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Re: Caribbean Indigenes Speak Igbo & Yoruba Languages by bellyjelly: 8:21pm On Nov 11, 2012
phreakabit:

I wasn't joking. . . I was simply stating what years research have found. . . The facial structure and cultural similarities can be used to validate these claims. I am sorry if it offends you. sad
facial structures?lool shocked
Re: Caribbean Indigenes Speak Igbo & Yoruba Languages by odumchi: 8:23pm On Nov 11, 2012
Itoroetti :
Who told u that Ekpe masquerde is IGBO?It is proper Efik/ibibio ting

Ekpe is practiced throughout the Cross River region and is not limited to the Efik; Arochukwu, Abiriba, Ohafia, Abam, Bende, Uzuakoli, Arondizuogu, Ututu, Ihechiowa, and Afikpo are all Igbo communities that practice Ekpe.

Only a handful of Ibibio communities practice Ekpe, by the way.

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Re: Caribbean Indigenes Speak Igbo & Yoruba Languages by igbo2011(m): 8:38pm On Nov 11, 2012
In the book they came before columbus by ivan ertima it shows how africans were in the americas before Europeans. Maybe that's why they say the 13th centrury igbo was spoken.
Re: Caribbean Indigenes Speak Igbo & Yoruba Languages by tpia1: 8:39pm On Nov 11, 2012
icon aus: It is amazing that the article mentioned igbo and yoruba then an inferior tribe yoruba made claim of the discovery and dropped igbo . this sis a clear case of inferiority complex . Seeking relevance where it matters not . It is up to the yorubas to prove their worth in Nigeria and uplift the country instead of claiming carribeans .Whether igbo is spoken there or not , it does not improve our condition in nigeria where igbos reside . This is a discovery that people should comment freely, objectively and maturely without making it bigotry . This is clear of yorubas always seeing igbos as a threat even where unnecessary as in this thread . Probably is likely that other nigerian languages ( minority) are spoken there . Some people should grow up.

even though you're clearly xenophobic, I have to agree i dont know when yorubas started this claiming trend.

I think its probably some mischievious elements (both yoruba and non-yoruba) who are out to wreak havoc within the country as usual.

mischief no dey tire nigerians!

by the time dem finish una with juju and war, sotay nobody remain, una go rest sha.

continue jumping for joy there, saying una don find friend.
Re: Caribbean Indigenes Speak Igbo & Yoruba Languages by OneNaira6: 9:07pm On Nov 11, 2012
I honestly cannot stand when people chest-beat over the most ignorant stuff. There are elements of Yoruba in Cuba, Brazil but not the entire Caribbean nation. Similar to the fact, there are elements of Igbo and Akan in Jamaican patio, some Haitians still contain Igbo elements within their pidgin. Equally the same for some Ibibio words are found in Dominican Republic, etc, etc, etc. Slaves kept some of their language, bits of their culture and many that are tracing their ethnicity as of recent are learning the language of tribes they believe they descended from and some opening places to celebrate those tribes. Equally the same way they have an oyotunji village in south carolina, the same way they have an Igbo village in Virginia. The same way they have a Zulu village in some south american countries (Idk where though, I just read it one of their articles), etc, etc. SMH @ some people
Re: Caribbean Indigenes Speak Igbo & Yoruba Languages by OneNaira6: 9:11pm On Nov 11, 2012
icon aus: It is amazing that the article mentioned igbo and yoruba then an inferior tribe yoruba made claim of the discovery and dropped igbo . this sis a clear case of inferiority complex . Seeking relevance where it matters not . It is up to the yorubas to prove their worth in Nigeria and uplift the country instead of claiming carribeans .Whether igbo is spoken there or not , it does not improve our condition in nigeria where igbos reside . This is a discovery that people should comment freely, objectively and maturely without making it bigotry . This is clear of yorubas always seeing igbos as a threat even where unnecessary as in this thread . Probably is likely that other nigerian languages ( minority) are spoken there . Some people should grow up.

I know there are some ibibio elements in Dominican Republic. I won't be surprised if there are some Bini elements in some Caribbean, Canadian and American nation as well seeing as they were equally in demand as slaves.
Re: Caribbean Indigenes Speak Igbo & Yoruba Languages by Yujin(m): 9:56pm On Nov 11, 2012
Abagworo:


As a matter of fact Igbos in the Southeast never used that Igbo world to address themselves as can be seen in my list above. Nobody listed Igbo. The only Igbo group that had several sub-groups was the Isuama and they knew themselves as Isu and not Igbo. Also Etche.

Look at the list of the tribes. Among these are several people considered today as Igbos(Only one tribe was labelled Igbo-"Igbo Nduri"wink and some in Rivers like Isu-Etche, Osusu Etche and Osusu Omuma.:

Abalo, Acocuá, Agro, Apapá, Bibí, Bogre, Bogre
Isuama, Abate Singlava, Brícamo, Ecunaso, Ibo Induri, Isicuato, Isiegue, Isuama, Isuama Aballa Ocuite, Isuama Ibi, Isuama Isiegue, Isueche, Oquella, Ososo, Ososo Eche, Ososo Omuma, Oxó, Ugri, Unigini, Aballa
Otopa, Isuama Umofina, Isuama
Osulerisna, Orú, Elugo, Orate, Bané, Yudusi.
@ Abagworo,
This confirms what I said about Igbo identifying more with clans. Funny enough some are still towing this path today e.g ChinenyeN.
Re: Caribbean Indigenes Speak Igbo & Yoruba Languages by Ikwerefistson: 9:57pm On Nov 11, 2012
duni04: Very suspicious and probably fraudulent article. I've never heard of Igbo spoken outside the shores of this country. Igbo of the 13th century? When did the slave trade start? When did Christopher Colombus even discover America? The OP bera provide a link to this article angry
ure a big fool u kan comit sucide if ure nt hapy wit d ibo language.mugu.4ur info olodo ibo is beng spoken in ivory coast nd gabon.amoeba even zambia hav ibo ancestry
Re: Caribbean Indigenes Speak Igbo & Yoruba Languages by biometrics: 10:57pm On Nov 11, 2012
What is the name given to Igbo and Yoruba language by the Caribbeans? I cant find any from this wikipedia link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_the_Caribbean
Re: Caribbean Indigenes Speak Igbo & Yoruba Languages by bokohalal(m): 12:04am On Nov 12, 2012
One_Naira:

I know there are some ibibio elements in Dominican Republic. I won't be surprised if there are some Bini elements in some Caribbean, Canadian and American nation as well seeing as they were equally in demand as slaves.

Do not go there. Edos/Binis were NEVER slaves!
Re: Caribbean Indigenes Speak Igbo & Yoruba Languages by newacca: 1:43am On Nov 12, 2012
akigbemaru: Eni sé bi Oyo larin oyo ose bi baba eni kan!
Yoruba literature and culture pave ways for Igbo literacy of today. What ever will have written about that always serves as precedent or food for thoughts for Igbo literacy.



This is plagiarized form of What Professor Toyin Falola has written about! And Igbo using pseudo name for Hausa writer to make it sounds credible.
I will post the original write-up by original writer Toyin Falola for the world to Igbo atrocity!


It is an established fact and beyond dispute that the vast majority of captives taken from Africa for enslavement in the Americas were of Igbo origins. In addition to the massive amount of Igbos documented and acknowledged to have been shipped directly out of the Igbo dominated areas of the Niger Delta millions of others were brought to the Americas from Igbo slave colonies which were established throughout the African Continent and thus arrived under a variety of tribal and national listings.

