I am only irked by the deliberate misuse of caps. No more! No less!!
Senselessness has made you forgotten that Nairaland is not an English class. Typo errors, deliberate misuse of words, letters and grammar are part of the fun sane minds like mine enjoy here.
This Nigerian woman acted unprofessionally and contrary to AMA policy. There are many off-label treatments used in the US, but such treatments must have undergone diligent studies and consensually approved by the AMA, FDA, CDC before they can be used. This woman will soon make the medical degree of many Nigerian trained physicians in America face serious scrutiny. She even said publicly that she has been treating people outside the rules stated by the AMA. This has never happened before. It's like an employee taking on her employer. Politics can ruin lives.
I want to believe you're a child which is why you're unable to make your point without insults, In which case, I hope you grow up.
Without discarding your childish insults, I'll ask that you research those promoting the news and video. If you think the US will allow almost 140k of her citizen die where hydrochloroquine can help, then maybe you're indeed a child. If you think the whole world, from Russia, Iran, UK, France, Spain, Brazil, South Korea, Japan etc all agreed to such conspiracy, then it's no longer a conspiracy-its a way of life.
Once again, I'll advise you learn how to engage in conversations without insults except you're a toddler in which case it's understandable.
Una no know Wetin dey sup. I guess you watch cnn like crazy. Do you know that recently parents protested that schools should resume Or That the number of people dying are left to get worse before they are actually treated. Guy ehn No be Wetin dem dey show u for Nigeria dem for cnn dem dey show dem for USA. I laugh Nigerians una no go fit understand
Oga there is such a thing as OTC,POM and CD You can't get every drug you want without a doctors prescription Drugs are chemicals and they have the potential to harm you and probably kill you if taken wrongly or under wrong circumstances amid other challenges
If not that Nigeria is the way it is u think u can get ampiclox so easily
I believe your post is for someone else. I live in North America, and I am aware of how drugs are prescribed and dispensed .
A comma is not needed after "post" since the next word "and" is a conjunction.
He is actually right. It's a conjunction , but you need a comma when you use a conjunction to join two sentences that could ideally stand on there own.
Una no know Wetin dey sup. I guess you watch cnn like crazy. Do you know that recently parents protested that schools should resume Or That the number of people dying are left to get worse before they are actually treated. Guy ehn No be Wetin dem dey show u for Nigeria dem for cnn dem dey show dem for USA. I laugh Nigerians una no go fit understand
Of course they should delete it, it makes absolutely no sense.. hydrochloroquine, zinc and zithromas is available everywhere. Nobody want others to die, and her conclusion is not valid. Aba Kyari and co would probably had swallowed loads of those, it's not as easy as she's saying it.
Again, she had history, research on her
Fools like you wait for CNN. May you jkeeo waiting for them
Wolgrace: 97 days to go.. Trump is a perfect craft in the hand of his craft masters who owns the two-horn party system..
Chloroquine is not really the cure for the virus invented by the western masters, they are hiding the patent cure from us, but not God..
Trump's strong emphasis on chloroquine and WHO's rejection are media baits and deception to pull zombie crowd unto himself for political score point as a intolerant saviour, and it's a total mockery to mankind..!
Republicans said Chloroquine cures, while democrats said otherwise. Both parties are ONE and controlled by American god-masters, likewise WHO. They are means of dividing masses because division is the foundation of false leaders potrays as saviours. They are destroyers!
Deletion of the viral video is a vital political marketing in the midst of chaos created by them. It's all about Trump, and marketing him is a scripted game to fool the whole world in seeing him as a saviour and one who's on the side of mankind.
BlindedIrony: Damn! They just had to have a professional black disgraced herself. Just look at how the other doctors stood silently and watched as their black colleague ranted on like a clueless idiot. She may be a doctor, but her practice is obviously limited since she has no idea what is going on. What do you expect from a Nigerian-trained doctor that moved to the US??
What an incompetent brat! This is why we have 4,000,000 damn infected Americans. And, we are still counting our losses. Y'all are not making our jobs around the world easy with this nonsense.
One of my girlfriend's friends caught the corona. She is dying. Just last week, we had a video call with her. She is confined in her house with oxygen tanks. She CANNOT breathe without artificial respiration. Her sons had to go away, so they cannot get it. Also, I know a woman that used to deliver food to us at the hospital. She got corona and she died within a week! Her husband was not even allowed to see her due to a high risk of infection.
