Thanks for the courage to share your past experience.

All what you have said is real. If only people will come and share theirs.

I sometimes have a bunk or room mate like that, his was even a pastor in one of the big Church and the son is a worker in the church playing instrument but a very dangerous cultists in school though I don't know if has repented fully, because is like the parents are aware it.

EnthronedbyGod:
There are a lot of ways witches hinder peoples progress.

The Psalmist said the sun shall not smite me by day nor the moon by night, this is a prophetic statement, cos the witchcraft kingdom uses these elements to fight against people.

This is why some people have sicknesses during the day, while some it's in the night.
Some don't make progress during the day, while some can't make any headway at night.

psalm 121:6

OkCornel:

Okay ooo. When Jesus was teaching His disciples on certain things about demons, na tutorial be that one.

Where did Jesus teach about demons nau?

For want of where to lean on, you pulled out a scripture so out of context that even a baby Christian wld laugh at you for bringing it up here.

How and where did Jesus teach about demons. Jesus never even taught about Angels talk less of demons.

OkCornel:

But as the OP is exposing the strategies of the Kingdom of darkness...na deep things of Satan e dey talk.

This is the third time I wld to ask you this.
1. What are the Deep things of satan?
2. Why didn't Jesus teach about them? Jesus Sat down and taught in Matthew chapter 5 to 8, not once did he mention satan and what satan an demons do. Why not?
3. In the entire Bible, How many names of demons can you mention? And, what are their operations?
Satan is so ignored that even atheist claim he doesn't exist because even God hardly mentioned him in the Bible.
4. Does the warnings of Jesus mean anything to you?

OkCornel:

Maybe it was not the Holy Spirit that showed Kenneth Hagin, Morris Cerrulo, Dr. Rebecca Brown similar things. Na lying spirit dey show them those things.

Pls which book did Kenneth E. Hagin teach about demons and their operations. As in mentioning all the names of demons, where they are and what they do. I'm not so familiar with Maurice Cerrulo. As for Rebecca Brown, she's in the same category with you guys.

Don't get me wrong, I didn't say they are no demons. I didn't say they don't operate. But, I'm saying what Jesus said. Stay away from them. If you go out for evangelism and you meet someone with a demonic Spirit, if you are matured to handle it, cast it out and move on. Don't make a ministry out of demons. Jesus never called anyone into that ministry.

Apostle never did. That girl with the spirit of Nechromancy met Paul and his brethren out for evangelism, Paul didn't go straight to her cast off the demons. He went about his business of evangelism and wining souls. It's was the girl who followed Paul about shouting announcing who he was. When Paul couldn't take it anymore, he cast the demon out of the girl.

Did Paul's attitude indicated a demon chasing attitude?

OkCornel:

Double standards

Double standard as in how. Explain.

OkCornel:

Please also pretend as though no one is getting delivered from the wiles of the devil on this thread. Just wave off all the testimonies as lies.

How are they getting delivered?
What to you is deliverance?

Or you mean knowledge of what satan and demons do, their names snd their operations deliver people?
What the hell is this?

How wld what the Op is doing here convict a sinner to repent of his/her sins?
How wld it make a notorious prostitute change?
How did it make a cultist drop his ways and turn to Christ?
Wasn't that why we ran in here to see? Instead we are being told all the names of demons and their levels.

There are so many Christian Cults, why aren't we told how to how to spot them and how to be free from them if we are already in them?

OKcornel which deliverance do you mean?

How wld someone who gets sexually assaulted by these demons get delivered by what the Op is doing here?
How wld a thief stop stealing or a liar stop lying by knowing all the names and levels of demons?

When the Lord Preached Deliverance, did you hear him mention satan?
Luke 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted,~~~ to preach deliverance to the captives~~~, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,

Do you know what keeps people in Captivity? Sin.

If the people know what sin is and where it leads, they wld repent and be free from its effects. That is deliverance.

Since he has been revealing who satan and his demons are, How has ut helped those with serious Pride issues like Jesusjnr and you know who is toeing his line?

Pride, Anger, Arrogance, rebellion. Malice, unforgiveness, revenge, Murder (in the heart) and physically, fear, unbelief, doubt, sexual immorality and perversions, theft, lying, cheating can not be expunged from a man by knowing who satan is and all the names of demons.
Deliverance can only come from hearing the gospel that can make someone Willingly and consciously turn away from these things.

michaelkaroh:


I told you before and I tell you again now........the spirit of the I AM is upon you therefore....You are wise!!

It's well my brother. God bless you.

Goodness and mercy, some people will just see the naked truth and still turn a blind eye to it.

I'll be back shortly, need to grab my lunch.

Anas09, Here is Kenneth Hagin clearly writing in his book - The Triumphant Church, page 147. That Jesus appeared to him and taught him extensively on the subject of demons.