Those classified as Ashante were actually Igbos who were imported to Ghana by Portuguese slave traders to work the gold mines. Others listed as Angolan were also Igbos. Some Igbos were imported to Angola prior to their arrival in the Americas, while others were born and raised in the Igbo slave colony of Angola. Both Angola and Mozambique have coastal cities named IBO(EBO)conveniently located for exporting slaves.

The Gullah whose name derives from the word Angola are an African - American community that live on the sea islands off of the coast of Georgia and South Carolina. The Gullah are currently engaged in a strenuous battle to secure a memorial at a site called Igbo Landing. Igbo Landing was named in memory of the countless Igbos who drowned themselves to protest their enslavement. Historians who have taken a serious interest in the slave trade and tribal origins of African - Americans most certainly understand that there was a significant "Yoruba" element amongst the captives. The purpose of this writing is to further support research that proves that the majority of those enslaved and brought to the Americas were Igbo by acknowledging those classified as " YORUBA" as being Igbo as well.

The term " YORUBA " originally referred to the Oyo, a tribe who lived amongst the Hausas in what is presently Northern Nigeria.(3) Over the centuries they were gradually driven southward where they in turn became the conquerors of the indigenous people of " Southwest Nigeria" who like their Southeastern counterparts were referred to as the Igbos.(4) This Igbo society was traditionally protected by a secret society of masked warriors known as the Egbo or Egba.

The Southwestern Igbo lived in the forest surrounding Ife. It was there that they were first confronted by Oduduwa who along with his youngest son Oranyan are remembered as the founders of the Oyo(Yoruba)Kingdom at Ife.(5) In their initial encounters, the Oyo were unable to penetrate the frightening Egba(Igbos) as these intimidating forest dwellers mastered the art of instilling fear into their opponents. These Igbos went further in raiding and burning down the intruding Oyo(Yoruba) settlements in the town at Ife.

The Igbo(Egba) were first defeated through the scheming of a women named Moremi who allowed herself to be captured by the Igbo as she used her beauty to seduce the Igbo King into revealing the secrets of the Egba(Igbo).(6) She later returned to the Oyo providing her fellow countrymen with the necessary information needed to finally conquer the Igbo(Egba) " menace ". This defeat of the Igbo is celebrated every year at the annual Eid festival at Ife.




In 1835, the Egba(Igbo) declared themselves independent of the Yoruba(Oyo) and in response the Oyo along with the Ijebu drove them out of Ibadan, Ife and other towns north of their present day capital of Abeokuta.(7) As a result of close interaction with the Ijebu , the city Ijebu-Igbo was established. The founding of the Egba(Igbo)Kingdom at Abeokuta in 1837 is considered to be the last one recognized within the "Yoruba confederation " of tribes. By this time the term Yoruba had now expanded beyond its original usage in referring to the Oyo and generally applied to all of the inhabitants of Southwest Nigeria.

In addition to the Egba there remains a "Yoruba " tribe in the Kwarra State that continues to use the more original Igbo as part of their tribal name and they are referred to as Igbo-Mina. The tradition of the masked Egbo(Egba)warriors is likewise documented in Southeastern Nigeria the home of the present day Igbo people.

1. Egbo - A secret society at one time existing as a political bond between various towns especially in Eastern Nigeria. - World Book
Dictionary A - K 1974.

In 1876, the Scottish Presbyterian Missionary Mary Slessor came to Calabar. According to the accountings of Ms. Slessor, in the Igbo areas a secret society known as Egbo went around in masks and beat people. She claimed to have chased a group of Egbo and tore off a mask.(cool (Note THE EGBO WARRIORS SEEM TO HAVE A PROBLEM OR WEAKNESS FOR FOREIGN WOMEN. FIRST MOREMI IN THE WEST INFORMS HER PEOPLE TO BURN THE MASKS OF THE EGBO(EGBA) AND LATER IN THE EAST, MARY SLESSOR CLAIMS TO HAVE PERSONALLY TORN OFF AN EGBO MASK.)

The Egba of Abeokuta worship a deity called the Oro. Oro is a god who resides in a bush. In honor of Oro a sacred ceremony is performed at a secluded spot inside the bush. This ceremony is called Igbo Oro. (9) The concept of Igbo Oro closely resembles the story of the Lord of Israal(Israel) speaking to the Prophet Moses(Musa) from inside of the burning bush. Igbo Oro can be related to the early Israal origins of the Igbo(10).

Although the concept of Legba(Eshu) varies it began as an ancestral memorial designed to maintain the Igbo identity during times when the Igbo declared themselves to be in a state of secrecy called Egba/Egbo. Legba was also activated in the New World to counter modern slavery and its attempts to wipe out the Egba(Igbo) identity of the captives. The deity is described in " Yoruba " mythology as the " Divine Trickster " who wields great power because of his ability to outwit his fellow gods. Evidences of Legba have been documented throughout the Americas in such places as Brazil, Guyana, Trinidad, Haiti and New Orleans under various names such as Lebba,Legba, Elegbarra and Liba.(11)

The term Elegbarra or Lugbarra is of great significance because not only does the name appear in the Americas amongst the Egba slaves who are of Igbo origin, but it is also the name of a tribe that lives in Southern Sudan and Northern Uganda who are likewise related to the Igbos of Nigeria. When traveling in Uganda I personally met a Lugbarra Doctor of Medicine who previously studied alongside of Igbos from Nigeria. The Lugbarra man stated that he could understand much of the Igbo language which had much in common with his own Lugbarra tongue. He was definitely convinced that the Lugbarra and the Igbo were akin.(12)(13)

In 1967,Haiti became the only country outside of Africa to recognize the Igbo quest to establish the independent Republic of Biafra. This was due to the Haitian's memory of their own Igbo revolutionary past. The numerous and successful slave revolts in Haiti are all clearly documented as Igbo uprisings(14),but yet we find the strongest presence of the ancestral deity Legba amongst the Haitians. In Haiti Legba is described as the most powerful of all Loa.He is the guardian of the gate between the material and spiritual world. He has great wisdom and knowledge of the past and future. Every ritual begins with a sacrifice to Legba. He is the guardian of the sun and his color is black. The guardian of the sun is most likely a code for the land of the Rising Sun which is the ancient Igbo reference to the land of Biafra.(15)

 In Brazil, an organized Igbo revolt led to the establishment of the independent " Igbo" Republic of Palmares which lasted 45 years.(16) Being consistent with Igbo resistance, Palmares ended in a massive suicide of Igbo warriors who preferred death to captivity.(17) The city Ibotirama testifies to a strong Igbo presence in the region. (18) However as in the case of Haiti Afro-Brazilian culture and religious practices are more readily associated with that of the "Yoruba " including the worship of Legba.


Olukwumu is spoken in Brazil and interestingly enough in a few Igbo communities such as Anioma,Idumu-Ogu, Ubulubu,Ugboba,Ugbodu and Okwumzu. Although this dialect cannot be found in Yorubaland it remains in reference as a " lost dialect of the Yoruba language ". (19) This indicates that in addition to the Egba and Igbo -Mina, other Igbo communities likewise were classified as " Yoruba " and like the Olukwumu some made their way to the New World accompanying the majority Egba.

In Cuba the Olukwumu(Yoruban-Igbos)are referred to as the Lukumi or Olukumi. Like other Igbo captives the Lukumi of Cuba were noted for their massive suicidal resistance that often found them hanging from the branches of the Guasima trees.(20) This sounds very similar to the Igbos of Haiti, as the Haitian saying," IGBOS PEND COR A YO " - The Igbos hang themselves is still current.(21) NOTE: ( IN ADDITION TO THE IGBO OLUKUMI THERE ARE THOSE IGBOS WHO WERE TAKEN DIRECTLY FROM CALABAR TO CUBA AND THEY ARE KNOWN AS THE
ABAKUA.)

