taigee: God is a God of order.
He says bring your tithe to the priest (your pastor)
He say also remember the poor always and give them of your substance.
Its purely two different things don't be hypocritical like Judas here.

Joh 12:1 Then Jesus six days before the passover came to Bethany, where Lazarus was which had been dead, whom he raised from the dead.
Joh 12:2 There they made him a supper; and Martha served: but Lazarus was one of them that sat at the table with him.
Joh 12:3 Then took Mary a pound of ointment of spikenard, very costly, and anointed the feet of Jesus, and wiped his feet with her hair: and the house was filled with the odour of the ointment.
Joh 12:4 Then saith one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, which should betray him,
Joh 12:5 Why was not this ointment sold for three hundred pence, and given to the poor?
Joh 12:6 This he said, not that he cared for the poor; but because he was a thief, and had the bag, and bare what was put therein.
Joh 12:7 Then said Jesus, Let her alone: against the day of my burying hath she kept this.
Joh 12:8 For the poor always ye have with you; but me ye have not always.

You may not like the idea of taking your tithe to your Pastor, but that's God's commandment.

Neh 10:37 And that we should bring the firstfruits of our dough, and our offerings, and the fruit of all manner of trees, of wine and of oil, unto the priests, to the chambers of the house of our God; and the tithes of our ground unto the Levites, that the same Levites might have the tithes in all the cities of our tillage.

Your blessing is in obedience.

A-ZeD:
[size=15pt]Everybody who has supported tithing has quoted Malachi 3:10 only;[/size]
@Fhemmmy and all tithers in the house please answer my questions

1)Who was God talking to in Malachi? (pls read from Malachi 1)
2)If you say people give their tithes to God and not the pastor why is it a problem giving it to God through a poor man?
3)2 Cor 9:7 Says every man should give as he desires in his heart, not grudgingly or of necessity(compulsion): for God loves a cheerful give. Why was the bolded included if tithes where compulsory?
4)In all of Jesus teachings as regard giving, it was give to the poor/people who can't repay you e.t.c not once did he mention church. Why?
5)what does Matthew 25:35-40 mean?
6)In the time of Malachi, any where the ark of the covenant was kept became the temple. Today the temple is our hearts so why does paying my tithes have to be in a church? (Hint: understand question 3, reaad question 6 very well)
7)Abraham paid his tithes from the spoils of war not his wealth so why should i pay mine from my salary?
8}Abraham was already rich before he paid his tithes, Jesus said seek yee the Kingdom of heaven and its righteousness and [b]everything [/b]shall be given unto you. Why do i have to pay tithes to be blessed when christ says all i need to be blessed is to seek heaven? (Hint: understand question 1)
9)Can anyone of you explain Hebrews 7?
10)Which of the apostles paid tithes?

Thanks

Flyboy Zee:

I know you know so much about cars, but I think tithe is off-limits for you.
Now, please answer these questions objectively to get a true idea of my own school of thought.
1. The Malachi you quoted, was it before Christ's coming or after His coming?
2. When did Christianity began? Was it before Christ or after Christ?
3. What did the New Testament say about the laws now written in the heart of men?
4. Show me in the New Testament where tithing was attached to a blessing?
5. From Malachi, Please describe the store house of the Lord (quote relevant New Testament verses if any to back up your argument).
6. What about the other laws (Drink offering, Burnt Offering, Dedication of the first born male to the Lord, etc) that were given at the time the law of tithing was given, are you still observing them?
7. What did Christ himself say about giving? Did he direct Christians to give to a particular person(s) or group?
8. By the way, What is Christianity? Is it bound by Laws or by Grace?
9. What is the utmost aim of Christianity? is it to receive earthly blessings or to make heaven in the end?

Until you answer these questions with relevant bible quotations (New Testament), you may just be walking with the Anti-Christs straight to hell with your bible in your hands and your eyes wide open. Don't let anybody deceive you with their talks, read the bible its always there for you.

joe4christ:

[size=15pt]Here are lists of all the bible verses from the Old and New
Testament that are about tithing.
[/size]

