Myer:


Even the promise to Noah was that the world will never be destroyed.

Never be destroyed by another flood!

MrPresident1:


No, you are very wrong.

End of the world means, end of the reign of satan's rule over this world,

we are saying the same thing

which is the return of Jesus.

if you are referring to the second coming of Jesus well that is not it.
When Jesus Christ came to die for the sins of mankind, he put an end to the rule of Satan, but only to those who believe.
But the return of Jesus?
Jesus has been returning everyday to judge everyone that dies.
It is appointed ones for men to die, after that judgement. This is a spiritual event that happens in the spirit when anyone dies. Revelation 20:12-15

So, when we say end of the world, we are talking about the end of wickedness, lawlessness, evil, cruelty, and inhumanity. The coming of Jesus will end all these

is this what you mean?
Then you are wrong

We still have wickedness, evil, lawlessness around us what are you talking.
Jesus Christ has come these things are still there,
Jesus Christ is still coming the second time these things are still there, no change.

Or have you not read 2 Corinthians?

2 Corinthians 12:4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.

In paradise, in heaven?

1. We are already in heaven, Christ resurrection has ushed us into heaven
2. Evil is everywhere including this heaven that we are already in on this earth.
3. The coming of Jesus has nothing to do with the world and it evil, Jesus even said it, my kingdom is not of this world.

Matthew 24:3
And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

the question they asked him was, what shall be the signs of thy coming which he came 2000 years ago to die for the sins of mankind don't you get it?
Please don't allow this thing to scam you o before you start saying the bible was fraudulent

Please go back and read the whole of that Matthew 24 you will see that all the signs he told them happened about the time he was speaking to them.
Infact Jesus ended by saying.

Matthew 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

So, everything happened in that generation.

Please don't be scammed o

shadeyinka:

I will take you up only on entropy!

Will our sun live forever according to the law of conservation of energy? The sun is always loosing mass and energy: will it not die someday?

Entropy increasing with time means that all known order in existence will tend towards disorder.

you made a point.
That means as the sun is undergoing it nuclear fission it is loosing it mass gradually.

We are learning something new

But that will still take almost forever compared to human time before the total disorder?

Myer:


Even the promise to Noah was that the world will never be destroyed.

God bless you!

That was a promise!
Was God lying in his promise?

Is God a God that will promise one thing and end up doing something else like humans?

I don't think so!

shadeyinka:

Never be destroyed by another flood!

That's true but you forget his promise before that.

Genesis 8:21-22

The LORD smelled the pleasing aroma and said in his heart: “Never again will I curse the ground because of humans, even though every inclination of the human heart is evil from childhood. And never again will I destroy all living creatures, as I have done.

22 “As long as the earth endures, seedtime and harvest, cold and heat, summer and winter, day and night will never cease.”

That means whether through flood or what not, he will never again destroy earth.

MrPresident1:


The Bible is inerrant.

There are people who mis-interprete deliberately and there are those who do so by mistake. You are a deliberate mis-quoter, mis-interpreter, and mis-translator of the Bible. The way of the people who do what you are doing is cursed, both here and in the hereafter.

you can say that again

It's your opinion, but no ground.

Myer:


That's true but you forget his promise before that.

Genesis 8:21-22

The LORD smelled the pleasing aroma and said in his heart: “Never again will I curse the ground because of humans, even though every inclination of the human heart is evil from childhood. And never again will I destroy all living creatures, as I have done.

22 “As long as the earth endures, seedtime and harvest, cold and heat, summer and winter, day and night will never cease.”

That means whether through flood or what not, he will never again destroy earth.

It means there will always be s place called the earth where people will live. This doesn't violate

Rev 21:1: "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea."

In the new earth, there would be no night for God will be their light

paxonel:
you made a point.
That means as the sun is undergoing it nuclear fission it is loosing it mass gradually.

We are learning something new

But that will still take almost forever compared to human time before the total disorder?

It may be some long time to come but if the sun is dying, the present earth as we know it cannot be forever

shadeyinka:

It means there will always be s place called the earth where people will live. This doesn't violate

Rev 21:1: "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea."

In the new earth, there would be no night for God will be their light

Don't confuse yourself with the visions in revelation.

Those visions were not time bound. Some of the events were even before earth was formed.

