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Re: Atheists In The House, What Are Your Views On Abortion? by Nobody: 2:52pm On Nov 04, 2012 |
Billyonaire: I understand that. That too is a mystery for me... I was debating the notion that there is no such thing as a soul. Anyway...i was checking out this site earlier: http://www.babycenter.com/fetal-development-week-by-week i think people should check it out first before speaking on this issue. what i got from it is that the human baby's organs are not fully developed prior to the first month with the exception of the heart which will beat by week 9. Now as you said we don't know when the "soul" enters the body and that is the troubling part. |
Re: Atheists In The House, What Are Your Views On Abortion? by ACM10: 2:54pm On Nov 04, 2012 |
*Kails*:Are you telling me that so-called soul has supplanted the functions of your brain? Let me tell you; if something happens to your brain and knocks off its functions, you will have no soul to converse with. |
Re: Atheists In The House, What Are Your Views On Abortion? by idtreasures(m): 2:57pm On Nov 04, 2012 |
[img][/img] Abortion is Evil. Abortionists are murderers. The worst thing to happen to any Man, Woman, Girl or Boy is to lose his or her Soul. Do not do it. Do not partake in it. Do not encourage it. 1 Like
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Re: Atheists In The House, What Are Your Views On Abortion? by Nobody: 2:59pm On Nov 04, 2012 |
ACM10: Good, so we are clear, I am ready to learn from you and I will implore that we keep an open mind so we can address each questions as they come. The tripartite nature of living things are real, both plants and animals. While the physical body is just made up of earth materials, soul is purely ethereal but spirit is energy component of all things both living and non-living. During pregnancy, the foetus shares fluids and major functions with the mother and is indeed much more of an organ of the woman connected via the placenta and getting all vital nutrients through same mode. It is not a separate entity until child birth, soul pervades space, so at child birth, at first breath of oxygen, the air via the longs animates the brain and the 5 chakras of the body which are the tendons of soul to the physical body and put the foetus on life-mode, and the body of the child is jump started just like starting a car, this body will vibrate every 4 seconds until Death as we know it, So in essence, all living things has inner vibrations that keeps it roaring as far as soul resides in there. It is at first breath of air, which contains oxygen that a child becomes different entity from the mom. It is after breath of first breath that someone can be accused of murder if that child is killed. So in essence, if doctors can convince me that the foetus they abort breaths during the abortion then its murder, but in all cases, abortion occurs before such a time that the respiratory organs of the foetus is fully formed, so in essence, no life is lost, cos the foetus was not alive as an independent entity but as an organ of the mother. |
Re: Atheists In The House, What Are Your Views On Abortion? by Nobody: 2:59pm On Nov 04, 2012 |
ACM10: lol obviously. We were but fragile beings designed to use our heads but that does not change the fact that our soul is required for our existence. I could have a hemispherectomy (partial brain removal) and STILL be alive my dear. Right, Left, Frontal or rear why do you think that is? |
Re: Atheists In The House, What Are Your Views On Abortion? by LordBabs(m): 2:59pm On Nov 04, 2012 |
wiegraf:thank you. Even me sef don sincerely challenged my mama before say why she no abort my pregnancy. She com born me for inside dis damn world of confusion. Haba! |
Re: Atheists In The House, What Are Your Views On Abortion? by LordBabs(m): 3:02pm On Nov 04, 2012 |
ACM10:look, whether you do biology or mamalogy no concern us, logic senior your biology. So, is the foetus ever conscious of its life? 1 Like |
Re: Atheists In The House, What Are Your Views On Abortion? by LordBabs(m): 3:05pm On Nov 04, 2012 |
idtreasures: [img][/img]sharaap there hound! |
Re: Atheists In The House, What Are Your Views On Abortion? by Nobody: 3:06pm On Nov 04, 2012 |
Lord Babs: look, whether you do biology or mamalogy no concern us, [size=18pt]logic senior your biology[/size]. So, is the foetus ever conscious of its life? LOL!!! Thank you!! I hate when people act like that. "Well I studied so and so.." "I have a degree in that and that"...but don't have a lick of common sense! (btw ACM10...im not saying you don't have commonsense but he is right...when it comes issues of morality..credentials/subjects are null and void.) 1 Like |
Re: Atheists In The House, What Are Your Views On Abortion? by Nobody: 3:09pm On Nov 04, 2012 |
ACM10:I think you are mixing up a lot of things. The brain in its physical form, I know you understand the components of the fore brain, the hind brain and the central part of the brain. You are simply dwelling on the physical part of the brain. Have you pondered on the role of brain as function of the mind ? Although that is like derailing this thread, I can throw some lights on the brain as a function of the mind and its relationship to the soul. |
Re: Atheists In The House, What Are Your Views On Abortion? by Nobody: 3:09pm On Nov 04, 2012 |
