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Re: Did Amotekun Kill 7 Kidnappers Or Innocent Fulani Herders In Oyo? by Nobody: 8:06am On Jan 11, 2021
PreyingMantis:
70 million what? There are no more than 15 million Fulanis in Nigeria. The expansionist tendency of the Fulani would be their greatest undoing. They're unwittingly playing into the hands of their host communities. When shit hits the fan (which will happen sooner than later) it will be very easy to encircle them and finish off from there.

Like wtf is Fulani village in the heart of Yorubaland I don't get it

You're naive and your comment is not very bright. You seem to be under the impression that fighting a war or committing an act of genocide is like playing Clash of Clans. Sorry.
Re: Did Amotekun Kill 7 Kidnappers Or Innocent Fulani Herders In Oyo? by PreyingMantis(m): 8:13am On Jan 11, 2021
RisenPhoenix1:
Yes. Ranching would be the best option. Yet ranching requires a great deal of investment in land and infrastructure; and the elevated hatred for the herdsmen would not let any political appointee even propose such a scheme without being ridiculed. How do you want the ranches set up without land and fund allocations? By reciting magic words?
The damned North accounts for 60% of Nigeria's land mass. What exactly is wrong with setting up ranches and your RUGA in Northern Nigeria with it's readily available expanse of land? What is the obsession with grazing your cows and setting up your RUGA in the South? Why is it not adding up?
Re: Did Amotekun Kill 7 Kidnappers Or Innocent Fulani Herders In Oyo? by PreyingMantis(m): 8:15am On Jan 11, 2021
RisenPhoenix1:
You're naive and your comment is not very bright. You seem to be under the impression that fighting a war or committing an act of genocide is like playing Clash of Clans. Sorry.
Fulanis are inviting genocide on themselves and it is what it is. How the fvck do you have a Fulani village in the heart of Yorubaland? The same thing you guys are attempting to do in Ebonyi State. You invade people's farmlands and next you start building your little huts. Before you know it someone is saying Fulani village. Like wtf!

That's illegal occupation and expansionism and it is bound to meet with very stiff resistance in the South. The fact you succeeded in the Middle-Belt doesn't mean you'll succeed in the South.
Re: Did Amotekun Kill 7 Kidnappers Or Innocent Fulani Herders In Oyo? by PreyingMantis(m): 8:33am On Jan 11, 2021
GidiCars:



We don't discriminate in the SW, we might take Jabs at each other sometimes, but it's nothing serious. When you get to the east, or North or wherever you're from, you can go contest Anambra supremacy, Enugu supremacy amongst yourselves.


Your brothers in the east are already denying being Igbo and claiming to be YORUBA.
When did the foolish Fulani terrorist you're addressing become Igbo? How the hell do you want to bring in Igbo into this conversation?
Re: Did Amotekun Kill 7 Kidnappers Or Innocent Fulani Herders In Oyo? by Nobody: 8:42am On Jan 11, 2021
PreyingMantis:
Fulanis are inviting genocide on themselves and it is what it is. How the fvck do you have a Fulani village in the heart of Yorubaland? The same thing you guys are attempting to do in Ebonyi State. You invade people's farmlands and next you start building your little huts. Before you know it someone is saying Fulani village. Like wtf!

That's illegal occupation and expansionism and it is bound to meet with very stiff resistance in the South. The fact you succeeded in the Middle-Belt doesn't mean you'll succeed in the South.

First of all, I am not Fulani so your hatred is misdirected. Secondly, there is no justification for genocide. Thirdly, most of these settlements start when locals invite them to herd cattle for them. They then bring in their relatives and the settlement expands. You should know that no land in Nigeria is ownerless. If they are there, it is often with the consent of the owners. How otherwise did the owners not see them building there? Your assumption of 'invasion and occupation' is fallacious and false. Fourth, there are people of every tribe spread out all over Nigeria. If everyone was to treat people of other tribes settled on their territory as invaders and occupiers, a lot more than 70 million will suffer the consequences, and most of them may not even be Fulani.

And your genocide call is criminal and distasteful.
Re: Did Amotekun Kill 7 Kidnappers Or Innocent Fulani Herders In Oyo? by Nobody: 8:45am On Jan 11, 2021
PreyingMantis:
The damned North accounts for 60% of Nigeria's land mass. What exactly is wrong with setting up ranches and your RUGA in Northern Nigeria with it's readily available expanse of land? What is the obsession with grazing your cows and setting up your RUGA in the South? Why is it not adding up?

Rainfall. Vegetation. Access to markets. Nomadic herders migrate with the rains. Migrations also sometimes follow the markets (which is why Igbos tend to migrate to cities like Lagos, Ibadan and Kano where they are a minority ethnicity). Rightly, no one refers to the latter as an invasion nor calls for a genocide; despite the fact that many of them do engage in all kinds of crimes; and no responsible person with any intelligence should.

