Busta:

I am soooooo curious about the church brotherhood of the cross and star----any member in here?

anybody know anything about the Olumba Olumba Church?

good or bad?
evil or good?

heard so many stories about the church.

jerrymania:

Busta, u've heard stories and they are all bad, so they r bad period. what else do want to know? or how olumba sleept with his different female church members? or how they witchhunt fallen out members?

zedkya:

my uncle is in the brotherhood of the cross and star,in south africa, I'm really worried about him, he needs medical attention but they wont let him go to a doctor or hospital
any suggestions

Busta:

I am soooooo curious about the church brotherhood of the cross and star----any member in here?

anybody know anything about the Olumba Olumba Church?

good or bad?
evil or good?

heard so many stories about the church.

jerrymania:

why do u want to know when the only stories u've heard are all bad. what truth r u lookin for again?

grafikdon:

I love the way the fuse African beats in their praise and worship music. I think they literally bounce in da Lord, African style. There was a branch behind our apartment in Awka (Don't know if it is still there). I used to enjoy their morning devotion music. . . I think it is an interesting church and I like their style of 'Jesus musical'. . . very mesmerizing when they break out with the drums. . . you either shake what your mama gave ya or nod behind closed doors.

Mewuoki:

The Nigerian Society is so funny a place that we accept information without verification. People, in the name of "trying to be current" will misinform the society and we will never verify these rumours. I have grew up to hear so many things about olumba olumba, many of these stories are not even verified and i live very close to these people, I personally have to investigate these things and found out that most of these are propagandas raised by top public figures to show down on the Church. While Newspapers picked on every forms of lies to make money selling fake stories about olumba, the so called born against also used these stories to buy members to themselves.One of the stories was that Olumba sucks Blood, and yet more people are rushing to the Church, are they not affraid of their blood be sucked. By conclusion, i know its difficult to quench rumours but i believe this the 21st century and we have information gadgets and systems that can be used in effective findings either to exposed or bring to light the activities of Sects, Churches and even individuals, Lets make use of these systems, Instate of reprinting what u hear without verifications.

zedkya:

hi wuciwug thanks for your recent info it was very helpful, although it has made me even more concerned about my uncle.
the people at the brotherhood have told him that he is a prophet and that he doesn't need to see a doctor as olumba olumba obu will heal him. he lives in south africa, although he is in england at the moment for a few days, he has come back to get access to more money! he once had his own restaurant and was doing quite well for himself but lost everything including his home here in england when he joined ther brotherhood 18 years ago. any bit of money he gets goes to them and he drinks nothing but undiluted squash as he believes it is pure fruit juice because this is what they have told him. they also tell him that he must love O.O.O more than his wife,brothers and children and so has no pretty much abandoned his whole family. he is completely on his own out there. he has hernia and we believe he may have cateracts but as i say is not allowed to seek medical attention. 18years ago when he joined the brotherhood his wife joined too but when she realised that they were not genuine she voiced her opinions and they then turned on her convincing my uncle that she was trying to do him wrong of some sort, they placed their hands on her forehead and screamed saying that she was on fire (which i think means she is the devil). this is what they have told my uncle anyway. it seems that this particular sect are frauds! you said you were in the brothehood, may i ask why you are no longer a member?

poetikalz:

@mewuoki
How are you so sure of what you are saying?How do you know if its harmful or not or devil's advocate or not?Have you met him?Did you eat with him?Please don't say things that you don't knw about him.Or are yu trying to initiate new converts into there using this forum(if thats your agenda,am very sure am amongst those that wont roll along with you?).Keep your mouth shut and stop supporting things you know nada about.Let the wucci or whatever his name is herald his master and church.

zedkya:

hi again wuciwug.

just figured out what your name stands for,i like it

i have arranged to meet with my uncle next week and as you seem like a very genuine kind person i was wondering if there is any other way i can contact you and if it would be at all possible for you to chat with him as you seem to be our only lifeline and only chance of making him see that these people are frauds.

my aunt lives in london,uk so if he was to come back to england permanently he would be residing there with her so maybe you could also give him some advice on where he could find a genuine brotherhood church.

i know its a long shot but i could do with your help we are desperate to help him but he will not listen to us but with you being a member of the brotherhood i am sure he will listen to you.

please help if you can it would mean the world to us

Nimshi:

Hi wuciwug,

thank you for your contributions. It is a new perspective to obtain information by one who understands the Brotherhood. My contact with the Brotherhood has only been through a family I know who've been members for along time. I understood they were/are Christians, but we never bothered to discuss religion. Until one day a little even (not an unpleasant one, I should add) made it clear to me they were members of the Brotherhood. It didn't change a thing because, from all I know about this family, it wouldn't have mattered: their children are well-adjusted, we've had small parties where everyone played badminton and other sports together, they are helpful, respectful, pleasant and all you'D like in a any good family. The parents are always fair in their dealings, and my experience has been that they'll go out of their way to help people; this last fact has resulted in people taking advantage of them.

