bump^^^

petres_007:

I give up.

I know I've done it before but for the life of me can't remember how to setup a poll.

Could use some help.

^^^^


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0oKrjxpeJw

http://wiki.simplemachines.org/smf/Posting#Starting_a_new_poll

JeSoul: Now you are talking. Front seats aren't that necessary though, I prefer luxury suites in the balcony. Goshen and co can manage cabin bisquits & pure water, no refreshments for non-tithers.

So...will you be speaking at the event? It may not be a bad idea to record, youtube and paste here

Chei.....See as JeSoul dey give me uppercut for public? Na because you be my Mod o....I for return my own upper cut

@ OP, I wish am there but if you can send flight ticket sha.....maybe I fit consider.....abi wetin you think

petres_007:

Ah! Madam mod! Shebi na you... no be only pDiddy & egusi soup o. . . we go also arrange driver and front seats for your royal highness and escorts cohorts

only escort! What of consort?

danwo:


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0oKrjxpeJw

http://wiki.simplemachines.org/smf/Posting#Starting_a_new_poll

I know the steps outlined in the video. Just can't seem to find the add/create poll button/link. I think it may have been disabled or smth.

Its okay anyway. Thanks!

with Malachi 3:8-10 being the tagline, we all know what the 'discussion' is going to be about. Anti-tithers stay out.

debosky: with Malachi 3:8-10 being the tagline, we all know what the 'discussion' is going to be about. Anti-tithers stay out.

Abi o

petres_007:

I know the steps outlined in the video.

Just can't seem to find the add/create poll button/link.

I think it may have been disabled or smth.

Its okay anyway. Thanks!

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You are right the feature seemed to have been decommisioned, is AWOL or has done a runner

debosky: with Malachi 3:8-10 being the tagline, we all know what the 'discussion' is going to be about. Anti-tithers stay out.

Malachi 3:8-10 is only the tagline becos that is the passage most attributable to tithes in scripture and it is the main passage used by tithe merchants to promote the doctrine. I can assure you that it would be a very balanced and objective discourse on the tithe subject. Attendees would be free to discuss, ask questions and make their own conclusions.

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petres_007: ^^^

Is tithing actually scriptural for christians

No Tithing for Christians.
At no time were first-century Christians commanded to pay tithes. The primary purpose of the tithing arrangement under the Law had been to support Israel’s temple and priesthood. These had no tribal lands other than certain cities, so they needed this special support. In addition, faithful Israelites were free to give voluntary contributions for special projects, such as the construction of the tabernacle and, later, the temple.—Exodus 25:1-8; 1 Chronicles 29:3-7.
consequently the obligation to pay tithes would cease when that Mosaic Law covenant came to an end as fulfilled, through Christ’s death on the torture stake. (Eph 2:15; Col 2:13, 14) Hence, along with other features of the Law, such as regular sacrifices at the temple, tithing was no longer required of the faithful.It is true that Levitical priests continued serving at the temple in Jerusalem until it was destroyed in 70 C.E., but Christians from and after 33 C.E. became part of a new spiritual priesthood that was not supported by tithes.—Ro 6:14; Heb 7:12; 1Pe 2:9.
As Christians, they were encouraged to give support to the Christian ministry both by their own ministerial activity and by material contributions. Instead of giving fixed, specified amounts to defray congregational expenses, they were to contribute “according to what a person has,” giving “as he has resolved in his heart, not grudgingly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.” (2Co 8:12; 9:7) They were encouraged to follow the principle: “Let the older men who preside in a fine way be reckoned worthy of double honor, especially those who work hard in speaking and teaching. For the scripture says: ‘You must not muzzle a bull when it threshes out the grain’; also: ‘The workman is worthy of his wages.’” (1Ti 5:17, 18) The apostle Paul set an example in seeking to avoid bringing an undue financial burden on the congregation.—Ac 18:3; 1Th 2:9.

So among Christians, giving is motivated by love, not law. The apostle Paul explained the principle when organizing a collection for needy Christians in Judea. He said: “Let each one do just as he has resolved in his heart, not grudgingly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.” (2 Corinthians 9:7)

Zikkyy:

Sound like cabin biscuit to me. You no serious ooh

lmao.zikkyy u're sooooo funny. U just said what I had in my mind.

Zikkyy:

Sound like cabin biscuit to me. You no serious ooh

lmao. Zikkyy, u are 1 hell of a funny dude. Exactly what was on my mind. Sth to nibble indeed!

petres_007: I strongly urge those of us on this sub-forum living in or around Lagos who're not booked for that Saturday morning/early afternoon to consider attending.