But I am not your geography or economics teacher. Maybe you should have paid more attention to your teachers in secondary school.
Re: Did Amotekun Kill 7 Kidnappers Or Innocent Fulani Herders In Oyo? by PreyingMantis(m): 8:56am On Jan 11, 2021
RisenPhoenix1:

Rainfall. Vegetation. Access to markets. Nomadic herders migrate with the rains. Migrations also sometimes follow the markets (which is why Igbos tend to migrate to cities like Lagos, Ibadan and Kano where they are a minority ethnicity). Rightly, no one refers to the latter as an invasion nor calls for a genocide; despite the fact that many of them do engage in all kinds of crimes; and no responsible person with any intelligence should.

But I am not your geography or economics teacher. Maybe you should have paid more attention to your teachers in secondary school.
Rainfall, vegetation... Yet the North claims to be producing food. Where are you people producing the food? Inside desert If you can produce food in the North all year round, what is difficult in producing grass same way and rearing your cattle in the North.

What is wrong in rearing your cattle in the North and transporting them to the Southern markets for sale? Why do you have to create Fulani encampments on people's forests in order to do what you can easily do in the North and nobody would raise an eyebrow

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Re: Did Amotekun Kill 7 Kidnappers Or Innocent Fulani Herders In Oyo? by Nobody: 9:19am On Jan 11, 2021
PreyingMantis:
Rainfall, vegetation... Yet the North claims to be producing food. Where are you people producing the food? Inside desert If you can produce food in the North all year round, what is difficult in producing grass same way and rearing your cattle in the North.

What is wrong in rearing your cattle in the North and transporting them to the Southern markets for sale? Why do you have to create Fulani encampments on people's forests in order to do what you can easily do in the North and nobody would raise an eyebrow

I have told you that I neither rear cattle nor am I a Fulani. So stop referring to me in the first person if you want answers.

Different crops require different amounts of rainfall. Cattle require copious amounts of vegetation for feed.

Transportation costs are very high. Most of the livestock industry transfers these herds on the hoof; hence the need for stops on the way; which you refer to as 'Fulani encampments'. Most of these encampments are originally kick started by indigenes with cattle herds which they employ Fulani herdsmen to rear for them. Some were veterinary inspection units by now defunct rail lines, where they were required to bring their cattle for inspection.

Producing grass and ranching in the north is very much an ideal solution. However, it would require vast amounts of spending on irrigation and infrastructure to maintain the millions of heads of livestock required for the Nigerian market. I can well imagine the wailing and gnashing of teeth; from your noble self included; that will happen if the government should allocate funds of that nature to such a project, that will exclusively benefit the Fulani herdsmen.

Okay. I think I have explained enough. Perhaps a little bit of self study on the actual requirements for ranching the amount of livestock existing in Nigeria, as well as a little light reading in between on the short and long term effects of genocide and civil wars on countries that had to experience them, will enlighten you a bit. My premise remains the same...criminals should be prosecuted, regardless of tribe or race, but racial, ethnic, or religious profiling must not be entrenched in society; towards any group. No race, ethnicity or religion has a monopoly on crime. All these groups have members who are criminals.
Re: Did Amotekun Kill 7 Kidnappers Or Innocent Fulani Herders In Oyo? by PreyingMantis(m): 9:22am On Jan 11, 2021
RisenPhoenix1:


First of all, I am not Fulani so your hatred is misdirected. Secondly, there is no justification for genocide. Thirdly, most of these settlements start when locals invite them to herd cattle for them. They then bring in their relatives and the settlement expands. You should know that no land in Nigeria is ownerless. If they are there, it is often with the consent of the owners. How otherwise did the owners not see them building there? Your assumption of 'invasion and occupation' is fallacious and false. Fourth, there are people of every tribe spread out all over Nigeria. If everyone was to treat people of other tribes settled on their territory as invaders and occupiers, a lot more than 70 million will suffer the consequences, and most of them may not even be Fulani.

And your genocide call is criminal and distasteful.
You're not Fulani yet you're a Fulani sympathizer and apologist. If it quacks like a duck, it definitely must be a duck... If it crows like a cock, it is a cock.

It is widely known that Fulanis are notorious for going deep into the forests to set up their encampments and from their start expanding outwards. In less than 50 years, they start claiming and addressing these illegal camps as Fulani villages.

We saw the same thing play out in Ebonyi and the ESN evicted them not long ago. You don't come and set up illegal camps on people's lands and expect them not to evict you.

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Re: Did Amotekun Kill 7 Kidnappers Or Innocent Fulani Herders In Oyo? by nogragra: 9:26am On Jan 11, 2021
Youngmaster0:


http://saharareporters.com/2021/01/10/did-amotekun-kill-7-kidnappers-or-innocent-fulani-herders-oyo-depends-who-you-ask
What crap topic is these? Can one really call any beligerent fulani innocent at all. These uncivilised vagabonds or should I say Babarians are never known for peace in anyclime they may reside albeit that they are surjourners.
Re: Did Amotekun Kill 7 Kidnappers Or Innocent Fulani Herders In Oyo? by Nobody: 9:40am On Jan 11, 2021
PreyingMantis:
You're not Fulani yet you're a Fulani sympathizer and apologist. If it quacks like a duck, it definitely must be a duck... If it crows like a cock, it is a cock.

