frosbel: appears this trinity bogus doctrine is so easy to understand , hence we need a plethora of teachers, books, courses and seminars to explain it !!

So much for the simplicity of scripture !

OLAADEGBU: Here is another powerful verse:

"And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory."(1 Timothy 3:16)

"God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit." "The Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us" (John 1:14), and was "declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the Spirit of holiness" (Romans 1:4).

You can see here that this couplet relates Christ's human/divine nature. His humanity was evident to all and His divinity was declared through the Spirit.

frosbel: ^^^^^

No longer a mystery, the answer in the part b of the sentence.

He was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit." "The Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us" (John 1:14), and was "declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the Spirit of holiness"

And it is all about the sacrificial death of Christ for the sins of mankind not for the comprehension of some mysterious dogma.

OLAADEGBU:

The fact that you can't comprehend that God was manifested in the flesh is the reason why it is still mysterious to you. The Deity of Christ is not mysterious to those who has received the revelation by faith.

OLAADEGBU: Blind Hearts
September 19, 2012

"Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart." (Ephesians 4:18 ).

It is a tragedy for a person to have blinded eyes, but infinitely worse to have a blinded heart. No one ever willfully chooses to be sightless, but spiritual blindness is a product of the human will.

After Christ had given sight to the man born blind, the Pharisees still refused to believe, so Jesus said to them, "For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind. . . . If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth" (John 9:39, 41).

Like these ancient intellectuals, it often seems that modern intellectuals are incurably blind. They profess to teach science and philosophy of the highest complexity, but their understanding is darkened and their hearts are blinded when it comes to the saving gospel of Jesus Christ. As Paul says: "If our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them" (2 Corinthians 4:3-4).

Even very religious people, people who believe in God as Creator, may blind themselves when confronted with the truth that the Creator must also become their Saviour. "But their minds were blinded . . . even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart" (2 Corinthians 3:14-15).

Nevertheless, Christ came as "the light," and when anyone will simply in faith "turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away" (2 Corinthians 3:16), and the gospel will "shine unto them" (2 Corinthians 4:4). HMM

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OLAADEGBU:

Could some people who consider themselves Christians today still be blind regarding the divine nature of God? Your guess is as good as mine.

His Son's Name

"Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his Son's name, if thou canst tell" (Proverbs 30:4).

The obvious answer to these rhetorical questions must centre in God, the Creator of all things. But the fascinating revelation in this Old Testament passage is that God has a Son and that both have names.

When Moses asked God His name, "God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM . . . This is my name for ever" (Exodus 3:14-15). Later, Moses, in his song of deliverance said: "The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name" (Exodus 15:3). The name Lord (Hebrew Jehovah or Yahweh) means, essentially, "I am, the self-existent one."

As far as His Son's name is concerned, it is revealed in Scripture in many ways. In the Old Testament prophecy, "His name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace" (Isaiah 9:6). How remarkable that a "Son is given" who is also named the mighty God and everlasting Father!

In His incarnation, the angel commanded Joseph, "Thou shalt call his name JESUS" ("Jehovah saves" ), but he also said, "They shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us" (Matthew 1:21, 23).

There are many other titles by which the Son of God is identified, but perhaps the most significant are noted in connection with His final return in triumph. "His name is called The Word of God" (Revelation 19:13), identifying Him as both eternal Creator and incarnate Saviour (John 1:1-3, 14). As our eternal King, "he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS" (Revelation 19:16). HMM

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OLAADEGBU:

The Jews also thought that Jesus Christ was speaking blasphemy when He said that He was the Son of God, they said He makes Himself to be God. What makes you different from the Pharisees and Sadducees?

frosbel:

The Jews did not think he was GOD but a god.

Hence the following reaction and conclusion from Christ.

Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your Law, 'I have said you are gods'? If he called them 'gods,' to whom the word of God came--and the Scripture cannot be broken--what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, 'I am God's Son'?

Always remember that the original languages were agnostic with regard to the capitalisation of letters , so don't go rushing off translating everywhere you see GOD to mean ONLY Yahweh , a typical case in point Hebrews 1:8.


Here we see :

1. They accused Jesus of making or equating himself to a god
2. Jesus responded , quite logically so , that in the ancient times the judges of Israel were also referred to as gods
3. And he was wondering why they were mad at him based on point 2.
4. He concluded by saying he was GOD's SON.

Look at point 4 carefully , this was the right time for Jesus to say 'I am GOD' , instead he said , 'I am the Son of God '.


My friend you have to start studying the bible for yourself and stop following false prophets , and parroting their gibberish !!

frosbel: ^^^

Could it be that you do not get it because your belief is hinged on tradition and not truth.

Why, am I surprised, seeing that you hold onto other various forms of false doctrines , which you keep spreading like a virus resulting in the prevention of people from coming into the kingdom of GOD.

GOD's word is TRUTH , not deeperlife man made doctrines !!

Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And you do many things like that." - Mark 7:13

"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the kingdom of heaven in men's faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to - Matthew 23:13

Believing in a Trinity is Paganism !!

I believe in ONE true GOD , not a multiplication of Persons.