I've been around here a while, long enough to know that tithing has been a major point of fierce debates. Lots of religion section big wigs both for and against Christian tithing. I'm hoping some of us here (both for and against) would be so kind as to attend this bible discussion meeting, bringing their "strong reasons" (Is 41:21 paraphrase) with them.

I will love to join provided that the argument wont hover alone around the bible or keep participants' arguments in the confines of what the bible stipulates. I have made this argument before in a roman catholic discussion bible session when I was serving in Sokoto. It was heated and I got labelled all sorts of anti-christ epiteths just because I wont subscribe to unsubstantiated claims in the bible, and the irregularities in the claims of supporters both the old and the new testament.

petres_007: I strongly urge those of us on this sub-forum living in or around Lagos who're not booked for that Saturday morning/early afternoon to consider attending.

I've been around here a while, long enough to know that tithing has been a major point of fierce debates. Lots of religion section big wigs both for and against Christian tithing. I'm hoping some of us here (both for and against) would be so kind as to attend this bible discussion meeting, bringing their "strong reasons" (Is 41:21 paraphrase) with them.

I will love to join provided that the argument wont hover alone around the bible or keep participants' arguments in the confines of what the bible stipulates. I have made this argument before in a roman catholic discussion bible session when I was serving in Sokoto. It was heated and I got labelled all sorts of anti-christ epiteths just because I wont subscribe to unsubstantiated claims in the bible, and the irregularities in the claims of supporters both the old and the new testament.

OP,

I think you are a very jobless person. Go and do something better with your life. Serious Christians are trying to arrange themselves for God, you are busy arguing about tithing.

Anyone who is serious about tithing should read the relevant scriptures and follow what the Holy Spirit tells him/her. Simple.

If you like, argue about it from now till the year 2300: it will not change a damn thing about people's opinions!

rhymz: I will love to join provided that the argument wont hover alone around the bible or keep participants' arguments in the confines of what the bible stipulates. I have made this argument before in a roman catholic discussion bible session when I was serving in Sokoto. It was heated and I got labelled all sorts of anti-christ epiteths just because I wont subscribe to unsubstantiated claims in the bible, and the irregularities in the claims of supporters both the old and the new testament.

Hello rhymz,

This discussion will be based strictly on the bible. Relevant references to Jewish/Church history may be made but nothing more.

@OP AND ALL on this thread,no intentions of breaking the rules of not raising any kind of arguments but to bring to ur notice or a reminder that the below will be necessary for those attending and those not attending still digest the below and tell urself if you need to pay ur tithe or not.
And Jesus said:''woe to you pharisees,because you give God a tenth of your mint,rue and all other kinds of garden herbs,BUT NEGLECT JUSTICE AND THE LOVE OF GOD.You should have practiced the latter(tithing) without leaving the former(justice and the love of God) undone.
The above text is from Jesus the word,the master,HE whom everything that exist was made for and by HIM and through HIM.
He threw HIS weight on tithing but bringing to OUR notice that tithing in itself won't take us to heaven.
The love of God does everything.I tell you,if we love God,we will pay our tithe but we can pay tithe without loving God as was the case of the pharisees.
Make una no vex say i break the rules !

TalkingBird: No Tithing for Christians.
At no time were first-century Christians commanded to pay tithes. The primary purpose of the tithing arrangement under the Law had been to support Israel’s temple and priesthood. These had no tribal lands other than certain cities, so they needed this special support. In addition, faithful Israelites were free to give voluntary contributions for special projects, such as the construction of the tabernacle and, later, the temple.—Exodus 25:1-8; 1 Chronicles 29:3-7.
consequently the obligation to pay tithes would cease when that Mosaic Law covenant came to an end as fulfilled, through Christ’s death on the torture stake. (Eph 2:15; Col 2:13, 14) Hence, along with other features of the Law, such as regular sacrifices at the temple, tithing was no longer required of the faithful.It is true that Levitical priests continued serving at the temple in Jerusalem until it was destroyed in 70 C.E., but Christians from and after 33 C.E. became part of a new spiritual priesthood that was not supported by tithes.—Ro 6:14; Heb 7:12; 1Pe 2:9.
As Christians, they were encouraged to give support to the Christian ministry both by their own ministerial activity and by material contributions. Instead of giving fixed, specified amounts to defray congregational expenses, they were to contribute “according to what a person has,” giving “as he has resolved in his heart, not grudgingly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.” (2Co 8:12; 9:7) They were encouraged to follow the principle: “Let the older men who preside in a fine way be reckoned worthy of double honor, especially those who work hard in speaking and teaching. For the scripture says: ‘You must not muzzle a bull when it threshes out the grain’; also: ‘The workman is worthy of his wages.’” (1Ti 5:17, 18) The apostle Paul set an example in seeking to avoid bringing an undue financial burden on the congregation.—Ac 18:3; 1Th 2:9.