But oh well, according to you...that is "the deep things of Satan".
In that book, you'll see how the operations of the kingdom of darkness is laid bare for all to see. Unless you want to tell us Kenneth Hagin is a charlatan also obsessed with the deep things of Satan.


I will address your post much later today in detail. I am quite amused at your responses here.

OkCornel:

I will re-echoe this.
The focus should be on the testimonies of victory over evil forces, rather than focus on what evil forces are capable of!

The testimony shd be Victory over Sin and it's effect. Evil forces will never have power over you if you don't mingle with them through Sin.

Do you even know what it means to [Sit with Christ in Heavenly places, far above Principalities and Powers?[/b]
It's a different realm. Even here on earth, Light and darkness cannot cohabit, how then wld demons live in Heavenly places?

Forced of darkness and all their operations cannot exist there. It's when you crawl back to their territory then you'd begin to battle with them. Teach people to walk away from sin and satan will automatically vanish.
If you no chop yam and red oil how your hand go take stain with oil?

OkCornel:

While the OP is doing a good work of bringing out the secrets of the kingdom of darkness to the open, believers take heed so fear will have no root in you. Don't go and develop a mindset on how powerful Satan is while you have something far more powerful within you and with you.

The question is first off is. Why didn't Jesus teach these things?
And which good job are you talking abt if you know it could cast fear into people?

Do you know that you are what you hear? Even The Lord warned us to be careful what we hear and how we hear. Lk 8:18. For what you hear moulds and conditions your life.

If you don't want people living in fear of what satan can do and is doing, why tell them about these things?

Na everybody mature spiritually Like you? Some of us are not afraid of satan, but do you know what some people are going through in their lives? Why not just obey Jesus?

OkCornel:

Colossians 2 v 8-10;
8 See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the elemental spiritual forces of this world rather than on Christ.

Have you seen that warning I am talking about? Even Apostle Paul said it. In trying to justify the Op, you just indicted him.

What are elemental forces of this world if not all the Op is talking?
How many pages down the line, no solution to how struggling folk can break free from the captivity of satan.

Now we know all about satan, how can we then come out from cultism? Can we come out by knowing all the names of demons?

[b]9 For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form,

10 and in Christ you have been brought to fullness. He is the head over every power and authority.[/quote]
How much have you guys talked about this fullness of Christ?

What is the Fullness of Christ?

How can we walk into it?

How do we sustain it?

What are the things we can do to experience it?

What shouldn't we do if we want satan and demons to stay away from us?

These are the things we shd be talking about, not how many demons came down from heaven with satan and what they have been doing since they got here.

The ignorant who run from one prayer house to the other, people who all the prophets and prophetesses know their names are here claiming deliverance when they don't even know that lying is the gravest sin.

Tell people to stop lying, let them conquer the lying spirit first then we can celebrate victory.

OkCornel:

The kingdom of darkness must be exposed so believers will not repeat the mistakes of their forerunners in the church of Pergamos and Thyatira.

IGNORANCE AND NAIVETY IS NO EXCUSE.[/b

What mistakes did the Church in Pergamon Thyatira make?
You can take scriptures out of context eh.

So Jesus was ignorant as He ignored satan and demons in his teachings.
[b] Why aren't you even talking about why Jesus didn't go into satanism while on earth?

OkCornel:

The powers of the kingdom of darkness thrives on ignorance and fear.

Do you know that the Col 2:8-9 you quoted warned you from doing what you're doing?

Continue.

Anas09:



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The kingdom of darkness must be exposed so believers will not repeat the mistakes of their forerunners in the church of Pergamos and Thyatira.

IGNORANCE AND NAIVETY IS NO EXCUSE.

The powers of the kingdom of darkness thrives on ignorance and fear.



I will re-echoe this.
The focus should be on the testimonies of victory over evil forces, rather than focus on what evil forces are capable of!
The testimony shd be Victory over Sin and it's effect. Evil forces will never have power over you if you don't mingle with them through Sin.

Do you even know what it means to [Sit with Christ in Heavenly places, far above Principalities and Powers?[/b]
It's a different realm. Even here on earth, Light and darkness cannot cohabit, how then wld demons live in Heavenly places?

Forced of darkness and all their operations cannot exist there. It's when you crawl back to their territory then you'd begin to battle with them. Teach people to walk away from sin and satan will automatically vanish.
If you no chop yam and red oil how your hand go take stain with oil?


While the OP is doing a good work of bringing out the secrets of the kingdom of darkness to the open, believers take heed so fear will have no root in you. Don't go and develop a mindset on how powerful Satan is while you have something far more powerful within you and with you.
The question is first off is. Why didn't Jesus teach these things?
And which good job are you talking abt if you know it could cast fear into people?

