DappaD:


As for the highlighted, that’s a different thing altogether because we’ve only been talking about the etymology of God’s name.

Thank you for knocking this off. Read below what your fellow Jehovah witness wrote before I took him on it.

MaxInDHouse:
In that case i tender an apology, my only interest is to buttress the point my brother DappaD made on the importance of our God's name.

Please you can continue with your friends, JWs have what interests us in threads and since we don't see that here i suppose it's OK if we take our leave.

Thanks!

Lol. You see how a fellow Witness knocked out another. Your fellow witness brought out the importance of his name. And here you are knocking it out. Good in-house knockout. This is Mayweather at work. Thanks bro!

I don't get you Sir!

Are you saying DappaD undermines as in rule out the importance of the name of our God?

PeaceLoveJoy:

Thank you for knocking this off. Read below what your fellow Jehovah witness wrote before I took him on it.
Lol. You see how a fellow Witness knocked out another. Your fellow witness brought out the importance of his name. And here you are knocking it out. Good in-house knockout. This is Mayweather at work. Thanks bro!

PeaceLoveJoy:

Thank you for knocking this off. Read below what your fellow Jehovah witness wrote before I took him on it.
Lol. You see how a fellow Witness knocked out another. Your fellow witness brought out the importance of his name. And here you are knocking it out. Good in-house knockout. This is Mayweather at work. Thanks bro!

Quote me or him out of context that’s your cup of tea. The importance of God’s name entails knowing the real meaning that’s why so far we’ve been talking about the root words[etymology] of the Tetragrammaton which is hawah[“to become”]. Following that, then what would be considered next is why we should consider the name in the first place, why there’s much controversy about this name, how this name relates to salvation and most importantly, why the name has to be cleared[sanctified] off all the reproach heaped on it. So please stop quibbling over semantics and let’s focus on the main issue here. Apart from MaxInDHouse, there are still several Witnesses I can call and we will all still speak in agreement(1Corinthians 1:10) so what point are you trying to make?

MaxInDHouse:
I don't get you Sir!

Are you saying DappaD undermines as in rule out the importance of the name of our God?

The guy’s hypocrisy is actually stinking really bad. For someone who said he doesn’t bring up denomination into a discussion, look how far he let himself go.

MaxInDHouse:
I don't get you Sir!

Are you saying DappaD undermines as in rule out the importance of the name of our God?

Of course not. The importance of the name of God is valid and something every christian must know deeply. I cannot claim to know it a too. Still learning daily. Using your fellow Witness' words "a different thing altogether". I hope you get it. I cannot say anything further.

This is my point all the way. Let us know the direction of discussing before bringing in new matters to it. You wanted to bring in the importance of God's name. And this is not the subject. If I had allowed you, the whole issue wpuld have been messed up, and we wouldn't get to this point. This is why in the court of law, some evidences are not admissible. First, you must prove the evidences you want to use are related and qualified before proceeding with your argument. This is exactly where the "I too Know it all" above BassReeves got it wrong, and was asking me some totally unrelated useless questions. To add salt to the injury, he is beating his chest (like King Kong) that answering them is the KEY to explaining Trinity. I initially ignored him to not show his foo...lishness, but since he is eager and desperate to show he is st..upid, I have given him the opportunity to show it clearly. So, let us wait for his stupi...dity in full capacity as he elaborate on them. Let us wait and see him in his full garment of confusion. Let us see his full Field Mashall rank in the military of inconsistency.

PeaceLoveJoy:
Hmmm!

He shock you?

PeaceLoveJoy:
I will pardon you for your choice of words here, next time, you will get the level of dose you deserve.

For someone like you, I won't cut my words up in halves. I give them to you whole.

PeaceLoveJoy:
Anyway, you are the one saying I stand on a faulty foundation without proving it yet. Lol. So, you will need to first show you are on the solid foundation before accusing someone else.

I am steps ahead of you, as I already starting to begin showing when I shot those questions at you which to date you still refuse to give your replies to

PeaceLoveJoy:
Let's get to the real part.

You have three tasks here:
1. To show explicitly and convincingly that YHWH is where Trinity comes from. You will show this with solid evidences. You will make references here to back this up. We do not just want to hear your conclusion or believe, but you will prove this.
2. You will mention what God told Moses, and then, explain what he wants to use YHWH (Yahweh) for, to represent, and to serve as.
3. First look at the underlined sentence; further, look at the two statements above, then after, you will use them to disprove Trinity since you are not a trinitarian. And if otherwise, you will state your position. The basis here is to connect what you believe to approve or disapprove Trinity.

Trinity is real, there is nothing to prove or disprove trinity over. The evidence is around, look at our world, look at yourself. Aren't you three dimensional


1. What is PeaceLoveJoy?
2. Is PeaceLoveJoy your real name?
3. Why and what is the idea of choosing PeaceLoveJoy?
4. Your roll called variants in Genesis 2:4, Genesis 3:14, Judges 16:28, Genesis 15:2, 1 Kings 2:26 and Ezekiel 24:24, what does word intrinsically mean?
5. Who and what are you PeaceLoveJoy? Give your reply, starting the sentence with: I am ...
6. What is your real name? The reply to that can be the answer to, what is your first or last name maybe?

PeaceLoveJoy:
These were your questions:
1. What is PeaceLoveJoy?
A moniker

Good but it isnt your real name

PeaceLoveJoy:
2. Is PeaceLoveJoy your real name?
A moniker is not the real name of a person. This is 2021 and not olden days. The platform we have now is different and related in anyway to olden days. Everyone who uses forums like this knows what a moniker is, and knows it is not the real name of person behind it in many occassions. However, there are monikers which are real names, one can guess it is the real name of some. So, it depends.

I am sure you know that some posters use their real name instead of a moniker.

PeaceLoveJoy:
3. Why and what is the idea of choosing PeaceLoveJoy?
The idea of choosing it is cos it is a moniker, and I am allowed to choose anything. It is vague and does not have any substantial meaning to it. This is the truth and a general truth everyone knows about. I just add together Peace, Love and Joy. It is as simple as ABC

Whenever God re-names characters in the Bible, there is a why and whats the idea behind the renaming

PeaceLoveJoy:
4. Your roll called variants in Genesis 2:4, Genesis 3:14, Judges 16:28, Genesis 15:2, 1 Kings 2:26 and Ezekiel 24:24, what does word intrinsically mean?

These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,
Genesis 2:4 KJV
God made heaven and the earth. So? What is the connection here with Trinity?

