damzbaba: Most contributions are voluntary. Regardless of how many times, donations are called for in Churches, people can not give what they do not have. While I agree with the fact that these schools are very expensive, how much really is the value of a quality education? We cannot begin to compare the fees of Government schools with Religious private universities because of the difference in funding and budgetary allocations. The fees are heavily subisdized by the government. For these private universities to be equally affordable (subsidized) the congregation will need to donate more. You cannot even begin to compare facilities, accomodation and privileges some of these private universities provide with that of some state owned schools. Even Religious universities abroad are expensive. The best that happens for congregation members is a percentage fee waiver. If we agree that both rich and poor contribute towards the building of these schools, are we agreeing that the poor contribute more in terms of donation? If the universities built by the funds of both poor and rich were opened to all their kids, which funds would be used to run those universities? Wouldn't the poor have to contribute more and pay fees at the same time? What would the criteria for entry/admission be? The best the universities can do is to make a number of merit based scholarships available to all members' families regardless of economic standing as a means of creating fair opportunity, while accepting students who can pay fees to help them continue a sustainable model. Running a university is no small feat. Religion aside, in business and shareholding, not all shareholders have the same privileges. Some seat on the board, some pull strings and have their kids/family members employed by the companies, and others just wait to receive their dividends. Religions Universities are not charity institutions.

2good:

Uncle Joe, you really need to stop this your blind faith and start looking at things from reality. While Winners Chapel was raising funds to build Covenant university, I know how much my father contributed to the project from his salary and after the school was completed, none of his children could attend the school because it was too expensive while his rich brother who was not a member of the church could send his children to the school because he has the money. How can you support a situation where the church members that contributed to the building of the university, cannot send their children there to study?

Bélla3: When i asked my parish pastor this question, he said:
'just give, it doesnt matter hw ur money wil be used, the most important thing is a pure heart.'
WHAAATTT!!!

Your Parish priest is a Fagg(o)t.. What the f(u)ck does he mean?!.. What if the Pastor is using my money to feed is heroine addiction?! F(u)ck your Priest!!

life_style: The offering of the "poor" cannot build a University

life_style: The offering of the "poor" cannot build a University

plappville: @topic, they believe they are building it for the Kingdom of God, that why they made it unaffordable for the poor. Jesus Christ Disciples went to Private fishing universities so its very important for churches to build Universities

I can see greed, pretence, wickedness in the church today. May God have merci on them.

Zikkyy:

I want to agree with joagbaje, you really need to ask what the church objectives are. Was it to provide affordable education to church members? was is to provide quality education (only to those that can afford it)? Was it for profit? If it was clear from the very beginning that it was going to be for those that can afford it, you don't blame the church.

Okija_juju: [size=13pt]Brethren and Sistren, Please open your biblbes with me to the book of MATTHEW 12: 13 [b] And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves, "It is written," he said to them, "'My house will be called a house of prayer,' but you are making it a 'den of robbers.'"


What we are witnessing today is that the house of God has graduated from being a house of prayers to becoming an avenue to defraud people. When they want to build these churches, they collect offerings from the congregation both rich & poor for many years and so it can be said that the they contributed to build that church.. Iya Ileke Idi that sells Pure Water at Obalende contributed to that school, Baba Bluetooth the fisherman at Makoko contributed to that school. And for them to see that school completed, and then watch the kids of only the Rich, Wealthy and well to do attend the schools their money built, I think is very very bad! Its sort of the same way that a Pastor would fly in a Gulfstream Jet with the monies he collect from his poor congregation who sometimes trek to church, give their offering and trek back home..

Anybody who dosent see this as wrong, all I can say is may you never be poor.. May you never be in the position to contribute to something and never be able to enjoy it.. Here is a price check of Private University tuitions.. (Church Unis);

1. BOWEN University owned and operated by a Baptist Convention, charges ₦650,000 as tuition fees per session.

2. COVENANT University established by Bishop Oyedepo of Winners Chapel ₦640,000 as tuition fees per session.

3. BENSON IDAHOSA University charges ₦500,000 as tuition fees per session.

4. BABCOCK University established by The Seventh Day Adventist, charges ₦450,000 as tuition fees per session.

5. REDEEMERS University owned by The Redeemed Christian Church of God , charges ₦450,000 as tuition fees per session.

6. AJAYI CROWTHER University established by The Supra diocesan board of the church of Nigeria (Anglican Communion), charges ₦350,000per session.

7. MADONNA University a Catholic University charges ₦350,000 as tuition fees per session.

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I wonder how many civil servants can afford these fees?! In a country where minimum wage of 18,000 naira is still hard for the government to pay?! And the government is still the highest employerof labour in this same country. I wonder how many Farmers can afford these fees?! I wonder how many Artisans can afford these fees?! Go into our villages, even those where you need a canoe to access, you will see Redeemed church there, you will see Wunners Chapel and all these other churches, those villagers also contributed in their own small way to these schools and the sad part is that while they keep praying for God to better their lot so they can afford to send their kids to these schools which their monies have built, the pastor is enjoying the proceeds from their investments..