Lord Babs: thank you. Even me sef don sincerely challenged my mama before say why she no abort my pregnancy. She com born me for inside dis damn world of confusion. Haba! wow...you sound ungrateful. you know how many people were robbed of their lives and here you are wishing your mom aborted you? na wa for some ppl sef!! |
Re: Atheists In The House, What Are Your Views On Abortion? by Shokoloko(f): 3:09pm On Nov 04, 2012 |
When ur in the hospital and u can see ur baby's arms, legs, movements. When u can your baby kick, stretch, push, become restless when the weather is hot, u will know that the baby is not just an organ 2 Likes |
Re: Atheists In The House, What Are Your Views On Abortion? by Nobody: 3:11pm On Nov 04, 2012 |
Billyonaire: I think you are mixing up a lot of things. The brain in its physical form, I know you understand the components of the fore brain, the hind brain and the central part of the brain. You are simply dwelling on the physical part of the brain. Have you pondered on the role of brain, the mind ? Although that is like derailing this thread, I can throw some lights on the brain as a function of the mind and its relationship to the soul. ^^^ thank you. the brain is there to help guide us in controlling our functions and sending information to the body but parts of the brain can be removed and we will STILL be alive and conscious! The brain is ANOTHER ORGAN...period. |
Re: Atheists In The House, What Are Your Views On Abortion? by Burch(m): 3:12pm On Nov 04, 2012 |
musKeeto: No taya ooooo! I'm learning free of charge from u all. Abi make i send lucozade boost for u. Lol 1 Like |
Re: Atheists In The House, What Are Your Views On Abortion? by Nobody: 3:12pm On Nov 04, 2012 |
*Kails*: That is not true, no soul has ever been lost. If his soul was not born by his mom, he would have been born by someone else. Energy can not be created nor destroyed. Theory of reincarnation proves this 100% |
Re: Atheists In The House, What Are Your Views On Abortion? by Nobody: 3:12pm On Nov 04, 2012 |
Shokoloko: When ur in the hospital and u can see ur baby's arms, legs, movements. When u can your baby kick, stretch, push, become restless when the weather is hot, u will know that the baby is not just an organ awe man... that's a beautiful post right there. |
Re: Atheists In The House, What Are Your Views On Abortion? by Nobody: 3:13pm On Nov 04, 2012 |
Billyonaire: GEEEEZE!!!! I was trying to make a point here! lol. |
Re: Atheists In The House, What Are Your Views On Abortion? by Nobody: 3:14pm On Nov 04, 2012 |
*Kails*:Ofcourse brain is just an organ. But there is a control center between the Soul Body and the Physical Body. It is called the MIND in that context, I guess thats what ACM10 confuses the brain with. |
Re: Atheists In The House, What Are Your Views On Abortion? by Nobody: 3:16pm On Nov 04, 2012 |
Billyonaire: Ofcourse brain is just an organ. But there is a control center between the Soul Body and the Physical Body. It is called the MIND in that context, I guess thats what ACM10 confuses the brain with. I like the way you think. I am interested in learning more about your theory. |
Re: Atheists In The House, What Are Your Views On Abortion? by ACM10: 3:17pm On Nov 04, 2012 |
Billyonaire:Billyonaire, you are talking philosophy. Philosophy bores me. I expect you to prove to me of the existence of soul. This is not logic. One thing I learnt in science is that logic sometimes does not apply. Pregnancy lasts for 40 weeks. The respiratory system is the last organ to mature. It matures between 37 - 38wks. But a foetus can be delivered alive at 21wks in US and 28wks in Nigeria. You can see that your concept of soul at birth has been seriously challenged. So, how can you explain the birth of a baby before the respiratory organs are fully formed? Since your concept of soul is tied to the respiratory organ, breathing and oxygen. Let me remind you that most of those babies survive. 2 Likes |
Re: Atheists In The House, What Are Your Views On Abortion? by Nobody: 3:21pm On Nov 04, 2012 |
ACM10: Soul enters @ birth? ACM has a good point here. lol No offense Billyonare but it would make a hell of a lot more sense that the soul enters the body PRIOR to birth. Mind you the baby can blink, kick and feel emotions while in the womb bro. |
Re: Atheists In The House, What Are Your Views On Abortion? by ACM10: 3:24pm On Nov 04, 2012 |
Lord Babs: look, whether you do biology or mamalogy no concern us, logic senior your biology. So, is the foetus ever conscious of its life?YES! There are signs which indicates that foetus is conscious of its life. Some of them are: foetal heart rate foetal kicks etc. But we should not attach sentiment to the issue of abortion. The issue should be left for women to decide. Cos women will ultimately bear the brunt of raising the kid. |
Re: Atheists In The House, What Are Your Views On Abortion? by Nobody: 3:25pm On Nov 04, 2012 |
*Kails*:Funny that a thread on abortion(directed at atheists) descends to an argument about souls.. Since y'all seek to derail the thread, I'd oblige. At over 140 posts, the thread may well have.... Alright @billyonaire: Could you define a soul? Sorry if you've defined it before. The thread's a bit cluttered with random randoms right now... thanks.. |
Re: Atheists In The House, What Are Your Views On Abortion? by Nobody: 3:27pm On Nov 04, 2012 |