It is widely known that Fulanis are notorious for going deep into the forests to set up their encampments and from their start expanding outwards. In less than 50 years, they start claiming and addressing these illegal camps as Fulani villages.

We saw the same thing play out in Ebonyi and the ESN evicted them not long ago. You don't come and set up illegal camps on people's lands and expect them not to evict you.

I am a sympathiser of all calls to reasonable humanity, non violence and cooperation. If innocent Igbos are profiled and discriminated against purely on the basis of their ethnicity, I am equally opposed to it, even if I then become an 'Igbo sympathiser'. Labels do not disturb me and I have no tribal loyalties where the truth is concerned. The world is too small for further subdivisions.

Your so-called wide knowledge is probably beer parlour talk. And I agree that any camps illegally set up on private property are liable to dismantlement and their inhabitants evicted if the owners of the land so wish. If that was your premise from the beginning we would not have had this unproductive discussion. However, your calls to ethnic profiling and even genocide are what I was opposed to, and what I still find to be disgustingly immature.
Re: Did Amotekun Kill 7 Kidnappers Or Innocent Fulani Herders In Oyo? by PreyingMantis(m): 9:53am On Jan 11, 2021
RisenPhoenix1:
Producing grass and ranching in the north is very much an ideal solution. However, it would require vast amounts of spending on irrigation and infrastructure to maintain the millions of heads of livestock required for the Nigerian market. I can well imagine the wailing and gnashing of teeth; from your noble self included; that will happen if the government should allocate funds of that nature to such a project, that will exclusively benefit the Fulani herdsmen.
As bright and as good-intentioned as you sound, your comments appear to mirror the wide gulf between the thinking of an average Southerner and a Northerner. The bane of Nigeria has always been this ENTITLEMENT MENTALITY of the average Northerner believing that it is a divine assignment of the government to fund and support every venture they go into. Thousands of Southerners have established multi-million/billion dollar business ventures without waiting for government support. Cattle rearing is private business and like all private ventures should be funded privately. Why must the government provide the funds for your private businesses? Any serious business person at worst should be able to utilize the facilities provided by the Bank of Industry and Bank of Agriculture. That's the best the government can do.

Provision of infrastructure like a functional railway is the responsibility of the government and that's what you should be agitating for. That's where government is expected to come in.

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Re: Did Amotekun Kill 7 Kidnappers Or Innocent Fulani Herders In Oyo? by Nobody: 10:24am On Jan 11, 2021
PreyingMantis:
As bright and as good-intentioned as you sound, your comments appear to mirror the wide gulf between the thinking of an average Southerner and a Northerner. The bane of Nigeria has always been this ENTITLEMENT MENTALITY of the average Northerner believing that it is a divine assignment of the government to fund and support every venture they go into. Thousands of Southerners have established multi-million/billion dollar business ventures without waiting for government support. Cattle rearing is private business and like all private ventures should be funded privately. Why must the government provide the funds for your private businesses? Any serious business person at worst should be able to utilize the facilities provided by the Bank of Industry and Bank of Agriculture. That's the best the government can do.

Provision of infrastructure like a functional railway is the responsibility of the government and that's what you should be agitating for. That's where government is expected to come in.


Thousands of Northerners have also established multimillion dollar multinational corporations as well, so your assertion of 'Northerner entitlement' is inaccurate. But I don't think you understand the magnitude of the ranching project. It is far beyond what any private individuals can handle alone. Plus most cattle herders are uneducated and would not know what to do with the Bank of Industry nor will such a project ever be considered as creditworthy by any financial institution; because there is no corporate body that they can sue for the loans when due.

Food production is also absolutely of national importance. Providing infrastructure for food production and maintaining the safety of indigenous farmers is as much in the national interest as building railways to maintain the lines of supply. The additional tax paid on registered ranches would also provide an additional source of income for the government, and these ranches would likely pay back their initial investment in quick time. Livestock production is private business worldwide, yet this does not prevent governments who wish to ensure food security; from funding and subsidizing infrastructure for their respective livestock industries.
Re: Did Amotekun Kill 7 Kidnappers Or Innocent Fulani Herders In Oyo? by DOCU(m): 1:23pm On Jan 11, 2021
INNOCENT HERDSMEN...a powerful oxymoron for literature class shaaaa
Re: Did Amotekun Kill 7 Kidnappers Or Innocent Fulani Herders In Oyo? by hansomb: 1:49pm On Jan 11, 2021
Agboriotejoye:

The Jesus of your village ba?
Jesus Christ was known as a carpenter.
Isaiah 40:11
Verse Concepts
Like a shepherd He will tend His flock,
In His arm He will gather the lambs
And carry them in His bosom;
He will gently lead the nursing ewes.
Go and study Bible very well. Noah is the carpenter not Jesus.
Re: Did Amotekun Kill 7 Kidnappers Or Innocent Fulani Herders In Oyo? by hansomb: 1:50pm On Jan 11, 2021
Auxtin85:


He wasn’t Fulani
And neither a Yoruba.
Re: Did Amotekun Kill 7 Kidnappers Or Innocent Fulani Herders In Oyo? by hansomb: 1:52pm On Jan 11, 2021
PapalsBull:
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Do the Igbos in sabo gari go about killing people
On the other hand, Fulani jihadist go about maiming and raping and occupying people's land.
There criminal elements in every society. Don't generalise.
Re: Did Amotekun Kill 7 Kidnappers Or Innocent Fulani Herders In Oyo? by Agboriotejoye(m): 3:30pm On Jan 11, 2021
hansomb:

Isaiah 40:11
Verse Concepts
Like a shepherd He will tend His flock,
In His arm He will gather the lambs
And carry them in His bosom;
He will gently lead the nursing ewes.
Go and study Bible very well. Noah is the carpenter not Jesus.