And the Lord God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
Genesis 3:14 KJV
What has serpent, though art cursed and dust have to do with our discussion? Hellooooo! Excuse me!!!!

And when the people saw him, they praised their god: for they said, Our god hath delivered into our hands our enemy, and the destroyer of our country, which slew many of us.
Judges 16:24
You are beginning to irritate me more. What the he.ck is they praise their god, your god delievers your whatever into your enemy both have to do with the subject at hand? Are you OK?

I should be asking if you are OK, because you havent realised that you first used Genesis 2:4, Genesis 3:14, Judges 16:28, Genesis 15:2, 1 Kings 2:26 and Ezekiel 24:24 to make an invalid point with YHWH, but when I turned it round, and pushed it down the table back at you, asking you what does YHWH mean in each of the verse, you suddenly developed a brain fog and inability to think properly

PeaceLoveJoy:
I refuse to post the rest of your references here further because they are totally not relevant to the subject of discussion. You need to connect them first and make them relevant to what you are trying to drive home. You are a terrible teacher. What the hec..k are you trying to do? So, if you want to introduce a new dimension to your points, are you not suppose to introduce them first? This was the reason I refused to answer your questions. Very stupid way to introduce whatever you want to introduce. Very irritating and irrational. Just a way to distract. If you try this in a patent defence, court room, or theological argument, you will be thrown out right with this useless intro. What the heck are these unrelated questions? So, connect these questions with the subject Trinity. Please do.

Note: You will have to take the pain to state clearly one by one these verses you painfully made me go through and explain the relevance to Trinity. You will and you must.

Now to the underlined word: intrinsically
Meaning: in an essential or natural way.
Proof: Type the phrase: intrinsically meaning, and goggle dictionary will pop up.

Or you click on: https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/intrinsically

​in a way that belongs to or is part of the real nature of somebody/something
intrinsically good/evil
There is nothing intrinsically wrong with the idea (= it is good in itself but there may be outside circumstances which mean it is not suitable).
Salary increase is intrinsically linked to performance

Oga, please, relate this to the topic. Make sure you do.

You are squirming as if like a worm that's had salt poured upon it

PeaceLoveJoy:
5. Who and what are you PeaceLoveJoy? Give your reply, starting the sentence with: I am ...
Who is PeaceLoveJoy? - A person who uses the moniker who writes on nairaland.

What is PeacLoveJoy? - A moniker

What is so difficult with you in following simple instructions. You were specifically asked to give your reply, starting the sentence with: I am ...

PeaceLoveJoy:
6. What is your real name? The reply to that can be the answer to, what is your first or last name maybe?
Are​ you OK? Are you a scammer? Are you saying you do not know it is against the rule of platforms to release vital info? Why are you asking me? If you choose to release yours, it is your own cup of tea. Come on. What have these got to do with Trinity? I am curious to know.

Dont sound daft, the idea is to let you realise you have a real name that isnt PeaceLoveJoy. The idea is to get to directly or indirectly admit you have a real name, which PeaceLoveJoy definitely isnt it. I was dashing you rope to decide what you want to do with it

PeaceLoveJoy:
You said above you are not a trinitarian, and now the underlined word says you aren't saying it is fake. See, I came out boldly to say the two sides cannot successfully argue their points. I made my position known. You are not yet going to the point here.

Please, again, the subject of discussion is Trinity. I am not going to answer any of your unrelated questions which are to distract us from the subject at hand. What has my real name and the Trinity have together in common? What has intrinsically got to do here. I have decided to answer you for the last time because you came here to purposely divert the subject of this issue. What have such unrelated questions got to do with Trinity? Dont you know how to move your argument to the expected end? Gush!

I didn't bring up trinity with you, you did. You introduced trinity into our conversation. Out of courtesy, I replied to your replied comment to my post with you mentioning and roping me in with trinity.

PeaceLoveJoy:
Please, oga, get the crap out of my way. Not ready to even read any bull crap from you outside relating the above. Do not jump into another useless argument if you do not address the craps you wrote above. I took the pain to check references and Bible verses to see if there are senses in what he is trying to say. No sense yet. So, bring out the sense you are trying to make, and stop asking useless and unrelated questions.

See, the only sense you have to make is to connect all the bull craps you wrote and all unrelated questions, and then relate them all to Trinity, and then state clearly what your position is. Anything outside that, you are on your own. Will not reply you again.

Back to your solid foundation. Are these the craps you call solid foundation? Are you alright? Yeah! This is indeed trading ignorance. Christ!!!

God bless!

I made myself clear that I took you on, concerning your position that you mentioned in your post suggesting Yahweh to be God's real name. I even tried to get from from you what the meaning of the four-lettered alphabets, YHWH, otherwise known as the Tetragrammaton, means. Nothing more, nothing less, that that, but its you introducing trinity and trying to drag me away from those two cases.

If you understand and know that your real name isnt PeaceLoveJoy, then it shouldn't be difficult for you to grasp why the four-lettered alphabets, YHWH, otherwise known as the Tetragrammaton, isnt as well not God's real name.

DappaD:


The guy’s hypocrisy is actually stinking really bad. For someone who said he doesn’t bring up denomination into a discussion, look how far he let himself go.

I will allow the underlined sentence to slide slightly, but you will still receive your dose in part 1.

MaxInDHouse:
In that case i tender an apology, my only interest is to buttress the point my brother DappaD made on the importance of our God's name.

Please you can continue with your friends, JWs have what interests us in threads and since we don't see that here i suppose it's OK if we take our leave.

Thanks!

Read the underlined part here What is JWs? Does it not mean Jehovah Witnesses? Then who brought about my continuation with "my friends". What does he meant by the phrase? Am I the one who brought the denomination here into play?

I have told you,.... you are a mu..mu. 1st class one. This is a simple case (just now oooo) you should search well above, but because you are so desperate to choke down on me your real truth, you refused to train yourself on how to not react spontaneously. I see that you are really sick.

It's time for me to not respond to you and your fellow JW who came here to continue writing "Your god/God". Fine it means your god/God is different from mine. No problem. Since it is the case, I have nothing to say again.

Goodluck to you. No more response to you and the other guy in particular here. But if I get to anywhere you choke your own truth down the throat of others, I will blast you seriously. I assure you.

Keep to your denomination, and best of luck with what you are taught there. Bye!

BassReeves:
He shock you?

For someone like you, I won't cut my words up in halves. I give them to you whole.