The new heaven and earth probably referred to after the flood.

Myer:


Don't confuse yourself with the visions in revelation.

Those visions were not time bound. Some of the events were even before earth was formed.

The new heaven and earth probably referred to after the flood.

..and no more sea cannot be this current world
Rev 22:5: "And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun ; for the Lord God gives them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever."

shadeyinka:

It may be some long time to come but if the sun is dying, the present earth as we know it cannot be forever

very true!

shadeyinka:

..and no more sea cannot be this current world
Rev 22:5: "And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun ; for the Lord God gives them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever."

You'll only confuse yourself more with these visions and prophecies.

There are several such prophecies and visions by Isaiah and Jeremiah. Doesn't mean it has happened.

paxonel:
very true!

The good news however is that there would be a recreation of the earth which is not dependent on the sun that wears out due to loss of energy.

Rev 21:23-25: "And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof. And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honor into it. And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there."

Myer:


You'll only confuse yourself more with these visions and prophecies.

There are several such prophecies and visions by Isaiah and Jeremiah. Doesn't mean it has happened.

What it mean is that it will happen.

Our sun is daily loosing mass and energy. At a time in future, the remaining energy in the sun will not be able to sustain the earth. The reduced gravitational field from the sun will cause the earth to move through a larger orbit. It would be so cold that the seas will freeze up.

Much latter, the sun will become a black hole swallowing everything within its visibility.

You can argue scriptures because it is subjective however you cannot dispute the objective facts of science.

paxonel:
do you believe that everything written in the bible were written literally? (in clear language for people to understand)

Take a look at this one

Matthew 13:33 Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.

Did Jesus give interpretation to this parable?
Can you then interprete it and know what it means since Jesus didn't give it interpretation thereof?

The same thing applies to some scriptures you read. They were not given outright interpretation but they expected the reader to read and understand.

Look, the writers of the bible are not mad.
No sensible person talk mysteries in a real world, any phrase you come across in the bible that sound mysterious to you have interior meaning, go for the meaning.
If you fail to go for the meaning it's your fault, not the writers fault

Look at this one.

Revelation 21:24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.

Let's assume heaven was in the mysteries beyond the clouds how then will the king of the earth bring their glory to it?
They will climb ladder up to heaven?

Does that make sense to you?

Revelation 21:24 is a figurative language or parable and if you want to see the sense in it, then you should look at it that both the kings of earth and the kingdom of God where they bring their glory and honor, are all on this earth since they cannot climb ladder to the clouds

Well, you can choose to believe whatever you want to believe it's a free world
But understand one thing : If you have never read the bible from Genesis to Revelation such that every scripture you come across point to one thing which is the final conclusion of the whole bible you read, then you have not started reading.

I'm afraid I don't see the reason that you may have meant to give for which I should believe that I should take anything in the Bible other than literally. I know that where the Bible is making metaphors, it makes it clear that it is doing so, for example:

1 A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head.
Revelation 12:1 (NIV)

Here it says very obviously that a "sign" appeared in heaven. So this was a metaphor. It was not to be understood to be literal. Why then should I assume that where we are not told that something is a metaphor I can just unilaterally assume that it is a metaphor? How am I to know when it is a metaphor and when it isn't? How do you yourself know? Some magical intuition?

In Matthew 13:33, the Bible clearly says that it was a parable (that is, a device for comparing something to something else) and the Lord said that the Kingdom of Heaven was like something. That is clear enough. I don't see anything like that in the passage about the Day of the Lord.

The writers of the Scriptures were most certainly not mad. They were inspired. But you are obviously not inspired, so your interpretation of their writings needs to be vetted for reliability. As it is, it sounds rather insane. It doesn't sound at all like you and I read the same Scriptures.

Psalms 78:69
Psalms 104:5
Psalms 119:90
Ecclesiastes 1:4

All proved that the earth will remain forever, but when we say "the world" we are referring to the people not the planet. Surely the world will come to an end but those who are doing the will of God will remain here on planet earth! 1John 2:15-17 compare to Proverbs 2:20-22

God bless you!

Ihedinobi3:

Here it says very obviously that a "sign" appeared in heaven. So this was a metaphor.

you just rightly assumed that the scripture is a metaphor because it says a sign appeared in heaven, not that you were told that it is a metaphor.
So, why don't you do the same to other scriptures with the same structure?