No one would argue that Paul Robeson and Booker T. Washington standout amongst the most accomplished "African-Americans " the latter being the founder of the prestigious Tuskegee Institute. It can be speculated that the success of these two individuals can at least partially be attributed to the fact that they both maintained links to their Igbo origins. Paul Robeson confirmed his Igbo identity through linguistics as he was able to verify the Igbo origins of a number of African words that had been passed down through his family(22),while Booker T. Washington obviously maintained an understanding of his Egba(Igbo) background which is reflected in his middle name Tanifeani, a name most common to the Egba people.(23). In summary the captives taken to the Americas of whom were classified as " Yorubas " were of Igbo origins, as the Igbos arriving under a variety of tribal names and classifications account for approximately 90% of all slaves.


 

BIBLIOGRAPHY: 23 NOTES
1. AFRICA THE HISTORY OF A CONTINENT - JOHN ILLIFE - CAMBRIDGE UNIVERSITY
PRESS - 1995 PAGES 129-130 - IGBOS SOLD TO GHANA

2. TIME ATLAS OF THE WORLD 10TH COMPREHENSIVE EDITION PAGE 87 F-9 - THE CITY
EBO IN ANGOLA 50 MILES FROM THE COAST. THERE ARE CURRENTLY TWO CITIES NAMED
IBO IN MOZAMBIQUE - PAGE 88 j-10 - IBO AND ILHA IBO.

3. THE KINGDOM OF THE YORUBA - ROBERT SMITH- 3RD EDITION - UNIVERSITY OF
WISCONSIN PRESS -PAGE 7. THE OYO AND THE HAUSA

4. THE KINGDOMS OF THE YORUBA - ROBERT SMITH- 3RD EDITION - UNIVERSITY OF
WISCONSIN PRESS - PAGE 14 - THE INDIGENOUS PEOPLE AT IFE CALLED IGBO.

5. THE KINGDOMS OF THE YORUBA - ROBERT SMITH - 3RD EDITION - UNIVERSITY OF
WISCONSIN PRESS - PAGE 15. ORANYAN THE SON OF ODUDUWA,THE FOUNDER OF OYO.

6. THE KINGDOMS OF THE YORUBA - ROBERT SMITH - 3RD EDITION - UNIVERSITY OF
WISCONSIN PRESS - PAGE 15. THE SCHEMING OF MOREMI

7. SANTERIA - PALO AND LUKUMI ORGANIZATION: WWW. PALO.ORG YORUBA
PEOPLES OF WEST AFRICA. HTML - EGBA VS. THE OYO AND THE IJEBU. EGBA DRIVEN
SOUTHWARD TO ABEOKUTA

8. GLIMPSES ISSUE #128 - PUB. CHRISTIAN HISTORY INSTITUTE - WORCESTER,PA. -
MARY SLESSOR AND THE EGBO

9. THE RELIGION OF THE YORUBA - J. OLUMIDE LUCAS - LAGOS C.M.S. WORKSHOP
1948 Pages 120-121 - THE PRACTICE OF ORO-IGBO AMONGST THE EGBA.

10.THE NIGER IBOS -BASDEN - THE SIMILARITIES BETWEEN THE IBOS AND ISRAELITES
-ISRAAL CUSTOMS OF THE IGBO

11. THE MYTH OF THE NEGRO PAST - MELVILLE J. HERSKOVITS -BEACON PRESS BOOKS
PAGE 253 - LEGBA FOUND THROUGHOUT THE NEW WORLD

12. The DOCUMENTATION OF ISHAQ AL-SULAIMANI/CHIEF NWANNE DI NAMBA NDI IGBO -
CULTURAL EDUCATION INSTITUTE - TEANECK NEW JERSEY - INTERVIEW WITH LUGBARRA
DOCTOR OF MEDICINE








13. THE LUGBARRA OF UGANDA - JOHN MIDDLETON, 1965 -HOLT,RINEHART AND WINSTON
- SIMILARITIES BETWEEN LUGBARRA AND IGBO WORDS - THE EZE(EZO) THE MOST
POWERFUL AMONGST THE LUGBARRA

14. HISTORY OF THE IGBO PEOPLE -ELIZABETH ISICHEI - MACMILLAN PRESS PUB.
PAGE 47 - IGBOS DIFFICULT TO MANAGE IN HAITI

15. VOODOO GODS AND GODESSES - WWW.GEOCITIES.COM/FULL MOON
MAGIC_DEITIES/VOODOO. HTML - THE DESCRIPTION OF LEGBA

16.HISTORY OF THE IGBO PEOPLE - ELIZABETH ISICHEI - MACMILLAN PRESS PUB.
PAGE 47 IGBOS IN THE ESTABLISHMENT OF PALMARES

17. THE MYTH OF THE NEGRO PAST - MELVILLE J. HERSKOVITS - BEACON PRESS BOOKS
PAGE 91 -PALMARES ENDS IN MASSIVE SUICIDE

18. TIME ATLAS OF THE WORLD 10TH COMPREHENSIVE EDITION - PAGE 115 k-11 - THE
CITY IBOTIRAMA IN BRAZIL

19. M.A. ONWUEJEOGWU, 1987 AHIAJOKU LECTURE(VIA) YORUBA, ONITSHA,ORISHA -
PHILIP EMEAGWALI - OLUKWUMU SPOKEN IN BRAZIL AND IN SOME IGBO COMMUNITIES
BUT NOT IN THE CORE OF YORUBALAND.

20. THE MYTH OF THE NEGRO PAST -MELVILLE J. HERSKOVITS - PAGE 95 - THE
SUICIDAL RESISTANCE OF THE LUKUMI(LUCCOMEES)

21. THE MYTH OF THE NEGRO PAST- MELVILLE J. HERSKOVITS - BEACON PRESS BOOKS
PAGE 36 -
THE SAYING; " THE IGBOS HANG THEMSELVES " IS STILL CURRENT IN HAITI- (IGBOS
PEND COR A YO)

22. SLAVE CULTURE - STERLING STUCKEY - OXFORD 1987 - PAGE 334 - PAUL
ROBESON'S BELIEF THAT HE WAS OF IGBO ORIGINS WAS REINFORCED.

23. THE RELIGIONS OF THE YORUBA - J. OLUMIDE LUCAS - LAGOS C.M.S. WORKSHOP
1948 - PAGE 8 - BOOKER T. WASHINGTON AN EGBA. T IS FOR TANIFEANI


Please e-mail: MR. ISHAQ AL-SULAIMANI
ishaqa777@hotmail.com
DIRECTOR OF RESEARCH @ CULTURAL EDUCATION INSTITUTE(TEANECK,NJ.) FOR MORE THOROUGH INFORMATION.