I am steps ahead of you, as I already starting to begin showing when I shot those questions at you which to date you still refuse to give your replies to

Trinity is real, there is nothing to prove or disprove trinity over. The evidence is around, look at our world, look at yourself. Aren't you three dimensional


1. What is PeaceLoveJoy?
2. Is PeaceLoveJoy your real name?
3. Why and what is the idea of choosing PeaceLoveJoy?
4. Your roll called variants in Genesis 2:4, Genesis 3:14, Judges 16:28, Genesis 15:2, 1 Kings 2:26 and Ezekiel 24:24, what does word intrinsically mean?
5. Who and what are you PeaceLoveJoy? Give your reply, starting the sentence with: I am ...
6. What is your real name? The reply to that can be the answer to, what is your first or last name maybe?

Good but it isnt your real name

I am sure you know that some posters use their real name instead of a moniker.

Whenever God re-names characters in the Bible, there is a why and whats the idea behind the renaming

I should be asking if you are OK, because you havent realised that you first used Genesis 2:4, Genesis 3:14, Judges 16:28, Genesis 15:2, 1 Kings 2:26 and Ezekiel 24:24 to make an invalid point with YHWH, but when I turned it round, and pushed it down the table back at you, asking you what does YHWH mean in each of the verse, you suddenly developed a brain fog and inability to think properly

You are squirming as if like a worm that's had salt poured upon it

What is so difficult with you in following simple instructions. You were specifically asked to give your reply, starting the sentence with: I am ...

Dont sound daft, the idea is to let you realise you have a real name that isnt PeaceLoveJoy. The idea is to get to directly or indirectly admit you have a real name, which PeaceLoveJoy definitely isnt it. I was dashing you rope to decide what you want to do with it

I didn't bring up trinity with, you did. You introduced trinity into our conversation. Out of courtesy, I replied to your replied comment to my post with you mentioning and roping me in with trinity.

I made myself clear that I took you on, concerning your position that you mentioned in your post suggesting Yahweh to be God's real name. I even tried to get from from you what the meaning of the four-lettered alphabets, YHWH, otherwise known as the Tetragrammaton, means. Nothing more, nothing less, that that, but its you introducing trinity and trying to drag me away from those two cases.

If you understand and know that your real name isnt PeaceLoveJoy, then it shouldn't be difficult for you to grasp why the four-lettered alphabets, YHWH, otherwise known as the Tetragrammaton, isnt as well not God's real name.

The underlined words showed the extend at which this guy is stu..pid. Readers, I hope you agree with me. What else should I do? Ignore him. When a man is stup...id, he is. He is on a thread where Trinity is the main discussion and just imagine.

Goodluck!

PeaceLoveJoy:

I pray you do not cross the line and turn to be an atheist cos it is a dangerous line you are about to launch into. A very dangerous path. This is why I refused to lead the discussion and make any new revelation because I know atheists are ready to flood this thread at any opportunity they see. Lol. I came in fast when Tetragrammaton was mentioned. Just look at how I put forward variants of the same original Hebrew word and where Adonai, Elohi, and some other came into the picture. It is deep sir. You may disprove them, but before you do, search first. This is my point.

Yes nah I will become an atheist because I don’t believe in the Trinity forged by your Catholic Church abi? I saw how you quickly dismissed the clear evidence of the ruthlessness of your Church during the Dark Ages. Continue.
You’re always yelling that one shouldn’t force one’s opinions down the throats of others, did your own Church take the same approach? If not for religious freedom today, we would still be tied up in the same net of forced belief.
Faith(trust), according to Hebrews 11:1 has to be based on convincing evidence and is not based on mere blind faith or credulity so if your Church began forcing their beliefs of Trinity and Hellfire on people, then what’s left for you is to investigate for yourself and be noble minded like the Boreoans. Acts 17:11

PeaceLoveJoy:
Honestly, you know where I am going. It is to lay out all the personalities out in the real, original names we were given. And then we will look at them and discuss. You are getting it. Since I am in the middle, the onus is on you to bring all the names out. I flow with you as the spirit or knowledge leads. You use KJV, I knocked it out. Then, you moved to origin names, and we are in the process. You will bring them out as you brought the subject up. I will not be the one to bring them out for you. You will disprove it exactly the way you proposed. It may take long but since you want to go down the lane, I am ready for you sir. But wait! Before you start, read on because you wrote stuff below.

Bro, I so much like you. Hahaha. Looks to me you are trying to say here you do not have 100% evidence to back up your claims. Or am I wrong? You want to really prove this, looks to me you will go deep into phonetics and ancient languages. And then, the people who know about these things have written so much about them. We just need to search. And it looks to me you have brought out a valid point why English versions of Bible have different words, and there are synonyms. Come on bro! You will need to really go back and really research deeper. Sir, you are on a journey that I called "unending journey of knowledge"

Ignore the clown, and focus on your own above. Now bro, do you agree with me you may need to spend some more hours behind your doors locked to dig deeper? Let me know your position.

Please take note, I am not saying your position is totally wrong. You know I spoke out clean and clearly that Johnenine comma is real. Bro, that is the knockout for Pro Trinity. Cos which verse in the Bible are they going to use again to fully back it up? I don't know. Honestly I do not. Can you see that they are silent? But how did I do it, I elaborated and emphasized more strongly on it. I am sure most of them have gone through it and they realise they must study it. They are already digging deeper. And that is the beginning of knowledge. But while studying very deep, there are evidences to their claims. Why Catholic added the phrase in Johnenine Comma may not be totally wrong, but it is wrong to not put a footnote there. This is my point. But it cannot be 100% proved accurately too.

Bro, bro, bro! You really tried. I give it to you. But see, look deeply into my response to your post. Do not rush. Just look at it deeper.

I pray you do not cross the line and turn to be an atheist cos it is a dangerous line you are about to launch into. A very dangerous path. This is why I refused to lead the discussion and make any new revelation because I know atheists are ready to flood this thread at any opportunity they see. Lol. I came in fast when Tetragrammaton was mentioned. Just look at how I put forward variants of the same original Hebrew word and where Adonai, Elohi, and some other came into the picture. It is deep sir. You may disprove them, but before you do, search first. This is my point.

The real clown here and a dishonest one for that matter is actually you, who couldn't correct DappaD that I never said anything about nobody knows how God’s name is supposed to be pronounced et cetera et cetera, but what I posited was that the four-lettered alphabets, YHWH, otherwise known as the Tetragrammaton, is not God's real name

PeaceLoveJoy:
Of course not. The importance of the name of God is valid and something every christian must know deeply. I cannot claim to know it a too. Still learning daily. Using your fellow Witness' words "a different thing altogether". I hope you get it. I cannot say anything further.