When we needed their assistance, they gave willingly of their time and other resources. And although I've heard nothing good about the Brotherhood prior to meeting this family (rumours of demons, witches, cult-ish practices and other fantastic reports that one would suspect couldn't be plausibly true. . . ), my interaction with them has been a blessing and a blast of fresh air, confirming the wise position of not making judgements about people from hearsay. Yet, could it be that this one family are an exception? Now, I will submit that no one group could be all bad; and that it is difficult to get a good understanding of religious organisations without being involved. But, if there's no smoke without a fire (and I agree that could be smoke without a fire) why is it that the Brotherhood have had so much bad pres

I have invited my friend to take a look at this thread. Nothing that will be discussed will change the impression I have formed of him and his family; they are good people. The practice of their faith (irrespective of the teachings and doctrines and other beliefs) is at a level that so high that many 'regular' Christians wouldn't even meet up to it. I am interested in the teachings of the Brotherhood, and was hoping that you would perhaps be willing to answer some questions? If not on this open thread, it could be in private . . .

Cheers.

Nimshi:

Hi again wuciwug: thanks for your response. It is encouraging to hear that you're willing to address things in the open. Some of the question could sound ridiculous, but I hope you'D bear up. The questioning may also appear to be random, I hope you'D be able to accommodate that; this is no interrogation . . .

1) Is it true that you guys enter your places of worship with your backs facibg the door?
2) Follow-up on 1): have there been occasions where the backside-in style is ever done?
3) Did Olumba Olumba Obu (henceforth OOO) pronounce himself God and/or one fo the Trinity?
4) Is it true that for over 50 years OOO never left the premises of the Brotherhood place of worship in Calabar?
5) Is it correct that OOO taught that since Jesus had only 3 years for his ministry on earth, it was not possible for many other things to be revealed and that he, OOO, embodies other revelations?
6) Did OOO teach that salvation can be attained by obeying instructions from himself?
7) I understand that members of the Brotherhood must be vegans/vegetarians; is this true? If yes, why?
8 ) What about the consumption of alcohol and alcoholic beverages, is this allowed?
9) What about medicines? Are (some) common medicines restricted? If yes, why?
10) What about injections: intravenous and/or intramuscular? Are these restricted?
11) What roles ahev the members of OOO's family played within the brotherhood?
12) Has OOO and/or the Brotherhood made any unfulfilled prophecies?

Let's stop at 12, it being a special number
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Nimshi – Before I proceed to answer you questions, you must realize somewhat that this could be a futile exercise, why? Most people will not comprehend my responses; neither will they find it acceptable.  It's almost impossible to convince anyone of anything (let alone a Christian trying to convince a Muslim of each others' belief systems), all that can be done is to try to understand why someone has certain beliefs and not necessarily accept what they believe in.

To make sense of brotherhood requires understanding the role of Christ in respect to the Scribes and Pharisees. Christ was considered a radical. He was not accepted by "established religion". Thousands of years later, we can now all openly claim Christ and pledge our allegiance to him. Now we can openly proclaim his name, which was not previously possible. Contrary to popular belief, any and every gospel or teaching from Olumba is always based on the teachings of Christ and the contents of the bible. The unique difference about what Olumba does is that he expands on all of Christ's teachings and the contents of the bible, taking spiritual understanding to a whole new level.

In my opinion, you can draw lines of comparison between brotherhood now and the followers of Christ then. We go against the grain and are considered radical and unacceptable by orthodox Christianity. To the outsider, brotherhood is demonic, ungodly and anti-Christian, but to the true brotherhood member, we are true Christians following the teachings of Christ having being privileged to witness the manifestation of Christ's teachings and prophesy. True members of brotherhood are neither perfect nor saints, but we do try our best to live up to what we believe in. If you were not previously aware we were brotherhood members, you will easily find us acceptable. That is until you find out that we are brotherhood members. Any and all good done by a brotherhood member then becomes questionable and unacceptable! Why? Because when such a person or people find out that we are brotherhood, they find that they have to convince themselves that we are evil because accepting our good as good, means there is something good about brotherhood! And that in itself becomes unacceptable!

3.   Did Olumba Olumba Obu (henceforth OOO) pronounce himself God and/or one of the Trinity?

Olumba never speaks about himself as God neither as the Holy Spirit. Neither did Christ ever refer to himself as God or the Holy Spirit or even the Creator, despite the fact that he was and is. Christ's followers and disciples attributed or ascribed various titles to his deity, but only those (only a handful of people) alive then truly knew whom Christ was and they knew by divine revelation.

