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This topic isn't as pragmatic as most seem to want to make it.

No your God didn't create money. People created money in physical form and in conceptual form.

I'm more disappointed that nobody remotely even TRIED the thought experiment but instead turned on the person suggesting it.

Lighten up people.

Dude, have you ever thought that your conclusions are drawn based on a confirmation bias? It seems like (with all due respect) you don't want to REALLY understand evolution because if you did you wouldn't be mixing it up with cosmology, physics and chemistry.

If you want to understand evolution feel free to send me a private message and we can talk about this like gentlemen. Anyway to get to the rudiments its best you start slowly because it's a pretty big pill to swallow if you're shackled with presuppositions like the laughable creationism crap that is "fringe" thinking at best within the scientific community.

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=019F146277A3EDFD

Anyway send me a message if you wish, these forums are a bit too loud and crowded for my tastes. Oh and I am an atheist if you got any thing you wish to ask me about my personal brand of lack of belief then feel free to do so.

Much respect brothers and sisters.

~Sauron~:
Most loudest?? tsk tsk. . . .what a ninny!!!
Did u pass through the 4 walls of a citadel of learning??
Most loudest?? The money spent on your education woulda been invested in cocoa business.
U are a half-baked graduate, you schmuk!!!

Shut the f**k up man, Geez.

It's not really sudden that I'm feeling a bit tired it's approaching 23:00 and I have had a long day, seriously I don't really know any of you I got no obligation to sit here all night and battle. So you guys can see it as a pyrrhic victory if you must but damn it's kind of pathetic you'd resort to such tactics.

Sagamite: you really are desperate, you haven't remotely even refuted the evidence, you're just shouting now, Show something to back up your bullshit at least.

1. If homosexuality was genetic then we would expect this trait to be passed down from one generation to another no? However it is perfectly possible to see a straight father have a homosexual son who has a straight child. What happened to the genes for homosexuality? where did it go?

Homosexuality could be a recessive gene however the gene for it isn't isolated so it's more likely a function or feature of the brain rather than a matter of genetics, that's where most evidence points anyway. There's tons of thing s I could talk about but me sleepy,

2. Homosexuality is CLEARLY reversible . . . however you cannot successfully raise a child born as a boy as a girl. Nature always supercedes nuture.

Homosexuality isn't CLEARLY reversible in all people, just some. Even when these people go cold turkey on homosexual acts they still have sexual impulses towards the same sex. There's no getting away from that even when they strictly deny it brain activity shows the complete opposite.

3. If animal homosexuality is evidence of human homosexuality being normal then is it normal for parents to kill their offspring and eat them too?

Do all Nigerians rely on slippery slope arguments? Nobody is saying the words "normal" we're saying natural. Homosexuality and a HUMAN eating their young aren't remotely synonymous,  Even the most loudest retard on this site (Sauron) could tell you that.

Yeah whatever lady,

Anyway y'all it has been a pleasure. Good night for now maybe catch y'all tomorrow.

We may disagree but ain't no reason we can't gather for a round of street fighter 4 or Tekken.

Good night (morning/ afternoon).

David, shut the f**k up.

1999 review by researcher Bruce Bagemihl completely blow your bullshit out of the water also Joan Roughgardenblew your bullshit out of the water.

I am a scientist I am not a biologist but I know several and I have witnessed the topic at hand and read the literature. What have you done? Nothing but flap your dumb ass lips.

Well I could proudly look at my son and say "I wasn't a bigot".

You can't can you Pataki?

I'm not telling you to back up MY argument you slowpoke. I'm telling you that you made an assertion however you are yet to provide evidence for your assertions. There is already a scientific consensus on the homosexuality within the natural world. You however are ignorant of this knowledge. So in order for you to not look like a bigger asshole than you are: I told you to at least pick up the rudiments of this scientific concensus. When told to do this you make excuses for not wanting to because you're a lazy dishonest slowpoke who feels he has to be disproved rather than meet the burden of proof despite being the one making the claims in the first place.