Seems you can't recognize a metaphor when you see one. You can see the verse you quoted starts with "Like". I had feared you will quote John 10:11 where Jesus called himself the Good Shepherd. I thank God you understand he was making a similitude of his relationship with his disciples to that of a shepherd and the sheep and not referring to himself as a shepherd literally.

Here's Mark 6:3 Isn't this the carpenter? Isn't this Mary's son and the brother of James, Joseph, Judas and Simon? Aren't his sisters here with us?" And they took offense at him.
Here, it's the people of his hometown referring to him as a carpenter. In those days, it was common for children, especially the first son to take their father's trade. Look at Mark 6:1-2 for further info

Jesus left there and went to his hometown, accompanied by his disciples. When the Sabbath came, he began to teach in the synagogue, and many who heard him were amazed. "Where did this man get these things?" they asked. "What's this wisdom that has been given him? What are these remarkable miracles he is performing
Re: Did Amotekun Kill 7 Kidnappers Or Innocent Fulani Herders In Oyo? by Organs(m): 3:44pm On Jan 11, 2021
obama30:


Only criminals live in bush, this is 21 century, if you can't change remain in your village don't travel with hope your host community will accept your backwardness

Again, you are wrong and stereotyping sir. How can you say only criminals live in the bush All over the world there are folks that wants to be close to nature and live in bushes, forests etc. Now the cow meat you eat is from those same nomadic fulani herdsmen. Yes, i agree we need to educate them, teach them and find better ways of doing what they do, maybe mechanized animal husbandry, etc however, at this point we have not, we still have people going to farms with hoes and cutlasses, we still have those rearing animals by the old traditional ways of herding them to wherever you can find grass. Lets go after criminals, let's capture criminals and bring them to justice and not go after people that we all know has been doing the same thing for 100 of years.
Re: Did Amotekun Kill 7 Kidnappers Or Innocent Fulani Herders In Oyo? by GMBuhari: 7:38pm On Jan 11, 2021
Supan:



Stop crying, if you want to pick the guns of the dead Fulani terrorist and continue their atrocities. You are free!

Just know that, Amotekun will send you to hell before night fall tomorrow.

Shame on you and your generation

Until it touches home then you realize what stupidity you've been living
Re: Did Amotekun Kill 7 Kidnappers Or Innocent Fulani Herders In Oyo? by AnanseK(m): 9:17pm On Jan 11, 2021
Firstpage:


The army is already a tribal army dominated by northerners. That’s why they kill in Lekky and kill ipob in aba.

Amotekun also have rules of engagement. If your terrorist brothers shoot at Amotekun they will be killed like the animals they are.

Reason like a human being next time you quote me.

Are you that ignorant? you don’t know how Military recruitment is carried out in your country?
Re: Did Amotekun Kill 7 Kidnappers Or Innocent Fulani Herders In Oyo? by BSdetector: 3:29am On Jan 12, 2021
RisenPhoenix1:
As usual, everything becomes tribal. And the whole thing has been incited by the unscrupulous attention seeking media, and enhanced by my ever shallow and ever gullible fellow Nigerians.

Deliberate targeting of an ethnic group is a hate crime; which is why the media doesn't (and shouldn't) accuse all Igbos of being drug dealers, or all Yorubas of being ritual killers for example; nor does it keep associating these tribes with these respective crimes in print. The Fulani herdsmen unable to come online to defend themselves, or because they do not control the media, is no excuse to target their entire group incessantly because of the alleged actions of some. When you incite hatred, you kill the innocent along with the guilty. Everybody in this case is complicit, even if you only stayed home and retweeted 'Fulani herdsman' news.

Criminality is criminality. If a crime is committed, secure the criminal and charge him to court without accusing his entire tribe of committing the same crime. Even a suspect is presumed innocent until proven guilty, how much more an entire ethnic group? This is how Rwanda's disaster started...with hate speech being broadcast on the media; leading to a third of the mostly innocent population being massacred. In Nigeria, that would mean 70million people.

If you think it's ok to keep up this tribal idiocy and risk the lives of so many people, then continue.