In Matthew 13:33, the Bible clearly says that it was a parable (that is, a device for comparing something to something else) and the Lord said that the Kingdom of Heaven was like something. That is clear enough. I don't see anything like that in the passage about the Day of the Lord.

you see now that Matthew 13:23 was well interpreted. But that is not the same to all parables of Jesus , that's why i say there is need to look at the structure of a statement in order to identity whether it is parable or not.

The writers of the Scriptures were most certainly not mad. They were inspired. But you are obviously not inspired, so your interpretation of their writings needs to be vetted for reliability

certainly!
I do not expect anyone to just take my word instantly. I always adjourn people to go back and cross check what i have said.

. As it is, it sounds rather insane. It doesn't sound at all like you and I read the same Scriptures.

exactly!
Do you realize that different sects of Christianity tend to have their different interpretations of certain scriptures?
That is because of variances in human reasoning

paxonel:
you just rightly assumed that the scripture is a metaphor because it says a sign appeared in heaven, not that you were told that it is a metaphor.
So, why don't you do the same to other scriptures with the same structure?
you see now that Matthew 13:23 was well interpreted. But that is not the same to all parables of Jesus , that's why i say there is need to look at the structure of a statement in order to identity whether it is parable or not.
certainly!
I do not expect anyone to just take my word instantly. I always adjourn people to go back and cross check what i have said.
exactly!
Do you realize that different sects of Christianity tend to have their different interpretations of certain scriptures?
That is because of variances in human reasoning

My point was that Revelation 12:1 said that it was about to use a metaphor. I'm not sure how you missed that.

Let me assure you that I don't for a moment believe that you are even possibly right about what you are talking about here. So you would be very remiss indeed to think that I could come around to your way of thinking. Your error is very blatant on this platform.

It doesn't matter that a thousand people have a thousand different interpretations of the same Scriptures. It only matters whether one has the right interpretation:

20 . . . no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation
2 Peter 1:20 (NKJV)

shadeyinka:

The good news however is that there would be a recreation of the earth which is not dependent on the sun that wears out due to loss of energy.

Rev 21:23-25: "And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof. And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honor into it. And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there."

who are these kings of the earth that do bring their glory into it, are they part of the new earth or they are kings of this present earth?

paxonel:
who are these kings of the earth that do bring their glory into it, are they part of the new earth or they are kings of this present earth?

I think the scripture is clear about this even though we may not fully comprehend the full import of it.

There are nations of those who had been saved.
It is understandable if those nations have leaders/heads (kings).

Ihedinobi3:


My point was that Revelation 12:1 said that it was about to use a metaphor. I'm not sure how you missed that.

I don't get it?
What do you think about Revelation 12:1, are you saying it is not metaphorical?

Let me assure you that I don't for a moment believe that you are even possibly right about what you are talking about here.

see, whether you believe it or not I'm not interested.
There are other people who have come into this thread they have seen my point.

So you would be very remiss indeed to think that I could come around to your way of thinking. Your error is very blatant on this platform.

And like i said, you have your opinion, i have mine. I'm not here to convince you of anything, I'm just saying my opinion. If you think you have a superior thought than what i presented then correct me constructively, otherwise forget it.

This is my stand on the thread.
Some scriptures are written figuratively if you do not agree with that, then prove me wrong.
So far you have not.

It doesn't matter that a thousand people have a thousand different interpretations of the same Scriptures. It only matters whether one has the right interpretation:

that is what I'm driving at.
The bible came with a message which would have made this world a better place but today's conventional religion has altered the fundermentals of that message thereby throwing the society into a disarray of moral decadence.
So, my attempt was to draw people's attention back to the original message so that there will be sanity.

20 . . . no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation
2 Peter 1:20 (NKJV)

scriptures are self-explanatory if you put all things together. You can read the bible and understand it like any book, But obviously, we have inherited faulty unrealistic doctrines from perhaps Christian missionaries who brought Christianity into this part of the world centuries back and it is affecting our society today.

shadeyinka:

I think the scripture is clear about this even though we may not fully comprehend the full import of it.

There are nations of those who had been saved.
It is understandable if those nations have leaders/heads (kings).

let me bring that part of the scripture again

Revelation 21:24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.