For the so-called illiterate experts that are out there- people who think they know it all because of an out-dated medical education, hydroxychloroquine CANNOT kill a virus. IT IS MEANT FOR THE PROTIST GROUP. A protist is a microscopic organism that can cause a disease when it invades the body. A notable example is Plasmodium- which is responsible for MALARIA. Plasmodium is a parasite. It is its biological byproduct that causes malaria. Unlike plasmodium, a virus is NOT AN ORGANISM. It is a strand of RNA or DNA wrapped in a protein shealth.
What does it mean?
It means that once a virus finds its way to your body. Its outer protein coat has spikes that are codes. If its code matches the cellular code, your cells are tricked into accepting it thinking it is one of them. Once the virus goes into your cells, it tries to use your cell's chromosomes to replicate exact copies of itself. It will keep doing this, until your cells cannot hold it anymore. So your cells lyse themselves due to pressure to release the virus- meaning they burst. A notable example is the mouth sores (Herpes Virus). This is why cold sores are very infectious. It happens all the time too for infected people!
Now, malaria drugs are ineffective against viruses. This is because viruses cannot be knocked out by anti-malarial drugs, so that the virus can be eaten by your own body soldiers (white blood cells like phagocytes, T-Cells and B-Cells and Macrophages). A virus is a genetic code that becomes active inside your body. So why exactly are you looking to knock out with Malaria drugs and zinc??
The reason why anti-malaria works against Plasmodium is because they either numb them for the white blood cells to attack overwhelmingly, or they kill Plasmodium. Either way, Plasmodium will not be able to use its enzymes to get into cells in order to feed. Compare to Plasmodium, viruses are so small that Plasmodium will not even see them , if they lived in a world together!
I am angry that they had this black doctor say these things, when everyone in second year medical school knows that there are ONLY TWO ways of killing viruses in the body. First, viruses are killed in the body through vaccines(an antigen containing weak viruses) injected into the body. When the white blood cells see them, they can attack them successfully. When the virus are eaten, the phagocytes will regurgitate pieces of the virus to the B-Cells and T-Cells. These cells store the bits of the virus, so they can learn to recognize the virus entry again. And, use the strategy the phagocytes used for successful viral elimination. If you do not believe me, ready any advanced medical microbiology textbook or GOOGLE. The second way of killing virus is to stop their cycles. Viruses have cycles. From cell entry to cell lysis. Once anti-viral medication messes up one of the cycles, a whole generation can be wiped off due their inability to continue the cycles. The second way does not always work, because some viruses can recode their protein shells to match the cells. So, your white bloods cannot see them in the blood stream because they blend as body cells and white blood cells only attack foreign antigens (except in extremely rare cases like cancer and others). Also, anti-viral medication cannot work because the viruses are so smaller than cells that they can hide in your cell nucleus. There is no way a drug can reach them or even white blood cells. White blood cells do not even go into cells to attack! They have to get the virus before it goes into the cells. Sometimes, a cell has to die early by bursting to send invasion signals to other cells who will create little gaps for white bloods to get in and attack whatever was released.
Besides this, anti-viral medications rarely attack the strong protein coat of viruses. That is why cold sores, hepatitis A B C , HPV, HIV and others do not have anti-viral cure. Rather Hepatitis and HPV have some sorta vaccines to introduce weak viruses that your body can take care of and store the memory of attack for next viral invasion.
Anyways, enough of microbiology.
Now, it takes a fool to say COVID is not real. It is as real as you. And, it has come to stay like HIV and others. Remember HIV killed millions during its early stages until it was regulated? Still no cure today. There are actually no viral cure. Only vaccines help boost our body soldiers- the white blood cells. That is why HIV first kills off your white blood cells, before cell entry. So, protect yourself. Wear masks. Just because a person is a doctor does not mean they have all the answers. Medical doctors ARE NOT research scientists. If scientists say to wash hands regularly, wear mask and stay six feet, just shut your trap and do it. Stop being selfish. Stop spreading fake news with no evidence. And Good God, stop being an instrument of mass infection!
It is as simple as that. Geez!
The game is beyond what you read in scientific journals. Open your eyes. There is a much bigger scheme happenjng. You think you sound inetlligent, but you are wallowing in ignorance.
Wolgrace: 97 days to go.. Trump is a perfect craft in the hand of his craft masters who owns the two-horn party system..
Chloroquine is not really the cure for the virus invented by the western masters, they are hiding the patent cure from us, but not God..