Where the f**k do you live? Backward land?

However what's really sad is when I actually provide the evidence, given that these things are 1. on video, and 2. written in peer reviewed literature. When met with these truths you just go on endless conspiracy theories and question the honesty of the writers and researchers. You're a lost cause, I'm surprised you haven't fogotten how to draw breath.

It seems you don't accept evidence unless it's evidence you accept. LOL convincing you of gravity must have been interesting, I bet you fell a lot.

Anywhoooooo the evidence is there, there are plenty of examples of homosexuality within the natural world and there are a number of scientific hypothesis and theories for it. You're obviously no scientist otherwise you wouldn't say soeme of the dumb shit you did.

Sagamite:
I will let the fact that you are not Othello slip by.  

Now to your "evidence".

Are you f**king kidding me?

Honestly. . . . . . . . . . .  are you f**king kidding me?

Are you really, really, really F**King kidding me? That was your evidence?

Did you by any chance get an Engineering degree from the same University as Othello?

I started laughing at 1.16 minutes when the commentator said the animals were "kissing".

You should me a clip of animals running around and caressing each other (with limited evidence of sex, male or females) and tell me that is your evidence that there are gay animals.

ARE YOU F**KING KIDDING ME.

Where the f**k is the ejaculation? Where the f**k is the indicator of which sex type they are? Where the f**k is your evidence they have chosen same sex partnership when there is an availability of opposite sex partnership?

Depsite the vast amount of animals we have in zoos all around the world, how the f**K has no one caught a case o homosexuality in the animals?

Can you tell me the name of the university that awards this engineering degree. It needs to be closed down.

Wow denial is a real bitch. This is the best he's got, "where's the ejactulation"? "Where's the indicator of which sex type they are"?

LMFAO damn this dude is comedy gold,

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/07/0722_040722_gayanimal.html

Sagamite:
You are making an argument and you are requesting your opponent to go and seek the facts to back up your arguments

Wow you actually made it seem like a hard thing to do. Baddriyah has already POSTED exactly what I directed you to go and research. You're the one who made the assertion that homosexuality was unnatural and that science hasn't observed it within the natural word and yet when told to go and review the evidence on an easily accessible website you fain laziness and ignorance and disinterest,  Is that sort of attitude some kind of political tactic I haven't heard about yet? It sure is easy to spot. It's also quite pathetic.

And you are talking about laziness? Is this how you got your engineering degree?

You are in absolutely no position to talk about laziness I'm most likely younger than you and I already have crammed as much recent and relevant scientific facts before I made any assertions. You on the other hand are rife with assertions and generalisations and yet have f*ck-all to back them up with except fallacies and double talk. What do you have a degree in? Bullshit?

I hope I don't have to utilise any engineering infrastructure you have a hand in. Gaddamnit.

Well given that you aren't a beacon of knowledge I can only conclude that your on some OTHER persons engineering prowess.

Go and get YOUR evidence and give me an opportunity to rubbish it without you having grounds to repudiate it. Don't know what they bloody teach in some engineering universities nowadays.

Bravo, it takes a good bullshit artist to convince themselves that making assertions and then relying on OTHER people to disprove their assertions is how discourse is run. As cute as it is watching you make more blind and bold assertions about my education you could be using the time to move your slothful fingers to research the information you claimed didn't exist.

Well, i give a f**k about people like you that advocate a virtually boundariless society. I bet the UK people wished they never listened to your type when they compare their society in the 60s to nowadays.

That's fine I never asked for your feelings so duly discarded. The sheer amount of the ad hominem attacks stemming from you is quite amazing though, you have all this time to waggle your assertions and yet absolutely no proof to back them up or even the effort to look into your original claims. Man you really are a piece of work I have to admit it's a rare sight for me to witness someone so full of shit however it's another rare sight to see someone so full of shit and not even know it.

my opposition to homosexuality is not bigotry. It is plain old moral standing.