ACM10:I made it clear that we need to keep an open mind. Lecture burdens everyone. So let me make it simple. Soul enters a foetus at delivery at first breath of oxygen. And foetus becomes a child. But if for any reason, doctors decide to take the foetus out of the mother's womb, the first port of call is the Oxygenated life-support machine which is actually nothing more than a respiratory aid machine with pure oxygen going into the foetus, nature is purely scientific so I know more science than you actually give me credit for. Whether oxygen is breath naturally by a mature foetus at 9 months or its aided into the lungs at 5 months using life support machine then that foetus is alife and has soul. But abortions are not aided with life support machine, so the foetus are just not alive and has no soul. I hope you understand my explanation. |
Re: Atheists In The House, What Are Your Views On Abortion? by LordBabs(m): 3:28pm On Nov 04, 2012 |
*Kails*:lol! One spectacular quality about we atheists is that we hardly vie to greedily grasp life, inspite that we don't believe in hereinafter bliss. Ironically, the theists who believe in afterlife and always crave for life eternal ahead, exude this ginormous greed to live, and at all cost. The funny naija pastors went further to install security gadgets, upon bokoharam threats, and start frisking worshippers before entering church premises. They call it 'security consciousness'. What an awful gimmickry! Some of these pastors even have personal security details...to guide and guard them from enemies. What happens to their assigned holy spirits and malaikas? Are all these a good emblem of a good morals(at least christian-wise)? Shît happens indeed! 2 Likes |
Re: Atheists In The House, What Are Your Views On Abortion? by KINGwax(m): 3:31pm On Nov 04, 2012 |
ifeness:what is this idiott sayin? How is your comment related to my view on abortion? Well, foolish man, check the question again and reply. 1 Like |
Re: Atheists In The House, What Are Your Views On Abortion? by LordBabs(m): 3:32pm On Nov 04, 2012 |
Burch:buy me vodka or bourbon instead. Na small pikin dey gorge lukewarmzade. |
Re: Atheists In The House, What Are Your Views On Abortion? by ACM10: 3:34pm On Nov 04, 2012 |
Billyonaire: I think you are mixing up a lot of things. The brain in its physical form, I know you understand the components of the fore brain, the hind brain and the central part of the brain. You are simply dwelling on the physical part of the brain. Have you pondered on the role of brain as function of the mind ? Although that is like derailing this thread, I can throw some lights on the brain as a function of the mind and its relationship to the soul.Now, I want you to prove beyond doubt of the existence of soul by quoting any scientific literature or providing a proof. |
Re: Atheists In The House, What Are Your Views On Abortion? by Nobody: 3:34pm On Nov 04, 2012 |
musKeeto:You mention that foetus kicks when in the womb, you are right, just like my stomach convulses when I drink too much beer, and just like people experience muscle pull after muscular activities. It is not any way an indication that the foetus is independent individual. It is just part of the mother connected via the placenta. |
Re: Atheists In The House, What Are Your Views On Abortion? by Nobody: 3:35pm On Nov 04, 2012 |
musKeeto: Lol even if I created a thread directed to women, I couldn't possibly expect the male readers to not comment. That's life. And this topic is about abortion which is well off the charts in its controversy. It could not be discussed by atheists ONLY especially since their disbelief in God would mean there is no belief in a soul which would be used to justify the support of abortion . Judging from your question to Billyonaire I think I am spot on. Lord Babs: lol! One spectacular quality about we atheists is that we hardly vie to greedily grasp life, inspite that we don't believe in hereinafter bliss. Ironically, the theists who believe in afterlife and always crave for life eternal ahead, exude this ginormous greed to live, and at all cost. The funny naija pastors went further to install security gadgets, upon bokoharam threats, and start frisking worshippers before entering church premises. They call it 'security consciousness'. What an awful gimmickry! Some of these pastors even have personal security details...to guide and guard them from enemies. What happens to their assigned holy spirits and malaikas? Are all these a good emblem of a good morals(at least christian-wise)? Shît happens indeed! Lol and...what does that tell you? Those pastors and church/mosque/synagogue go-ers are as anti-theist are you all are. The ones who truly do not believe in God the most are behind the pulpit and the fo0ls who take their every con and speech as gospel but will kill/hurt/insult someone who do not share their views. The good thing about us simple theists is that we don't support atheism but we definitely have no affinity or relationship with these highly hypocritical religious folk. |
Re: Atheists In The House, What Are Your Views On Abortion? by tevinsolt: 3:36pm On Nov 04, 2012 |
it is wrong it is taking a life that can't speak up for itself yet. |
Re: Atheists In The House, What Are Your Views On Abortion? by Nobody: 3:36pm On Nov 04, 2012 |
ACM10: And I want you to prove there is no such thing as a soul. |
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