Genesis 14:20 – Melchizedek comes out to meet
Abraham, as Abraham gives him a tithe of the spoils of
his victory.
Genesis 28:20-22 – After the vision of God’s renewed
covenant, Jacob initiates a covenant with God vowing to
give him a tithe of what he receives from the promised
land.
Leviticus 27:30-32 – The specifications of the tithe is
introduced into the law of Moses.
Numbers 18:20-32 – The tithe is dedicated the Levites for
the work in the tabernacle.
Deuteronomy 12:5-11 – God gives instructions for what
to do with the tithe once Israel crosses the Jordan.
Deuteronomy 14:22-29 – God gives instructions on how
to disperse and exchange the tithe.
Deuteronomy 26:12-15 – God gives instructions on how
Israel should sanctify the tithe before they can ask for a
blessing.
2 Chronicles 31:5-12 – The children of Israel do what’s
right under the reign of Hezekiah, and bring the tithes to
the designated places.
Nehemiah 10:37-38 – Israel obeys God and brings the
tithes to the storehouse.
Nehemiah 12:44 – Officers were appointed to watch over
the tithes in the storehouse.
Nehemiah 13:5-12 – Nehemiah cleanses the storehouse
and kicks Tobiah out of the room that was designated to
store the tithe. He then restores order.
Amos 4:4 – God commands Israel to bring back the tithe
and reiterates the curse that is upon them if they don’t.
Malachi 3:8-10 – God reprimands Israel for not delivering
the tithe, and reiterates the blessings and curse that
would be in result of whatever decision they chose.
Matthew 23:23 – Jesus rebukes the Pharisees for not
obeying the weightier matters of the law along with
tithing.
Luke 11:42 – A parallel passage of Matthew 23:23 as Jesus
rebukes the Pharisees for not obeying the weightier
matters of the law along with tithing.
Luke 18:12 – A Pharisee brags about his obedience to the
law and tithing.
Hebrews 7:5-9 – Abraham’s tithe is used to illustrate a
change concerning the priesthood.

gzib:
@flyboy pls, don't get agitated,though many will considering what is happening today in Nigeria especially, but i learnt a lot of things from Matthew 23:23 and this is Jesus speaking:- "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices--mint, dill and cummin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law--justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former".
His last words there said without neglecting the former which is the tithe. BUT, salvation and doing Justice is more important. showing mercy also is very important, which is like helping the poor.
What i see most pastors do today is that they don't care whether you are born again or not, but they just want your tithe. Salvation should be first and others follow.
The bible says Seek you first the kingdom of God and its righteousness and all other things will be added to it.
First you seek the kingdom of God.
Secondly, you can pay tithe and have mercy on the needy without neglecting any. if you are not blessed to pay tithe, don't pay. A man that doesn't have an income cannot pay tithe of mint or farm produce.
What they pay as tithe before to the Levite like food stuff etc has been replaced by salary of today. The Catholic church is the oldest christian church,That i know, i might be wrong, and they brought the tithing to the Levite as harvest of today because they started with people that their main source of income is farming and trading.
Many pastors misuse tithe! i agree, my own is to pay it, free my mind and let them use it right. i will not judge them if they use it wrongly, God will surely do.
And Christianity is first to make heaven and other blessings that will make you leave a stress free life will follow on earth.
Burnt offerings and drink offerings and first child dedication has been taken over by Christ, he is the first of the begotten. Christian dedicate all their children now but no more burnt or drink offering cos the blood of Christ is washing us everyday.
@A-Zed, did the Levite pay tithe from war? it is not only from war! what that symbolizes is that he received a blessing from the war, going and coming with even more, and he paid from the spoil of the war which is not his' at the beginning but gained from the battle.
If you won't pay from salary what do you want to pay from? that is the job you do just like people b4 now farms, trade, sell etc.
I believe for me, that what Jesus say in Matthew 23:23 is enough for me to continue to pay. if i don't have any income today, surely i will not pay. SALVATION IS IMPORTANT FIRST FOR YOU TO SEE THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN.

joe4christ:

No, you go back and check my response to that question, my pastor is not my teacher, the holy spirit is, i guess that's the difference between you and i, i listen to the holy spirit unvailing mysteries of the kindom of God while you listen to the wisdom of men the bible says will fail.
Who do you listen to?

A-ZeD:

Abraham paid his tithes not from his wealth but from the spoils of war so why would you tell me to pay from my salary?
Jacob promised to give GOD. God did not ask. You can promise to give GOD.... its not compulsory
Matthew 23:23, Luke 11:42 Jesus rebukes the pharisees for paying tithes and ignoring the most important part of the law(Faith, mercy and justice). [size=15pt]How does this equate to Jesus saying we should pay tithes?
[/size]
Amos 4:4 Come to bethel and transgress; at gilgal multiply transgression and bring your sacrifices every morning and your TITHES AFTER 3 YEARS.
Remember all those parts also requires sacrifice so do you offer sacrifice?

joe4christ:


And why do i sense you trying to dodge the other part of that verse where he said [size=15pt]You should have
practiced the latter, without neglecting the former".[/size]
His last words there said without neglecting the
former which is the tithe. BUT, salvation and doing
Justice is more important. showing mercy also is very
important, which is like helping the poor.
Why do you twist the scripture just to suite yourself really?
Have you forgotten the very word of our lord when he said - Matthew 5:17 "Don't misunderstand why I have come. I
did not come to abolish the law of Moses
or the writings of the prophets. No, I
came to accomplish their purpose.''