This is my point all the way. Let us know the direction of discussing before bringing in new matters to it. You wanted to bring in the importance of God's name. And this is not the subject. If I had allowed you, the whole issue wpuld have been messed up, and we wouldn't get to this point. This is why in the court of law, some evidences are not admissible. First, you must prove the evidences you want to use are related and qualified before proceeding with your argument. This is exactly where the "I too Know it all" above BassReeves got it wrong, and was asking me some totally unrelated useless questions. To add salt to the injury, he is beating his chest (like King Kong) that answering them is the KEY to explaining Trinity. I initially ignored him to not show his foo...lishness, but since he is eager and desperate to show he is st..upid, I have given him the opportunity to show it clearly. So, let us wait for his stupi...dity in full capacity as he elaborate on them. Let us wait and see him in his full garment of confusion. Let us see his full Field Mashall rank in the military of inconsistency.

Water will have to freeze in the Lake of Fire first, before you'll ever stand a chance of knowing what God's real name is. Your brain hasn't the computing power to understand it because its a name, that is too potent, powerful, wonderful, incomprehensible and overwhelming.

It was for a reason why, I asked you to give an answer to 'what your name is, who you are and what you are' questions, but to start your replying statements or answers, with: I am ...

PeaceLoveJoy:


I will allow the underlined sentence to slide slightly, but you will still receive your dose in part
Read the underlined part here What is JWs? Does it not mean Jehovah Witnesses? Then who brought about my continuation with "my friends". What does he meant by the phrase? Am I the one who brought the denomination here into play?
I have told you,.... you are a mu..mu. 1st class one. This is a simple case (just now oooo) you should search well above, but because you are so desperate to choke down on me your real truth, you refused to train yourself on how to not react spontaneously. I see that you are really sick.


It's time for me to not respond to you and your fellow JW who came here to continue writing "Your god/God". Fine it means your god/God is different from mine. No problem. Since it is the case, I have nothing to say again.


Goodluck to you. No more response to you and the other guy in particular here. But if I get to anywhere you choke your own truth down the throat of others, I will blast you seriously. I assure you.
Keep to your denomination, and best of luck with what you are taught there. Bye!

As for the highlighted, It’s not about writing or claiming, it’s a reality that Jehovah’s Witnesses have their own God. Isaiah 43:10-12, Micah 4:5

I don’t think I ever rained insults on you personally so whether you respond to me or not, that’s your own problem because this is a public forum. After all you were the one who quoted me on the first page. Even after all the slur you lashed out on iyambz because he slandered your Church(god), you now mentioned me and became tame and expected what in the end?
Please move jare.

BassReeves sounds more and more like MuttleyLaff to me. I just figured it out.

PeaceLoveJoy:
The underlined words showed the extend at which this guy is stu..pid. Readers, I hope you agree with me. What else should I do? Ignore him. When a man is stup...id, he is. He is on a thread where Trinity is the main discussion and just imagine.
Goodluck!

Resorting to portray another poster as stu..pid is a weak person’s imitation of cerebral strength and intelligence.

The key to unquestionably understanding trinity rests in grasping what intrinsically the four-lettered alphabets, YHWH, otherwise known as the Tetragrammaton, verbalised as Yahweh, or Jehovah, the artificial Latinized contraption hybrid formed from combining the Latin letters JHVH with the vowels of Adonai, means.

PeaceLoveJoy:

The underlined words showed the extend at which this guy is stu..pid. Readers, I hope you agree with me. What else should I do? Ignore him. When a man is stup...id, he is. He is on a thread where Trinity is the main discussion and just imagine.

Goodluck!

PeaceLoveJoy.... What's your own stance on Trinity?

BassReeves:
Resorting to portray another poster as stu..pid is a weak person’s imitation of cerebral strength and intelligence.

The key to unquestionably understanding trinity rests in grasping what intrinsically the four-lettered alphabets, YHWH, otherwise known as the Tetragrammaton, verbalised as Yahweh, or Jehovah, the artificial Latinized contraption hybrid formed from combining the Latin letters JHVH with the vowels of Adonai, means.

Do you think Jehovah Shouldn't be the correct rendering of God's personal name?

haddeylium:
Do you think Jehovah Shouldn't be the correct rendering of God's personal name?

I am not thinking about whether or not Jehovah should be the correct rendering of God's personal name, but I am saying, the four-lettered alphabets, YHWH, otherwise known as the Tetragrammaton, verbalised as Yahweh, or Jehovah, the artificial Latinized contraption hybrid formed from combining the Latin letters JHVH with the vowels of Adonai, is not God's real name, just as haddeylium, PeaceLoveJoy, DappaD, BassReeves etc, are not our real names. It's just as simple as that and without any ambiguity to it.

BassReeves:
The real clown here and a dishonest one for that matter is actually you, who couldn't correct DappaD that I never said anything about nobody knows how God’s name is supposed to be pronounced et cetera et cetera, but what I posited was that the four-lettered alphabets, YHWH, otherwise known as the Tetragrammaton, is not God's real name

MuttleyLaff, so after making the claim that the J-consonant doesn’t exist in Hebrew[which is true], you then went ahead to shift goalposts?
Honestly, I expected more from you.

Na wah o!
Se na so he pain you reach?
OK sorry sorry no vex, person no dey follow you joke?

PeaceLoveJoy:


I will allow the underlined sentence to slide slightly, but you will still receive your dose in part 1.


Read the underlined part here What is JWs? Does it not mean Jehovah Witnesses? Then who brought about my continuation with "my friends". What does he meant by the phrase? Am I the one who brought the denomination here into play?

I have told you,.... you are a mu..mu. 1st class one. This is a simple case (just now oooo) you should search well above, but because you are so desperate to choke down on me your real truth, you refused to train yourself on how to not react spontaneously. I see that you are really sick.

It's time for me to not respond to you and your fellow JW who came here to continue writing "Your god/God". Fine it means your god/God is different from mine. No problem. Since it is the case, I have nothing to say again.

Goodluck to you. No more response to you and the other guy in particular here. But if I get to anywhere you choke your own truth down the throat of others, I will blast you seriously. I assure you.

Keep to your denomination, and best of luck with what you are taught there. Bye!

