OLAADEGBU:

God's command says:

"Whosoever transgresses, and abides not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abides in the doctrine of Christ, he has both the Father and the Son" (2 John 9).

"Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which you have learned, and avoid them. For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly, and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple" (Rom.16:17-18 ).

If the Word of the Lord said it, and I believe it, that settles it for me.

Sweetnecta: hey Olaadegbu, Frosbel is arguing against trinity in a thread near you.

he says neither Jesus nor Holy spirit is God.

brainpulse: @ Frosbel,

I always thought you are a real christian but didnt know you are not one at all, from your responses.

And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory."(1 Timothy 3:16)

Who is the God that became flesh?

Who was the one that preached to the Gentiles?

When christians begin to say King james version or other version is incorrect. Know for sure and authoritatively they dont have the indwelling of the holyspirit and does not depend on Him for inspiration and teaching of the wordsGod but they are of the letters and depend solely on human thoughts and logical interpretations.

frosbel:

You think dividing GOD into 3 makes sense . This is why countless Jews and Muslims have been lost by the kingdom because of this heretical doctrine.

brainpulse: You call it anyname, trinity or not. The facts still remains as, God came down in Human form- a mystery you can not unravel, (beyond science it was not artificail insemination or tube inplant), choose to pray as a man- a mystery you can not unravel by human knowledge,and choose to die and ressurect- a mystery science and logic will instead unravel will deniel.
All this mysteries can only be explained and thought by the spirit of God

frosbel:


[size=13pt]Jesus Christ was 100% full man and not GOD.
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Yahweh cannot be tempted, Yahweh cannot die, Yahweh does not say that the father is greater than he, Yahweh does not eat, drink or sleep.

[size=13pt]Mate you are jealously holding unto false doctrine.[/size]

One thing I do and which God has blessed me with is to examine all church doctrine in the light of scripture.

During this process I have found out that what the majority of apostate christianity believe in largley unscriptural , such as :
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1. Immortal Soul
2. Eternal Hell
3. souls in heaven or hell at death
4. Trinity
5. Tithing
6. rapture
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etc etc

Read your bible and humbly ask God for wisdom, that is what I do almost everyday and the traditions of men have been totally destroyed from before my very eyes, praise be to Yahweh our eternal father, saviour and redeemer.

brainpulse: Fellow nobody has divided God in 3 but only you. God is God and can exhibit Himself in any form beyond human understanding and comprehension. You can't just use human knowlegde to explain spiritual things.You can not say God can't come in the form of a Man to achieve His aim as recorded in the sciptures, and also in the human form exhibit all form of human
1 corthin 2:10-15

10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man

frosbel:

So when you cannot argue the points case by case , you rush off to a site or any site for that matter to look for an article that will label him as a false prophet

Why do you find it so hard to argue your case point by point backed up by scripture, why must you always reply on others through cartoons, pictures and articles to do your thinking for you ?

Let me help you a little bit.

Remember God was in Christ reconciling the world back to himself.

"that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting men's sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation." - 2 Corinthians 5:19

Jesus Christ was 100% full man and not GOD
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Yahweh cannot be tempted, Yahweh cannot die, Yahweh does not say that the father is greater than he, Yahweh does not eat, drink or sleep.

Mate you are jealously holding unto false doctrine.

One thing I do and which God has blessed me with is to examine all church doctrine in the light of scripture.

During this process I have found out that what the majority of apostate christianity believe in largley unscriptural , such as :

1. Immortal Soul
2. Eternal Hell
3. souls in heaven or hell at death
4. Trinity
5. Tithing
6. rapture

etc etc

Read your bible and humbly ask God for wisdom, that is what I do almost everyday and the traditions of men have been totally destroyed from before my very eyes, praise be to Yahweh our eternal father, saviour and redeemer.

by frosbel(m): 1:04pm

Sweetnecta: hey Olaadegbu, Frosbel is arguing against trinity in a thread near you.

he says neither Jesus nor Holy spirit is God.


Yahweh is GOD.

Jesus is GOD in the sense of the word Adoni which means LORD .

In purpose JESUS is ONE with GOD but Yahweh is ONE Only and there is no other.

The Holy Spirit is GOD Himself, which is to say his Spirit , so please do not misquote me wink

Sweetnecta: @Frosbel: 3 Gods, 3 persons. Is this not Trinity that Olaadegbu is talking about that you are at the same time saying does not exist? As much as I say Olaadegbu is wrong. He has something better than you in character He is consistent. He stands on principle, though deficient. You on the other hand stands on nothing. You criticized Trinity yet you are using 3 God persons to argue with me.

Can you run a serious computer program on one hand saying God is Yahweh and there is no other God and Jesus and Holy Spirit are Gods in addition and let me see how you come out?

[quote author=nedostic]@Frosbel,


Please do justice to my questions. I am sure you are not shying away from it.