Do you know that you are what you hear? Even The Lord warned us to be careful what we hear and how we hear. Lk 8:18. For what you hear moulds and conditions your life.

If you don't want people living in fear of what satan can do and is doing, why tell them about these things?

Na everybody mature spiritually Like you? Some of us are not afraid of satan, but do you know what some people are going through in their lives? Why not just obey Jesus?


Colossians 2 v 8-10;
8 See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the elemental spiritual forces of this world rather than on Christ.
Have you seen that warning I am talking about? Even Apostle Paul said it. In trying to justify the Op, you just indicted him.

What are elemental forces of this world if not all the Op is talking?
How many pages down the line, no solution to how struggling folk can break free from the captivity of satan.

Now we know all about satan, how can we then come out from cultism? Can we come out by knowing all the names of demons?

[b]9 For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form,

10 and in Christ you have been brought to fullness. He is the head over every power and authority.
How much have you guys talked about this fullness of Christ?

What is the Fullness of Christ?

How can we walk into it?

How do we sustain it?

What are the things we can do to experience it?

What shouldn't we do if we want satan and demons to stay away from us?

These are the things we shd be talking about, not how many demons came down from heaven with satan and what they have been doing since they got here.

The ignorant who run from one prayer house to the other, people who all the prophets and prophetesses know their names are here claiming deliverance when they don't even know that lying is the gravest sin.

Tell people to stop lying, let them conquer the lying spirit first then we can celebrate victory.

I have shown you where Jesus exposed the workings of demons and their operations to Kenneth Hagin. What is your next excuse?

I have repeated it several times on this thread where believers should channel their focus on. The testimonies of victories rather than the abilities of the kingdom of darkness!

How will fear not creep into a coward or a distracted believer who is focused on what the kingdom of darkness can do?

Heaven is not a place for cowards. Shy away from this subject matter all you want, but the reality will still stare you in the face.

sagacioustony:
Thanks for the courage to share your past experience.

All what you have said is real. If only people will come and share theirs.

I sometimes have a bunk or room mate like that, his was even a pastor in one of the big Church and the son is a worker in the church playing instrument but a very dangerous cultists in school though I don't know if has repented fully, because is like the parents are aware it.

Thank you jare my brother. This is the bitter truth some people don't even want to hear.

OkCornel:

I have shown you where Jesus exposed the workings of Demons and their operations to Kenneth Hagin. What is your next excuse?

Wait, lolzzzzz. That is your authority? OKcornel. As much as I believe in the ministry of PA Hagin, it's not Enough.
What if I don't believe in his ministry? What if I'm not a Word of Faith believer like MuttleyLaff for example? What then?

If the Lord revealed to Pa Hagin how to handle demons in his ministry that is not a universal Biblical Teaching so shouldn't be used in a discussion. Except we are talking about Hagins ministry.
Pls from the Bible, show me where Jesus taught THE CHURCH about satan and demons.

OkCornel:

I have repeated it several times on this thread where believers should channel their focus on. The testimonies of victories rather than the abilities of the kingdom of darkness!

[quote author=OkCornel post=81662894]
How will fear not creep into a coward who is focused on what the kingdom of darkness can do?

And you are the tool satan is using to infuse that fear into the coward, no?

OkCornel:

Heaven is not a place for cowards. Shy away from this subject matter all you want, but the reality will still stare you in the face.

So, by all means you try to keep them out of it by helping satan abi?
Lolzzzzz. You may think you have said something smart. If only you the danger of what you are doing. Jesus values the life of those you call cowards dearly. He died for them and if you cause even one of them to fall, then you'd know He is a consuming fire.


Matthew 18:6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

Keep inflicting fear into those who probably are trying to come out of the Scotch of saran, when they fall back, you'd laugh and call them Cowards.

Wait for Jesus.

Anas09:

Wait, lolzzzzz. That is your authority? OKcornel. As much as I believe in the ministry of PA Hagin, it's not Enough.
What if I don't believe in his ministry? What if I'm not a Word of Faith believer like MuttleyLaff for example? What then?

If the Lord revealed to Pa Hagin how to handle demons in his ministry that is not a universal Biblical Teaching so shouldn't be used in a discussion. Except we are talking about Hagins ministry.
Pls from the Bible, show me where Jesus taught THE CHURCH about satan and demons.

Ah... now that I have shown you where the Lord Jesus spoke to Hagin on the issue of demons, it's suddenly not a universal biblical teaching.

And it was the Koran or Vedas Hagin was eventually quoting from on the subject matters of demons in the Triumphant Church ba?

It's a shame you're not talking about whether Hagin was saying the truth or not, rather it is now about whether you believe in his ministry or not. Keep shifting the goal post.

You accuse me of inflicting fear into people? Same people who are under the bondage of fear since God knows when? Like I said earlier, only a coward and a distracted believer will ignore the testimonies of victory over evil forces and rather focus on what the kingdom of darkness is capable of, thus opening the door for fear into his or her life.