Trump's strong emphasis on chloroquine and WHO's rejection are media baits and deception to pull zombie crowd unto himself for political score point as a intolerant saviour, and it's a total mockery to mankind..!
Republicans said Chloroquine cures, while democrats said otherwise. Both parties are ONE and controlled by American god-masters, likewise WHO. They are means of dividing masses because division is the foundation of false leaders potrays as saviours. They are destroyers!
Deletion of the viral video is a vital political marketing in the midst of chaos created by them. It's all about Trump, and marketing him is a scripted game to fool the whole world in seeing him as a saviour and one who's on the side of mankind.
Well u didn't sound like u were referring to the use of HCQ for coronavirus as am off label therapy,it was more like it was already proven to be safe and efficacious since Trump and a few others have used it as you said.
I'm concerned about ur position on the woman's claim especially because u are a pharmacist going by what u said and ur comment here would be or rather should be an authority,others may speak the way they like no one holds them accountable but ur opinion counts and when someone spreads the world it would sound like "......a pharmacist said u can use hydroxychloroquine for cornavirus treatment" . As much as everyone out there I want a cure to be found as soon as possible,I have parents and loved who have comorbidities I have lost a person close to a friend to this disease who knows,tomorrow it could be a direct relative so it would be unreasonable not to wish for her claim not to be true,however any claim of a curative or palliative therapy has to be demonstrated. In this case trials have been conducted on Hydroxychloroquine an it has been ruled out as an alternative especially considering the side effects and now this woman comes up to lay these claims,I'm not saying she is wrong but she has a burden to proof what she has claimed and if I were to pick a side I would say she is insincere or ignorant considering that trials have been made by several credible bodies,except if you claim that all these bodies have some sinister intentions. The summary is this,I'm concerned that you are in a haste to take sides when sufficient evidence is not available and the one which is to be held most credible is against the claim. You are a pharmacist u have a duty to stand against the misuse and abuse of drugs and also hesitation to administer drugs that would be of benefit to the patient. I hope you do this without bias or subjective feelings and opinion,until a drug is "sufficiently" proven to be of benefit for use in a particular condition be it a novel molecule or a product of drug repurposing I don't think its wise for u to take a definitive position.
You framed your question as though many drugs are not used everyday to treat "close friends, relatives and patients" of certain conditions without a sufficient prove (through medical trials) for use in such conditions. How else would you call such use of drug other than off-label? HCQ is presently being used as an off-label treatment for Covid-19. Do Dr's wait for sufficient prove before using drugs as off label? Knowlege of the mechanism of action, pathophysiology of the disease, Anecdotal evidence and evidence in practice are usually all they need to prescribe such drugs so far as the benefit of use outweighs the risk. This is clearly the case for covid19 and HCQ. I understand the need for sufficient prove as you said but we are not in normal times. We are in a pandemic, so timelines and standards for approval are relaxed to shorten the time effective candidates get to the patient.
Regarding the side effects, Chloroquine and its metabolite HCQ are not new molecules as you said. They have been around for over 50yrs and used for the treatment of malaria. It adverse effects are well documented but they are known to be generally save. WHO relied on the result of the now retracted research published on Lancet about the safety and efficacy of HCQ to discontinue its own research. So if these drugs are generally safe, and there are no proven treatments available, and there is an anecdotal evidence that these drugs treat and prevent covid-19 when used early, why deny Drs the right to prescribe these agent to patients as it is being done in the US? I am not encouraging abuse and misuse. I have stated clearly in one of my comments here that they shld be prescribed by a professional
BlindedIrony: Damn! They just had to have a professional black disgraced herself. Just look at how the other doctors stood silently and watched as their black colleague ranted on like a clueless idiot. She may be a doctor, but her practice is obviously limited since she has no idea what is going on. What do you expect from a Nigerian-trained doctor that moved to the US??
What an incompetent brat! This is why we have 4,000,000 damn infected Americans. And, we are still counting our losses. Y'all are not making our jobs around the world easy with this nonsense.
One of my girlfriend's friends caught the corona. She is dying. Just last week, we had a video call with her. She is confined in her house with oxygen tanks. She CANNOT breathe without artificial respiration. Her sons had to go away, so they cannot get it. Also, I know a woman that used to deliver food to us at the hospital. She got corona and she died within a week! Her husband was not even allowed to see her due to a high risk of infection.