History will continue to glorify the hunters,until the Lions have their own Historian.
You are a liar!!! You are posting misguiding article online.
Olumo: Oluwa lo mo! (It was moulded by God) or ibiti Oluwa fi ogun ati wahala wa mo si! (This is where God put an end to our hardship and suffering)
Egba wa: Save us!
Abeokuta : Abe Okuta ( Under the rock)
Yes,Egba kingdom was under the Oyo empire but Egba people do not have any attachment with Igbo. Historically,Egbas are farmers and traders under one federation of 3 geopolitical division: (i) Ake (ii)Oke-ona (iii) Gbagura.
In their quest for liberty and democracy,the Egba people with the help of the great warrior Lisabi Agbongbo Akala revolted against the imperialism of the Oyo empire in the late 18th Century,after which Egba became independent. Shortly after the liberation,another tribal war broke up between Egba and Dahomey(now Republic of Benin) where the Egbas seek refuge under Olumo rock until they conquered the Dahomey warriors. Abeokuta(Under the rock) city was named from the Olumo rock.
Egba a ma gba ni: Egba will always save you.
Please do not misinform people with your crap.
Lori oke o'un petele Ibe l'agbe bi mi si o Ibe l'agbe to mi d'agba oo Ile ominira: On the height and on the ground,that is where I was born. That is where I was grown. The independent state!

#roger that#
Re: Caribbean Indigenes Speak Igbo & Yoruba Languages by ebere1712: 3:13am On Nov 12, 2012
Esin waju: Yoroslaves? I have read all manners of condescending stuff about my tribe here on nairaland. I laugh at some of those posts because of the witty nature and crafty play with words while some do get under my skin for real but this one? I can't laugh because it ain't even funny and even you know it's pretty lame, that's why you had to laugh to your own post just to make yourself feel good about your mental inadequacy and it's just too asinine to have me riled up. And you called them useless because they are of Yoruba ancenstry but if they had been of Igbo descent you would by now be shooting off that misfiring gun you call a mouth about how you guys are everywhere like the jews and what have you? Deal with the hurt in your butt. It will heal.
If you are not a slave, why do you bow to an emir in illorin. Yoroslaves in this thread were the first to misfire. Its time to wake up from your slumber; to reality. Feel the pain, liberate the children of metu in yoroslave land.
Re: Caribbean Indigenes Speak Igbo & Yoruba Languages by tpia1: 3:38am On Nov 12, 2012
One_Naira:

I know there are some ibibio elements in Dominican Republic. I won't be surprised if there are some Bini elements in some Caribbean, Canadian and American nation as well seeing as they were equally in demand as slaves.


lets allow other african countries besides nigeria to claim these people nah?

what's your fear?
Re: Caribbean Indigenes Speak Igbo & Yoruba Languages by amor4ce(m): 4:03am On Nov 12, 2012
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Re: Caribbean Indigenes Speak Igbo & Yoruba Languages by Konquest: 10:16am On Nov 12, 2012
FSU: INCREDIBLE! In the Caribbean Islands, indigenes speak Igbo, Yoruba

Friday, November 9, 2012

'Nigerian masquerades, a common sight in Cuba'

By COSMAS OMEGOH

You may find this incredible, but Igbo and Yoruba languages are widely spoken in the Caribbean Islands. And the speakers are not Nigerians living in those countries. Indigenes of the Caribbean Islands speak Igbo and Yoruba.

It might be different from the Yoruba or Igbo that many Nigerians speak today, but a foremost entertainer and music maestro, Tar Ukoh, says many people in the area speak Igbo and Yoruba of the 13th century. Till now he says, the Yorubas still play and enjoy their traditional Yoruba songs, while the Igbos feature their nmanwu, agaba and ekpe masquerades. Ukoh, known in the entertainment world as Mambisa, made this revelation while on a guided tour with a group of Cuban ladies mostly of Yoruba ancestry now in the country.

They are part of the Cuban troupe searching for the place their ancestors once lived and called their own before they were brutally uprooted by slave raiders and merchants and whisked to sugar plantations in the Caribbean Islands. "This group you are seeing here consists of Yoruba ladies from Cuba.

They are here searching for their ancestral home. They are asking, Ile mi da (where is my home)? And don't forget that out there in the Caribbean, there are countless Igbos too who still speak their language, feature in agaba, ekpe and nmanwu masquerades. From those masquerades, they fashioned out a brand of music they call Wawanco. Their ancestors too were the exponents of the popular Calypso music which is an adulteration of Ka anyi soo nmanwu (let's join the masquerade troupe).

They also play another brand of music called Abakwua to remember Abata, a point in Ogoja axis in Cross River through which slaves were taken. Slaves who went through that route were then given numbers such as Abata 1, 2... to identify them." Now, Ukoh is demanding that those routes and other historical sites like the Long Juju of Arochukwu be revitalised.

He says if that is done, it will boost historical tourism which can become an alternative source of revenue to oil. He is therefore advising that Nigeria should take a cue from countries like Ghana and Senegal that are bountifully reaping from the industry, adding that annually, thousands of tourists stream into both countries to see the Elmina Caste and the House of Slaves on Goree Island respectively where slaves in the 18th century were hounded before their final shipment abroad.

Ukoh who holds citizenships of Cuba and Ethiopia says he is still regretting the alleged Nigeria's rejection of United Nations Education and Scientific and Cultural Organisation (UNESCO)'s request that slave routes from Isikwuato, Abriba, Arochukwu to Opobo be revitalised to serve as a world heritage site.

"Some time ago, UNESCO approached Nigeria, wanting those routes along which slaves were taken to Opobo be revitalised as a UNESCO project, but Nigeria turned down the request. Countries like Ghana and Senegal then picked the initiative, and now they are making fortune from the project. That is what I'm appealing to Governor Theodore Orji of Abia State to act on. If he could re-establish the Long juju of Arochukwu, the Isikwuato - Abriba slave trade routes, then he can collaborate with Akwa Ibom State to develop the Jaja of Opobo enclave," he said. Ukoh, who facilitated the coming of the Cuban delegation, told Daily Sun that he was very excited at the collaboration. Describing himself as a Nigerian cultural ambassador, he said he takes much pleasure in marketing Nigeria and Africa to the entire world. "I'm the facilitator and co-ordinator of the project. I brought this cultural troupe to Nigeria.

I'm a citizen of Cuba, by the way. I have been working with Cuba for the past 30 years. What you are seeing today is just an extension of the programme I have been doing in that country. "The Cubans arrived here in August and featured in the Osun Osogbo Festival. And since then, they have been touring the country. They will round off their tour after visiting 16 states." The essence of the tour, he says "is to develop Nigerian-Cuba tie.

Their aim is to promote their Yoruba heritage in Cuba here in Nigeria."He expressed happiness that "the response we are getting is fantastic. We go to the villages for them to see things for themselves. What we are doing at the moment is part of the initiative to promote Nigerian - Cuban diplomatic relations." Ukoh, a multi-linguist from Benue State, says he prides himself as Nigerian, Ethiopian and African cultural ambassador. "I represent Ethiopia in Nigeria.

I'm a pan Africanist because I promote Ethiopian culture in Africa and they see me as their son and that is important to me. In the same way, I'm Nigeria's cultural ambassador and I see myself as so. That is what I do all over the world. Nigeria gives me that job, that recognition and that is why I'm bringing the Cubans to tour the country. I do that without much help. I don't need any payment to do that; I see that as my duty."

He said he works with the Federal Ministry of Culture and Tourism because "they recognise my job all over the world, especially in Africa. So when I bring in programmes, they accept them and often we collaborate. When they have programmes and want to reach out to those countries where they feel I have influence, they always encourage me to have collaboration with them." He noted that it had become necessary for him to market culture because "culture is everything to me. Without culture, everything is lost. Technology is culture; the food we eat is culture, even understanding how to look after our environment is culture.

