on issue relating to international politics. This is mail truetalk087@gmail.com in case you want to reach me. |
Re: Donald Trump: If Iran Wants A Fight That Will Be The Official End Of Iran by ScotMisile: 2:41pm On May 21, 2019 |
Iranian Noise makers,this is for you....Bikonu They claim US' show of firepower in region may have deterred threat of Iranian attacks The aircraft carrier Abraham Lincoln and support vessels transiting the Suez Canal on May 9, en route to the Persian Gulf. US officials have raised concerns that Iran's Revolutionary Guards were targeting US naval ships in the area. PHOTO: NYTIMES WASHINGTON • Iran has unloaded missiles from at least two small boats in its territorial waters in what two US officials said on Friday was a sign of easing tensions in the brewing confrontation between Washington and Teheran. In recent days, US officials have described satellite photographs showing fully assembled missiles being loaded onto multiple boats in multiple Iranian ports. The pictures were cited as evidence for concern that Iran's Revolutionary Guards were targeting US naval ships in the Persian Gulf and nearby waters. Other intelligence picked up threats against commercial shipping and potential attacks by Shi'ite militias with Iranian ties against American troops in Iraq, officials have said. But over the past two days, Iranian forces removed the missiles from two of the boats, according to a Defence Department official and a congressional official. The boats, called dhows, had sailed between the Iranian ports of Jask and Chabahar in the Gulf of Oman, the officials said. It is unclear how many other missile-laden Iranian vessels are sailing in Iranian waters. But the unloading of the missiles on the two small boats, coupled with the unhindered passage through the strategically important Strait of Hormuz on Thursday of two Navy destroyers, the USS McFaul and the USS Gonzalez, prompted some officials to claim that a recent show of US firepower may have deterred the threat of Iranian attacks on American forces. Communications between the Revolutionary Guards and the Shi'ite militias in Iraq also seem to have slowed - but have not stopped, said the two officials. The new information, given to members of the House Armed Services Committee and the Senate Armed Services Committee during closed-door briefings on Friday, came as President Donald Trump sought to defuse the simmering confrontation with Iran in recent days. Mr Trump has told Acting Defence Secretary Patrick Shanahan that he did not want to go to war with Iran. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo has also asked European officials for help in persuading Iran to "de-escalate" tensions. Even so, the confrontation is far from totally defused. US-allied Bahrain warned its citizens yesterday against travel to Iraq and Iran, and asked those already there to return "immediately" for their safety, state news agency BNA said. Military officials said they expected the Pentagon's Central Command in the coming weeks to request more air and naval forces in the Middle East - more to bulk up its deterrent force and avert future showdowns than to deal with the current tensions. The entire House will be briefed on the Iran intelligence in a lawmakers-only forum next Tuesday. Nearly all of the Trump administration's top national security officials will lead the discussion. NYTIMES |
Re: Donald Trump: If Iran Wants A Fight That Will Be The Official End Of Iran by OBAGADAFFI: 2:52pm On May 21, 2019 |
Ibrahimmrfish: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.timesofisrael.com/idf-launches-operation-on-lebanon-border-to-destroy-hezbollah-attack-tunnels/amp/ |
Re: Donald Trump: If Iran Wants A Fight That Will Be The Official End Of Iran by Ibrahimmrfish(m): 3:18pm On May 21, 2019 |
OBAGADAFFI:The operation that took place was at Israel side of the boarder.They only blow up tunnel inside Israel land,they didn't kill a single Hizbollah fighter.Agine point out a single link were they lunch an operation inside Lebanon,with Hizbollah hitting back.I know about the operation,i watched the news on Al-Jazeera and BBC months back,no single bomb was dropped on Lebanese soil. |
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