Translation: bigotry. You are a bigot you've given plenty of evidence for that.

Definitely not the f**king ones you've been reading.

Then what right do you have to make misleading assertions like the ones you made earlier? Hah you really are just pissing all over your signature now.

I said: "Yep, we would have left it at the moral issue if not for the gay Mafia crusade that want to spread its acceptance by financial force and through weak propaganda."

There we go,  the bigotry you denied.

And you said I should go and read biology and it is conjecture.

Where is the sense?

You are either an expert of missing points or your stupid. Pick one. You made a claim about the naturality of homosexuality and I rebutted that with facts that you have access to. You refused to check into those facts, you went off on a tangent, you failed to meet the requirements of rational discourse.

You never gave any actual facts or peer reviewed papers, just arguments from ignorance, fallacious statements and conjecture, you misunderstood and then came off looking dumber than you needed to. There we go a summary even you should be able to understand.

Sho, are you debosky?

What does it matter, a good answer is a good answer.

I didn't know we have to create laws based on what is acceptable to and gives credibility to the English royal family. My apologies.

You missed the point so widely that I'm surprised you have arms to catch.

Incest has also been around since marriage ahs been around but yet you want to ban it and leave the risk of hereditary disease. Sounds unfair and unobjective to me. It seems you are willing to use other factors to judge it.

Incest based marriages? Well I don't remember opposing this however as I said before if it was two consenting adults then fine give them the same civil benefits as everyone else (they already do anyway). However since they know the implications of having  offspring no state or government need pay to support their offspring.

So then Incest should be allowed since possibility of disease is unavoidable. Then no argument is valid to block it except our moral disgust.

Hey if you REALLY want incest legalized then you're inclined to fight as hard as you want for it buddy I won't try to stop you, however I'm talking about an oppressed minority which is well spoken.

Sagamite:
Why don't you look into it for me and post it here since you already know where it is.

As I said go to you tube and type "gay animals" you'll find tons of it, even goggle search national geographic on the subject they have peer reviewed papers about this very thing. Your laziness should not be a reason for ignorance.

Not acceptable, not even in your open-minded-wanna-be western world. And rightfully so.

At least from this, I know where your arguments and moral fibre stands and I think your kind of approach is what has ruined UK and now they are just realising it.

No offence buddy but I could give a f**k about how you feel about my moral fibre, my moral fibre doesn't accommodate bigotry end of.

Not making sense. This is not an argument. More like drool.

READ A F**KING BOOK. Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean it doesn't make sense, if it doesn't make sense research it instead of just sitting here saying: Duuuuuh, it don't make no sense duhhhhh,

Sagamite:
Not compulsorily!!! Pakistani still do it til this day and are still one of the top 10 populous in the world.

There is a probability that it might, not it will. So if we are going to ban two consenting, loving adults blah blah blah hogwash based on that probability, then how come we are allowing people with severe hereditary diseases marry and not incestors since both have a probability of creating deformed children.

You know why? Because based on our morals we are disgusted by incest and banned only it. And rightfully so.

You have still not responded to you "claims" in animals.

I addressed all you had to say, he need not reply. However you misdiagnose why humans have spurned incest.


Most if not ALL of nature rejects incest because of the ill-effects of inbreeding. Cheetahs unfortunately have a tiny genetic pool which has resulted in their high death tolls during birth.

Allowing people with hereditary diseases to be married? Because people with hereditary disease have been getting married since marriage has been around. People with positions of power often had hereditary diseases, they therefore have been able to decide whom and who does not have the right. It'll be a little hypocritical for someone like Henry the 8th and the entire royal family to ban people from marrying when they themselves have a a plethora of hereditary diseases.

Humans in general have genetic diseases that are encoded into our DNA under your warped thinking we would all not be allowed to be married.

Lol dude you need to brush up on your biology and sociology, you are clearly not qualified to be having this discussion.

Sauron you're a violent "spatic" being,

The world is suffering from over-population you''d think that homosexuality would be a heterosexuals dream scenario of the competition.