DappaD:
MuttleyLaff, so after making the claim that the J-consonant doesn’t exist in Hebrew[which is true], you then went ahead to shift goalposts?
Honestly, I expected more from you.

If you are serious, you should at least have the decency to address me correctly.
You honourably have admitted that the J-consonant doesn’t exist in Hebrew alphabet and accepted this to be is true, so whats with your alleging that goalposts were shifted. Why not do a check to see that I challenged that God's real name is unknown, that the Tetragrammaton, verbalised as Yahweh, or even Jehovah, the artificial Latinized contraption hybrid formed from combining the Latin letters JHVH with the vowels of Adonai, is not God's real name, just as haddeylium, PeaceLoveJoy, DappaD, BassReeves etc, are not our real names. Or is DappaD your real name then?

BassReeves:
I am not thinking about whether or not Jehovah should be the correct rendering of God's personal name, but I am saying, the four-lettered alphabets, YHWH, otherwise known as the Tetragrammaton, verbalised as Yahweh, or Jehovah, the artificial Latinized contraption hybrid formed from combining the Latin letters JHVH with the vowels of Adonai, is not God's real name, just as haddeylium, PeaceLoveJoy, DappaD, BassReeves etc, are not our real names. It's just as simple as that and without any ambiguity to it.

But, you agree that YHWH is God's personal name right?

BassReeves:
If you are serious, you should at least have the decency to address me correctly.
You honourably have admitted that the J-consonant doesn’t exist in Hebrew alphabet and accepted this to be is true, so whats with your alleging that goalposts were shifted. Why not do a check to see that I challenged that God's real name is unknown, that the Tetragrammaton, verbalised as Yahweh, or even Jehovah, the artificial Latinized contraption hybrid formed from combining the Latin letters JHVH with the vowels of Adonai, is not God's real name, just as haddeylium, PeaceLoveJoy, DappaD, BassReeves etc, are not our real names. Or is DappaD your real name then?

How do you think Jacob should be spelt?
Remember, Hebrew has no vowel letter and J

haddeylium:
But, you agree that YHWH is God's personal name right?

I would like you to produce where I said anything about YHWH being God's personal name.

I am sure you cant pretend to have not read me, somewhere up there, say, that God's real name is unknown, and further on that, the four-lettered alphabets, YHWH, otherwise known as, the Tetragrammaton, verbalised as Yahweh, or even Jehovah, the artificial Latinized contraption hybrid formed from combining the Latin letters JHVH with the vowels of Adonai, is not God's real name.

haddeylium:
How do you think Jacob should be spelt?
Remember, Hebrew has no vowel letter and J

You are trying to kick a ball thats not in play.

haddeylium:



PeaceLoveJoy.... What's your own stance on Trinity?

Very clear and direct. My view: Trinity cannot be proved 100% accurately, and cannot be disproved 100% accurately.

Many things had been altered in the Bible. Many words have been changed. The years the books (strolls)were kept out of the reach of the common man were dark. Those who decided to declassify them actually did an excellent job in expunging many facts and truths from them and cannot be recovered. And they added their truths. One is Johnenine Comma I keep talking about.

I was on a cultural/religious thread some days ago and this morning which is about Ifa (a Nigerian culture and religion). And till date, the corpus of Ifa has not been declassified. They classified it like FBI and CIA classify secrets. Lol. And the writer was boastful there saying it contains over 200,000 pages and spreads across anatomy, philosophy, pharmaceutical science, geography, biology, chemistry, etc. Only this Ifa corpus? Chineke!!! Oga, you must produce that Corpus oooo, else, you are a terrible liar. Guy has not come online for many days oooo. The guy "jakpa". We will GoFundMe it by the grace of God so we can put it online. And I wonder why the Ooni of Ife, Alaafin of Oyo, and Oba of Benin have refused to assist in declassifying these books which they insist there aren't secrets and darkness in. Why? It cannot be fund issue. Are the royal kings not collecting funds from govt? Are they not getting from NGOs and foreign partners? They can buy Rolls Royce, but they arent ready to declassify these books with no deep secrets according to them. If there are no darkness and secrets, why are they keeping them from the common man? Wait till they are prevailed on and overpowered to declassify them, and you will see terrible lies and cover ups. I hope I have just made sense here.

When you start digging deeper, you better be careful; else, you fall into atheism. And this is why I said, the level of faith of each person makes us pro or anti Trinity. While, the lack of evidence and so much confusion have pushed many down the atheism high way, I was careful along this road and GOD held me tight. Meanwhile, I checked myself with personal experiences and words of wisdom and knowledge. I believe in the Holy Spirit and it is true where Jesus said the Holy Spirit will continue to teach, guide, and reveal deeper secrets. It will be clear to you, but it is hard to explain to the world.

Checking everything well, Jesus did not ask you to debate and prove it to the world. He only said, the Holy Spirit will reveal these things to you, and not to the world. When you tap into this revelation, many things begin to make sense to you when you reach a stage spiritually.

Bro, a spiritual person will never debate with you. You can see I did not debate, I was just cross checking facts brought up, and it will definitely end in stalemate. Who have you seen won this debate? No one. It always ends in messes. Participants always bring in irrelevancies and turn the debate to unresolved arguments. At the end, atheists have the last laugh. Lol.

If I had not been careful, atheists would have jumped in to rubbish everyone. They are waiting for me to open the door for them to come in. It is my words that are holding them from coming in. As the thread was going on, many known atheists here were viewing the thread and following it. But I did not open the door for them to burst in. God gave me the wisdom to close the door.

I understand atheists, and I dont judge them. Bro, they have just studied deeper more than many of the so called christians. It is why they can hammer christians more. See bro, terrible damages have been done to what we carry about, even more than Quran, but I still believe in Bible. There is a warning against altering the Bible in revelation, but it happened. So, I leave God to judge it. Period.

I have no problem with any denomination as long as the WORD is preached. Each denomination has got its doctrines. Topics like: trinity, existence of hell, rapture, etc fall under doctrines of denominations. Doctrines are rules and believes laid down by the founding fathers of each denomination. Doctrines are created according to the level of revelation of the founding fathers and mothers. Do I want to go into that? Nope.

But here are what I want to discuss more:

1. The GRACE of our Lord Jesus Christ
2. The LOVE of God (the father)
3. The SWEET FELLOWSHIP of the Holy Spirit,
4. Rest with us now and forever. AMEN. HOW?