Jesus And The Sons Of God

"I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High." (Psalm 82:6)

This relatively little-known 82nd psalm is actually quite important. Both in this verse and in the first verse, a group of men are actually called "gods." The Hebrew word is elohim, which is almost always translated "God." (as, for example, in Genesis 1:1). It is a uniplural noun, however, with specific usage depending on context, sometimes referring also to angels or false gods, or even, as here, to human judges who act as God’s representatives in judicial decisions.

The Lord Jesus Himself indicated its importance when He cited it in defense of His own claim to be the Son of God. "Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? If He called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the Scripture cannot be broken; Say ye of Him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?" (John 10:34–36).

As the great Creator God sent His word into the world through human "gods," so He finally sent His living word into the world. The Lord Jesus had not only claimed to be the Son of God; He was the Son of God. He had repeatedly demonstrated this fact in both word and deed, but His enemies still arrogantly charged Him with blasphemy.

The final verse of Psalm 82 was addressed not to human "gods" but to God Himself. "Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations" (Psalm 82:8 ). This statement can be directed to none other than the Son of God Himself. "For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son" (John 5:22), "whom He hath appointed heir of all things" (Hebrews 1:2). HMM

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The Mystery of the Trinity

Many of us, when asked about the Trinity, unknowingly offer heretical answers. Yet a proper understanding of this doctrine is essential to the health and welfare of the church.

In this series, Dr. R.C. Sproul gives a sweeping overview of this important doctrine, explaining difficult concepts, exploring biblical teaching, and defining what the term mystery means.

frosbel: ^^

So Jesus was half Man and half God ?

Lord forgive us for these blasphemies.

You mean the God part of JESUS was suspended for the duration of his existence on this earth.

Ok, GOD became a MAN and totally forgot about everything he knew because he was a MAN,

Paganism, that is what you guys are propagating.

Any spirit that does not confess that Jesus was a fully blown MAN , 100% flesh and bones is Antichrist.

OLAADEGBU:

The Mystery of Trinity - The Biblical Witness - R C Sproul [Lecture 2]


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=md4cLMu9vGk

frosbel: ^^

So Jesus was half Man and half God ?

Lord forgive us for these blasphemies.

You mean the God part of JESUS was suspended for the duration of his existence on this earth.

Ok, GOD became a MAN and totally forgot about everything he knew because he was a MAN,

Paganism, that is what you guys are propagating.

Any spirit that does not confess that Jesus was a fully blown MAN , 100% flesh and bones is Antichrist.

Son of God/Son of Man

"And Jesus saith unto him, The foxes have holes, and the birds of the air have nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head." (Matthew 8:20)

It is significant that although Christ clearly taught that He was the unique Son of God, He most frequently referred to Himself as Son of man, earnestly desiring that people understand His true and representative humanity.

The very first use of the phrase is in Psalm 8:4: "What is . . . the son of man, that thou visitest him?" Although David may have been thinking of all "sons of Adam" in general, the writer of Hebrews applied the passage specifically to Christ (Hebrews 2:6), "that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man" (Hebrews 2:9). In order to save lost men, God in Christ had to become man through supernatural incarnation. Then, as perfect, sinless man, He could represent us before God, finally tasting death for every man.

The vital importance of the incarnation is affirmed by John: "Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God" (1 John 4:2-3). It is noteworthy that Satan and his evil spirits would recognise Christ as the Son of God (Matthew 4:3; 8:28-29), but never as the Son of man! This reluctance seems also to characterise all the occultic philosophies of the so-called "New Age" movement, as well as all ancient and modern pantheistic religions. They speak glibly of "the Christ" as a spirit which might come on many, but bitterly refuse to acknowledge that the man Jesus was actually the Son of man, God incarnate.

Finally, it is thrilling to realise that, although He only became the Son of man through His incarnation, He will always remain the Son of man! John saw Him in His glory--as we shall see Him in eternity--as "one like unto the Son of man" (Revelation 1:13; 14:14). HMM

OLAADEGBU:

The Wonderful Truth Of The Trinity

frosbel:

Actually the anti-Christ is the one who suggests that Jesus was not fully Human but a mythical 1/2 Man and 1/2 God.

OLAADEGBU:

This lecture throws up some interesting verses supporting the Deity of our Lord, Adonai, Jesus Christ.

"The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit at my right hand, until I make your enemies your footstool" (Psalm 110:1)

"Jesus said to them, Verily, verily, I say to you, Before Abraham was, I am"(John 8:58)

Here is Jesus' claim to eternality. He is here affirming that He was God manifest in the flesh. He is the great "I AM" - the Eternal One who revealed Himself to Moses in the burning bush (Exodus 3:14).

R.C. Sproul talks about Jesus accepting the worship of Thomas when he said my Lord and my God and did not rebuke him for worshipping a man as the angels and apostles did. He also touched on the Baptism formula, "baptising in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit"(Matthew 28:19).

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him, and without him was not any thing made that was made"(John 1:1-3).

R.C. Sproul, here points out the fact that the Word (Logos), is distinguished from God (The Father) at the same time the Word must be identified with God.

Psalm 110:1
110:1

LORD said unto my Lord. This verse means literally, "Jehovah said unto Adonai."

This is a remarkable conversation between two persons of the Godhead. This psalm is clearly a Messianic psalm, quoted as such at least twelve times in the New Testament. Note especially Matthew 22:43-45, where Christ specifically applies Psalm 110:1 to Himself, claiming that He is not just the son of David, but David’s Lord.