I did'nt say the above, he said it so please, let's get it right while there's still opportunity to.
God bless!!!

joe4christ:

[size=15pt]Here are lists of all the bible verses from the Old and New
Testament that are about tithing.
[/size]

Genesis 14:20 – Melchizedek comes out to meet
Abraham, as Abraham gives him a tithe of the spoils of
his victory.
Genesis 28:20-22 – After the vision of God’s renewed
covenant, Jacob initiates a covenant with God vowing to
give him a tithe of what he receives from the promised
land.
Leviticus 27:30-32 – The specifications of the tithe is
introduced into the law of Moses.
Numbers 18:20-32 – The tithe is dedicated the Levites for
the work in the tabernacle.
Deuteronomy 12:5-11 – God gives instructions for what
to do with the tithe once Israel crosses the Jordan.
Deuteronomy 14:22-29 – God gives instructions on how
to disperse and exchange the tithe.
Deuteronomy 26:12-15 – God gives instructions on how
Israel should sanctify the tithe before they can ask for a
blessing.
2 Chronicles 31:5-12 – The children of Israel do what’s
right under the reign of Hezekiah, and bring the tithes to
the designated places.
Nehemiah 10:37-38 – Israel obeys God and brings the
tithes to the storehouse.
Nehemiah 12:44 – Officers were appointed to watch over
the tithes in the storehouse.
Nehemiah 13:5-12 – Nehemiah cleanses the storehouse
and kicks Tobiah out of the room that was designated to
store the tithe. He then restores order.
Amos 4:4 – God commands Israel to bring back the tithe
and reiterates the curse that is upon them if they don’t.
Malachi 3:8-10 – God reprimands Israel for not delivering
the tithe, and reiterates the blessings and curse that
would be in result of whatever decision they chose.
Matthew 23:23 – Jesus rebukes the Pharisees for not
obeying the weightier matters of the law along with
tithing.
Luke 11:42 – A parallel passage of Matthew 23:23 as Jesus
rebukes the Pharisees for not obeying the weightier
matters of the law along with tithing.
Luke 18:12 – A Pharisee brags about his obedience to the
law and tithing.
Hebrews 7:5-9 – Abraham’s tithe is used to illustrate a
change concerning the priesthood.

Pastor Kun: @Joe4christ
There is absolutely no way you would have the holy spirit within you and you would teach/preach the fraudulent doctrine of tithes which denies the saving grace of our lord Jesus christ and attempts to make his final sacrifice in vain. I put it to you with all due respect that all you have written up here are pathological lies. God NEVER requested tithes of christians and no matter how much you try to manipulate sccriptures and lie to us that the holy spirit talks to you, the word of God would NEVER change. You seriously need to repent.

gzib:

I believe for me, that what Jesus say in Matthew 23:23 is enough for me to continue to pay. if i don't have any income today, surely i will not pay. SALVATION IS IMPORTANT FIRST FOR YOU TO SEE THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN.

Mintayo:

I hope the pastor behind your name is real,otherwise you will not be talking to a brother like that!
I totally support Him,i don't know why we christains are so short-sighted,trying to explain the things of God with reasoning when Jesus said the Holy Spirit will lead us in all truth!
If you have the Holy Spirit with you,you will seek His help and He will lead you to all truth as joe4christ has said!
Let the Holy Spirit guide you/us,not your reasoning or your pastor! I believe you don't have the Holy Spirit within you because if you do,you will not b talking like this!
I believe the problem of every1 here is not abt paying the tithe but we have problems with pastor enriching themselves by 'commanding' people to pay tithe, and if we have the Holy Spirit within us we will know that it is non of our business to know or find out what our pastors are doing with our tithe(that is if we are paying) and i know that is why most of us are in different bondage bcus of our lack of understanding of the efficacy of tithe paying!
Note that your tithe is not a tithe until you give it in your place of worship!
It is not a tithe until it passes through a priest(pastor etc)!
It is not a tithe until you have an understanding(believe in) of what you are doing!
It is not a tithe until you give it with an open mind(not thinking abt what ur pastor will do with it)!
Tithe is not a debt you owe and pay,it is a seed you sow!

