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Re: Lagos To Auction Seized Bullion Van, Truck by ektbear: 11:28pm On Sep 21, 2012 |
Isn't this standard practice? If you have your vehicle seized by your police somewhere for violating laws, is the expectation that they will hold it for you indefinitely? The storage space costs them money. |
Re: Lagos To Auction Seized Bullion Van, Truck by strangest(m): 11:32pm On Sep 21, 2012 |
A-ZeD: Relax, fasholas law is similar to sharia law, do you pluck a mans eyes for looking at another mans wife, yeah its a crime and a judgement need to be passed and not taking away a mans truck, Do you even know how many family that depends on the truck, the owner, the driver and the conductor... So you ve ended up taking something from three men... Very soon they will start selling your houses for not planting flower... |
Re: Lagos To Auction Seized Bullion Van, Truck by texazzpete(m): 12:02am On Sep 22, 2012 |
Spirit1: This was the same argument used to support introduction of Sharia law. Very similar to "If you don't steal, don't worry about us cutting off your hand" |
Re: Lagos To Auction Seized Bullion Van, Truck by texazzpete(m): 12:04am On Sep 22, 2012 |
ekt_bear: Isn't this standard practice? No, this is not. You have the option of paying a small fine and retrieving your vehicle. What this means is that you can spend all your money buying a new Camry 2012 model...and Fashola's Government will confiscate it PERMANENTLY if you veer into a 'one-way' road by mistake. This is the height of evil, IMHO. |
Re: Lagos To Auction Seized Bullion Van, Truck by ektbear: 12:08am On Sep 22, 2012 |
Err. So there is no option of paying a fine to retrieve your car? If so, that is pretty extreme. |
Re: Lagos To Auction Seized Bullion Van, Truck by EkoIle1: 12:23am On Sep 22, 2012 |
ekt_bear: Err. So there is no option of paying a fine to retrieve your Killing other people because you drove on the wrong side of the road is not only extreme, its fatal and even your fine and vehicle can not replace the lives lost. Saying any law is extreme is really pointless especially when the consequence of that law is known to you and you thumbed your finger at that law anyways. You lose your car because you are a law breaker, not because of some extreme law. There is nothing more extreme than a lawless society where people live like jungle animals and intentionally disobey every law insight. |
Re: Lagos To Auction Seized Bullion Van, Truck by ektbear: 12:27am On Sep 22, 2012 |
I think making lawbreakers pay enormous fees is perfectly fine. But confiscating the property outright...I mean, what if it is a $100,000 vehicle. Do I really deserve to lose that car because I went over the speed limit slightly, for example? The punishment needs to fit the crime, not vastly exceed it. |
Re: Lagos To Auction Seized Bullion Van, Truck by EkoIle1: 12:58am On Sep 22, 2012 |
The punishment fits the crime since the danger associated with driving on the wrong side of the road is death or fatal injuries. No vehicle is worth more than the lives of of your fellow man. Think about your actions and the lives you are endangering. Other jurisdictions in the same Nigeria are confiscating cars left and right for less offense, but its obviously a big deal because this is about Lagos state. If you don't give a damn about other people's lives, why should yours be taken seriously talk less your damn car? |
Re: Lagos To Auction Seized Bullion Van, Truck by Nobody: 1:59am On Sep 22, 2012 |
A woman from Haiti packed like 6 cars in her yard without tags police told her to pack the cars out of her yard within 7 days.When they came back. they met the cars there still, she had to forfeit the cars to the state. midnight they came to my yard too asking me to move 10 cars out of my house if not the state gonna sell them The law is from us,remember your governor used to leave here |
Re: Lagos To Auction Seized Bullion Van, Truck by group507(m): 3:50am On Sep 22, 2012 |
What of the driver is not the owner of the vehicle? |
Re: Lagos To Auction Seized Bullion Van, Truck by naptu2: 3:57am On Sep 22, 2012 |
It would be unconstitutional to auction the vehicles without a court order. See section 36 of the 1999 constitution (Fundamental Rights: Right to Fair Hearing). It would also violate the principles of Nemo Judex in Causa Sua (you can't be a judge in your own cause) and Audi Alteram partem (you must listen to both parties). It would also go against the precedent set in the court judgement cited previously. Remember, everyone is presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. |
Re: Lagos To Auction Seized Bullion Van, Truck by naptu2: 4:15am On Sep 22, 2012 |