Take your bullshit talk to bornu or kebbi, criminality exists in all tribes but the fulani/fulebe have a more deadly and violent reputation in West Africa predating the British, I've had violent encounters with them and they believe they have an exclusive license for violence, I've gone through some of your posts and it's certain that you're either a northern animal who is trying to justify the actions of his criminal kinsmen or some halfwit southern apologist, news flash: the south west will not become another North East, Oyo state will not become another Benue. If your kinsmen want to herd cows or do business let them buy land and quit moving cows around like 8th century niggs. The farmers aren't getting special treatment so why should herders or cow owners impose themselves and bring crime and criminality with them. Fvck off with your stupid talking points and ideological cum.
Re: Did Amotekun Kill 7 Kidnappers Or Innocent Fulani Herders In Oyo? by Nobody: 6:16am On Jan 12, 2021
BSdetector:

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Take your bullshit talk to bornu or kebbi, criminality exists in all tribes but the fulani/fulebe have a more deadly and violent reputation in West Africa predating the British, I've had violent encounters with them and they believe they have an exclusive license for violence, I've gone through some of your posts and it's certain that you're either a northern animal who is trying to justify the actions of his criminal kinsmen or some halfwit southern apologist, news flash: the south west will not become another North East, Oyo state will not become another Benue. If your kinsmen want to herd cows or do business let them buy land and quit moving cows around like 8th century niggs. The farmers aren't getting special treatment so why should herders or cow owners impose themselves and bring crime and criminality with them. Fvck off with your stupid talking points and ideological cum[/s].

Not worth the time it takes to type a refutation. From a few of your posts, it seems you've taken tribal bashing as a calling. I guess everyone needs a passion in life.
Re: Did Amotekun Kill 7 Kidnappers Or Innocent Fulani Herders In Oyo? by Firstpage: 8:54am On Jan 12, 2021
AnanseK:


Are you that ignorant? you don’t know how Military recruitment is carried out in your country?

You can bury your head in the sand. The military is dominated by northerners. That’s why an ordinary scavenger could mobilize military to beat up a security man in ogun. That’s why military could arrest a farmer for spraying pesticides in his farm killing cows grazing on it. What concerns a normal military with such pettiness if not tribal affiliations?
Re: Did Amotekun Kill 7 Kidnappers Or Innocent Fulani Herders In Oyo? by BSdetector: 10:41am On Jan 12, 2021
RisenPhoenix1:


Not worth the time it takes to type a refutation. From a few of your posts, it seems you've taken tribal bashing as a calling. I guess everyone needs a passion in life.

Fvck off
Re: Did Amotekun Kill 7 Kidnappers Or Innocent Fulani Herders In Oyo? by Nobody: 12:23pm On Jan 12, 2021
BSdetector:


Fvck off

Typical.
Re: Did Amotekun Kill 7 Kidnappers Or Innocent Fulani Herders In Oyo? by AnanseK(m): 6:12pm On Jan 12, 2021
Firstpage:


You can bury your head in the sand. The military is dominated by northerners. That’s why an ordinary scavenger could mobilize military to beat up a security man in ogun. That’s why military could arrest a farmer for spraying pesticides in his farm killing cows grazing on it. What concerns a normal military with such pettiness if not tribal affiliations?

Everyone knows the violence of soldiers against civilians and it is all over the country. But you want to make everything look tribe related. When Navy Chief Olarewaju Odunlami shot and killed and Okada Operator in Lagos for brushing his car, Where were you? Is Felix Olarewaju Odunlami a hausaman? Hatred is a disease, you need cure.
Re: Did Amotekun Kill 7 Kidnappers Or Innocent Fulani Herders In Oyo? by obama30: 1:58am On Jan 13, 2021
Organs:


Again, you are wrong and stereotyping sir. How can you say only criminals live in the bush All over the world there are folks that wants to be close to nature and live in bushes, forests etc. Now the cow meat you eat is from those same nomadic fulani herdsmen. Yes, i agree we need to educate them, teach them and find better ways of doing what they do, maybe mechanized animal husbandry, etc however, at this point we have not, we still have people going to farms with hoes and cutlasses, we still have those rearing animals by the old traditional ways of herding them to wherever you can find grass. Lets go after criminals, let's capture criminals and bring them to justice and not go after people that we all know has been doing the same thing for 100 of years.

I don't argue neither do I have time to force an evil minded adult to accept the truth.

You said all over the world people live in bush because they feel to be closer to nature. Can you compare this your ideaology with reality of fulani living in a bush where the owners of the land see one living at bush as criminals because they are indeed criminal.

Can you name of those places in the world people lived in the bush? It the bush where government designs for tourist? Or a place unindetify group occupy during night hour and start terrorizing the land owner's? How can you compare the two? You sound as a ciminal and soon you will be gun down if you refuse to change, this argument can't help you.

You mentioned criminals ones. Who is a criminal according to constitution? Any unlawful entry is a criminals act, destroying others source of income is criminal act, and so on.

Why should a fulani man takes his business to a region that doesn't have and practice the same system with them? Why should you travel to live in a bush at region where normal people live a house.

As is their customs to live in bush, they have to restrict living in the bush at North because southners live in house. Southners don't have bush instead a farm land. Southners practice shifting farming, that's reason a farm land can stay for 5 years before cultivation. By that time there's natural Mannure in the land, so why should a fulani grab someone farm land and hoping to claim it?

