De-Grace01:
that is true also undisputable but the problem here is ur understanding of this passage otherwise why do u visit the sick and pray for him or her?

frosbel:

Fa fa Foul !!

Tithing is out of the equation. Tithing is not a condition for salvation, never was and never will be .

Ijogz K: Flee from every appearance of evil.. They are Cultist go and watch their history and you would be shocked.... Father ko mother ni.. Awon Gaaay oshii!!!

Ptolomeus:
Simple.
Catchment of fools by the pastor.
This ensures the collection of tithes ...

ishmael: Yes, u're correct. That's why the Apostle Paul did not emphasize on it. It's a jewish law and doctrine, and not for christians.

joe4christ:

Read your bible mal 3:8 Those who dont tithe are called rubbers, not even rubbing men but God and you think a rubber can enter God's place of rest?
Do you think the tithe goes to God or maybe God is in need of it for his personal use of course not but when you dont tithe u hinder God's work on earth, have u forgotten the bible says in mal 3:10 that we should bring ye all the tithe into his house (church) that there might be enough in his house (church) and have you forgotten the bible says a worker deserves his wages? So how can pastors be paid when we refuse to pay our tithe, we acknowledge God being our source in words but not ready to obey his command in malachi 3:10 is'nt that robbing God?
Now you tell me how a robber would inherit the kingdom of God talk more of someone who is robbing God. Think again bro!

psoto: Just τ̅☺ set some things which I have read clear, I can't start quoting anyway.
Firstly, Catholics don't worship Mary, but honour her for being the mother of Our Saviour, Jesus Christ. If we can honour our earthly mother, how much more, the mother of He who brought salvation τ̅☺ us.
Secondly, Catholics are baptised I̶̲̥̅̊n̶̲̥̅̊ the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit; not I̶̲̥̅̊n̶̲̥̅̊ the name of Mary, a saint and the Pope!
Thirdly, The Word of God, the Bible, is read I̶̲̥̅̊n̶̲̥̅̊ the Catholic Church and even prayed with.
Someone said Celibacy is for demons or something, are you trying τ̅☺ say Paul was working for demons and also encouraging it by saying that those that can make sacrifice of marriage for the work of God should?
I'll advice us τ̅☺ ask questions about things we don't know and are curious about.

booqee: Well op follow ur heart. Beht sorry oh, i'm no fan of the catholic church. One tin i detest most about their doctrine is d way they give unnecessary honour to Mary...they rever her even more dan the Almighty. Wtf??

ishmael: Malachi? I can't find that in my new testament Bible bro. Are u sure the prophecies of Malachi were for christians? What about the laws of Moses? Why won't christians observe and keep them too?

booqee: the bible says all honour and glory be given to only The Almighty, it doesn't matter if d person gave birth to the Messiah.
Ok, if at all we go by ur postulation, why don't you honour joseph as well, His earthly father, although we know he never had anything to do with d conception Christ??

psoto: Just τ̅☺ set some things which I have read clear, I can't start quoting anyway.
Firstly, Catholics don't worship Mary, but honour her for being the mother of Our Saviour, Jesus Christ. If we can honour our earthly mother, how much more, the mother of He who brought salvation τ̅☺ us.
Secondly, Catholics are baptised I̶̲̥̅̊n̶̲̥̅̊ the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit; not I̶̲̥̅̊n̶̲̥̅̊ the name of Mary, a saint and the Pope!
Thirdly, The Word of God, the Bible, is read I̶̲̥̅̊n̶̲̥̅̊ the Catholic Church and even prayed with.
Someone said Celibacy is for demons or something, are you trying τ̅☺ say Paul was working for demons and also encouraging it by saying that those that can make sacrifice of marriage for the work of God should?
I'll advice us τ̅☺ ask questions about things we don't know and are curious about.

booqee: Well op follow ur heart. Beht sorry oh, i'm no fan of the catholic church. One tin i detest most about their doctrine is d way they give unnecessary honour to Mary...they rever her even more dan the Almighty. Wtf??

De-Grace01:
that is true also undisputable but the problem here is ur understanding of this passage otherwise why do u visit the sick and pray for him or her? you are doing it cos is the right thing to do as a mediator James 5 vs 14 to 16.

solemate:

My brother, you are the only true christian in this forum, may God Bless you

psoto:
You've answered your question.

TroGunn:

Reality is that Catholics worship Mary. The number of images and sculptures of Mary in their churches attests to this.

ijawkid:

Remember I said that james quoted applied to those who were alive....

U were insisting that u needed d scripture that clearly says Jesus is not only the high priest of the most HIGH but also a mediator between man and GOD.....that's why I put up 1 timothy 2:5....


Now as regards james 4:13-15 my question is::::

DOES THAT SCRIPTURE APPLY TO DEAD SAINTS ??

It is true that we shuld pray for each Óther as christians,but doe§ that include d dead??

Can d dead pray for u or can it intÉrcede for u??that's d question....

D moment u feel mary who is dead o® aÑy other saint who is dead can interceÐe for u then u'v just delved into ancestral worship...