Therefore culture is important to our existence. It is not all about singing and dancing; it is the totality of our existence." The Cuban troupe to Nigeria consists of a team leader, Comrade Karina Palaciuos, a manager and a television journalist said to be the best in Cuba, (both of them males) and then seven women whose ages averaged 25 years. The group has been around since August, 24 2012, when this year's edition of Osun Osogbo was held. Guided by Ukoh, the group has since been touring some states in the country, interacting with the people and getting used to the Nigerian way of life. The group called Obirin Bata (Women playing the Bata drum, in Yoruba) was at the last Osun Osogbo Festival, drumming and dancing, wining and dining.

Looking at the women, nothing suggests that they are Nigerians, let alone Yoruba. Most of them look alike, except the troupe leader, Comrade Palacious. However, in their midst is a Fulani lady whose look is totally Fulani. All but Comrade Palacious speak Spanish; but they claim to speak Yoruba of the 13th century which might be lost to today's speakers of the language. "We are here in Nigeria at the instance of the Ministry of Culture of Cuba and Ministry of Culture, Orientation and Tourism of Nigeria," says Comrade Palacious. "We signed an agreement to develop cultural interaction. We are bringing our culture back to our motherland Africa. So we are back to our roots. Our mission here is to visit different states and see as many places as possible.

"We are excited to be back to our roots. We have been to Osun Osogbo Festival and participated in the international event. We were at the Osun River; we shared with the people in all that they did. In Cuba, we observe the same tradition like the Osun Osogbo. Our cultural troupe is called Obirin Bata which I'm told translates to women playing the drum. "We are very excited to be here. Let me tell you, our country was once a colony of Spain. When the Spanish arrived Cuba, majority of the local Cubans had died and disappeared. Then slaves from Africa started arriving, most of them coming from the Yoruba speaking people of Nigeria.

That is why when you get to streets in Cuba, you see Yoruba speaking people. Now 500 years after, we are back here. "Indeed, I like this cultural visit. With the help of the Ministry of Culture of both countries, I look forward to seeing that a cultural exchange programme between Cuba and Nigeria is implemented. We would like to see Nigerians go to Cuba and have a rewarding experience just as we are having here," she added.
http://sunnewsonline.com/new/trending/incredible-in-the-caribbean-islands-indigenes-speak-igbo-yoruba/


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Ekpe Society is of Ibibio origin not Igbo as stated in the article above [i][/i]smiley
Re: Caribbean Indigenes Speak Igbo & Yoruba Languages by Nobody: 10:30am On Nov 12, 2012
I am not suprised to hear Igbo in the outlet of this Country,cos i know USA have enough count of Igbo tribe in their system,Famous musicians are Igbo ,Imagine ,zeal,neyo(chimere),chuks,iyke,these were the igbos that were sold for slavery in the 19th century or those that went for green pastures,but as You know Igbos always relax everywhere they find themselves ,so am not doubting this post,let Yorubas speak for themselves...
Re: Caribbean Indigenes Speak Igbo & Yoruba Languages by phreakabit(m): 10:51am On Nov 12, 2012
geosegun:

LIAR, LIAR, LIAR. shocked shocked

I totally disagree.

IGBO - in Yoruba, means, THICK FOREST. cool cool cool.

The Igbominas and Egbas have no link with my lovely and industriuos people of the South east- The Ibos.

The book you qouted above needs a serious review.

Funny how you absolutely made sense with less than five lines typed. . . .Something he couldn't do with 60 minutes of aimless typing. #Mind boggling!
Re: Caribbean Indigenes Speak Igbo & Yoruba Languages by phreakabit(m): 11:00am On Nov 12, 2012
akigbemaru: Eni sé bi Oyo larin oyo ose bi baba eni kan!
Yoruba literature and culture pave ways for Igbo literacy of today. What ever will have written about that always serves as precedent or food for thoughts for Igbo literacy.



This is plagiarized form of What Professor Toyin Falola has written about! And Igbo using pseudo name for Hausa writer to make it sounds credible.
I will post the original write-up by original writer Toyin Falola for the world to Igbo atrocity!


It is an established fact and beyond dispute that the vast majority of captives taken from Africa for enslavement in the Americas were of Igbo origins. In addition to the massive amount of Igbos documented and acknowledged to have been shipped directly out of the Igbo dominated areas of the Niger Delta millions of others were brought to the Americas from Igbo slave colonies which were established throughout the African Continent and thus arrived under a variety of tribal and national listings.

Those classified as Ashante were actually Igbos who were imported to Ghana by Portuguese slave traders to work the gold mines. Others listed as Angolan were also Igbos. Some Igbos were imported to Angola prior to their arrival in the Americas, while others were born and raised in the Igbo slave colony of Angola. Both Angola and Mozambique have coastal cities named IBO(EBO)conveniently located for exporting slaves.

The Gullah whose name derives from the word Angola are an African - American community that live on the sea islands off of the coast of Georgia and South Carolina. The Gullah are currently engaged in a strenuous battle to secure a memorial at a site called Igbo Landing. Igbo Landing was named in memory of the countless Igbos who drowned themselves to protest their enslavement. Historians who have taken a serious interest in the slave trade and tribal origins of African - Americans most certainly understand that there was a significant "Yoruba" element amongst the captives. The purpose of this writing is to further support research that proves that the majority of those enslaved and brought to the Americas were Igbo by acknowledging those classified as " YORUBA" as being Igbo as well.

The term " YORUBA " originally referred to the Oyo, a tribe who lived amongst the Hausas in what is presently Northern Nigeria.(3) Over the centuries they were gradually driven southward where they in turn became the conquerors of the indigenous people of " Southwest Nigeria" who like their Southeastern counterparts were referred to as the Igbos.(4) This Igbo society was traditionally protected by a secret society of masked warriors known as the Egbo or Egba.

The Southwestern Igbo lived in the forest surrounding Ife. It was there that they were first confronted by Oduduwa who along with his youngest son Oranyan are remembered as the founders of the Oyo(Yoruba)Kingdom at Ife.(5) In their initial encounters, the Oyo were unable to penetrate the frightening Egba(Igbos) as these intimidating forest dwellers mastered the art of instilling fear into their opponents. These Igbos went further in raiding and burning down the intruding Oyo(Yoruba) settlements in the town at Ife.

The Igbo(Egba) were first defeated through the scheming of a women named Moremi who allowed herself to be captured by the Igbo as she used her beauty to seduce the Igbo King into revealing the secrets of the Egba(Igbo).(6) She later returned to the Oyo providing her fellow countrymen with the necessary information needed to finally conquer the Igbo(Egba) " menace ". This defeat of the Igbo is celebrated every year at the annual Eid festival at Ife.




In 1835, the Egba(Igbo) declared themselves independent of the Yoruba(Oyo) and in response the Oyo along with the Ijebu drove them out of Ibadan, Ife and other towns north of their present day capital of Abeokuta.(7) As a result of close interaction with the Ijebu , the city Ijebu-Igbo was established. The founding of the Egba(Igbo)Kingdom at Abeokuta in 1837 is considered to be the last one recognized within the "Yoruba confederation " of tribes. By this time the term Yoruba had now expanded beyond its original usage in referring to the Oyo and generally applied to all of the inhabitants of Southwest Nigeria.

In addition to the Egba there remains a "Yoruba " tribe in the Kwarra State that continues to use the more original Igbo as part of their tribal name and they are referred to as Igbo-Mina. The tradition of the masked Egbo(Egba)warriors is likewise documented in Southeastern Nigeria the home of the present day Igbo people.

1. Egbo - A secret society at one time existing as a political bond between various towns especially in Eastern Nigeria. - World Book
Dictionary A - K 1974.