If you critically assess your bible on water baptism. Jesus did instruct his disciples to baptize in the name of the Father,Son and Holy Spirit but if you look at most of the baptisms in the bible;you would clearly observe that the apostles did baptize in the name of Jesus Christ.

What could you clearly deduce from the above illustration?

Also, from your write-up, I could deduce that Jesus Christ is in heaven with another personality or an almighty spirit-GOD. Could this my assertion be right from what you have culled and equally stated?
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brainpulse: John 8:58 - Then Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”

If he was 100% man then how come he existed before abraham that was long dead before his arrival.

frosbel:

The argument is made that because Jesus was “before” Abraham, Jesus must have been God. There is no question that Jesus figuratively “existed” in Abraham’s time. However, he did not actually physically exist as a person; rather he “existed” in the mind of God as God’s plan for the redemption of man. A careful reading of the context of the verse shows that Jesus was speaking of “existing” in God’s foreknowledge.


Another example


Revelation 13:8 All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast -- all whose names have not been written in the book of life belonging to the Lamb that was slain from the creation of the world. (NIV)

1 Peter 1:18-20 For you know that it was not with perishable things such as silver or gold that you were redeemed from the empty way of life handed down to you from your forefathers, 19 but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or defect. 20 He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake. (NIV)

brainpulse: @ Frosbel,

I always thought you are a real christian but didnt know you are not one at all, from your responses.

When christians begin to say King james version or other version is incorrect. Know for sure and authoritatively they dont have the indwelling of the holyspirit and does not depend on Him for inspiration and teaching of the wordsGod but they are of the letters and depend solely on human thoughts and logical interpretations.

jayriginal:
This I think, is the biggest problem with christianity and one that will never go away.
Both sides are accusing each other of cultism and being fake christians and heretics etc. While there is some form of civility in the exchange at at some time in the past, various cruelties would have been perpetuated over this issue.
Each person uses the bible and the "holy spirit" as his back up. Holy spirit being actually, whatever interpretation resonates with the person.
So who is correct? The trinitarians or the non trinitarians ? Because if both of them are correct (having had separate truths revealed by the "holy spirit" ) it would suggest that there is more than one holy spirit.
That would account for the different doctrines and interpretations emanating from christianity.
Of course if there are several holy spirits, there cant be a "trinity" having exceeded that magic number.

by frosbel(m): 4:01pm

Sweetnecta: @Frosbel: 3 Gods, 3 persons. Is this not Trinity that Olaadegbu is talking about that you are at the same time saying does not exist? As much as I say Olaadegbu is wrong. He has something better than you in character He is consistent. He stands on principle, though deficient. You on the other hand stands on nothing. You criticized Trinity yet you are using 3 God persons to argue with me.

Can you run a serious computer program on one hand saying God is Yahweh and there is no other God and Jesus and Holy Spirit are Gods in addition and let me see how you come out?


Jesus is not GOD , I said ONE Purpose with GOD , abi English de hard grin

Jesus is LORD

The Holy Spirit is not another person distinct from GOD, the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of GOD.

frosbel:

The argument is made that because Jesus was “before” Abraham, Jesus must have been God. There is no question that Jesus figuratively “existed” in Abraham’s time. However, he did not actually physically exist as a person; rather he “existed” in the mind of God as God’s plan for the redemption of man. A careful reading of the context of the verse shows that Jesus was speaking of “existing” in God’s foreknowledge.


Another example


Revelation 13:8 All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast -- all whose names have not been written in the book of life belonging to the Lamb that was slain from the creation of the world. (NIV)

1 Peter 1:18-20 For you know that it was not with perishable things such as silver or gold that you were redeemed from the empty way of life handed down to you from your forefathers, 19 but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or defect. 20 He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake. (NIV)

OLAADEGBU:

brainpulse: John 8:58 - Then Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”

If he was 100% man then how come he existed before abraham that was long dead before his arrival.

OLAADEGBU:

Good point. That verse asserts that Jesus Christ was God in human form as we can see in the KJV below:

"Jesus said to them, Verily, verily, I say to you, Before Abraham was, I am" -- John 8:58 The Evidence Bible.

Someone explained it like this:

"If I give you a small slice of cheese from a large block (the taste being constant throughout the whole block), and you spit out the cheese saying you hate the taste, then you reject the whole block. Jesus was God manifest in human form. If the Jews and other religious folks rejected Him, they rejected the Father also -- he who is of God hears God's words".

John corroborates this in his epistle when he wrote:

"Whosoever denies the Son, the same has not the Father, (but) he that acknowledges the Son has the Father also" (1 John 2:23).

frosbel: "He was chosen before the creation of the world , but was revealed in these last times for your sake." - 1 Peter 1:20

God through his WORD had chosen Christ for our salvation even more he came in person to die for our sins.


So before Abraham I am , is a valid representation of fact. And by the way God's name is not I AM , it is Yahweh.


Just as God's word says he chose us before the foundation of the world.


"For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love" - Ephesians 1:4

brainpulse:

You have not answered my question, He existed as what?