Shikena.....

TroGunn:

True talk. Tithing is not for christians. It was part of the laws of Moses. It's now used by fraudulent pastors to fleece the ignorant. The laws of Moses is not for Christians, though informative - Eph 2:15. It's no mistake that tithing was not mentioned as being for Christians by Jesus or the Apostles. Christians are to give based on their heart - 2Corinthinas 9:7 (Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful.)

De-Grace01:

l am back, your insinuation here shows that you dont believe in life after death, anyone who died in Christ is not dead but transitted to life after. l ask u again what happened in Mk 9:2- 13 is it a mistake. Moses and Elijah appeared to Jesus and prayed with him, for the dead brethren the life in fellowship continue.

joe4christ:

You and i know that it is scriptural to pray for the sick for even our perfect example which is christ jesus did thesame and empowered us to do more, apostles of christ did that too and even do more, but they never condone or teach anyone praying through them or through any other means be it mary or anyone except through the name of Jesus christ. Check the scriptures for yourself.

we're not saying all this to make you feel only penticostals are truely following God, no, that is not true, christianity from beginning was never a religion, it was a fellowship of brethren known by the world as ''The People Of The Way'' while spiritually known as ''The Body Of Christ''.

All this denominations we see nowadays are just of human origin, in heaven and before God there is no denomination before him and in his place of rest...
All things might change but only one thing has not and cannot ever change forever and that is the word of God (The Bible) that is God's standard for humanity, and the entire world both christian and muslike alike will all be judged by it, and that's why i always advice you spend time with the word of God and ask the holy spirit to reveal the truth of the kingdom of God to you and he will.
Remember Jesus talked about the false prophet and the apostles including peter and paul with john all prophecied their coming and how they are going to twist the word of God for their own benefits, and that's exactly what is going on with the church of this generation.
Only the word of God is reliable and trustworthy, enough has been said here already, let him who have ears hear what the spirit is saying the his church.

my bro do we talk about twisting the bible when you are yet to understand it, at the begining l asked you a very important question which u avoided till now, if mediator and mediation is not neccessary why do u go to the pastors or ask those u call brethren to pray for u. when Peter was in prison the church gathered and pray for his release. the same communium exist btw dead christian and the living christian.
Peace!!!

De-Grace01:


then if it ends their what is ur pastors doing in ur church, jesus is the only way no compromise, but i will like u to read Luke chapter 17 vs 4, jesus did not eradicate the human part in the work of salvation, this is why he instituted the apostleship and even the church in the first place. what mary does is to interceed for us in the name of Jesus Christ ok. [/b]also read Mtt. 18 vs 18 to 19, Jesus still give the power to his apostles.
What do u understand about the great commission, mtt 28 vs 18 to 20, Jesus gave this authority to us not that we take his position but the bible said that we are co-heirs with Christ

De-Grace01:
my bro do we talk about twisting the bible when
you are yet to understand it, at the begining l asked
you a very important question which u avoided till
now, if mediator and mediation is not neccessary
why do u go to the pastors or ask those u call
brethren to pray for u. when Peter was in prison
the church gathered and pray for his release. [size=15pt]the
same communium exist btw dead christian and the
living christian.
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Peace!!!

joe4christ:

You and i know that it is scriptural to pray for the sick for even our perfect example which is christ jesus did thesame and empowered us to do more, apostles of christ did that too and even do more, but they never condone or teach anyone praying through them or through any other means be it mary or anyone except through the name of Jesus christ. Check the scriptures for yourself.

we're not saying all this to make you feel only penticostals are truely following God, no, that is not true, christianity from beginning was never a religion, it was a fellowship of brethren known by the world as ''The People Of The Way'' while spiritually known as ''The Body Of Christ''.

All this denominations we see nowadays are just of human origin, in heaven and before God there is no denomination before him and in his place of rest...
All things might change but only one thing has not and cannot ever change forever and that is the word of God (The Bible) that is God's standard for humanity, and the entire world both christian and muslike alike will all be judged by it, and that's why i always advice you spend time with the word of God and ask the holy spirit to reveal the truth of the kingdom of God to you and he will.
Remember Jesus talked about the false prophet and the apostles including peter and paul with john all prophecied their coming and how they are going to twist the word of God for their own benefits, and that's exactly what is going on with the church of this generation.
Only the word of God is reliable and trustworthy, enough has been said here already, let him who have ears hear what the spirit is saying the his church.

Peace!!!

frosbel:

Wrong !!!


Mary interceeds for no one !!!!

Only Jesus Christ as our High Priest is qualified for this task, stick to the bible friend, reject tradition.

"Therefore he is able to save completely those who come to God through him, because he always lives to intercede for them." - Hebrews 7:25

How can Mary also be interceding for us , are the intercessions of Jesus Christ not sufficient

De-Grace01:


dont run away less face the truth ok. the bible you even quoting was compiled by the catholic church, today you claim to know it more than them. come up wt ur argue tell me y the picture of ur pastor and the wife in the front of the church in a very large billboard and even inside your church, is a pity.