In 1876, the Scottish Presbyterian Missionary Mary Slessor came to Calabar. According to the accountings of Ms. Slessor, in the Igbo areas a secret society known as Egbo went around in masks and beat people. She claimed to have chased a group of Egbo and tore off a mask.(cool (Note THE EGBO WARRIORS SEEM TO HAVE A PROBLEM OR WEAKNESS FOR FOREIGN WOMEN. FIRST MOREMI IN THE WEST INFORMS HER PEOPLE TO BURN THE MASKS OF THE EGBO(EGBA) AND LATER IN THE EAST, MARY SLESSOR CLAIMS TO HAVE PERSONALLY TORN OFF AN EGBO MASK.)

The Egba of Abeokuta worship a deity called the Oro. Oro is a god who resides in a bush. In honor of Oro a sacred ceremony is performed at a secluded spot inside the bush. This ceremony is called Igbo Oro. (9) The concept of Igbo Oro closely resembles the story of the Lord of Israal(Israel) speaking to the Prophet Moses(Musa) from inside of the burning bush. Igbo Oro can be related to the early Israal origins of the Igbo(10).

Although the concept of Legba(Eshu) varies it began as an ancestral memorial designed to maintain the Igbo identity during times when the Igbo declared themselves to be in a state of secrecy called Egba/Egbo. Legba was also activated in the New World to counter modern slavery and its attempts to wipe out the Egba(Igbo) identity of the captives. The deity is described in " Yoruba " mythology as the " Divine Trickster " who wields great power because of his ability to outwit his fellow gods. Evidences of Legba have been documented throughout the Americas in such places as Brazil, Guyana, Trinidad, Haiti and New Orleans under various names such as Lebba,Legba, Elegbarra and Liba.(11)

The term Elegbarra or Lugbarra is of great significance because not only does the name appear in the Americas amongst the Egba slaves who are of Igbo origin, but it is also the name of a tribe that lives in Southern Sudan and Northern Uganda who are likewise related to the Igbos of Nigeria. When traveling in Uganda I personally met a Lugbarra Doctor of Medicine who previously studied alongside of Igbos from Nigeria. The Lugbarra man stated that he could understand much of the Igbo language which had much in common with his own Lugbarra tongue. He was definitely convinced that the Lugbarra and the Igbo were akin.(12)(13)

In 1967,Haiti became the only country outside of Africa to recognize the Igbo quest to establish the independent Republic of Biafra. This was due to the Haitian's memory of their own Igbo revolutionary past. The numerous and successful slave revolts in Haiti are all clearly documented as Igbo uprisings(14),but yet we find the strongest presence of the ancestral deity Legba amongst the Haitians. In Haiti Legba is described as the most powerful of all Loa.He is the guardian of the gate between the material and spiritual world. He has great wisdom and knowledge of the past and future. Every ritual begins with a sacrifice to Legba. He is the guardian of the sun and his color is black. The guardian of the sun is most likely a code for the land of the Rising Sun which is the ancient Igbo reference to the land of Biafra.(15)

 In Brazil, an organized Igbo revolt led to the establishment of the independent " Igbo" Republic of Palmares which lasted 45 years.(16) Being consistent with Igbo resistance, Palmares ended in a massive suicide of Igbo warriors who preferred death to captivity.(17) The city Ibotirama testifies to a strong Igbo presence in the region. (18) However as in the case of Haiti Afro-Brazilian culture and religious practices are more readily associated with that of the "Yoruba " including the worship of Legba.


Olukwumu is spoken in Brazil and interestingly enough in a few Igbo communities such as Anioma,Idumu-Ogu, Ubulubu,Ugboba,Ugbodu and Okwumzu. Although this dialect cannot be found in Yorubaland it remains in reference as a " lost dialect of the Yoruba language ". (19) This indicates that in addition to the Egba and Igbo -Mina, other Igbo communities likewise were classified as " Yoruba " and like the Olukwumu some made their way to the New World accompanying the majority Egba.

In Cuba the Olukwumu(Yoruban-Igbos)are referred to as the Lukumi or Olukumi. Like other Igbo captives the Lukumi of Cuba were noted for their massive suicidal resistance that often found them hanging from the branches of the Guasima trees.(20) This sounds very similar to the Igbos of Haiti, as the Haitian saying," IGBOS PEND COR A YO " - The Igbos hang themselves is still current.(21) NOTE: ( IN ADDITION TO THE IGBO OLUKUMI THERE ARE THOSE IGBOS WHO WERE TAKEN DIRECTLY FROM CALABAR TO CUBA AND THEY ARE KNOWN AS THE
ABAKUA.)

No one would argue that Paul Robeson and Booker T. Washington standout amongst the most accomplished "African-Americans " the latter being the founder of the prestigious Tuskegee Institute. It can be speculated that the success of these two individuals can at least partially be attributed to the fact that they both maintained links to their Igbo origins. Paul Robeson confirmed his Igbo identity through linguistics as he was able to verify the Igbo origins of a number of African words that had been passed down through his family(22),while Booker T. Washington obviously maintained an understanding of his Egba(Igbo) background which is reflected in his middle name Tanifeani, a name most common to the Egba people.(23). In summary the captives taken to the Americas of whom were classified as " Yorubas " were of Igbo origins, as the Igbos arriving under a variety of tribal names and classifications account for approximately 90% of all slaves.


 

BIBLIOGRAPHY: 23 NOTES
1. AFRICA THE HISTORY OF A CONTINENT - JOHN ILLIFE - CAMBRIDGE UNIVERSITY
PRESS - 1995 PAGES 129-130 - IGBOS SOLD TO GHANA

2. TIME ATLAS OF THE WORLD 10TH COMPREHENSIVE EDITION PAGE 87 F-9 - THE CITY
EBO IN ANGOLA 50 MILES FROM THE COAST. THERE ARE CURRENTLY TWO CITIES NAMED
IBO IN MOZAMBIQUE - PAGE 88 j-10 - IBO AND ILHA IBO.

3. THE KINGDOM OF THE YORUBA - ROBERT SMITH- 3RD EDITION - UNIVERSITY OF
WISCONSIN PRESS -PAGE 7. THE OYO AND THE HAUSA

4. THE KINGDOMS OF THE YORUBA - ROBERT SMITH- 3RD EDITION - UNIVERSITY OF
WISCONSIN PRESS - PAGE 14 - THE INDIGENOUS PEOPLE AT IFE CALLED IGBO.

5. THE KINGDOMS OF THE YORUBA - ROBERT SMITH - 3RD EDITION - UNIVERSITY OF
WISCONSIN PRESS - PAGE 15. ORANYAN THE SON OF ODUDUWA,THE FOUNDER OF OYO.

6. THE KINGDOMS OF THE YORUBA - ROBERT SMITH - 3RD EDITION - UNIVERSITY OF
WISCONSIN PRESS - PAGE 15. THE SCHEMING OF MOREMI

7. SANTERIA - PALO AND LUKUMI ORGANIZATION: WWW. PALO.ORG YORUBA
PEOPLES OF WEST AFRICA. HTML - EGBA VS. THE OYO AND THE IJEBU. EGBA DRIVEN
SOUTHWARD TO ABEOKUTA

8. GLIMPSES ISSUE #128 - PUB. CHRISTIAN HISTORY INSTITUTE - WORCESTER,PA. -
MARY SLESSOR AND THE EGBO

9. THE RELIGION OF THE YORUBA - J. OLUMIDE LUCAS - LAGOS C.M.S. WORKSHOP
1948 Pages 120-121 - THE PRACTICE OF ORO-IGBO AMONGST THE EGBA.