It is obvious you have made up your mind not to have anything useful to do on this subject matter.

Kindly hit the un-follow button as this thread is not useful to you.

OkCornel:


Thank you jare my brother. This is the bitter truth some people don't even want to hear.

What is the bitter truth in what he said?

Anas09:

What is the bitter truth in what he said?

Please read again.

sagacioustony:
Thanks for the courage to share your past experience.

All what you have said is real. If only people will come and share theirs.

I sometimes have a bunk or room mate like that, his was even a pastor in one of the big Church and the son is a worker in the church playing instrument but a very dangerous cultists in school though I don't know if has repented fully, because is like the parents are aware it.

I thought you would have un-followed this thread by now.

OkCornel:



I don't approve insults here at all. And if you are taking my being blunt for insults, sorry about that.

But what I will never take here is hypocrisy and double standards.

You are fully aware of your padi's stance on homosexuality, I called him a homosexual apologist....but oh! I was calling him names which is "not Christlike" and all sorts.

But then calling EnthronedbyGod a demonologist and charlatan is very Christlike. Can you see the double standards here?


What I even find more embarrassing is this, how can one gain a sense of purpose by trolling and arguing with people far younger than you? Like seriously, is that how a supposed elder will earn respect?

It's so embarrassing the person is totally ignored as though he doesn't exist. Gosh! It's like me arguing with an O'Level student to prove what exactly?


As an elder, make your point and move on. Instead of bringing yourself so low to argue as if it's your mates you're arguing with. Jeez!



ABEG, IF ANYONE IS NOT IN AGREEMENT WITH THIS THREAD, HIT THE UNFOLLOW BUTTON AND MOVE ON. The OP is not begging or forcing anyone to follow this thread.

And Anas09, I can see that absolutely nothing was said concerning this. Perhaps with the hope that it will be covered by subsequent posts.

Well done.

OkCornel:

Ah... now that I have shown you where the Lord Jesus spoke to Hagin on the issue of demons, it's suddenly not a universal biblical teaching.

Okay now. I have lost the regard i had for you, shd I lose taking you serious too? First off.
You didn't show me anything. You only mentioned Hagin.
Secondly, Pa Hagin's personal experience can not be held as an authority or a premise to stand on and build a universal doctrine. This is so lame.

Smith Wigglesword was woken up by a demon once, when he saw what it was, he didn't bother to pray or cast it out, he just turned back, went inside and slept. Shd that become a way everyone shd deal with demons?

Hagin was having a conversation with Jesus once. A demon tried to distract him by playing in-between them. Hagin waited for o Jesus to cast it out. When He didn't, he (Hagin) commanded it to get out, and it left. When he asked the Lord why He didn't do anything. He told him that He does not do for us what He had given us power to do.
Shd that become a Canon in the Church? Does every Christian believe in the ministry of Hagin?

OkCornel:

And it was the Koran Hagin was eventually quoting from on the subject matters of demons in the Triumphant Church ba?

Did he quote where Jesus taught the Church about satan, demons their names and their operations? Feel free to post the chapter of the Triumphant Church so that I can verify. I am 100% sure he didn't.

OkCornel:

You accuse me of inflicting fear into people?

Yes I do. You and the Op and then you called those who might fall cowards. If only you know what you just did.

OkCornel:

Same people who are under the bondage of fear since God knows when?

Those same people who are under the bondage of fear are the same ones Jesus died for and He handed them over to you with a message of boldness sound mind and freedom. But. Instead of you teaching them that. You leave what you're sent to do and are doing the opposite, yet you boastfully called them Cowards.

Your own better.
As I'm typing this to you now, I'm also chatting with a young lady on WhatsApp who Pmed me from here. because of her passed experiences she's so afraid that she might die soon. She hears a voice telling her that she wld die. And i'm standing with the word of God telling her it's a lie from the pit of hell. So, she's a coward right?
I shd laugh at her and tell her people like her have no place in heaven? Who do you think you are? What do you have that Jesus didn't give to you?

OkCornel:

Like I said earlier, only a coward and a distracted believer will ignore the testimonies of victory over evil forces and rather focus on what the kingdom of darkness is capable of, thus opening the door for fear into his or her life.

I see the Pride in those you mix with is robbing off on you. Or maybe it's been there all the while but I didn't notice it.

The Testimony of Jesus Christ is the Spirit of Prophecy.Rev. 19:10 Can you explain what that means?

OkCornel:

It is obvious you have made up your mind not to have anything to do on this subject matter.