Rather than debate Trinity, I focus on:
Grace from the Son, Love from the Father, and the Sweet Fellowship of the holy spirit. Hallelujah! These are the MAIN three things Jesus will be proud of. I do not care about debating Trinity. What do I need? SALVATION. And what is Salvation: JOHN 3:16 - For God so love the world, He gave us his son, whoever believes him or in him should not perish, but have eternal life. It is funny these people arguing trinity believe in God, the father, the son, and the Holy Spirit, but how they make the proof of Trinity (Doctrine) to be the centre of their faith is what beats my imagination. My on focus are:
1. GRACE
2. LOVE
3. FELLOWSHIP

Period. Anything further, I kick into the garbage. If I decide to join JW, I flow with them. If I join catholic, I flow. Oh! I'm beginning to learn about Adventists, and they have powerful doctrines. I know what to pick, and what not to. Mind you, I am grounded in Apostolic which are basis of many churches around in Nigeria. Infact, I attended catholic masses more while I'm abroad. I attended good schools while missionary schools were strong: i attended Methodist and baptist schools. So, I cut across many denomination. I can start singing hymns. Is it SOP (Songs of praise) which I used for years in my primary school, or Sacred Songs and Solos, and Redemption Hymns that I haven't used? Bro, you better learn "guide me o thou great jehovah". Can you see, I do not have problem with the name Jehovah? I dont at all. I can dissect the suffix Jehovah for you to explain God.

So, I put it to all Christians, let us leave aside our doctrines and focus more on what matter most. Let us focus more on the things above. Why debate Trinity? Why debate the existence of hell? Why debate Rapture? For what exactly? Someone wrote about rapture and the article was pushed to Front page on Sunday. I love the article. He concluded that whether it is before the great tribulation or not, why dont you leave that and focus on preparing yourself? It is likely you are going to die before these things happen. So, why bother yourself with what is not so important? Honestly, I dont get it. And the strength many use to debate is so strong that I wonder why cant these people channel this strength into more resourceful activities. When you prepare yourself so well you dont need to bother if the rapture is before or after the great tribulation. But it is good to be aware of these doctrines. They are there to prepare us. Simple as ABC.

My closest friend can be pro Rapture after the Great Tribulation or anti. In fact, I learned first about it from a friend during this Covid-19 pandemic. This person is wonderful, but we just dont agree because this person is always trying to put their (permit me to use their, them they for this person) doctrines forward. Drop these craps. I respect their doctrines and I know they molded them, but are they supposed to be the basis of their salvation? If I choose to not believe in this one, am I not qualified to reign with God at the end of days? They cant answer these questions till date, but always ranting about their doctrines. I have heard them, it is time to zip their mouth and move on. Nope, they wouldn't agree. And then since I dont agree with them and accept their doctrine as the truth, I am not qualified to be their bosom friend. Really? Really? Really? Bursting around like a boss over my head? Cos of these doctrines? Lol. To heck with them and their doctrines.

So again, may the GRACE of our Lord Jesus Christ. The LOVE of God, and the FELLOWSHIP of the Holy Spirit, rest with everyone forever. AMEN!

BassReeves:
If you are serious, you should at least have the decency to address me correctly.
You honourably have admitted that the J-consonant doesn’t exist in Hebrew alphabet and accepted this to be is true, so whats with your alleging that goalposts were shifted. Why not do a check to see that I challenged that God's real name is unknown, that the Tetragrammaton, verbalised as Yahweh, or even Jehovah, the artificial Latinized contraption hybrid formed from combining the Latin letters JHVH with the vowels of Adonai, is not God's real name,

MuttleyLaff, we’ve gone over this before and you know it. First you claimed that the J-consonant doesn’t exist in Hebrew but when you gradually saw that the tables turned, you resorted to your usual “the name is too incomprehensible” yada yada.

BassReeves:
Water will have to freeze in the Lake of Fire first, before you'll ever stand a chance of knowing what God's real name is.
Your brain hasn't the computing power to understand it because its a name it is potent, powerful, wonderful, incomprehensible and overwhelming.

It was for a reason why, I asked you to give an answer to 'what your name is, who you are and what you are' questions, but to start your replying statements or answers, with: I am ...

MuttleyLaff:
No one on the Religion forum knows your personal name, we know you as Blabbermouth, but Blabbermouth defo isnt your personal name, lmso. Yhwh is not God's personal name. It also is a descriptor. Of course, I am sure you are aware its the four Hebrew alphabets Y, H, W and H, that when vocalised you end up with Yahweh.
The Bible politely gives the reason for not saying what God's personal name is, and the reason for not disclosing the personal name is because the name is wonderful, meaning it is impossible to understand, is not able to be understood and/or it is incomprehensible.

Hearing what the name is, will render the hearer, dumbfounded, lost for words and effectively speechless. So the personal name of God is unknown.

Nobody is saying that we know everything about God because we can only know a fragment[1/10^infinity] of his ways through the Bible[Job 26:14] and his wisdom is unsearchable.
Isaiah 40:28, Romans 11:33

But concerning the name of the God of the Bible, that one is clearly stated so that the true God can be distinguished from the all other false gods.
Psalm 115:1-8, Jeremiah 10:10-12

just as haddeylium, PeaceLoveJoy, DappaD, BassReeves etc, are not our real names. Or is DappaD your real name then?

The reason, if you’ve not realised, why I didn‘t respond to this earlier is because the analogy is totally weak, absurd and illogical.

It's OK, it's OK!

PeaceLoveJoy:

Very clear and direct. My view: Trinity cannot be proved 100% accurately, and cannot be disproved 100% accurately.

Many things had been altered in the Bible. Many words have been changed. The years the Books were kept out of the reach of the common man were dark. Those who decided to declassify it actually did an excellent job in expunging many facts and truths from it and cannot be recovered. And they added their truths. One is Johnenine Comma I keep talking about.

I was on a cultural/religious thread some days ago and this morning which is about Ifa (a Nigerian culture and religion). And till date, the corpus of Ifa has not been declassified. They classified it like FBI and CIA classify secrets. Lol. And the writer was boastful there saying it contains over 200,000 pages and spreads across anatomy, philosophy, pharmaceutical science, geography, biology, chemistry, etc. Only this Ifa corpus? Chineke!!! Oga, you must produce that Corpus oooo, else, you are are terrible liar. Guy, have not come online for many days oooo. The guy "Jakpa". We will GoFundMe it by the grace of God so we can put it online. And I wonder why the Ooni of Ife, Allafin of Oyo, and Oba of Benin have refused to assist in declassifying these books which they insist there aren't secrets and darkness in. Why? It cannot be fund issue. Are the royal kings not collecting funds from govt? Are they not getting from NGOs and foreign partners? They can buy Rolls Royce, but they arent ready to declassify these books with no deep secrets according to them. If there are no darkness and secrets, why are they keeping it from the common man? Wait till they are prevailed on and overpowered to declassify it, and you will see terrible lies and cover ups. I hope I have just made sense here.