10.THE NIGER IBOS -BASDEN - THE SIMILARITIES BETWEEN THE IBOS AND ISRAELITES
-ISRAAL CUSTOMS OF THE IGBO

11. THE MYTH OF THE NEGRO PAST - MELVILLE J. HERSKOVITS -BEACON PRESS BOOKS
PAGE 253 - LEGBA FOUND THROUGHOUT THE NEW WORLD

12. The DOCUMENTATION OF ISHAQ AL-SULAIMANI/CHIEF NWANNE DI NAMBA NDI IGBO -
CULTURAL EDUCATION INSTITUTE - TEANECK NEW JERSEY - INTERVIEW WITH LUGBARRA
DOCTOR OF MEDICINE








13. THE LUGBARRA OF UGANDA - JOHN MIDDLETON, 1965 -HOLT,RINEHART AND WINSTON
- SIMILARITIES BETWEEN LUGBARRA AND IGBO WORDS - THE EZE(EZO) THE MOST
POWERFUL AMONGST THE LUGBARRA

14. HISTORY OF THE IGBO PEOPLE -ELIZABETH ISICHEI - MACMILLAN PRESS PUB.
PAGE 47 - IGBOS DIFFICULT TO MANAGE IN HAITI

15. VOODOO GODS AND GODESSES - WWW.GEOCITIES.COM/FULL MOON
MAGIC_DEITIES/VOODOO. HTML - THE DESCRIPTION OF LEGBA

16.HISTORY OF THE IGBO PEOPLE - ELIZABETH ISICHEI - MACMILLAN PRESS PUB.
PAGE 47 IGBOS IN THE ESTABLISHMENT OF PALMARES

17. THE MYTH OF THE NEGRO PAST - MELVILLE J. HERSKOVITS - BEACON PRESS BOOKS
PAGE 91 -PALMARES ENDS IN MASSIVE SUICIDE

18. TIME ATLAS OF THE WORLD 10TH COMPREHENSIVE EDITION - PAGE 115 k-11 - THE
CITY IBOTIRAMA IN BRAZIL

19. M.A. ONWUEJEOGWU, 1987 AHIAJOKU LECTURE(VIA) YORUBA, ONITSHA,ORISHA -
PHILIP EMEAGWALI - OLUKWUMU SPOKEN IN BRAZIL AND IN SOME IGBO COMMUNITIES
BUT NOT IN THE CORE OF YORUBALAND.

20. THE MYTH OF THE NEGRO PAST -MELVILLE J. HERSKOVITS - PAGE 95 - THE
SUICIDAL RESISTANCE OF THE LUKUMI(LUCCOMEES)

21. THE MYTH OF THE NEGRO PAST- MELVILLE J. HERSKOVITS - BEACON PRESS BOOKS
PAGE 36 -
THE SAYING; " THE IGBOS HANG THEMSELVES " IS STILL CURRENT IN HAITI- (IGBOS
PEND COR A YO)

22. SLAVE CULTURE - STERLING STUCKEY - OXFORD 1987 - PAGE 334 - PAUL
ROBESON'S BELIEF THAT HE WAS OF IGBO ORIGINS WAS REINFORCED.

23. THE RELIGIONS OF THE YORUBA - J. OLUMIDE LUCAS - LAGOS C.M.S. WORKSHOP
1948 - PAGE 8 - BOOKER T. WASHINGTON AN EGBA. T IS FOR TANIFEANI


Please e-mail: MR. ISHAQ AL-SULAIMANI
ishaqa777@hotmail.com
DIRECTOR OF RESEARCH @ CULTURAL EDUCATION INSTITUTE(TEANECK,NJ.) FOR MORE THOROUGH INFORMATION.

[size=18pt]WOW! How did you do that? . . 1 hour of well thought up nonsense! You my good friend deserve a medal. You have mastered the art of trolling![/size]

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Re: Caribbean Indigenes Speak Igbo & Yoruba Languages by phreakabit(m): 11:02am On Nov 12, 2012
Abagworo:


As a matter of fact Igbos in the Southeast never used that Igbo world to address themselves as can be seen in my list above. Nobody listed Igbo. The only Igbo group that had several sub-groups was the Isuama and they knew themselves as Isu and not Igbo. Also Etche.

Look at the list of the tribes. Among these are several people considered today as Igbos(Only one tribe was labelled Igbo-"Igbo Nduri"wink and some in Rivers like Isu-Etche, Osusu Etche and Osusu Omuma.:

Abalo, Acocuá, Agro, Apapá, Bibí, Bogre, Bogre
Isuama, Abate Singlava, Brícamo, Ecunaso, Ibo Induri, Isicuato, Isiegue, Isuama, Isuama Aballa Ocuite, Isuama Ibi, Isuama Isiegue, Isueche, Oquella, Ososo, Ososo Eche, Ososo Omuma, Oxó, Ugri, Unigini, Aballa
Otopa, Isuama Umofina, Isuama
Osulerisna, Orú, Elugo, Orate, Bané, Yudusi.

Infinite knowledge on display.
Re: Caribbean Indigenes Speak Igbo & Yoruba Languages by Tirham1: 1:42pm On Nov 12, 2012
Not suprising after all d bulk of the slaves carried from nigeria were taken that way, and dey carried dia culture wif dem.
Re: Caribbean Indigenes Speak Igbo & Yoruba Languages by bigfrancis21: 2:01pm On Nov 12, 2012
Records show clearly that more Igbo slaves were shipped away than yoruba slaves. However, more yoruba elements survived than did Igbo elements. Many of the carribean people claiming yoruba because of the yoruba popularity are more likely to be Igbo. Very few yorubas, if not at all, were shipped to the US. During the slave trade, the slave traders were well informed about the different tribes of africa and had preferences - the igbo were favoured by the English while the Yoruba were more favoured by the Spanish. The Igbo were dispersed generally to every place the Yoruba were and also to places the Yourba were not present. The places the Igbo were shipped to were mostly, US of A, Jamaica, Haiti, Barbados, Hispaniola, Saint Lucia, Saint Kitts, Trinidad and Tobago, Brazil, Cuba, Guyana, Belize and what have you. It is in the same brazil, which the Yoruba celebrate today, that the Igbo slaves successfully hatched and carried out a revolution in 1745 toppling the English planters, and forming their own union, The Ibo Republic of Palmeres, which dictated the rules of the plantation trade which their white masters obediently abided to. This bliss lasted for 45 long years while their yoruba counterparts were being docile and melancholic (as documented by several slave traders). In the same brazil, the congo were the most prevalent, followed by the yoruba and the Igbo group third. Funny enough you dont commonly hear elements of the congo and Igbo there. These two groups were more adaptive and open to change than the yoruba. The yoruba kept their tradition which is still characteristic of them. You only hear of yoruba influences in the following four countries - brazil, haiti, cuba and dominincan republic. Since it is evident that the yoruba carried their religion along with them to wherever they went, it then follows that the only countries where their religion are still present were the only countries the yoruba were dispersed to. Period. In the US, the Igbo slaves were preferred in the south, especially the women, due to their superb domestic (home)training, honesty and nice knowledge of agriculture. The women were also preferred due to their fairness, hence the term, red ibo, which is still popular in the US and the carribean. This fairness earned the Igbo the hatred of other african tribes, apparently, this Igbo hatred didnt start today. The Igbo people are very quick to change in the face of change and this is still the case till today. For some time, Virginia, US was nicknamed 'New Eboland' due to the numerous numbers of Igbo slaves. They were not preferred (that doesnt mean they were not found as domestic slaves) in south carolina because SC was a rice plantation and the Igbo were not versed in rice growing as rice cultivation involved swamps and back home the Igbo area wasnt swampy and hence never cultivated rice. The kongo were mostly preferred in south carolina.