So among Christians, giving is motivated by love, not law. The apostle Paul explained the principle when organizing a collection for needy Christians in Judea. He said: “Let each one do just as he has resolved in his heart, not grudgingly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.” (2 Corinthians 9:7)

If i tithe a tenth of my income will i go to hell ? If i dnt tithe at all will i go to hell ? If i dnt tithe at all and believes there is nothing in my tithing any way,will it add any thing to my earnings?If i tithe and believe it will add to it will it add to my earnings?
I believe that you dnt get what you pray for but what you believe !
Friends,any thing we do in life let's check if there are consequences and how grave the consequences are !
The big question should be:What is the essence of tithing ?
If i take out 10k from my 100k at the end of the yr,take it to the 'house of God'and believe am giving it to God,is there anything wrong with that ?But i think there is something wrong when i dnt give it at all and someone tells me i will go to hell becos i dnt give it-that's where the problem is.Jesus said to the Pharisees that even though they pay their tithe,that they should not leave out rendering of justice and love God as well.HE said both should be done side by side Luke 11:42 !

For me,if it's mandatory,then it's a law which we dnt need.But when it's optional i.e do it when you think there is need for it or out of love for God and HIS work.
I love this issue of whether to tithe or not,whether to cover our heads as ladies in church or not,whether we should put on trousers to church as ladies or not,whether we should speak in tongues or not and the like cos they are some how there in the holy bible for us to have a reasonable debate.But when an issue isn't there at all and we practice it,i get turned off ! Shalom

m.k.o2005:
@OP AND ALL on this thread,no intentions of breaking the rules of not raising any kind of arguments

Great! You broke the rule unintentionally then.

m.k.o2005:
@OP AND ALL on this thread,no intentions of breaking the rules of not raising any kind of arguments but to bring to ur notice or a reminder that the below will be necessary for those attending and those not attending still digest the below and tell urself if you need to pay ur tithe or not.
And Jesus said:''woe to you pharisees,because you give God a tenth of your mint,rue and all other kinds of garden herbs,BUT NEGLECT JUSTICE AND THE LOVE OF GOD.You should have practiced the latter(tithing) without leaving the former(justice and the love of God) undone.
The above text is from Jesus the word,the master,HE whom everything that exist was made for and by HIM and through HIM.
He threw HIS weight on tithing but bringing to OUR notice that tithing in itself won't take us to heaven.
The love of God does everything.I tell you,if we love God,we will pay our tithe but we can pay tithe without loving God as was the case of the pharisees.
Make una no vex say i break the rules !

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you will not obey the op.

why not carry your heavy load by yourself and allow others to carry the light load being the load of christ.

You talk as though while he was alife he was asking people not to keep the Jewish laws, and as though the Jews were not keeping such laws befor he came.

What open/started the new covanant? Is it not his blood/death?

While he was alife he judged the pharisee base on the law that was enforce.

Stop the twisting and respect the op.

What is wrong with a voluntary giving?

When a Christian gives tithe, he is mixing Judaism with Christianity. The Apostles had to meet to discuss this issue in Acts Chapter 15(The Council @ Jerusalem). In their ruling, they wrote back to the Gentile Churches that Christians should not Obey the law of Moses. Gal 5:4 says: You who are trying to be justified by law have been alienated from Christ;you have fallen from grace. This passage means if I say that the reason I'm practising something and seeking to be justified by my action is because it is written in the Old testament (Mal 3:10), you have fallen from grace. The New testament actually points to how Christians are to give in 1 Cor 16: 1-2. "Now about the collection for God's people:Do what I told the Galatian Churches to do.On the first day of EVERY week, each one of you should set aside a sum of money in keeping with his income, saving it up, so that when i come no collections will have to be made." Every Sunday, set aside a sum of money, not a tithe. Sunday is a day of worship same for communion in Acts 20:8.
So it is clear. Get a bible concordance, u will discover that the whole book of Galatians was written by Paul to warn Christians not to Observe the law of Moses(Of which tithing is included).
What is the purpose of the law of Moses? Gal 5:23-25 "Before this faith came, we were held prisoners by the law, locked up until faith should be revealed. So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law." It is up to us. We can choose to follow the Bible or our so called men of God.

people who obey the law of moses are under a curse(galatian3:10).nd the law of tithing also is among d law.dat mean all people dat pay tihe are under a curse,dat verse still says dat if u are dong one u must do everthing,that means u must worship God on sabbath day,u must kill animal for your sin,u must go to jerusalem and worship God.

petres_007:

Hello rhymz,

This discussion will be based strictly on the bible. Relevant references to Jewish/Church history may be made but nothing more.

ok thats fair. Bible and logic, I am guessing.

