Reyginus: You still dont get the point. For the subjects in heaven, the word 'holiness' has no 'comparison'.
Their is nothing like holy, holier, holiest among them.
Been the least in God's kingdom does not make one less holy, it only points to a lower responsibility.

obadiah777: SO WHY WOULD YOU NEED TO USE AN IRON ROD ON A HOLY PERSON ?

Reyginus: lol.
So why would God allow an unholy person into heaven?

Reyginus: lol.
So why would God allow an unholy person into heaven?

obadiah777: UBENEDICTUS YOU HAVE BEEN ADDED TO THE LIST OF NAIRALAND PHARISEES. A FEW REINCARNATION SCRIPTURES FOR YOU. IF YOU ARE SPIRITUAL ENOUGH YOU WILL RECIEVE IT

JOHN 9 VS 2 And his disciples asked him, saying, Teacher, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?

REVELATION 1 VS 7 Behold, he comes with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also who pierced him: and all tribes of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

ECLESIASTES 3 VS 15 That which hath been is now; and that which is to be hath already been; and God requireth that which is past.

THE BIBLE IS NOT OVERT, IT IS COVERTLY WRITTEN IN HIDDEN WORDS AND PHRASES. THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE NOT DECIPHERED REINCARNATION TELLS ME YOU ARE NOT SPIRITUAL ENOUGH. YOU NEED TO DO MORE WORK ON YOUR STUDIES UBENEDICTUS, AFTERALL SCRIPTURE DO SAY 'STUDY TO SHOW YOURSELF APPROVED'.

PSALMS 78 VS 2 I will open my mouth in parables, I will utter hidden things, things from of old-

Ubenedictus: Wow! Wow! Wow! I just saw this, 'the list of pharisees? Wow! I didnt know nairaland had such a list, can u give me all the names on the list? hahaha, this doesnt even ref. Reincarnation, the question is becos d jew believed (u may see it in the bible) that the fault of d parent can b visited on d children to d 4th generation.

this is the 2nd coming of christ there is no mention of reincarnation there. Or are u telling me that wen u 'reincarnated' u decended frm d clouds and everyone saw u?

this doesnt support u either, it is telling us that in God everything is in the present, and everything is preconcieved. reincarnation isnt there my friend.

hahahaha, it is given unto man to die once and after that comes judgement. If u like believe u will die 20times, my bible didnt say that.

obadiah777: OH BUT MY BROTHER YOU ERR

MALACHI 3 VS 18 Then shall ye return, and discern between the righteous and the wicked, between him that serveth God and him that serveth him not..

THERE IS A HUGE PRICE FOR REJECTING GOD. THE HUGE PRICE IS YOU WILL BE A SUBJECT WITH FREEWILL TO BE BAD BUT WITH THE REMOVAL OF GRACE IT WILL BE IMPOSSIBLE TO SIN BECAUSE YOU WILL BE JACKED UP PRONTO. SO BASICALLY YOU ARE STEWING IN YOUR OWN DESIRES AND LUSTS AND CANT DO NOTHING ABOUT IT BECAUSE THE ROD OF IRON IS STARING YOU IN THE FACE. THATS HELL.

seriallink:

Matthew 5:19 talks about being least or Great in the Kingdom of God. So, I think people who are holier would be greater in the Kingdom of God; their rewards won't be the same as the others!

Reyginus: I dont understand how the verse in quote, relates with the ability to sin in heaven.
Explain.

obadiah777: YOU DO KNOW THAT EVERYBODY IN THE WORLD WILL MAKE IT INTO HEAVEN RIGHT ? HEAVEN IS NOT SOME IDEALIZED EXTRA HOLY PLACE IN THE SKY. HEAVEN IS ON EARTH WITH RIGHTEOUS LEADERSHIP. WHEN THE LEADERSHIP ON EARTH IS HOLY, THE EARTH BECOMES HOLY AND PUNISHMENT IS ADMINISTERED SWIFTLY AND PROMPTLY AND EFFECTIVELY WITHOUT PREJUDICE ACROSS THE BOARD. THIS IS WHAT HEAVEN IS. BELIEVE IT OR NOT BUT SOME OF THESE FOOLS WILL TRY TO SIN WHEN THAT LEADERSHIP HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED AND THEY WILL GET SWIFT JUDGEMENT.

SEE YOU NEED TO DETACH FROM THAT ROMAN CATHOLIC DOGMA OF HOLY PEOPLE WILL MAKE IT TO HEAVEN WHILE SINNERS WILL BE PUT IN A SEPERATE PLACE CALLED HELL. WHEN BIBLE SPEAKS OF 'NEW HEAVEN' IT IS REFERING TO 'NEW LEADERSHIP'. NOW THOSE WHO DONT MAKE IT WILL BE PUT IN HELL BUT IT IS A CONDITION NOT A PLACE.

obadiah777: I GUESS YOU ARE NOT SPIRITUAL ENOUGH TO RECIEVE IT THEN. LETS TRY ONE MORE TIME

ECCLESIASTES 1 VS 9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.