This tells us that the nations of them which are saved are different people from these kings of the earth who bring their glory.
We agreed that the nations of them which are saved were saved from the old earth. But these kings, where do they come from?
Because certainly, they are not among the nations that were saved from the old earth and couldn't possibly come from the old earth, where then do they come from?

Is it that as the new earth was created these kings were created into it as well?

paxonel:
let me bring that part of the scripture again

Revelation 21:24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.

This tells us that the nations of them which are saved are different people from these kings of the earth who bring their glory.
We agreed that the nations of them which are saved were saved from the old earth. But these kings, where do they come from?
Because certainly, they are not among the nations that were saved from the old earth and couldn't possibly come from the old earth, where then do they come from?

Is it that as the new earth was created these kings were created into it as well?

A king is the first citizen of a community. Since the bible didn't insinuate that these kings are angels, we can assume they are also one of the saved.

This is easily comprehended if we look at the parable of Jesus about the kingdom of God

Luk 19:11-13,15-19:
"And as they heard these things, he added and spoke a parable, because he was near to Jerusalem, and because they thought that the kingdom of God should immediately appear. He said therefore, A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return. And he called his ten servants, and delivered them ten pounds, and said to them, Occupy till I come . … And it came to pass, that when he was returned, having received the kingdom, then he commanded these servants to be called to him, to whom he had given the money, that he might know how much every man had gained by trading. Then came the first, saying, Lord, your pound has gained ten pounds. And he said to him, Well, you good servant: because you have been faithful in a very little, have you authority over ten cities. And the second came, saying, Lord, your pound has gained five pounds. And he said likewise to him, Be you also over five cities."

Lesson:
Those who are to be saved will be rewarded according to their faithfulness and productivity. These may be the king's referred to in Rev21:24

I'm here to observe.
Lol. I thought some people(churchgoers) do normally say that everybody is going to heaven.
Now they've approached where the Bible talks about a “new earth” and they're dumbfounded. Okay o

paxonel:
I don't get it?
What do you think about Revelation 12:1, are you saying it is not metaphorical?
see, whether you believe it or not I'm not interested.
There are other people who have come into this thread they have seen my point.

And like i said, you have your opinion, i have mine. I'm not here to convince you of anything, I'm just saying my opinion. If you think you have a superior thought than what i presented then correct me constructively, otherwise forget it.

This is my stand on the thread.
Some scriptures are written figuratively if you do not agree with that, then prove me wrong.
So far you have not.
that is what I'm driving at.
The bible came with a message which would have made this world a better place but today's conventional religion has altered the fundermentals of that message thereby throwing the society into a disarray of moral decadence.
So, my attempt was to draw people's attention back to the original message so that there will be sanity.
scriptures are self-explanatory if you put all things together. You can read the bible and understand it like any book, But obviously, we have inherited faulty unrealistic doctrines from perhaps Christian missionaries who brought Christianity into this part of the world centuries back and it is affecting our society today.

I said that "there was a sign" means that the prophet was about to give us a metaphor. So, the text itself tells you when a metaphor is being used and when it is not. It is not a call left to the reader to make.

Excellent. I actually hate what you do when you come on here to talk about the Bible. That's why I responded. It's fine if you don't care. But I do hope that you don't continue down this path, so that the condemnation due to false teachers does not fall upon you.

Correcting you is what I have been doing, but offering correction does not mean that you will accept it, does it?

I understand the feeling that many people have against the wicked men and women who claim to be all sorts of spiritual authorities over the Church today but who have only been feeding believers with lies. I sympathize with that feeling, but there is only one way to deal with that problem in keeping with the Bible: by adhering to the Scriptures and listening to only qualified pastor-teachers, not by making stuff up on our own. That is where I have an ax to grind with you.

What you are saying here is terribly wrong. The Bible's teaching of eschatology is admittedly highly complex. It's not easy at all to make sense of. In fact, I consider eschatology the most advanced doctrine of the Bible, since it requires knowledge of absolutely everything else that the Bible teaches. So, I understand when people get some things wrong in it. But making mistakes is one thing, and willfully manhandling Scriptures is another. The latter is something I hate very much. I can work with anyone who has theories and wants to see how good they are by debating them, but I can't stand people who make things up and insist that they have some right to do so.