I'll repost details of the case. [size=14pt]LASTMA can’t impose fine on traffic offenders – Court[/size] https://www.nairaland.com/765555/lastma-t-impose-fine-traffic |
Re: Lagos To Auction Seized Bullion Van, Truck by luvinhubby(m): 7:05am On Sep 22, 2012 |
Nobody, including my humble self, is against this law, what we are stating is that the punishment FAR OUTWEIGHS the offence, for Pete`s sake it makes Sharia proponents look like saints. |
Re: Lagos To Auction Seized Bullion Van, Truck by strangest(m): 7:17am On Sep 22, 2012 |
Eko Ile: Why don't you wait till someone is killed first, I am not surprised that you are supporting this bullsht... Yorouba muslim... |
Re: Lagos To Auction Seized Bullion Van, Truck by olivertwist: 9:20am On Sep 22, 2012 |
'DO IN ROME AS ROMANS DO' If you come to Lagos from any part of Nigeria, obey Lagos state traffic rules and whenever you go back to your different states, continue to break the traffic rules. Is this too hard for anyone to comprehend? |
Re: Lagos To Auction Seized Bullion Van, Truck by olivertwist: 9:24am On Sep 22, 2012 |
Eko Ile: Thank you. |
Re: Lagos To Auction Seized Bullion Van, Truck by olivertwist: 9:28am On Sep 22, 2012 |
ekt_bear: I think making lawbreakers pay enormous fees is perfectly fine. It's like you place more value on your car than the life of other road users. |
Re: Lagos To Auction Seized Bullion Van, Truck by Nobody: 10:04am On Sep 22, 2012 |
That law won't last long or it will be amended. |
Re: Lagos To Auction Seized Bullion Van, Truck by Nobody: 10:11am On Sep 22, 2012 |
I know for sure that had it been GEJ that made this law all you youroba guys would have been criticing him as clueless but as far as its Fashola it is good even when the penalty of the law is against the law of the land. You don't seize another mans property to sell it, the should fine those that broke the law and give them up to 2 months to pay up and take their property and if they fails to pay within that 2 months then the property will be aunctioned |
Re: Lagos To Auction Seized Bullion Van, Truck by olivertwist: 11:01am On Sep 22, 2012 |
gboss4sure: I know for sure that had it been GEJ that made this law all you youroba guys would have been criticing him as clueless but as far as its Fashola it is good even when the penalty of the law is against the law of the land. My friend, we are talking about driving on the wrong side of the road i.e facing upcoming vehicles in a one way road. Do you drive at all? Pls, forget all these talk about GEJ. We all can see how he's handling the DANA aviations disaster. It takes a very tough person to make a tough decision and stand by it. How can a federal minister said the committee they set up made a mistake by revoking DANA aviations operating license just few months after the disaster, when the family of the victims are still mourning their loved ones. We all know the minister has been bribed one way or the other. So, how do you want us to take GEJ serious. I bet you, GEJ cannot make this type of laws we are seeing in Lagos because he himself cannot abide by it. Have you seen the first lady visit to Lagos before? |
Re: Lagos To Auction Seized Bullion Van, Truck by dabossman(m): 3:40pm On Sep 22, 2012 |
damoobaba: I hav an issue with this their one way stuff,most of these routes do not have any sign to show they are "one way" aΩ̴̩̩̩̥d̶̲̥̅̊ of course the Agbero LASTMA officials are always quick to seize the opportunity to make extra cash. Guy, the truck was caught on 3rd Mainland Bridge! Do u need a street sign to indicate One-way there too? Let's all be careful. When not sure about a particular route, err on the side of caution. Better safe than sorry. |
Re: Lagos To Auction Seized Bullion Van, Truck by dabossman(m): 3:57pm On Sep 22, 2012 |
naptu2: It would be unconstitutional to auction the vehicles without a court order. Thank you my good fellow. That's what I like to hear. You have a right to challenge the laws if you feel wronged. Instead all u get here is sentimental talk of how much a car costs. Can it buy a life? |
Re: Lagos To Auction Seized Bullion Van, Truck by GROdom: 4:21pm On Sep 22, 2012 |
Good |
Re: Lagos To Auction Seized Bullion Van, Truck by albacete(m): 3:10am On Sep 23, 2012 |
strangest:sorry to ask but did u really type that? Do u know how many times these careless drivers have killed others, all in d name of hurrying to deposit money into d bank? There is no need being tribalistic here. What has being a Yoruba muslim(or any other tribe/religion of any sort) got to do with all of this? @the bolded: don't wish for others what u wouldn't want t for urself. What if that somebody was u? |
Re: Lagos To Auction Seized Bullion Van, Truck by albacete(m): 3:22am On Sep 23, 2012 |