For the so-called illiterate experts that are out there- people who think they know it all because of an out-dated medical education, hydroxychloroquine CANNOT kill a virus. IT IS MEANT FOR THE PROTIST GROUP. A protist is a microscopic organism that can cause a disease when it invades the body. A notable example is Plasmodium- which is responsible for MALARIA. Plasmodium is a parasite. It is its biological byproduct that causes malaria. Unlike plasmodium, a virus is NOT AN ORGANISM. It is a strand of RNA or DNA wrapped in a protein shealth.
What does it mean?
It means that once a virus finds its way to your body. Its outer protein coat has spikes that are codes. If its code matches the cellular code, your cells are tricked into accepting it thinking it is one of them. Once the virus goes into your cells, it tries to use your cell's chromosomes to replicate exact copies of itself. It will keep doing this, until your cells cannot hold it anymore. So your cells lyse themselves due to pressure to release the virus- meaning they burst. A notable example is the mouth sores (Herpes Virus). This is why cold sores are very infectious. It happens all the time too for infected people!
Now, malaria drugs are ineffective against viruses. This is because viruses cannot be knocked out by anti-malarial drugs, so that the virus can be eaten by your own body soldiers (white blood cells like phagocytes, T-Cells and B-Cells and Macrophages). A virus is a genetic code that becomes active inside your body. So why exactly are you looking to knock out with Malaria drugs and zinc??
The reason why anti-malaria works against Plasmodium is because they either numb them for the white blood cells to attack overwhelmingly, or they kill Plasmodium. Either way, Plasmodium will not be able to use its enzymes to get into cells in order to feed. Compare to Plasmodium, viruses are so small that Plasmodium will not even see them , if they lived in a world together!
I am angry that they had this black doctor say these things, when everyone in second year medical school knows that there are ONLY TWO ways of killing viruses in the body. First, viruses are killed in the body through vaccines(an antigen containing weak viruses) injected into the body. When the white blood cells see them, they can attack them successfully. When the virus are eaten, the phagocytes will regurgitate pieces of the virus to the B-Cells and T-Cells. These cells store the bits of the virus, so they can learn to recognize the virus entry again. And, use the strategy the phagocytes used for successful viral elimination. If you do not believe me, ready any advanced medical microbiology textbook or GOOGLE. The second way of killing virus is to stop their cycles. Viruses have cycles. From cell entry to cell lysis. Once anti-viral medication messes up one of the cycles, a whole generation can be wiped off due their inability to continue the cycles. The second way does not always work, because some viruses can recode their protein shells to match the cells. So, your white bloods cannot see them in the blood stream because they blend as body cells and white blood cells only attack foreign antigens (except in extremely rare cases like cancer and others). Also, anti-viral medication cannot work because the viruses are so smaller than cells that they can hide in your cell nucleus. There is no way a drug can reach them or even white blood cells. White blood cells do not even go into cells to attack! They have to get the virus before it goes into the cells. Sometimes, a cell has to die early by bursting to send invasion signals to other cells who will create little gaps for white bloods to get in and attack whatever was released.
Besides this, anti-viral medications rarely attack the strong protein coat of viruses. That is why cold sores, hepatitis A B C , HPV, HIV and others do not have anti-viral cure. Rather Hepatitis and HPV have some sorta vaccines to introduce weak viruses that your body can take care of and store the memory of attack for next viral invasion.
Anyways, enough of microbiology.
Now, it takes a fool to say COVID is not real. It is as real as you. And, it has come to stay like HIV and others. Remember HIV killed millions during its early stages until it was regulated? Still no cure today. There are actually no viral cure. Only vaccines help boost our body soldiers- the white blood cells. That is why HIV first kills off your white blood cells, before cell entry. So, protect yourself. Wear masks. Just because a person is a doctor does not mean they have all the answers. Medical doctors ARE NOT research scientists. If scientists say to wash hands regularly, wear mask and stay six feet, just shut your trap and do it. Stop being selfish. Stop spreading fake news with no evidence. And Good God, stop being an instrument of mass infection!
It is as simple as that. Geez!
Did your dying girlfriend and the other woman you know both tried Choloroquine? Do you know anyone that feel very sick or died after taking chloroquine? If not then why are you debunking an analysis by a professional doctor? What does a covid infected person stand to loose if they tried cholorquine? (nothing!!) I think you should rather encourage infected people you know to try chloroquine, rather than be the person to discourage them from trying a treatment that may probably save thier lives..
Also I think you probably copied and pasted this your post..