More women (or men in the case of women) for me.

Sagamite:
People have claimed?

Claimed? So why have we not seen it?

You need look no further than YOUTUBE for proof of how gay nature is. From fish to bears engage in what can only be described as homosexuality. Even when there are plenty of females. It's a scientific fact that homosexuality is very very natural.

You think if there is evidence of it, the western media run by gays and their supporters (e.g. BBC) would not have done a documentary on it and shoved it in our face to convince more of us to accept it like you?

Hmm you betray your signature. Now you're just spouting conjecture. It's very beneath you and a testament to how this topic ahas forced you to back pedal and sacrifice intelligence in favour of antiquated beliefs.

Silly argument.

Again, just conjecture, Got to do better than nuh uh, and "is too".

And what about incestors, they can make judgement, so why don't we allow it?

What a fallacy! Dude why are you resorting to a slippery slope argument!? That is NOT the height of discourse however to answer: There should be laws against non-consenting adults or participants. If for instance a father does it to his daughter he should be charged as a criminal as well as mother to son, However if a sister and brother or even sister and sister or brother and brother decide (as two consenting adults) that is what they want to do then so be it. They are not a threat to national security. They will be ostracised from society anyway but they should be afforded the same rights as anybody else because they are two consenting adults.

Yep, we would have left it at the moral issue if not for the gay Mafia crusade that want to spread its acceptance by financial force and through weak propaganda.

Your descent into conjecture is embarrassing, come correct or don't come at anybody at all. I'm an engineer and I dabble in biology I could show you evidence should you be willing to accept it.

@ Sauron, boy I would have never thought of something like:

~Sauron~:
Shut up you cunt. . . . . .
Intel says u fantasise about vegetables. . . . .Like cucumbers and bananas having unprotected sex with you.

BOY


You have to be EXTRA gay to think of some lewd s**t like that.

Who do you think you are Sauron? My Gay fairy God Mother!? Damn dude, you are graphic with your descriptions , you must be into some unspeakable ish,

Sagamite:
This is one of the worst arguments I see frequently.

Debosky, how does non-acceptance homosexuality appear linked to racism? You have been guggling what Peter Thatchel and Stonewall has been feeding you to claim credibility.

One is based on superiority and the other deviancy. Completely different, non-mutual platforms.

What next? You will be comparing paedophile rights to civil rights?

Actually his argument was perfect in its form. It is a perfectly valid analogy.

One is based on superiority because the NORM was that blacks were inferior. However the NORM changed when the attitudes towards the label changed. It's amazing that someone like yourself cannot see that,

Labelling homosexuality as deviancy is just another ways of calling it "inferior" in which case you are claiming superiority. It's very simple.

onye_ngbu:
oya, you are number 1.

Reason= you are the only one who has constantly used the word heteros for straight people, not that its a crime but i tell a lot about you.

You claimed to be an engaged lady and thats another proof. Ask me how

Do you still want me to point out more of your people? its weekend, perhaps  

Wow, you would have failed forensic science class in a heart beat with your lack of empirical evidence. I just happen to be the man she's engaged to.

~Sauron~:
I have told you where you belong.

What you say to me means absolutely nothing.

U should chair the next meeting of the association of mental-handicaps.

Yeah I'll be in that seat next to your mother. She obviously passed on something hereditary. You might want to get a PET scan.

Why am i even trading words with a gay? Your masculinity is questionable. . . . .

You're most likely the gayer out of us two. There's plenty of evidence for that. In the next line you'll give a litmus test into the psychology of the "gay"

The thought of a woman laying next to you threatens you. . . . .All you see when u look at grapes is testicles.

See what I mean? When you see vegetables and fruits you associate them with the male anatomy. Sauron you seem to be in the possession of latent gay feelings. You seem to project an overwhelming amount of hatred and sorry that is a common feature of those whom are just projecting their own mental states on to other people.