For your information I stop eating cow meet for over 10 years now. And even if I need to eat cow meet I go for bull which is available at mostly entire old Eastern state. I don't by any thing produce by a northern, I don't even care if they petronize mine or not.

Anyone living in bush or someone farm land is a criminal and shall be treat as such. They should go and rent house as others Nigerians do. And if the environment doesn't allow open grazing they should relocate to where it's allow.

Sharia police forbid Nigerians from selling alcoholic drinks at the north, and alcoholic seller's relocate to where it's allow, despite that north get share of tax generates from alcoholic seller's from other region, is it not Hippocrates?

There's cow in South, southners didn't begin their life by eating cow meet from North.

Criminals in the name of mother headers is not allowed. Anyone found living in the bush is a criminal and shall be kill if refuse arrest
Re: Did Amotekun Kill 7 Kidnappers Or Innocent Fulani Herders In Oyo? by Nobody: 6:28am On Jan 13, 2021
Reference:
This is why we say NO to LYNCHINGS and EXTRA JUDICIAL KILLINGS. Without the teuth and facts thete cannot be justice and without justice there cannot be trust and social stability.

Nigeria went through a civil war as a result of exactly these kinds of actions. And these are some of the reasons why naysayers to restructuring are quick to pooh-pooh such a noble concept.

If Amotekun cannot put a lid on crime without wanton violence and a trail of bodies it cannot claim to be a law enforcement outfit but a militant vigilante.

I remember I did warn about the lack of proper, exhaustive and indepth consultarion for the development of a solid framework that will be acceptable to the citizens of this country and bring stability to the region.

I warned that this organisation should be people centric, citizen sponsored and driven, not a government initiative and certainly not a political tool or plaything.
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Jusy look at what is has already become even in its infancy....

Yet another proof that the black man, probably the African and certainly the Nigerian just does not have the nature and comportment, what it fundamentally takes to organise anything worthwhile.

What are you even on about, all the farmers that have been slaughtered, all the people kidnapped and divested of their life savings by these Fulas (some even in debt as a result of ransom payment) was their justice, trust and social stability embedded in such crimes & killings?

This is Nigeria being torn apart before our very eyes and it's a gradual process. Every ethnic militia will eventually morph into an army, all that is required now is just that one mishandled incident which will provide the spark to the keg of dry gunpowder Nigeria is sitting on...

Continue blowing big grammar from your high horse you
Re: Did Amotekun Kill 7 Kidnappers Or Innocent Fulani Herders In Oyo? by Organs(m): 4:24pm On Jan 13, 2021
obama30:


I don't argue neither do I have time to force an evil minded adult to accept the truth.

You said all over the world people live in bush because they feel to be closer to nature. Can you compare this your ideaology with reality of fulani living in a bush where the owners of the land see one living at bush as criminals because they are indeed criminal.

Can you name of those places in the world people lived in the bush? It the bush where government designs for tourist? Or a place unindetify group occupy during night hour and start terrorizing the land owner's? How can you compare the two? You sound as a ciminal and soon you will be gun down if you refuse to change, this argument can't help you.

You mentioned criminals ones. Who is a criminal according to constitution? Any unlawful entry is a criminals act, destroying others source of income is criminal act, and so on.

Why should a fulani man takes his business to a region that doesn't have and practice the same system with them? Why should you travel to live in a bush at region where normal people live a house.

As is their customs to live in bush, they have to restrict living in the bush at North because southners live in house. Southners don't have bush instead a farm land. Southners practice shifting farming, that's reason a farm land can stay for 5 years before cultivation. By that time there's natural Mannure in the land, so why should a fulani grab someone farm land and hoping to claim it?

For your information I stop eating cow meet for over 10 years now. And even if I need to eat cow meet I go for bull which is available at mostly entire old Eastern state. I don't by any thing produce by a northern, I don't even care if they petronize mine or not.

Anyone living in bush or someone farm land is a criminal and shall be treat as such. They should go and rent house as others Nigerians do. And if the environment doesn't allow open grazing they should relocate to where it's allow.

Sharia police forbid Nigerians from selling alcoholic drinks at the north, and alcoholic seller's relocate to where it's allow, despite that north get share of tax generates from alcoholic seller's from other region, is it not Hippocrates?

There's cow in South, southners didn't begin their life by eating cow meet from North.

Criminals in the name of mother headers is not allowed. Anyone found living in the bush is a criminal and shall be kill if refuse arrest

You sound so ignorant and full of hate and insults. I will reply you briefly for two reasons. 1. You have a monica from 2015, that shows you are responsible enough to be consistent and 2. You are a misguided and angry Nigerian and maybe you might learn and educate others.
Now, how would you feel if i say all igbos importing things into Nigeria are all smugglers and should all be killed for smuggling and bringing fake goods, fake drugs, substandard merchandise etc into Nigeria, OR, say all igbos owning "chemists" are criminals and fake drug sellers and they should all be arrested FYI,
Transhumance is a type of pastoralism or nomadism, a seasonal movement of livestock between fixed summer and winter pastures. In montane regions (vertical transhumance), it implies movement between higher pastures in summer and lower valleys in winter. Herders have a permanent home, typically in valleys. Generally only the herds travel, with a certain number of people necessary to tend them, while the main population stays at the base. In contrast, horizontal transhumance is more susceptible to being disrupted by climatic, economic, or political change.