When you start digging deeper, you better be careful; else, you fall into atheism. And this is why I said, the level of faith of each person is what position makes him or her pro or anti Trinity. While, the lack of evidence and so much confusion have pushed many down the atheism high way, I was careful along this road and GOD held me tight. Meanwhile, I checked myself with personal experiences and words of wisdom and knowledge. I believe in the Holy Spirit and it is true where Jesus said the Holy Spirit will continue to teach, guide, and reveal deeper secrets. It will be clear to you, but it is hard to explain to the world.

Checking everything well, Jesus did not ask you to debate and prove it to the world. He only said, the Holy Spirit will reveal these things to you, and not to the world. When you tap into this revelation, many things begin to make sense to you when you reach a stage spiritually.

Bro, a spiritual person will never debate with you. You can see I did not debate, I was just cross checking facts brought up, and it will definitely end in stalemate. Who have you seen won this debate? No one. It always ends in messes. Participants will always bring in irrelevancies and turn the debate to unresolved arguments. At the end, atheists have the last laugh. Lol.

If I had not been careful, atheists would have jumped in to rubbish everyone. They are waiting for me to open the door for them to come in. It is my words that are holding them from coming in. As the thread was going on, many known atheists here were viewing the thread and following it. But I did not open the door for them to burst in. God gave me the wisdom to close the door.

I understand atheists, and I dont judge them. Bro, they have just studied deeper more than many of the so called christians. It is why they can hammer christians more. See bro, terrible damages have been done to what we carry about, even more than Quran, but I still believe in Bible. There is a warning against altering the Bible in revelation, but tit happened. So, I leave God to judge it. Period.

I have no problem with any denomination as long as the WORD is preached. Each denomination has got its doctrines. Topics like: trinity, existence of hell, rapture, etc fall under doctrines of denominations. Doctrines are rules and believes laid down by the founding fathers of each denomination. Doctrines are created according to the level of revelation of the founding fathers and mothers. Do I want to go into that? Nope.

But here are what I want to discuss more:

1. The GRACE of our Lord Jesus Christ
2. The LOVE of God (the father)
3. The SWEET FELLOWSHIP of the Holy Spirit,
4. Rest with us now and forever. AMEN. HOW?

Rather than debate Trinity, I focus on:
Grace from the Son, Love from the Father, and the Sweet Fellowship of the holy spirit. Hallelujah! These are the MAIN three things Jesus will be proud of. I do not care about debating Trinity. What do I need? SALVATION. And what is Salvation: JOHN 3:16 - For God so love the world, He gave us his son, whoever believes him or in him should not perish, but have eternal life. It is funny these people arguing believe in God, the father, the son, and the Holy Spirit, but how they make the proof of Trinity (Doctrine) to be the centre of their debate is what beats my imagination. My on focus are:
1. GRACE
2. LOVE
3. FELLOWSHIP

Period. Anything further, I kick into the garbage. If I decide to join JW, I flow with them. If I join catholic, I flow. Oh! I'm beginning to learn about Adventists, and they have powerful doctrines. I know what to pick, and what not to. Mind you, I am grounded in Apostolic which are basis of many churches around in Nigeria. And then, I'm privileged to attend schools while missionary schools were strong: i attended Methodist and baptist schools. So, I cut across many denomination. I can start singing hymns. Is it SOP (Songs of praise) which I used for 6 years in my primary school, or Sacred Songs and Solos, and Redemption Hymns that I haven't used? Bro, you better learn "guide me o thou great jehovah". Can you see, I do not have problem with the name Jehovah? I dont at all. I can dissect the suffix Jehovah for you to explain God. I can...All.

So, I put it to all Christians, let us leave aside our doctrines and focus more on what matter most. Let us focus more on the things above. Why debate Trinity? Why debate the existence of hell? Why debate Rapture? For what exactly? Someone wrote about rapture and the article was pushed to Front page on Sunday. I love the article. He concluded that whether it is before the great tribulation or not, why dont you leave that and focus on preparing yourself? It is likely you are going to die before these things happen. So, why bother yourself.with what is not so important? Honestly, I dont get it at all. And the strength many use to debate is so strong that I wonder why cant these people channel this strength into more resourceful activities. When you prepare yourself so well you dont need to bother if the rapture is before or after the great tribulation. But it is good to be aware of these doctrines. They are there to prepare us. Simple as ABC.

My closest friend can be pro Rapture after the Great Tribulation or anti. In fact, I learned first about it from a friend during this Covid-19 pandemic. This person is wonderful, but we just dont agree because this person is always trying to put their (permit me to use their, them they for this person) doctrines forward. Drop these craps. I respect their doctrines and I know they molded them, but are they supposed to be the basis of their salvation? If I choose to not believe in this one, am I not qualified to reign with God at the end of days? They cant answer these questions till date, but always ranting about their doctrines. I have heard them, it is time to zip their mouth and move on. Nope, they wouldn't agree. And then since I dont agree with them and accept their doctrine as the truth, I am not qualified to be their bosom friend. Really? Really? Really? Bursting around like a boss over my head? Cos of these doctrines? Lol. To heck with them and their doctrines.

So again, may the GRACE of our Lord Jesus Christ. The LOVE of God, and the FELLOWSHIP of the Holy Spirit, rest with everyone forever. AMEN!

DappaD:
MuttleyLaff, we’ve gone over this before and you know it.

If you insist on addressing me other than BassReeves, well then, its your prerogative. Goats are one of the animals I know that are headstrong and stubborn enough like that in refusing to change an attitude.

DappaD:
First you claimed that the J-consonant doesn’t exist in Hebrew but when you gradually saw that the tables turned, you resorted to your usual “the name is too incomprehensible” yada yada.

You have my duck rolled out in the wrong order. I maintain that God's real name is unknown. I also maintain that the four-lettered alphabets, YHWH, otherwise known as, the Tetragrammaton, verbalised as Yahweh, and even Jehovah, the artificial Latinized contraption hybrid formed from combining the Latin letters JHVH with the vowels of Adonai, are all, not God's real name.