Go and sort your accursed life. . . . .400 years ago, they woulda taken you to see Sigmund Freud to straighten out your screwed-up life.

Yet again you project. You are most likely a closet "gay" Sauron. You probably realized this when your dad or uncle beat you during your childhood and took out your frustrations on the women around you,  or when you felt different when in the changing room with boys. I dunno what your life story is but I bet these generalizations have some sort of validity in your life.

God made ADAM and EVE.
gays are fighting for ADAM and stEVE!!!

God made Ad,  What!? What are you some kind of fundamentalist slowpoke?

LMFAO where's our resident crackhead Sauron to shout "NIGGER LOVER" when you need him?

Is it that inconceivable that straight people oppose bigotry when they see it?

Mauron= waste of time, ad hominem attacks aren't worth my time. The only helpful thing you could really do is commit suicide and save the Earth some oxygen. You have contributed nothing but bigotry, you're quite removalable.

@DRANOEL: Are you retarded? You seem retarded. Look I don't need to put qualifiers on it but you really seem retarded. Come on grow up join the grown folks in the living room. That kind of idiocy is beneath me and I would hope: beneath you.

DRANOEL:
you again,you are turning me on,i'm having a h*rd on for you,too bad unlike other girls you dont know the joy a h*rd on can give a girl,i recommend you try a good one from either calabar or benue and then maybe you will drop this gay thing of yours

Badriyyah is actually my fiance I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't talk to her like that. I won't tell you again.

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U need to take a hard look at yourself before you say one more word.
What intelligent remark have u made all day rather than rant endlessly with no iota of nous in your drivel.

Mother f**ker what intelligent remark have YOU made? So far you've argued almost exclusively with fallacies and with nothing more than an air of psychopathic delusions of the world and people around you. Man you'd be entertaining at parties with a couple of balloons and vodka.

GAY marriage is so unAFRICAN. Y'all gays should live with it.

Democracy IS UNAFRICAN, Technology is UNAFRICAN but does that mean it shouldn't be implemented within African societies? I've been here for an hour and 20 minutes or so and so far you've struck me as the most illogical moronic person on this site. It's hard to tolerate someone who spills the kind of unapologetic psychotic, dangerous diatribe you do. However I would NEVER want you to be physically hurt. However you don't have that moral standing about your opposition because you're moral compass is spinning wildly out of control. You should heed your own advice and look long and deep at your self, so far you seem like a superstitious twit who is so ridiculous I have a hard time accepting you seriously. You seem to be in such a hurry to drag Africa kicking and screaming into the dark ages of barbarism and tyranny. I'm not gay at all, in fact my girl friend is on this very website and directed me here just to see the "local wild life" She said I should look for someone called Mauron and it turns out it's actually Sauron however Mauron seems more apt as a noun for you.

Seriously you are a social retard whom really, really needs to take some sort of sensitivity class.

LMFAO Sauron seems more interested other peoples sexual appetites than his own. I bet he likes to "watch" every now and then.

Voyeuristic tendences are coming out like teenage kids in Belgium.

I nominate Sauron as the Chief of police of sexual release.

~Sauron~:
Heap of applesauce. . . .
If we legalise GAY marriage in Nigeria, what will stop people in another 10 years to marry their Bentleys or Jeeps??
Are we going to fold our arms and say it's not our business too??
Why devalue marriage in the name of human right??

I quoted this because everybody needs to know exactly what smoking crack makes you say.

Got any more intelligent slipper slope arguments you want to make sauron?

Well despite our differences on the issue I don't want anybody to suffer, I just want us to UNDERSTAND each other and other people. The world can be a great place should we communicate about subjects. I respect anyody who is willing to compromise and discuss without inciting violence against the opposition.

I'll be around for a while so let's see what y'all got.

Well I've only been here for 1hour and I have to admit it has been a wild ride. Y'all are certainly an interesting bunch to talk to.

LOL wow I'm glad I found Nairaland, this place is a hub of psychopaths.