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Re: Caribbean Indigenes Speak Igbo & Yoruba Languages by bigfrancis21: 2:21pm On Nov 12, 2012
The Ibo word for you (plural), 'unu' is popularly used all over the carribean patois (pidgin) in Jamaica, belize, haiti, barbados etc. This same unu was sometimes corrupted to una in their pidgin, the same pidgin that was introduced to Nigeria and ghana by the portuguese missionaries along the Niger delta. This is the same 'una' we still use in our pidgin today. In jamaica they still use the igbo words, sooso (igbo for only), unu (you), and say leave me alone as 'hop afa mi' which closely resembles the Igbo, 'hapu m aka'. Some Igbo dialects say 'hafu m aka'. They practice the Obeah (Igbo Obia or Dibia religion) and still celebrate the Igbo Njoku Ji (Jokonnu) festival.
In the US, many African Americans have remarked how they resemble the Igbo more than any other tribe. I watch lots of black movies and I see a lot of our culture among them - in attitudes, mannerisms and diction. The popular black slang, 'ama come see you' has origins in the Igbo 'ama bia hu gi' which the Igbo, esp abia and imo, still say till today. Popular igbo AAs are T. D. Jakes, Wesley snipes (who acted Blade), Neyo, Forest Whitaker etc.
Re: Caribbean Indigenes Speak Igbo & Yoruba Languages by Abagworo(m): 5:54pm On Nov 12, 2012
bigfrancis21: The Ibo word for you (plural), 'unu' is popularly used all over the carribean patois (pidgin) in Jamaica, belize, haiti, barbados etc. This same unu was sometimes corrupted to una in their pidgin, the same pidgin that was introduced to Nigeria and ghana by the portuguese missionaries along the Niger delta. This is the same 'una' we still use in our pidgin today. In jamaica they still use the igbo words, sooso (igbo for only), unu (you), and say leave me alone as 'hop afa mi' which closely resembles the Igbo, 'hapu m aka'. Some Igbo dialects say 'hafu m aka'. They practice the Obeah (Igbo Obia or Dibia religion) and still celebrate the Igbo Njoku Ji (Jokonnu) festival.
In the US, many African Americans have remarked how they resemble the Igbo more than any other tribe. I watch lots of black movies and I see a lot of our culture among them - in attitudes, mannerisms and diction. The popular black slang, 'ama come see you' has origins in the Igbo 'ama bia hu gi' which the Igbo, esp abia and imo, still say till today. Popular igbo AAs are T. D. Jakes, Wesley snipes (who acted Blade), Neyo, Forest Whitaker etc.

The major impact Igbos had and continue to have among blacks in America is the honour for hustle and success. No honor for inherited belongings. No Kings and the general if you don't feed me, I don't give a f.... about you attitude. Anyone who has seen Eddie Murphy's "Coming to America" will notice the similarities.
Re: Caribbean Indigenes Speak Igbo & Yoruba Languages by AlhajiPastor: 5:56pm On Nov 12, 2012
I AM NOT A YORUBA MAN, BUT I HAVE READ QUITE ALOT OF HISTORY THAT RELATE MOST OF THE CARRIBEANS TO YORUBA. I AM JUST READING ABOUT THE IBO ASPECT NOW ONLY ON NAIRALAND. MY QUESTION IS; WHY ARE IBO PEOPLE ALWAYS FIND A WAY AROUND THINGS, COINING ANOTHER STORY OUT OF THE WIDELY BELIEVE ONES WOULD ALWAYS MAKE PEOPLE LOOK DOWN ON YOU PEOPLE. I DON'T SEE ANY BIG DEAL IN CARRIBEANS TRACING THEIR ANCESTRAL ORIGIN TO YORUBALAND.
Re: Caribbean Indigenes Speak Igbo & Yoruba Languages by Abagworo(m): 6:45pm On Nov 12, 2012
Alhaji Pastor :
I AM NOT A YORUBA MAN, BUT I HAVE READ QUITE ALOT OF HISTORY THAT RELATE MOST OF THE CARRIBEANS TO YORUBA. I AM JUST READING ABOUT THE IBO ASPECT NOW ONLY ON NAIRALAND. MY QUESTION IS; WHY ARE IBO PEOPLE ALWAYS FIND A WAY AROUND THINGS, COINING ANOTHER STORY OUT OF THE WIDELY BELIEVE ONES WOULD ALWAYS MAKE PEOPLE LOOK DOWN ON YOU PEOPLE. I DON'T SEE ANY BIG DEAL IN CARRIBEANS TRACING THEIR ANCESTRAL ORIGIN TO YORUBALAND.

Its because you've not read well or maybe because you are being biased. Why is it a problem that a non-Igbo(Tar Ukoh aka Mambisa) made an accurate observation about remnants of Igbo in Cuba? It is not a thing of pride to sell your own people into sl*very and hence we should all be ashamed of what our fathers did.

I had opened a thread on it back in 2010 when I was reading a history of Cuba and noticed that most of the listed ethnic composition of the sl*ves were and are still Igbo clans.

https://www.nairaland.com/550757/some-unknown-facts-igbos-america

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Re: Caribbean Indigenes Speak Igbo & Yoruba Languages by OneNaira6: 7:24pm On Nov 12, 2012
bokohalal:

Do not go there. Edos/Binis were NEVER slaves!

You must be kidding right? If you honestly believe that then i urge you to go read history of bight of benin which strenches from modern day Benin to sw. After doing so, go read Benin slavery trading.
Re: Caribbean Indigenes Speak Igbo & Yoruba Languages by OneNaira6: 7:25pm On Nov 12, 2012
tpia1:


lets allow other african countries besides nigeria to claim these people nah?

what's your fear?


Am i claiming them? wtf?
Re: Caribbean Indigenes Speak Igbo & Yoruba Languages by bokohalal(m): 11:10pm On Nov 12, 2012
One_Naira:

You must be kidding right? If you honestly believe that then i urge you to go read history of bight of benin which strenches from modern day Benin to sw. After doing so, go read Benin slavery trading.

Benin Empire slave trading is different from Binis traded as slaves!
Re: Caribbean Indigenes Speak Igbo & Yoruba Languages by tpia1: 1:16am On Nov 13, 2012
One_Naira:

Am i claiming them? wtf?

Just wondering when you became a berlin conferencer, thats all!

Moot question, i know.
Re: Caribbean Indigenes Speak Igbo & Yoruba Languages by PhysicsQED(m): 2:20am On Nov 13, 2012
One_Naira:

You must be kidding right? If you honestly believe that then i urge you to go read history of bight of benin which strenches from modern day Benin to sw. After doing so, go read Benin slavery trading.


Benin had a brief involvement (a few decades) in the early 16th century and possibly also in the 18th century (under Oba Ewuakpe) with the slave trade - though it's not clear if the 18th century trade was with Europeans or with other Africans. Throughout most of Benin's history there was little direct involvement in the Atlantic slave trade, and ironically enough, the majority of the slaves Benin sold to Europeans (in the 16th century) eventually found themselves in modern day Ghana and in Sao Tome, rather than across the ocean. Also, most of the slaves taken from the bight of Benin were purchased from those people more directly at the coast, not the Binis, and the fact that a purchased slave was said to come from 'Benin' (the kingdom) would not necessarily mean a Bini since there were certain other groups that were sometimes slaves in Benin.

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