Traditional or fixed transhumance has occurred throughout the inhabited world, particularly Europe and western Asia. It is often important to pastoralist societies, as the dairy products of transhumance flocks and herds (milk, butter, yogurt and cheese) may form much of the diet of such populations. In many languages there are words for the higher summer pastures, and frequently these words have been used as place names: e.g. hafod in Wales and shieling in Scotland.


The above is an excerpt from wikipedia. Learn about "Transhumance". Also, in Nigeria there are "Cattle routes" that has been marked and dedicated for the movement of cattle all over Nigeria. People have built houses on those lands, roads etc. !0 years ago, 15 years ago, People live side by side with fulani herders and there were no problems. If a fulani should encroach on a land in Imo state, the farmer will report to the local obi and the fulani man will be identified and made to pay ransom to the farm owner. We have fulanis that has lived in Okigwe for 100 of years. Do you know and understand that Cultures change, we all become dynamic and the society has to grow. Ranching is a very good and viable option that we need top embrace and invest in. The problem we have is lack of rule of law, lack of law and order and lack of law enforcement. That is why, you sound angry, aggrieved and looking at all fulanis as "criminals", that in itself is wrong, however, i don't know your experience or how a criminal fulani man has offended you or your family or your neighbourhood in the past for you to have those notions. However, that will not solve our problem. We have criminals all over we need to identify them and bring them to justice. By the way, its Easterners that even travel the most and settle in other peoples lands doing business. Tell me if the host community is unwelcoming to them, how will they prosper and flourish? Hate, stereotyping and thinking your culture, way of life is superior to that of others is stupid and myopic. It does not solve problems.
Re: Did Amotekun Kill 7 Kidnappers Or Innocent Fulani Herders In Oyo? by obama30: 9:29pm On Jan 13, 2021
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You sound so ignorant and full of hate and insults. I will reply you briefly for two reasons. 1. You have a monica from 2015, that shows you are responsible enough to be consistent and 2. You are a misguided and angry Nigerian and maybe you might learn and educate others.
Now, how would you feel if i say all igbos importing things into Nigeria are all smugglers and should all be killed for smuggling and bringing fake goods, fake drugs, substandard merchandise etc into Nigeria, OR, say all igbos owning "chemists" are criminals and fake drug sellers and they should all be arrested FYI,
Transhumance is a type of pastoralism or nomadism, a seasonal movement of livestock between fixed summer and winter pastures. In montane regions (vertical transhumance), it implies movement between higher pastures in summer and lower valleys in winter. Herders have a permanent home, typically in valleys. Generally only the herds travel, with a certain number of people necessary to tend them, while the main population stays at the base. In contrast, horizontal transhumance is more susceptible to being disrupted by climatic, economic, or political change.

Traditional or fixed transhumance has occurred throughout the inhabited world, particularly Europe and western Asia. It is often important to pastoralist societies, as the dairy products of transhumance flocks and herds (milk, butter, yogurt and cheese) may form much of the diet of such populations. In many languages there are words for the higher summer pastures, and frequently these words have been used as place names: e.g. hafod in Wales and shieling in Scotland.


The above is an excerpt from wikipedia. Learn about "Transhumance". Also, in Nigeria there are "Cattle routes" that has been marked and dedicated for the movement of cattle all over Nigeria. People have built houses on those lands, roads etc. !0 years ago, 15 years ago, People live side by side with fulani herders and there were no problems. If a fulani should encroach on a land in Imo state, the farmer will report to the local obi and the fulani man will be identified and made to pay ransom to the farm owner. We have fulanis that has lived in Okigwe for 100 of years. Do you know and understand that Cultures change, we all become dynamic and the society has to grow. Ranching is a very good and viable option that we need top embrace and invest in. The problem we have is lack of rule of law, lack of law and order and lack of law enforcement. That is why, you sound angry, aggrieved and looking at all fulanis as "criminals", that in itself is wrong, however, i don't know your experience or how a criminal fulani man has offended you or your family or your neighbourhood in the past for you to have those notions. However, that will not solve our problem. We have criminals all over we need to identify them and bring them to justice. By the way, its Easterners that even travel the most and settle in other peoples lands doing business. Tell me if the host community is unwelcoming to them, how will they prosper and flourish? Hate, stereotyping and thinking your culture, way of life is superior to that of others is stupid and myopic. It does not solve problems.

You're destiny to be a criminal but in this century you fail. All the places you mentioned uses ranch.

Comparing fulanis criminality with gbo business men that live with humans, rent shop, import genuine product, pay Tax and contribute in development of his resident environment, is as comparing living in Nigeria and South Africa because the two nations is in Africa.

Did Igbo's occupied someone building or they rent it? Did they live in bush and come out to destroy the host community investment?

If Igbo's are in fake businesses why did nigeria continue to refuse Biafra independent?

Why did nigeria continue shouting that they need Igbo's when Igbo's don't need Nigeria?