Now when it comes to matter of 'the name is too incomprehensible yada yada', that is not quoting me, but that is quoting what the bible says.

DappaD:
Nobody is saying that we know everything about God because we can only know a fragment[1/10^infinity] of his ways through the Bible[Job 26:14] and his wisdom is unsearchable.
Isaiah 40:26, Romans 11:33

No expects you to know everything about God. What you are being made to understand, is that you are not privileged to know God's real name because God's real name is and has always been a closed book.

DappaD:
But concerning the name of the God of the Bible, that one is clearly stated so that the true God can be distinguished from the all other false gods.
Psalm 115:1-8, Jeremiah 10:10-12

Nowhere in Psalm 115:1-8 or Jeremiah 10:10-12, is God's real name stated or mentioned. Point out where in Psalm 115:1-8 or Jeremiah 10:10-12, is God's real name stated or mentioned. Or say what you think God's real name is.

DappaD:
The reason, if you’ve not realised, why I didn‘t respond to this earlier is because the analogy is totally weak, absurd and illogical.

God has chosen the foolish, absurd and illogical things of the world to confound the wise in their eyes DappaD and God has chosen the weak things of the world that He may confound the kind of people like you DappaD

BassReeves:
[s]If you insist on addressing me other than BassReeves, well then, its your prerogative. Goats are one of the animals I know that are headstrong and stubborn enough like that in refusing to change an attitude.[/s]

What’s with the slur if you strongly believe I’m wrong about your real identity? You just about prove me right.

You have my duck rolled out in the wrong order.
I maintain that God's real name is unknown. I also maintain that the four-lettered alphabets, YHWH, otherwise known as, the Tetragrammaton, verbalised as Yahweh, and even Jehovah, the artificial Latinized contraption hybrid formed from combining the Latin letters JHVH with the vowels of Adonai, is not God's real name.

You’ve asserted with your other moniker that YHWH is just a descriptor name since it means “He Causes to Become” or “He Brings into Existence What Exists” and that’s okay. But that’s the beauty and significance of it because many more in the Bible bore descriptor names such as Abraham, Esau, Moses, Solomon etc.

Now when it comes to matter of “the name is too incomprehensible” yada yada, that is not quoting me, but that is quoting what the bible says.

In what Scripture please?

No expects you to know everything about God. What you are being made to understand, is that you are not privileged to know God's real name because God's real name is and has always been a closed book.

That has always been your opinion, MuttleyLaff.
When ever Scriptures like Exodus 3:15 and Isaiah 42:8 were rolled out, you’d always fine a way to construe.

Nowhere in Psalm 115:1-8 or Jeremiah 10:10-12, is God's real name stated or mentioned. Point out where in Psalm 115:1-8 or Jeremiah 10:10-12, is God's real name stated or mentioned. Or say what you think God's real name is.

Seems you need to be spoonfed.

Psalm 115:1 [ASV]
“Not unto us, O JEHOVAH, not unto us, But unto thy name give glory, For thy lovingkindness, and for thy truth’s sake.”

Jeremiah 10:10 [ASV]
“But JEHOVAH is the true God; he is the living God, and an everlasting King: at his wrath the earth trembleth, and the nations are not able to abide his indignation.”

[s]
God has chosen the foolish, absurd and illogical things of the world to confound the wise in their eyes DappaD and God has chosen the weak things of the world that He may confound the kind of people like you DappaD[/s]

Garbage as usual. 1Corinthians 1:27 has nothing to do with the rubbish you’re typing now. Imagine trying to explain the nature of God wrt three states of water and rays of light. And as if the faulty Trinitarian’s view wasn’t bad enough, you went ahead to claim that God existed as infinite number of persons even though the Bible specifically says that God is just ONE[Deuteronomy 6:4, John 4:24, Galatians 3:20].
For shame, MuttleyLaff, for shame.

MuttleyLaff:
With all due respect my dear highly esteemed loving brother, please just answer the "are you putting limitation on God by suggesting that: It is hard, difficult, impossible and beyond God to send Himself on an errand as a Son to earth?" and "are you putting limitation on God by suggesting that: It is hard, difficult, impossible and beyond God to project out from Himself to then after, concurrently exist in two places?" questions first with a binary Yes or No, then it would have been alright to write your explanations and defences.
Anyway, I have to quickly dash out for a few good hours and so will have to come back to all this, when I am back in. When I do, I will respond properly to your post and shine more light on that will give more illumination on why God, though is infinite/infinity, presents the Godhead three dimensionally (i.e. trinity) lmso
Wish you an all rounder all year long blessed 2021

DappaD:


MuttleyLaff, we’ve gone over this before and you know it. First you claimed that the J-consonant doesn’t exist in Hebrew but when you gradually saw that the tables turned, you resorted to your usual “the name is too incomprehensible” yada yada.





Nobody is saying that we know everything about God because we can only know a fragment[1/10^infinity] of his ways through the Bible[Job 26:14] and his wisdom is unsearchable.
Isaiah 40:28, Romans 11:33

But concerning the name of the God of the Bible, that one is clearly stated so that the true God can be distinguished from the all other false gods.
Psalm 115:1-8, Jeremiah 10:10-12




The reason, if you’ve not realised, why I didn‘t respond to this earlier is because the analogy is totally weak, absurd and illogical.

wait, is that mutteylaff?

haddeylium:



wait, is that mutteylaff?

The evidence points to it being him.

I wonder o!
That's DappaD for you.
But since the person has been quiet on DappaD's suspicion i guess it's truly Muttleylaff o!

haddeylium:

wait, is that mutteylaff?

PeaceLoveJoy:

Very clear and direct. My view: Trinity cannot be proved 100% accurately, and cannot be disproved 100% accurately.

That's the answer I need!
Thanks. I also like the way you use MY.
To indicate how that is your personal opinion based on the much you know.

Seems you're waiting for your personal spirit to whisper into your ears what is true. When the truth has been explicitly penned down under God's holyspirit.
What you need know is 'Understanding'

-the Son of God(Jesus) has come, and he has given us(True Christains) insight so that we may gain the knowledge of the one who is true.(1john 5:20).

True Christains know how importance it is identified the Only True God to be able to qualified for God's underserved Everlasting life.
Pay attention to Jesus' word

This means everlasting life, their coming to know you(Not: Me or Us), the only true God(Jehovah), and the one whom you sent(Messenger), Jesus Christ(John 17:3).

Take these word as it is.