ECCLESIASTES 6 VS 10 Whatever has been is named already, and it is known that this is man

Ubenedictus: ofcourse there are different rewards, in heaven scriptures say "according to your works" also different authority. But nowhere did scripture talk about sinner in heaven, that idea is alien to and against scriptures.

seriallink:

I think Matthew 5:19 explains it better...read it & you'll get my point, or do you have a better interpretation for it Iron sharpens Iron bro....waiting for your reply!

obadiah777: YOU DO KNOW THAT EVERYBODY IN THE WORLD WILL MAKE IT INTO HEAVEN RIGHT ? HEAVEN IS NOT SOME IDEALIZED EXTRA HOLY PLACE IN THE SKY. HEAVEN IS ON EARTH WITH RIGHTEOUS LEADERSHIP. WHEN THE LEADERSHIP ON EARTH IS HOLY, THE EARTH BECOMES HOLY AND PUNISHMENT IS ADMINISTERED SWIFTLY AND PROMPTLY AND EFFECTIVELY WITHOUT PREJUDICE ACROSS THE BOARD. THIS IS WHAT HEAVEN IS. BELIEVE IT OR NOT BUT SOME OF THESE FOOLS WILL TRY TO SIN WHEN THAT LEADERSHIP HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED AND THEY WILL GET SWIFT JUDGEMENT.

SEE YOU NEED TO DETACH FROM THAT ROMAN CATHOLIC DOGMA OF HOLY PEOPLE WILL MAKE IT TO HEAVEN WHILE SINNERS WILL BE PUT IN A SEPERATE PLACE CALLED HELL. WHEN BIBLE SPEAKS OF 'NEW HEAVEN' IT IS REFERING TO 'NEW LEADERSHIP'. NOW THOSE WHO DONT MAKE IT WILL BE PUT IN HELL BUT IT IS A CONDITION NOT A PLACE.

Ubenedictus: i thought i was the only person wu is seeing that obadiah arguement isnt scriptural

Reyginus: I think I understand where the problem lies.
Greatness is not the same thing as holiness brother.
Maybe we should start from you explaining to us how, why and what makes them synonymous?

seriallink:

Thanks there bro, Infact that was what I was tryna' explain to Reyginus; I have created a separate thread for it, let us not derail Obadiah's thread, I never knew he was talking about the possibility of sinning in Heaven

I vehemently beleive there is a hierarchy in Heaven which was why the Jesus talked about least & great in the Kingdom of Heaven (Matthew 5:19); every man would be rewarded according to his works!

Reyginus: ofcourse their is a heirrachy, but it is not based on degrees of holiness.

seriallink:

I never said the words are the same in meaning!

It's clearly written, at least from the verse you can decode it that there are people who are holier than others which is why their rewards won't be the same!

Some would be rewarded with greatness while others with the least rewards in Heaven for not fully obeying the Lord's words!! That was my point bro, I hope you understand what I mean~

seriallink:

If it isn't based on degree of holiness, what is it based on then Because Jesus said this Himself in Matthew 5:19. Shade more light bro

Reyginus: I understand what you mean. The point is, holiness has no 'comparison' in heaven. No subject will be holiest among the holy. The moment you start making comparison in heavenly holiness, you deviate to the existence of sin which will require a higher form of holiness to be overcomed.

seriallink:

Oh okay, I got your point now; I wasn't debating on the possibity of sinning in Heaven! The citizens of Heaven MUST all be holy but different rewards! So, some would rule over d others!

seriallink:

Thanks there bro, Infact that was what I was tryna' explain to Reyginus; I have created a separate thread for it, let us not derail Obadiah's thread, I never knew he was talking about the possibility of sinning in Heaven

I vehemently beleive there is a hierarchy in Heaven which was why Jesus talked about least & great in the Kingdom of Heaven (Matthew 5:19); every man would be rewarded according to his works!

Reyginus: I think I understand where the problem lies.
Greatness is not the same thing as holiness brother.
Maybe we should start from you explaining to us how, why and what makes them synonymous?

Ubenedictus: this doesnt even support ur stance

wow, u really need to bring those verse that support u so we can see them. Have u started making things up?

Ubenedictus: in my short time on nairaland i have learnt that everybody wu cant prove his point has found a way to pin the issue on the catholic church. Do you mind showing me where the bible says that "those in heaven can sin"?

Reyginus: I understand where you are coming from.
Could you please qoute a verse of the bible where it was written that everybody will make heaven.
Hope you are not confusing it with Revelation 7:13-17.(I know what you can do)

obadiah777: Haaaaa but you err. Heaven is new leadership on earth. so earth will be earth ( ecclesiastes 1 vs 4 ) but with righteous leadership. so we will all be in heaven but some people will 'be in hell in heaven' if that makes sense. those who need to pay for their sins will pay for their sins under this new heaven ( new leadership ). so you will be in hell in heaven. if you are spiritual enough, meditate on this verse. really meditate

revelations 2 vs 26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

obadiah777: scriptures is not for people like you Ube. the lord spoke about you. this is what he said

john 4 vs 48 Unless you people see miraculous signs and wonders," Jesus told him, "you will never believe well you aint about to see signs, wonders or obvious explanations in the bible because

pslams 78 vs 2 I will open my mouth in parables, I will utter hidden things so if you are spiritual, you will recieve the parables and hidden things but if you are not, which it is starting to look like you are not, then you will be looking for obvious things that are not hidden.

if you cant decipher what heaven will be like from this hidden verse then i cant help you Ube
revelations 2 vs 26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

Reyginus: You didnt answer the question.
You are dodging.

Ubenedictus: watch out, u will soon b branded a scoffer or ur name may be added to the list of the pharisees.

Ubenedictus: watch out, u will soon b branded a scoffer or ur name may be added to the list of the pharisees.