Likewise, we the true followers of Olumba, by divine grace and mercy realize and acknowledge the true personality of Olumba Olumba Obu.  He has no law or commandments other than that which Christ gave us, love ye one another as he Christ loves us. Olumba teaches us about Christ from a much deeper level than can possibly be imagined. So based the spiritual mysteries he continues to unravel and explain, we know and believe that when he speaks about God or the Holy Spirit, that he indirectly speaks of himself.

Ordinarily I don't go about telling people that Olumba is God or the Holy Spirit because it's my personal revelation; neither should any brotherhood member do this, but some, if not many do.  But if you out rightly ask me who I think he is I will tell you what I think and the reasoning behind my understanding and belief.

4.    Is it true that for over 50 years OOO never left the premises of the Brotherhood place of worship in Calabar?

This is true! Olumba has never left the shores of Nigeria to go anywhere. We have bethels all over Nigeria and not once has he set foot in any bethel outside two main locations in Calabar (and there are many other locations in Calabar he has never set foot inside of), much less abroad where brotherhood is firmly established.

5.   Is it correct that OOO taught that since Jesus had only 3 years for his ministry on earth, it was not possible for many other things to be revealed and that he, OOO, embodies other revelations?

I wouldn't quite phrase this way, but yes going by the Scriptures, Christ said, I have yet many things to teach you but you cannot understand or receive them now, but when the Spirit of Truth comes, he will guide you into all truth. See John 16: 12 – 16 for the full reading.  Preferably use the KJV (Kings James Version) or the NKJV (New Kings James Version). These are quite explicit. . .

6.    Did OOO teach that salvation can be attained by obeying instructions from himself?

Olumba teaches that when we follow the teachings of the Holy Spirit, we are able to overcome the flesh and we gain eternal life. Overcoming the flesh is overcoming anger, annoyance, hate, envy, malice, jealousy, selfishness, fornication, adultery etc. There's only one law in brotherhood, love. Every other thing comes under the umbrella of love. Love does not force or compel you to do anything.  Love for example, presents the facts and reasons why smoking is not good for you, but love will not take cigarettes away from you, ostracise or alienate you, simply because you are yet to give up a vice. Every vice is a weakness and to some greater or lesser degree, an addiction. Addictions or habits are not formed overnight; neither will a cure, in most cases be found overnight. God gives us time to heal.

7.   I understand that members of the Brotherhood must be vegans/vegetarians; is this true? If yes, why?

Not all members are vegan or vegetarian. Those who have been blessed with the ability are. Those who have not been given the ability, yet still eat meat and all that they find pleasing to their stomachs. I don't eat meat or any animal flesh, yet my wife and kids do. What you eat or do not eat does not make you a better person or Christian. As absurd as it may seem and at variance with popular consensus, the bible actually tells us that in the beginning God intended for both man and animals to be vegetarians/vegans. It wasn't until Adam and Eve fell from grace that Man and animal knew chaos.  They all now had to eat flesh. Similarly, God's initial plan was not for man to toil before he eats or for women to suffer through child-birth.

8.   What about the consumption of alcohol and alcoholic beverages, is this allowed?

Just like all issues in brotherhood, we are taught about the things that grieve the Spirit.  On a spiritual level, these are things that would hinder our direct link with the Holy Spirit, while on a physical level; alcohol has been proven to have adverse effects on the body. On the whole everyone is quick to jump at any chance to quote the bible passage that says one should drink in moderation, but no one highlights the passage that tell you that in order to be holy you should abstain from any type of alcoholic drink!
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11.   What roles have the members of OOO's family played within the brotherhood?

Brotherhood is not a family business that creates positions for the owners children.  If you make yourself a vessel fit for God's use then by all means you are a child of God. If you are a child of God, then you are a child of light. If you are a child of light, then God will make good use of you. Christ said only those who do the will of my Father are my brethren. God does not recognise mother, father, brother or sister or relatives! All that is important is for us to allow love guide our paths, so that God's name will be praised.

12.  Has OOO and/or the Brotherhood made any unfulfilled prophecies?

Olumba never makes or gives prophesies, he makes pronouncements and they have all come to pass. All prophesies given or approved by the Olumba have all been fulfilled. The only prophesy that matters in brotherhood are those given directly by those he approves.

Chrisbenogor:

Me I have learnt loads too oh , the only thing I knew was that they used to do weird things so whenever I saw them doing some sort of fellowship I was always on the look out for funny stuff.

Please to add to nimshi's questions about alcohol why is that of alcohol encouraged and the instructions to stone people who do not obey certain commandments fail to be enforced?