That's not the point. Studying the scriptures and mediating on them gives revelations. When I had a revelation on The weapons of our war fare are not carnal ...'. I knew that satan we wasn't my problem, I was.
I had perceived satan to be using those weapons against me. I didn't even know what the weapons were until the Lord showed me. Then I saw all the weapons in me. I hold them in my hands and as long as I held them, and used them, satan will always overcome me.
The warfare is in our minds, not outside. Pride (SELF), arrogance malice. Unforgiveness. fear, lying, deceit. Stealing. Coveteousness, greed, etc. These are the weapons and they are strongholds and where do you find them? Outside or inside of you?
Cut Pride off, and you see all others falling apart.

When I discovered how satan makes me use them, and that as long as i keep using them, I wld be failling. I began dropping them one by one. It takes time. But, I'm doing it. This is Deliverance, not looking into the abyss to see the red eyes of the Dragon.

OkCornel:

Kindly hit the un-follow button as this thread is not useful to you.

Hahahahahahahaha. Kindly pull the thread down as it misleads Christians to do what Jesus did not command.

You are yet to tell me why YHWH both in the Old and New Testament largely ignored satan.

Anas09:

Okay now. I have lost the regard i had for you, shd I lose taking you serious too? First off.
You didn't show me anything. You only mentioned Hagin.
Secondly, Pa Hagin's personal experience can not be held as an authority or a premise to stand on and build a universal doctrine. This is so lame.

Smith Wigglesword was woken up by a demon once, when he saw what it was, he didn't bother to pray or cast it out, he just turned back, went inside and slept. Shd that become a way everyone shd deal with demons?

Hagin was having a conversation with Jesus once. A demon tried to distract him by playing in-between them. Hagin waited for o Jesus to cast it out. When He didn't, he (Hagin) commanded it to get out, and it left. When he asked the Lord why He didn't do anything. He told him that He does not do for us what He had given us power to do.
Shd that become a Canon in the Church? Does every Christian believe in the ministry of Hagin?


Did he quote where Jesus taught the Church about satan, demons their names and their operations? Feel free to post the chapter of the Triumphant Church so that I can verify. I am 100% sure he didn't.


Yes I do. You and the Op and then you called those who might fall cowards. If only you know what you just did.

Those same people who are under the bondage of fear are the same ones Jesus died for and He handed them over to you with a message of boldness sound mind and freedom. But. Instead of you teaching them that. You leave what you're sent to do and are doing the opposite, yet you boastfully called them Cowards.

Your own better.
As I'm typing this to you now, I'm also chatting with a young lady on WhatsApp who Pmed me from here. because of her passed experiences she's so afraid that she might die soon. She hears a voice telling her that she wld die. And i'm standing with the word of God telling her it's a lie from the pit of hell. So, she's a coward right?
I shd laugh at her and tell her people like her have no place in heaven? Who do you think you are? What do you have that Jesus didn't give to you?


I see the Pride in those you mix with is robbing off on you. Or maybe it's been there all the while but I didn't notice it.

The Testimony of Jesus Christ is the Spirit of Prophecy.Rev. 19:10 Can you explain what that means?


That's not the point. Studying the scriptures and mediating on them gives revelations. When I had a revelation on The weapons of our war fare are not carnal ...'. I knew that satan we wasn't my problem, I was.
I had perceived satan to be using those weapons against me. I didn't even know what the weapons were until the Lord showed me. Then I saw all the weapons in me. I hold them in my hands and as long as I held them, and used them, satan will always overcome me.
The warfare is in our minds, not outside. Pride (SELF), arrogance malice. Unforgiveness. fear, lying, deceit. Stealing. Coveteousness, greed, etc. These are the weapons and they are strongholds and where do you find them? Outside or inside of you?
Cut Pride off, and you see all others falling apart.

When I discovered how satan makes me use them, and that as long as i keep using them, I wld be failling. I began dropping them one by one. It takes time. But, I'm doing it. This is Deliverance, not looking into the abyss to see the red eyes of the Dragon.

Hahahahahahahaha. Kindly pull the thread down as it misleads Christians to do what Jesus did not command.

You are yet to tell me why YHWH both in the Old and New Testament largely ignored satan.

The regard you had for me (if indeed you truly had any) in the first place added zero value to my life, you can keep it.

Please go ahead and tell us Kenneth Hagin is a charlatan and someone obsessed with "the deep things of satan" like the OP. Add Morris Cerullo and Dr. Rebecca Brown to the list.

Just go ahead and say it.

Lol... Apostle Paul must be obsessed about the "deep things of Satan" as well

2 Corinthians 2 v 10-12;
10 To whom ye forgive any thing, I forgive also: for if I forgave any thing, to whom I forgave it, for your sakes forgave I it in the person of Christ;
11 Lest Satan should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices.
12 Furthermore, when I came to Troas to preach Christ's gospel, and a door was opened unto me of the Lord,

OkCornel:


Please read again.


I thought you would have un-followed this thread by now.