[b]NO MAN OF GOD WILL TELL YOU THESE


Deuteronomy 14:22-29 (King James Version)

[color=#006600][/color]The Law of the Tithe

22 Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year. 23 And thou shalt eat before the Lord thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the Lord thy God always. 24 And if the way be too long for thee, so that thou art not able to carry it; or if the place be too far from thee, which the Lord thy God shall choose to set his name there, when the Lord thy God hath blessed thee: 25 Then shalt thou turn it into money, and bind up the money in thine hand, and shalt go unto the place which the Lord thy God shall choose: 26 And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: [1] and thou shalt eat there before the Lord thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household, 27 And the Levite that is within thy gates; thou shalt not forsake him; for he hath no part nor inheritance with thee. 28 At the end of three years thou shalt bring forth all the tithe of thine increase the same year, and shalt lay it up within thy gates: 29 And the Levite, (because he hath no part nor inheritance with thee,) and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, which are within thy gates, shall come, and shall eat and be satisfied; that the Lord thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hand which thou doest.[/b]

ogele: [b]NO MAN OF GOD WILL TELL YOU THESE


Deuteronomy 14:22-29 (King James Version)

[color=#006600][/color]The Law of the Tithe

22 Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year. 23 And thou shalt eat before the Lord thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the Lord thy God always. 24 And if the way be too long for thee, so that thou art not able to carry it; or if the place be too far from thee, which the Lord thy God shall choose to set his name there, when the Lord thy God hath blessed thee: 25 Then shalt thou turn it into money, and bind up the money in thine hand, and shalt go unto the place which the Lord thy God shall choose: 26 And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: [1] and thou shalt eat there before the Lord thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household, 27 And the Levite that is within thy gates; thou shalt not forsake him; for he hath no part nor inheritance with thee. 28 At the end of three years thou shalt bring forth all the tithe of thine increase the same year, and shalt lay it up within thy gates: 29 And the Levite, (because he hath no part nor inheritance with thee,) and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, which are within thy gates, shall come, and shall eat and be satisfied; that the Lord thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hand which thou doest.[/b]

The first time i read the above passage i was almost in shock , it made me start asking a lot of questions and studying more about tithes. The MOGs i asked were not even aware the passage existed in the bible but they tried to explain it away unconvincingly. I learnt a lot from the passage namely

* Money was not acceptable as tithes as the tither was still instructed to use the proceeds of the sale of his produce to buy edible items.
* There are various types of tithes.
* Tithes was not the exclusive preserve of Levites(preachers.Orphans widows and the tither were also eligible to partake of the tithes.
*Tithes had to be strictly from produce of the land of Israel since it was based on a covenat which was premised on the promised land God gave the Israelites
*It is practically impossible for gentile christians to practise biblical tithing without the word of God being twisted.
*It is not based on monetary income contrary to the lies we have been fed.
*Money existed in those days and it was not acceptable as tithes contrary to lies we have been told.
*It was an annual event not weekly or monthly as people are being deceived into believing

This further led me to study the scriptures better and i came to the understanding that as christians we are not supposed to even keep the mosaic laws (Galatians 5:4 & Gaatians 3:10) and attempting to keep them means that we don't have faith in sacrifice of christ that brought the law to and end thereby negating the very basis of the individual's christian faith. I was also led to study Hebrews 7 this chapter puts a final nail on th coffin to the tithes doctrine as it was specifically brought to and end in verses 11&12 and described as a weak useless and unprofitable law in verse 18&19. I also searched for examples of tithing in the early church established by the apostles and discovered that tithing was not a practise of the early church. Further studies revealed that tithing was only smuggled into christianity by the catholic church in the year 597AD after the council of macon when the catholic church decided it needed more resources to finance their activities even then tithes was still in agrarian form[the catholic church as since renounced the doctrine of mandatory tithing]. Monetary tithes from income was not introduced to the church till the late 19th century and this was introduced by american evangelicals.

It became obvious to me that this was a man made doctrine backed up by twisting scripture to take advantage of believers and make money from them. the doctrine clearly lacked sound biblical basis.

To know more about the biblical truths on this false doctrine please make it a date to attend the programme as all your questions on the subject matter would be addressed strictly based on scriptures.

Dear Christians in the South, West &
Eastern Nigeria; lets get out of our
comfort Zone, unite & pray fervently for
our brethren in
the northern part of Nigeria.
They need our prayers. Jesus Christ is taking over!

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