Who said anything about conforming to a "predetermined outcome"? Is that what I said or is that your own strawman distortion? I said that Google of course should prioritize medical consensus. Who said that medical consensus must conform to a predetermined outcome? Retracted studies from Lancet were precipitated by the criticism of hundreds of professionals who found the data implausible. So it,s not just "this same group of Drs". Stop manufacturing credibility with falsehoods.
Everyone needs people to think for them because there is much that everyone doesn't know. Our ability to discern is limited by what we know. The point is in trying to dismiss the majority of scientists infinitely more credentialed than you are, you're kidding yourself ascribing knowledge to yourself that you do not possess. You don't know more than the powers that be at the US FDA, or Fauci's Institute of Infectious Diseases, or the WHO, or most of the intellegentsia in the top medical institutes in the world whose findings contradict your claims . You simply don't. If you're not doing serious groundbreaking medical or public health research, then stop kidding yourself - you have nothing productive to contribute to the discourse.
Do you actually know google, facebook and youtube's policies on Covid-19 researches and recommendation?
(1)Their policy summary states any research whose outcome deviates from the recommendations of the so-called Medical Consensus (actually WHO or CDC) should be deprioritized or even removed.
(2)That is for any research to be published, its recommendations must not disagree with the those of WHO or CDC.
(3)In other words, a research's outcome is already predetermined for it to be published.
You cannot support no.1 without supporting no.2 and no 3. It's simple logic.
Second. These were a team of Medical Doctors, some with many years of working experience, working at the frontline. It was just not an individual. It was therefore uncharitable of you to refer to them and other independent organizations as "every fringe radical and quack and kook and conspiracy theorist?" Do you know that CDC disagrees with WHo on many points. If that is true, why shouldn't others have disagreements with them. The knowlege of Covid-19 is still evolving. No one organization has the monopoly of knowledge.
"If you're not a top end, cutting edge researcher in these fields, you have nothing constructive to add to the debate other than listening and learning and taking your cues from tested, well-researched consensus"
Lol...I laugh to the above comment. You see my friend, it is not a rocket science. Now is especially in an era of information overload. Moreover you don't even know me. Not everyone is lazy. Some of us actually make out time to study outside our fields, get access to research, meta-analyze and thereby make sound deductions and meaningful contributions to public discourse.
the woman is a confusionist. with all her sucumbus incubus, celebrity impregnating a lady through her dream and filling her stomach with semen.... and a whole lots of silliness from her....
Breitbart is the originator of the video and Breitbart is headed by Steve bannon a conspiracy theorist and former ally of Trump.
imperiouxx: This Nigerian woman acted unprofessionally and contrary to AMA policy. There are many off-label treatments used in the US, but such treatments must have undergone diligent studies and consensually approved by the AMA, FDA, CDC before they can be used. This woman will soon make the medical degree of many Nigerian trained physicians in America face serious scrutiny. She even said publicly that she has been treating people outside the rules stated by the AMA. This has never happened before. It's like an employee taking on her employer. Politics can ruin lives.
So will as a doctor watch your patient die all in the name of policy?
Do you actually know google, facebook and youtube's policies on Covid-19 researches and recommendation?
(1)Their policy summary states any research whose outcome deviates from the recommendations of the so-called Medical Consensus (actually WHO or CDC) should be deprioritized or even removed.
(2)That is for any research to be published, its recommendations must not disagree with the those of WHO or CDC.
(3)In other words, a research's outcome is already predetermined for it to be published.
You cannot support no.1 without supporting no.2 and no 3. It's simple logic.
Second. These were a team of Medical Doctors, some with many years of working experience, working at the frontline. It was just not an individual. It was therefore uncharitable of you to refer to them and other independent organizations as "every fringe radical and quack and kook and conspiracy theorist?" Do you know that CDC disagrees with WHo on many points. If that is true, why shouldn't others have disagreements with them. The knowlege of Covid-19 is still evolving. No one organization has the monopoly of knowledge.
"If you're not a top end, cutting edge researcher in these fields, you have nothing constructive to add to the debate other than listening and learning and taking your cues from tested, well-researched consensus"
Lol...I laugh to the above comment. You see my friend, it is not a rocket science. Now is especially in an era of information overload. Moreover you don't even know me. Not everyone is lazy. Some of us actually make out time to study outside our fields, get access to research, meta-analyze and thereby make sound deductions and meaningful contributions to public discourse.
In your view, do you believe that there are some truth in that Dr's assertion?
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