What did you say that is real?

Why not you take this damning heretic thread down?

Anas09:

What did you say that is real?

Why not you take this damning heretic thread down?

Please do us a favor and call Kenneth Hagin, Morris Cerullo, Dr. Rebecca Brown and numerous other ministers operating at that level heretics nau?

What are you waiting for?

Why is it difficult for you to un-follow this thread?

OkCornel:

Please go ahead and tell us Kenneth Hagin is a charlatan and someone obsessed with "the deep things of satan" like the OP. Add Morris Cerullo and Dr. Rebecca Brown to the list

In other words, we should discard the Word of God and dwell on ministers' personal experiences? Go ahead and say it.[/quote]
Kenneth E. Hagin is not a charlatan and he never made his ministry about demons. He is one minister I follow so don't think you can post things he didn't say here, I wld know.
But, Wait. Between Jesus and these people who shd we be talking about here?

I am a Christian. A follower of Jesus. A Believer in the Bible as the Word of God first. So I'd stick with the Word. When you're done with Believing in people's personal encounters, come, we shall talk Jesus.

OkCornel:

Just go ahead and say it.

Here I am trying to preach the gospel and here you are trying to drag us to what people claimed they saw and experienced in their personal lives and ministries. I'm not doubting them, but are their encounters authorities to stand on and build doctrines? OKcornel, have you exhausted scriptures?

Can you post one verse of the Bible where Jesus, both in the Old and New Testament dwelled on satan and his operations?
Just one verse of scripture pls.

OkCornel:

Lol... Apostle Paul must be obsessed about the "deep things of Satan" as well

No i wont. That is why he warned you in the Col 2:8-9 you quoted earlier. But. You couldn't see it lolzzzzz.

[quote author=OkCornel post=81665484]

OkCornel:


Please do us a favor and call Kenneth Hagin, Morris Cerullo, Dr. Rebecca Brown and numerous other ministers operating at that level heretics nau?

What are you waiting for?

Why is it difficult for you to un-follow this thread?

Why shd I call them charlatans? Apart from Rebecca Brown does the two men dwell on satan?
Hahahahahahahaha. You have ran out of what to say? Not everyone is a charlatan.

Defending heresies by a teacher of heresies is like dying twice by the same mistake.

KENNETH HAGIN'S TEACHINGS
1.KENNETH HAGIN
Jesus went to hell in our place: "He tasted spiritual death for every man. He died on the Cross and took our place in spiritual death. His spirit, His inner man, went to hell in our place."
Hagin, Kenneth E (2010-05-14). The Name of Jesus--Legacy Edition (Kindle Locations 382-383). Faith Library Publications. Kindle Edition.

2.“The believer is as much an incarnation as was Jesus of Nazareth.” He has also said, "If we ever wake up and realize who we are, we'll start doing the work that we're supposed to do. Because the church hasn't realized yet that they are Christ.
(Kenneth E. Hagin, “The Incarnation,” The Word of Faith page 13, December 12,

3.In an article "How God Taught Me about Prosperity," Hagin claimed that Jesus Christ taught him not to think that it is wrong to have riches. Allegedly Christ told him not to "pray about money anymore; that is, the way you've been praying. CLAIM WHATEVER YOU NEED." Christ allegedly further taught Hagin that he had personal angels who could be commanded to do his bidding. Hagin said Christ told him in 1963 that the angels were waiting for his command to provide his material desires: "They are waiting on you to give them the order, just as the waitress cannot do anything for you until you give her the order" (Hagin, I Believe in Visions, p. 126).

4.HAGIN on seeing God.
"I was conscious of the fact that I still lay flat on my face on the floor, and for a few minutes I remained there, feeling the glory of this miraculous visitation. Again I heard a voice say, 'Come up hither.' And this time the voice said, 'Come up hither; come up to the throne of God.' I saw Jesus standing again about where the top of the tent should be, and I went to Him through the air. When I reached Him, together we continued on to Heaven. We came to the throne of God, and I beheld it in all its splendor. The first thing that attracted my attention was the rainbow about the throne. It was very beautiful. The second thing I noticed was the winged creatures on either side of the throne. They were peculiar looking creatures, and as I walked up with Jesus, these creatures stood with wings out­stretched. They were saying something, but they ceased and folded their wings. They had eyes of fire set all the way around their heads, and they looked in all directions at once. I stood with Jesus in the midst, about eighteen to twenty-four feet from the throne. I started to look at the One who sat upon the throne. Jesus told me not to look upon His face. I could see only a form of a Being seated upon the throne.

Those that call the man genuine and say they've read his published teachings, did you all miss these?

Anas09:


Did he quote where Jesus taught the Church about satan, demons their names and their operations? Feel free to post the chapter of the Triumphant Church so that I can verify. I am 100% sure he didn't.