Now I understand that University education is expensive.. Infact, I am a stong proponent for Universities to be autonomous and allowed to charge as much as is necessary for them to run, however, I also believe in Merit scholarship, partial scholarships and stuffs like that.. The churches dont even offer any sort of scholarship scheme for the less privileged members.. And the amazing part is that the members themselves see nothing wrong in this o!! But the day the government increases a state university tuition fee from 50 thousand to 75 thousand, see them rioting and carrying placards..
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jhydebaba: I "dislike" churches because of this single fact. How can the poor contribute their hard earned money to cater for the rich (oh! Maybe that part of the bible that said that we will collect from the poor and give to the rich is being fulfilled here).
There was a time a young boy who is a worker (usher) in one of these churches was trying to gain admission into university, I asked him that since you are working for the church without getting paid, the church must be able to give you university education at least for a stipend. You know what? the boy made no sense out of what I have said and believed that he must kill himself since he can't get admission. A lot of cases are like that.

*You work for the church for free, you pay offering (special and non-special), you pay tithe diligently etc and still the church can't offer anything in return. Please let's wake up and fight the spirit of capitalism in these churches in totality.

*Most people have been blindfolded by religion so it is do as I say without asking questions otherwise you end up in HELLFIRE.

Okija_juju:

Your Parish priest is a Fagg(o)t.. What the f(u)ck does he mean?!.. What if the Pastor is using my money to feed is heroine addiction?! F(u)ck your Priest!!


_{Kneels down, prays for forgiveness and say three hail marys..}

Okija_juju: [size=13pt]Brethren and Sistren, Please open your biblbes with me to the book of MATTHEW 12: 13 [b] And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves, "It is written," he said to them, "'My house will be called a house of prayer,' but you are making it a 'den of robbers.'"


What we are witnessing today is that the house of God has graduated from being a house of prayers to becoming an avenue to defraud people. When they want to build these churches, they collect offerings from the congregation both rich & poor for many years and so it can be said that the they contributed to build that church.. Iya Ileke Idi that sells Pure Water at Obalende contributed to that school, Baba Bluetooth the fisherman at Makoko contributed to that school. And for them to see that school completed, and then watch the kids of only the Rich, Wealthy and well to do attend the schools their money built, I think is very very bad! Its sort of the same way that a Pastor would fly in a Gulfstream Jet with the monies he collect from his poor congregation who sometimes trek to church, give their offering and trek back home..

Anybody who dosent see this as wrong, all I can say is may you never be poor.. May you never be in the position to contribute to something and never be able to enjoy it.. Here is a price check of Private University tuitions.. (Church Unis);

1. BOWEN University owned and operated by a Baptist Convention, charges ₦650,000 as tuition fees per session.

2. COVENANT University established by Bishop Oyedepo of Winners Chapel ₦640,000 as tuition fees per session.

3. BENSON IDAHOSA University charges ₦500,000 as tuition fees per session.

4. BABCOCK University established by The Seventh Day Adventist, charges ₦450,000 as tuition fees per session.

5. REDEEMERS University owned by The Redeemed Christian Church of God , charges ₦450,000 as tuition fees per session.

6. AJAYI CROWTHER University established by The Supra diocesan board of the church of Nigeria (Anglican Communion), charges ₦350,000per session.

7. MADONNA University a Catholic University charges ₦350,000 as tuition fees per session.

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I wonder how many civil servants can afford these fees?! In a country where minimum wage of 18,000 naira is still hard for the government to pay?! And the government is still the highest employerof labour in this same country. I wonder how many Farmers can afford these fees?! I wonder how many Artisans can afford these fees?! Go into our villages, even those where you need a canoe to access, you will see Redeemed church there, you will see Wunners Chapel and all these other churches, those villagers also contributed in their own small way to these schools and the sad part is that while they keep praying for God to better their lot so they can afford to send their kids to these schools which their monies have built, the pastor is enjoying the proceeds from their investments..

Now I understand that University education is expensive.. Infact, I am a stong proponent for Universities to be autonomous and allowed to charge as much as is necessary for them to run, however, I also believe in Merit scholarship, partial scholarships and stuffs like that.. The churches dont even offer any sort of scholarship scheme for the less privileged members.. And the amazing part is that the members themselves see nothing wrong in this o!! But the day the government increases a state university tuition fee from 50 thousand to 75 thousand, see them rioting and carrying placards..

P.S: The two cheapest private schools on that list are Anglican and Catholic universities..
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Okija_juju:


[size=13pt] So in other words, what you are saying is:Quality Education is Expensive, so F(uc)k the poor peoples.. I like your style![/size]

Okija_juju: [size=13pt]Brethren and Sistren, Please open your biblbes with me to the book of MATTHEW 12: 13 [b] And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves, "It is written," he said to them, "'My house will be called a house of prayer,' but you are making it a 'den of robbers.'"