Is doing business an Igbo's ancestors work?

Have you forgotten that every Africans is a farmer?

Why did you fulani refuse to adopt civilization as others Africans?

Who do you think in this century will live his land for you because you still believe to live in 17 century?

Do you think there's amount of argument that can make Nigerians, mostly southerners to give up their farm land for your cattle?

Do you think this nation will continue the way it is?

When Nigeria become a living place do you think anyone in this century will abide with ideaology of cattle roaming around?

Do you see two things that awaiting nigeria, reorganize, restructuring or divided?

Have you ever ask if cattle roaming around, criminality of fulanis in the name of headers will continue?

Igbo is light and you don't compare them with fulanis which is darkness. And no matter how darkness may look. Little light cause it to disappear.

Nigeria will be light again and every darkness will disappear.

Igbo's takes their business every where even in USA, where and in which develop country did fulanis take their roaming cattle business to? How many farm land or farmer did they kill in other countries and go free?

Why did fulanis cattle roaming criminals run away from Ghana? while Igbo business men in Ghana still there without chasing away by security men? They only face challenge of envy from Ghanian business courage, which is normal.

Why is that only Nigeria accuse Igbo men of selling fake product, Igbo's are doing business in over 160 countries.

Let me tell you reason nigeria label Igbo's as money ritualist and fake product dealers.

After civil war, Igbo's that has millions of pounds in account were given 20 pounds with intention to kill their business moral. But they forget that idea don't die easily.

After a decades, they bought up every property advertise for sell, they start moving abroad for better future, they compete with people that give them 20 pounds in everything money can afford.

Nigerians don't know the magic behind and they change mentalities of demoralizing Igbo's to slang's of money rituals and fake products.

Millions of Nigerians petronize this business daily and they never die, then ask yourself if jeolousy or envy is your problems.

But for fulanis to travel to other regions with intention of backwardness system of business cannot work. You can defend but you can't with, no sensible person if this century will see any future from your argument.

Accept that this is 20th century and have peace.
Re: Did Amotekun Kill 7 Kidnappers Or Innocent Fulani Herders In Oyo? by obama30: 9:44pm On Jan 13, 2021
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You sound so ignorant and full of hate and insults. I will reply you briefly for two reasons. 1. You have a monica from 2015, that shows you are responsible enough to be consistent and 2. You are a misguided and angry Nigerian and maybe you might learn and educate others.
Now, how would you feel if i say all igbos importing things into Nigeria are all smugglers and should all be killed for smuggling and bringing fake goods, fake drugs, substandard merchandise etc into Nigeria, OR, say all igbos owning "chemists" are criminals and fake drug sellers and they should all be arrested FYI,
Transhumance is a type of pastoralism or nomadism, a seasonal movement of livestock between fixed summer and winter pastures. In montane regions (vertical transhumance), it implies movement between higher pastures in summer and lower valleys in winter. Herders have a permanent home, typically in valleys. Generally only the herds travel, with a certain number of people necessary to tend them, while the main population stays at the base. In contrast, horizontal transhumance is more susceptible to being disrupted by climatic, economic, or political change.

Traditional or fixed transhumance has occurred throughout the inhabited world, particularly Europe and western Asia. It is often important to pastoralist societies, as the dairy products of transhumance flocks and herds (milk, butter, yogurt and cheese) may form much of the diet of such populations. In many languages there are words for the higher summer pastures, and frequently these words have been used as place names: e.g. hafod in Wales and shieling in Scotland.


The above is an excerpt from wikipedia. Learn about "Transhumance". Also, in Nigeria there are "Cattle routes" that has been marked and dedicated for the movement of cattle all over Nigeria. People have built houses on those lands, roads etc. !0 years ago, 15 years ago, People live side by side with fulani herders and there were no problems. If a fulani should encroach on a land in Imo state, the farmer will report to the local obi and the fulani man will be identified and made to pay ransom to the farm owner. We have fulanis that has lived in Okigwe for 100 of years. Do you know and understand that Cultures change, we all become dynamic and the society has to grow. Ranching is a very good and viable option that we need top embrace and invest in. The problem we have is lack of rule of law, lack of law and order and lack of law enforcement. That is why, you sound angry, aggrieved and looking at all fulanis as "criminals", that in itself is wrong, however, i don't know your experience or how a criminal fulani man has offended you or your family or your neighbourhood in the past for you to have those notions. However, that will not solve our problem. We have criminals all over we need to identify them and bring them to justice. By the way, its Easterners that even travel the most and settle in other peoples lands doing business. Tell me if the host community is unwelcoming to them, how will they prosper and flourish? Hate, stereotyping and thinking your culture, way of life is superior to that of others is stupid and myopic. It does not solve problems.

You should have said that fulanis are founders of okigwe, Living over 100 years is small.

When did two major bridge that connects middle West and north Central constructed? There's only 2 ways to access the east before third link was added.

Do you think northern cattle was recognize by easterners?

No fulani can claim lived in eastern Nigerian more than 65 years. And he cannot boost of contributing anything to host community except nuisances. Does living there for so long make him an Igbo man?

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