When someone argues ignorantly on a book she has not read, I can only shake my head in pity.

Just go straight to the point and call Kenneth Hagin a charlatan obsessed with "the deep things of Satan"

^^^^


See how you hastily concluded I ran away. Your friend that believes in "iburu" Jesus from Enugu state is already doing the honors of calling Kenneth Hagin a heretic.

Can you see how your motives are unfolding for everyone on this thread for everyone to see?

Anas09:

Why shd I call them charlatans? Apart from Rebecca Brown does the two men dwell on satan?
Hahahahahahahaha. You have ran out of what to say? Not everyone is a charlatan.

Anas09:

In other words, we should discard the Word of God and dwell on ministers' personal experiences? Go ahead and say it.
Kenneth E. Hagin is not a charlatan and he never made his ministry about demons. He is one minister I follow so don't think you can post things he didn't say here, I wld know.
But, Wait. Between Jesus and these people who shd we be talking about here?

I am a Christian. A follower of Jesus. A Believer in the Bible as the Word of God first. So I'd stick with the Word. When you're done with Believing in people's personal encounters, come, we shall talk Jesus.


Just go ahead and say it.
Here I am trying to preach the gospel and here you are trying to drag us to what people claimed they saw and experienced in their personal lives and ministries. I'm not doubting them, but are their encounters authorities to stand on and build doctrines? OKcornel, have you exhausted scriptures?

Can you post one verse of the Bible where Jesus, both in the Old and New Testament dwelled on satan and his operations?
Just one verse of scripture pls.


Lol... Apostle Paul must be obsessed about the "deep things of Satan" as well

No i wont. That is why he warned you in the Col 2:8-9 you quoted earlier. But. You couldn't see it lolzzzzz.

You follow Kenneth Hagin, but have you read his books on Spiritual warfare? and the Triumphant Church?

Smh...

OkCornel:


And Anas09, I can see that absolutely nothing was said concerning this. Perhaps with the hope that it will be covered by subsequent posts.

Well done.

I didn't see the mention and I didn't see my moniker mentioned in it. Was it referring to me?

And who said I support homosexuality? I only asked you not to derail this thread by leaving that topic out of here. Is that what you mean by double standardness. So because I wasn't petty by hunting him everywhere I met him with the talk of homosexuality means I support him? Wow.

So this is your Justification for insulting an elder?
Okay dear. Weldone. May no one ever insult you in your old age.

Anas09:

I didn't see the mention and I didn't see my moniker mentioned in it. Was it referring to me?

And who said I support homosexuality? I only asked you not to derail this thread by leaving that topic out of here. Is that what you mean by double standardness. So because I wasn't petty by hunting him everywhere I met him with the talk of homosexuality means I support him? Wow.

So this is your Justification for insulting an elder?
Okay dear. Weldone. May no one ever insult you in your old age.

I called out someone for not respecting himself by trolling and heckling people far younger than him?

Abi is that what you dream to be that jobless doing that in your old age? Arguing with and trolling younger people?

Face the issue here. Double standards!

You claim calling someone names is not Christlike, yet that same person calls another person a charlatan and a demonologist, shebi that one is Christlike too abi? Abeg stop justifying hypocrisy here jare.

Even Baba God the father gave lectures on Behemoth and Leviathan in Job chapter 40 and 41 respectively. He didn't stop there, He also gave a brief summary of Lucifer in Isaiah 14 and a better review in Ezekiel 26. Before that, He took Moses to the beginning of man in Genesis and showed him what transpired between satan, the serpent and Eve.

What about little details of Baal, Ashtaroth, Prince of Persia etc. scattered in some of the books of the old testament, not to even talk of the book of Revelations. This little details in the Bible about Satan and his cohorts will become substantial when accumulated for tutorial purposes. And if they are not so important why did the Holy Spirit documented them for us?

We are humans, some see 6 as 9 and vice versa based on their coordinates. If you understand the motives of EnthronedbyGod then you need not bother. There are loads of tragic stories that are turn offs in the Bible but those that understands the working of the Holy Spirit behind it embraces it with all their heart.

This expose is not to promote fear or cause an increase in knowledge even if it might occur along the way, its sole aim is to expose the works of Satan and triumph in victory over him because he is conquered already and as a result our testimonies will be of hope to others who are yet to EXPERIENCE their victory. Although, it is not what a preacher ought to preach everyday, it is a topic that is taught for deliverance purposes and also for others to avoid things pertaining to Satan.

Thanks.

God bless.

CaveAdullam:
Even Baba God the father gave lectures on Behemoth and Leviathan in Job chapter 40 and 41 respectively. He didn't stop there, He also gave a brief summary of Lucifer in Isaiah 14 and a better review in Ezekiel 26. Before that, He took Moses to the beginning of man in Genesis and showed him what transpired between satan, the serpent and Eve.