As I said before, no one dictates to the Bible what it means. When it uses metaphors, it tells you that it is using metaphors. Otherwise, you would be wise to accept everything that it says as being literal. That is where you and I can begin to walk together. If you disagree with this, there is really nothing more to say.

DappaD:
I'm here to observe.
Lol. I thought some people(churchgoers) do normally say that everybody is going to heaven.
Now they've approached where the Bible talks about a “new earth” and they're dumbfounded. Okay o

Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
They will first of all go to heaven, sing hallelujah and later come back to live on earth!

MaxInDHouse:


Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
They will first of all go to heaven, sing hallelujah and later come back to live on earth!

Abi na field trip? Because me I'm not understanding.
Come and learn the truth from Jehovah's Witnesses—they said no—now look at how all of them are just confused.

Ihedinobi3:


I said that "there was a sign" means that the prophet was about to give us a metaphor. So, the text itself tells you when a metaphor is being used and when it is not. It is not a call left to the reader to make.

Excellent. I actually hate what you do when you come on here to talk about the Bible. That's why I responded. It's fine if you don't care. But I do hope that you don't continue down this path, so that the condemnation due to false teachers does not fall upon you.

Correcting you is what I have been doing, but offering correction does not mean that you will accept it, does it?

I understand the feeling that many people have against the wicked men and women who claim to be all sorts of spiritual authorities over the Church today but who have only been feeding believers with lies. I sympathize with that feeling, but there is only one way to deal with that problem in keeping with the Bible: by adhering to the Scriptures and listening to only qualified pastor-teachers, not by making stuff up on our own. That is where I have an ax to grind with you.

What you are saying here is terribly wrong. The Bible's teaching of eschatology is admittedly highly complex. It's not easy at all to make sense of. In fact, I consider eschatology the most advanced doctrine of the Bible, since it requires knowledge of absolutely everything else that the Bible teaches. So, I understand when people get some things wrong in it. But making mistakes is one thing, and willfully manhandling Scriptures is another. The latter is something I hate very much. I can work with anyone who has theories and wants to see how good they are by debating them, but I can't stand people who make things up and insist that they have some right to do so.

As I said before, no one dictates to the Bible what it means. When it uses metaphors, it tells you that it is using metaphors. Otherwise, you would be wise to accept everything that it says as being literal. That is where you and I can begin to walk together. If you disagree with this, there is really nothing more to say.

ok, let's be practical here without any bias of affiliation to our personal doctrines and sentiments :
Can you point out what i said concerning eschatology that is wrong?

These are my points and everything are backed up with scriptures : if there is anyone you feel that I miss quoted the scripture bring that one out and explain to me why I'm wrong.


1. We are already in God's kingdom on earth through the resurrection of Christ.
Colossians 1:13
2. This world has become the kingdom of Christ Revelation 11:15
and will last forever. Genesis 8:22
3. Judgement is immediately after we die. Hebrews 9:27
4. There is instant resurrection of Christians immediately after their death 1 Corinthians 15:35-57

Let me stop here

I just want you to pick one of these points and prove to me that either these points are not scriptural or i misquote scriptures to formulate them.

Or if there is anything i have said that is not among these points above that you feel that I misquoted scriptures bring it.

But let it be just one point so that we will focus on it.
Because the truth is you misunderstood me.
And i do not feel any obligation to explain myself to you but if you are really sincere to know what i have been saying then i think it is appropriate to ask questions first before condemning me

paxonel:
ok, let's be practical here without any bias of affiliation to our personal doctrines and sentiments :
Can you point out what i said concerning eschatology that is wrong?

These are my points and everything are backed up with scriptures : if there is anyone you feel that I miss quoted the scripture bring that one out and explain to me why I'm wrong.


1. We are already in God's kingdom on earth through the resurrection of Christ.
Colossians 1:13
2. This world has become the kingdom of Christ Revelation 11:15
and will last forever. Genesis 8:22
3. Judgement is immediately after we die. Hebrews 9:27
4. There is instant resurrection of Christians immediately after their death 1 Corinthians 15:35-57

Let me stop here

I just want you to pick one of these points and prove to me that either these points are not scriptural or i misquote scriptures to formulate them.

Or if there is anything i have said that is not among these points above that you feel that I misquoted scriptures bring it.