What we are witnessing today is that the house of God has graduated from being a house of prayers to becoming an avenue to defraud people. When they want to build these churches, they collect offerings from the congregation both rich & poor for many years and so it can be said that the they contributed to build that church.. Iya Ileke Idi that sells Pure Water at Obalende contributed to that school, Baba Bluetooth the fisherman at Makoko contributed to that school. And for them to see that school completed, and then watch the kids of only the Rich, Wealthy and well to do attend the schools their money built, I think is very very bad! Its sort of the same way that a Pastor would fly in a Gulfstream Jet with the monies he collect from his poor congregation who sometimes trek to church, give their offering and trek back home..

Anybody who dosent see this as wrong, all I can say is may you never be poor.. May you never be in the position to contribute to something and never be able to enjoy it.. Here is a price check of Private University tuitions.. (Church Unis);

1. BOWEN University owned and operated by a Baptist Convention, charges ₦650,000 as tuition fees per session.

2. COVENANT University established by Bishop Oyedepo of Winners Chapel ₦640,000 as tuition fees per session.

3. BENSON IDAHOSA University charges ₦500,000 as tuition fees per session.

4. BABCOCK University established by The Seventh Day Adventist, charges ₦450,000 as tuition fees per session.

5. REDEEMERS University owned by The Redeemed Christian Church of God , charges ₦450,000 as tuition fees per session.

6. AJAYI CROWTHER University established by The Supra diocesan board of the church of Nigeria (Anglican Communion), charges ₦350,000per session.

7. MADONNA University a Catholic University charges ₦350,000 as tuition fees per session.

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I wonder how many civil servants can afford these fees?! In a country where minimum wage of 18,000 naira is still hard for the government to pay?! And the government is still the highest employerof labour in this same country. I wonder how many Farmers can afford these fees?! I wonder how many Artisans can afford these fees?! Go into our villages, even those where you need a canoe to access, you will see Redeemed church there, you will see Wunners Chapel and all these other churches, those villagers also contributed in their own small way to these schools and the sad part is that while they keep praying for God to better their lot so they can afford to send their kids to these schools which their monies have built, the pastor is enjoying the proceeds from their investments..

Now I understand that University education is expensive.. Infact, I am a stong proponent for Universities to be autonomous and allowed to charge as much as is necessary for them to run, however, I also believe in Merit scholarship, partial scholarships and stuffs like that.. The churches dont even offer any sort of scholarship scheme for the less privileged members.. And the amazing part is that the members themselves see nothing wrong in this o!! But the day the government increases a state university tuition fee from 50 thousand to 75 thousand, see them rioting and carrying placards..

P.S: The two cheapest private schools on that list are Anglican and Catholic universities..
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damzbaba: Most contributions are voluntary. Regardless of how many times, donations are called for in Churches, people can not give what they do not have. While I agree with the fact that these schools are very expensive, how much really is the value of a quality education? We cannot begin to compare the fees of Government schools with Religious private universities because of the difference in funding and budgetary allocations. The fees are heavily subisdized by the government. For these private universities to be equally affordable (subsidized) the congregation will need to donate more. You cannot even begin to compare facilities, accomodation and privileges some of these private universities provide with that of some state owned schools. Even Religious universities abroad are expensive. The best that happens for congregation members is a percentage fee waiver. If we agree that both rich and poor contribute towards the building of these schools, are we agreeing that the poor contribute more in terms of donation? If the universities built by the funds of both poor and rich were opened to all their kids, which funds would be used to run those universities? Wouldn't the poor have to contribute more and pay fees at the same time? What would the criteria for entry/admission be? The best the universities can do is to make a number of merit based scholarships available to all members' families regardless of economic standing as a means of creating fair opportunity, while accepting students who can pay fees to help them continue a sustainable model. Running a university is no small feat. Religion aside, in business and shareholding, not all shareholders have the same privileges. Some seat on the board, some pull strings and have their kids/family members employed by the companies, and others just wait to receive their dividends. Religions Universities are not charity institutions.

Area_boy:

are you on a medication??

Even ten naira from a member every Sunday will be attributed to funding a university. we are not talking tens of people here but thousands

m.k.o2005:

Don't be deceived my brother.The devil is happy when you say things like this ! Churches are you and I if you are a christian.
Joe said 'what's the vision behind the school buildings !

chucky234: I always ask myself same question all the time,if the early missionaries who made it possible for Nigerians to embrace education were as greedy as the present generation I wonder what would have happened to many of us born in the 70s.
Its a disturbing trend that need serious attention from the congregation,but their urge for miracles will not give the time to realise that they have been deceived by their pastors.
I dont make monetary contributions in church simply because a pastor says the lord will bless me in a thousand fold,bible told us that many shall come in sheep clothing and will do things in such a way that will convince the people that they are of the lord.
These churches in their quest to extort members preach nothing else than prosperity,they no longer preach about salvation or winning souls for Christ which is suppose to be our primary assignment on earth.