texazzpete:Not 'one way' but driving against traffic. People don't drive against traffic 'by mistake', it's always a deliberate act which often results to loss of lives on the part of pedestrians who probably might not look on both sides of the road before crossing. As for me, i dey look wella oo weda na single lane or double lane cos anytin fit happen. |
Re: Lagos To Auction Seized Bullion Van, Truck by texazzpete(m): 9:17am On Sep 23, 2012 |
albacete: I'm not sure if you're just trolling, but in the new lagos law, you'd lose your vehicle if you drive into a one-way road. Eko Ile: The punishment fits the crime since the danger associated with driving on the wrong side of the road is death or fatal injuries. No vehicle is worth more than the lives of of your fellow man. Think about your actions and the lives you are endangering. Other jurisdictions in the same Nigeria are confiscating cars left and right for less offense, but its obviously a big deal because this is about Lagos state. Apparently it's only in Nigeria that driving against traffic can kill people. Show me any other civilized country where the penalty for such a road traffic offence is CONFISCATION. What happened to fining the driver and confiscating his Drivers license that most sane societies do? Abi their citizens there are invulnerable? Nonsense! |
Re: Lagos To Auction Seized Bullion Van, Truck by mapet: 9:32am On Sep 23, 2012 |
Read the underlined again......"to thin own self be true, and follow the night as the day.....thou cannot be false" 1. That is what the law says, you violate....you're fine/jailed and your vehicle confisiacated 2. Most of the roads in Lagos has basic road signs, but short of arguing that, you mean you need a road sign to tell you not to drive on the wrong side , facing oncoming traffic in TMB? 3. "They change the direction on the one way as it pleases them....." haha!!!! come of it, if you're going to lie, a stupid one is even worse 4. Breaking the law and perpertual lawlessness is criminal. I wonder when the law started reconginsing cost of the purchase of your car as justification to break laws You guys are somehow pathetic. You blame the government that nothing seemingly works in our environment. You compare us to other countries where things obviously work like UK, US, SA etc, yet genuine efforts to start putting some of these structures in place, you cry. How many of you will drive against the traffic in UK or US billante: 1 Like |
Re: Lagos To Auction Seized Bullion Van, Truck by EkoIle1: 12:07pm On Sep 23, 2012 |
mapet: Read the underlined again......"to thin own self be true, and follow the night as the day.....thou cannot be false" Well said. Nigerians are used to lawlessness and its going to take a lot to tame them. lawlessness is all they know and are used to. |
Re: Lagos To Auction Seized Bullion Van, Truck by luvinhubby(m): 10:21pm On Sep 23, 2012 |
Eko Ile:The issue is not law breaking, we are all against it, it`s the JUSTICE factor that is being questioned, it is not JUST to auction off a man`s automobile for traffic violation, Lagos is the only place on earth where this is applicable, tell me another place. Just hope some aggrieved party will test this law in a court of competent jurisdiction so that we`ll all know it`s legitimacy. |
Re: Lagos To Auction Seized Bullion Van, Truck by EkoIle1: 1:44am On Sep 24, 2012 |
luvinhubby: The issue is about law breaking because they only take your vehicle if you violate the law. Don't violate and your car will remain yours. I really don't care about your stupid car that you think has more value than human life. You people are just used to lawlessness, you are like animals, you want to exist in a lawless jungle without law and order and without sanity, you want to live in a society where you are free to endanger other people's lives at will. That's your problem, but that criminal thinking and way of life is no more in Lagos, we will have law and order in Lagos state and if you can not obey simple laws, go back to your village or other lawless places and drive on all sides of the road, even drive inside your bedroom and kill everybody inside, that's your problem, but not in Lagos. I don't have to show you where else around the world they confiscate cars, they do it inside your own country for less traffic offenses. Get with the program.. http://www.sunday.tribune.com.ng/index.php/community-news/45491-frsc-impounds-50-vehicles-for-flouting-traffic-offences |
Re: Lagos To Auction Seized Bullion Van, Truck by darziglar: 1:45am On Sep 24, 2012 |
dont worry....this tenor will soon expire....they will solicit for votes abi...we are waitin |
Re: Lagos To Auction Seized Bullion Van, Truck by darziglar: 1:46am On Sep 24, 2012 |
dont worry....this tenor will soon expire....they will solicit for our votes abi...we are waitin |
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