What about little details of Baal, Ashtaroth, Prince of Persia etc. scattered in some of the books of the old testament, not to even talk of the book of Revelations. This little details in the Bible about Satan and his cohorts will become substantial when accumulated for tutorial purposes. And if they are not so important why did the Holy Spirit documented them for us?

We are humans, some see 6 as 9 and vice versa based on their coordinates. If you understand the motives of EnthronedbyGod then you need not bother. There are loads of tragic stories that are turn offs in the Bible but those that understands the working of the Holy Spirit behind it embraces it with all their heart.

This expose is not to promote fear or cause an increase in knowledge even if it might occur along the way, its sole aim is to expose the works of Satan and triumph in victory over him because he is conquered already and as a result our testimonies will be of hope to others who are yet to EXPERIENCE their victory. Although, it is not what a preacher ought to preach everyday, it is a topic that is taught for deliverance purposes and also for others to avoid things pertaining to Satan.

Thanks.

God bless.

God bless you jare.

Perhaps all those ones were deleted from their Bibles.

OkCornel:
Anas09, Here is Kenneth Hagin clearly writing in his book - The Triumphant Church, page 147. That Jesus appeared to him and taught him extensively on the subject of demons.

But oh well, according to you...that is "the deep things of Satan".
In that book, you'll see how the operations of the kingdom of darkness is laid bare for all to see. Unless you want to tell us Kenneth Hagin is a charlatan also obsessed with the deep things of Satan.


I will address your post much later today in detail. I am quite amused at your responses here.

Hahahahahahaha. Sorry you picked the wrong minister because this one I follow closely and he doesn't teach the deep things of satan .

Compare what the Op is doing here with what Pa Hagin taught if they are the same.
Again. Let me reiterate, before you run off shouting that i said I don't believe in the existence of demons or their operations. I do.

How many of PA Hagin's books have you read? How many kf them are about satan?

Good God gave him an encounter that's personal, you don't make a doctrine out of it.

And pls can you breath in for a moment? Let's talk about the Word of God, shall we?


What are the deep things of satan Jesus talked about?

Anas09:

Hahahahahahaha. Sorry you picked the wrong minister because this one I follow closely and he doesn't teach the deep things of satan .

Compare what the Op is doing here with what Pa Hagin taught if they are the same.
Again. Let me reiterate, before you run off shouting that i said I don't believe in the existence of demons or their operations. I do.

How many of PA Hagin's books have you read? How many kf them are about satan?

Good God gave him an encounter that's personal, you don't make a doctrine out of it.

And pls can you breath in for a moment? Let's talk about the Word of God, shall we?


What are the deep things of satan Jesus talked about?

Have you read The Triumphant Church?

Besides, Paul had a personal encounter with Jesus. He wrote about it in some of his letters. Those letters became part of the Bible. Paul's story is acceptable and universal simply because - it is in the Bible.


The same Jesus appeared to Kenneth Hagin, gave him a detailed expose on the operations of Demons. He wrote a book on it. Kenneth Hagin's story is not acceptable and universal simply because - it is not in the Bible.


Smh.

OkCornel:

I called out someone for not respecting himself by trolling and heckling people far younger than him?

How do you know his age? I don't want to dwell on this because I can not tell you who to respect. I No be your mama.

OkCornel:

Abi is that what you dream to be that jobless doing that in your old age? Arguing with and trolling younger people?

When you grow old, may you never have a discussion with those younger than you. May they completely ignore and relegate you. If you try to join in a discussion, may they do to you what you are doing here. No wahala.

OkCornel:

Face the issue here. Double standards![

If you meant this to be an insult, then you failed. You don't know my history in Nairaland if you do you, you shd know how thick-skinned I am.
You be childs for mouth. I don repent so move along.

OkCornel:

You claim calling someone names is not Christlike, yet that same person calls another person a charlatan and a demonologist, shebi that one is Christlike too abi? Abeg stop justifying hypocrisy here jare.

I'm beginning to perceive a teenager behind this Moniker. Maybe I shd stop responding to you.

I asked you what the person did before he was called a Charlatan and a demonologist.
I didn't see the Post where he was called that. But till now, you didn't answer that post.
Here you are thinking you can insult me since your mouth is bigger than mine.

Listen. You may think you are young so your insults to your seniors shd hurt, but even if you are 20yrs, you are an old man to someone else. So don't worry, you shall grow old, or if you hate old age, may you never grow old so that the younger ones wouldn't have to insult you by calling you old man.

And Okcornel. When I engage people, I focus on the Op not the person I'm engaging. But, If you want to insult me personally let me know so that I can open a thread for that purpose, when you have your fill, you can breath down and work tall telling yourself how good you are at insults.

Only the unintelligent and people with complex attack persons instead if issues.