But let it be just one point so that we will focus on it.
Because the truth is you misunderstood me.
And i do not feel any obligation to explain myself to you but if you are really sincere to know what i have been saying then i think it is appropriate to ask questions first before condemning me

I certainly appreciate your wanting to clear things up. We are to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace (Ephesians 4:3), even when we disagree, if we are believers. I just really cannot continue to treat anyone who insists on pursuing false teaching like a brother (Titus 3:10; Romans 16:17), and because breaking fellowship is not by any means a light matter I wanted to warn you first. I would be more than happy to be at peace with you if you belong to the Lord Jesus. So, again, I do appreciate your willingness to discuss this. You don't owe it to me at all, but we ought to be at peace with one another if we are both of Christ.

To start off, everything that you've listed out is either wrong or problematic. I'll demonstrate, then you can pick any that you want us to discuss and we can discuss it. If you want us to discuss them all, we can do so either one at a time or in parallel.


Re: 1. We are already in God's kingdom on earth through the resurrection of Christ. Colossians 1:13

36 Jesus said, “My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jewish leaders. But now my kingdom is from another place.”
John 18:36 (NIV)

20 But our citizenship is in heaven. And we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ, 21 who, by the power that enables him to bring everything under his control, will transform our lowly bodies so that they will be like his glorious body.
Philippians 3:20-21 (NIV)

These are only two samples of a vast array of Scriptures that completely reject the idea that the Kingdom of God is here on Earth. The only sense in which the Kingdom of God is here is that its citizens are here.


Re: 2. This world has become the kingdom of Christ Revelation 11:15 and will last forever. Genesis 8:22

4 in whose case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving so that they might not see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.
2 Corinthians 4:4 (NASB)

19 We know that we are children of God, and that the whole world is under the control of the evil one.
1 John 5:19 (NIV)

10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare.
11 Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives 12 as you look forward to the day of God and speed its coming. That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat. 13 But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, where righteousness dwells.
2 Peter 3:10-13 (NIV)

11 Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. The earth and the heavens fled from his presence, and there was no place for them.
Revelation 20:11 (NIV)

1 Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,” for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea.
Revelation 21:1 (NIV)

Just a sampling of Scriptures again that show that you might not have understood the passages you posted.


Re: 3. Judgement is immediately after we die. Hebrews 9:27

What happened to Lazarus the brother of Mary and Martha? Wasn't he judged after he died? After being raised from the dead, what happened to that judgment? What about all those people who we were raised from the dead by various prophets and the Lord Jesus? Were they not judged? If they were, why were they brought back to the earth? If they weren't, why weren't they?

Then also, there are these Scriptures:

12 “Look, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to each person according to what they have done.
Revelation 22:12 (NIV)

11 Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. The earth and the heavens fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done. 14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. 15 Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.
Revelation 20:11-15 (NIV)

17 For it is time for judgment to begin with God’s household; and if it begins with us, what will the outcome be for those who do not obey the gospel of God?
1 Peter 4:17 (NIV)

And they are not the only ones. The Bible teaches that the Lord will judge the Church at His Coming, then He will judge Millennial believers at the end of the Millennium and the unbelievers after them.


Re: 4. There is instant resurrection of Christians immediately after their death 1 Corinthians 15:35-57

16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.
1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 (NIV)


Suffice to say that I rarely see anything biblically correct in your writings here. So, these four are as good a starting point as any, if you actually want to work through them with me.

MaxInDHouse:


Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
They will first of all go to heaven, sing hallelujah and later come back to live on earth!

Funny thing is that you act like a bouncer on threads started by fellow JWs, but then you troll threads made by non-JWs. I really wonder if you don't know what hypocrisy means.

DappaD:


Abi na field trip? Because me I'm not understanding.
Come and learn the truth from Jehovah's Witnesses—they said no—now look at all of them are just confused.

I'm pretty sure that JWs don't know what the Truth is. You refuse to admit what it is even when it kicks you in the face. At least, that has been my experience with you lot.

Ihedinobi3:


I'm pretty sure that JWs don't know what the Truth is. You refuse to admit what it is even when it kicks you in the face. At least, that has been my experience with you lot.

Please can your teachings be traced to any religious organization?
Or are you saying the things you're saying out of your own understanding?
There's no sitting on the fence here, fam.