Lets us check our heart and lives(especially those of us that don't pay tithe),somethings will be lacking in our lives expect we pay our tithe to God!

gr8mee: Paying of tithe is an instruction from the bible, why ask if you should pay to the church? You are suppose to pay 10% of what you receive, after paying 10% you still have the rest with you, so why not give the poor from the remaining? Why must it be your tithe that you should give to the poor? I put it to you that you normally don't like paying your tithe to church so you're using the poor as an excuse

joe4christ:


And why do i sense you trying to dodge the other part of that verse where he said [size=15pt]You should have
practiced the latter, without neglecting the former".[/size]
His last words there said without neglecting the
former which is the tithe. BUT, salvation and doing
Justice is more important. showing mercy also is very
important, which is like helping the poor.
Why do you twist the scripture just to suite yourself really?
Have you forgotten the very word of our lord when he said - Matthew 5:17 "Don't misunderstand why I have come. I
did not come to abolish the law of Moses
or the writings of the prophets. No, I
came to accomplish their purpose.''

I did'nt say the above, he said it so please, let's get it right while there's still opportunity to.
God bless!!!

Mintayo:

Note that your tithe is not a tithe until you give it in your place of worship!
It is not a tithe until it passes through a priest(pastor etc)!

simeonabio:
And for those who claim that tithe is old testament, they should stop claiming promises from the old testament!

Logicboy03:

Gerrout! Thief, Tithe Fraud!
Lol.......I would rather burn in hell than share heaven with a thief like you. Pastors like you are evil

Joagbaje:

Take it easy. You dont have to burn in hell because of my post . Take it or leave it . Just move on .

benbrains: Tithe is simply a one-tenth part of something, which could be your earnings, income...etc
There are obviously ten of this one-tenth in every income or earnings, you can however choose to whom you want to give yours.
For those of us in the faith we have chosen to give ours to the church from where we get words that bless us. (Mal 3:10). Some of us have even gone as far as giving sth much more than the tithe of our income/earnings (to the church and to the poor).
For your financial security pay your tithe to the church (if you attend one) and perhaps some other part to the poor).
Finally, the bible says, he that giveth to the poor lendeth to the lord, and he that giveth to a prophet receiveth a propheic reward.
Be smart, choose wisely, choose a better financial future.

benbrains: Tithe is simply a one-tenth part of something, which could be your earnings, income...etc
There are obviously ten of this one-tenth in every income or earnings, you can however choose to whom you want to give yours.
For those of us in the faith we have chosen to give ours to the church from where we get words that bless us. (Mal 3:10). Some of us have even gone as far as giving sth much more than the tithe of our income/earnings (to the church and to the poor).
For your financial security pay your tithe to the church (if you attend one) and perhaps some other part to the poor).
Finally, the bible says, he that giveth to the poor lendeth to the lord, and he that giveth to a prophet receiveth a propheic reward.
Be smart, choose wisely, choose a better financial future.

A-ZeD:

Abraham paid his tithes not from his wealth but from the spoils of war so why would you tell me to pay from my salary?
Jacob promised to give GOD. God did not ask. You can promise to give GOD.... its not compulsory
Matthew 23:23, Luke 11:42 Jesus rebukes the pharisees for paying tithes and ignoring the most important part of the law(Faith, mercy and justice). How does this equate to Jesus saying we should pay tithes?
Amos 4:4 Come to bethel and transgress; at gilgal multiply transgression and bring your sacrifices every morning and your TITHES AFTER 3 YEARS.
Remember all those parts also requires sacrifice so do you offer sacrifice?

Fhemmmy:

Please educate me more on this, the spoil of war was what?

thelastPope:

There was no other example of Abraham paying tithes. When God discussed his covenant elaborately with Abraham, he never mentioned tithes. Abraham never instructed his children to pay tithes. It was only mentioned once and it was the spoils of war. He didn't even collect the remaining part of the spoils. The Israelites never paid tithe till the levites were separated from the remaining tribes unto God. And they didn't actually start paying tithes to the levites until they reached the promised land!

Fhemmmy:

The kinda of sacrifices that Abraham did, could you get close to it?
When God told him to get up and go to lands he never knew, could you? When he told him to go and sacrifice his child, could you even think of it?
It is easier for us to pick and chose what part of the bible that is fun to us and yet leave the other?

If we wanna follow the example of what someone did, we shd be willing to follow it all the way . . .