How do i reconcile these two

first Bidam says it was Jesus receiving tithe in Hebrews 7:8 (see below).....

Bidam: Paul even settled d matter in verse 8..of heb 7...He states plainly that Christ receiveth them(the tithes) of whom it is witnessed that He liveth"..who are the witnesses that Christ is Alive? Christians ofcos..we are His witness..Christians give tithes to Jesus. Paul could not make it any plainer.

....then Apostle Image123 says it was some men (see below)

Image123:
(BBE) Now at the present time, men over whom death has power take the tenth; but then it was taken by one of whom it is witnessed that he is living.
If this is not evidence, there is nothing called evidence. hebrews PLAINLY states that some people were receiving tithes. hebrews was written AFTER the law.[/color]

Now who is right who is wrong? the problem is that you guys believe you are saying the same thing.

...make I go sleep first. When I wake up, I will respond...at least I don quote you already....

...and i have been asking one question: was this goal achieved by adherence to the law? you people know how to dodge questions sha

You still don't get it. according to you image123, when Paul said that just as priests were maintained with tithe & offerings 'even so' pastors should be maintained with tithes and offerings today. Your position is that pastors should be maintained exactly as priests were being maintained. All i did was show that priest were 'chopping' the meat sacrificed on the altar. If you say pastors should be maintained in the same manner feed of tithe and burnt offerings, i agree.

This one no need for argument. all you need to do is provide that good dictionary that defines harvest as income. Provide a link here for us to study.

if we must assume probabilities, let based it on our understanding of other events, commandments/instructions, practices e.t.c at the time. we know the following;
1. Prior to conversion, the gentiles were not tithing to God

2. Acts 15 provide details of the aspect of the Jewish practice that the gentiles were required to comply with and tithe was not included

3. We know from the O.T that there was an instruction for the Levites to receive tithe and the Hebrews 7:8 you keep regurgitating refers only to the Levite. We don't find a contrary instruction for gentiles to tithe to pastors

4. In the course of establishing the tithe in the O.T, God declared the tithe of the land as sacred to him, he defined his tithe and mandated that this should be given to the Levite as their inheritance. In the NT, God did not modify this definition and beneficiary.

5. We know Paul did not collect tithe because [s]a. there was no contrary instruction that tithe can be received by non-Levi priests;[/s] b. Paul refused to burden the converts by working to earn his living. If tithe was the key to wealth, Paul would not deny the gentile Christians their 'breakthrough', instead Paul went from one Church to another collecting from those that are better off to support those in need. We know very well that most of the bible verse used to support prosperity gospel were Paul' s statements, yet Paul did not practice it.

So image123, on what basis do you want me to assume that the gentiles tithed?

Bidam: 8. In the one case, the tenth is collectected by men who die(levi); but in the other case, by him who is declared to be living(christ). Connect that scripture with heb5:6 paul was clear on that: And he says you are a priest forever in the order of melchizedek.heb7:9. One might even say that levi, who collects the tenth, paid the tenth through Abraham,10. Because when melchizedek met Abraham, levi was still in the body of his ancestor. Summary:[size=20pt]melchizedek=Christ[/size](immortal and Spiritual).dispensation of Grace(spiritual jews). Men=Levi(mortal and earthly)under the law(jews).

Image123:
You well know that i was referring to the first/bolded part of that verse, while Bidam was referring to the second/latter part of the verse. In case, by any sick chance, you didn't really know, well re-read it now with a better understanding. i'm talking to all of you that fell for the zikky bait BTW, zikkyy and fans.

Image123:
As much as you're trying to make it a 'there' and 'here' argument, that's not what we are talking about yet. We are talking about 'receiveth' and 'received'. There is a difference of tenses. I bake is different from i baked. Now, you're trying to blame the King James. Look at it in 7other translations. i guess all of them don't know their tenses like you do.Focus on the 'receive' instead of 'received' if you can.
1. (ALT) And here on the one hand dying [fig., mortal] men receive tithes, there on the other hand [it is] being witnessed that he lives.
2. (BBE) Now at the present time, men over whom death has power take the tenth; but then it was taken by one of whom it is witnessed that he is living.
3. (DRB) And here indeed, men that die receive tithes: but there, he hath witness that he liveth.
4. (Darby) Heb 7:8 And here dying men receive tithes; but there one of whom the witness is that he lives;
5. (GNB) In the case of the priests the tenth is collected by men who die; but as for Melchizedek the tenth was collected by one who lives, as the scripture says.
6. (LITV) And here dying men indeed receive tithes, but there it having been witnessed that he lives;
7. (WNT) Moreover here frail mortal men receive tithes: there one receives them about whom there is evidence that he is alive.

They are all in continuous tense. Why didn't they say men received tithes? That would so much have helped your case. Especially when one considers that the chapter freely used past tense where things were past. Pls, take note of the bold.

debosky:

The 'men' described here, as shown in other translations, are PRIESTS - i.e. those serving in the Levitical Priesthood, those who still conform to the law and NOT individuals in the church. To those men/Priests, there is no 'after the law' as they don't believe in Jesus as Jehovah's Salvation, just like many present-day Jews. They are effectively living under the dispensation of the law. And it is these people you refer to as justification? Heck you might as well refer to Pharisees as justification - oh wait, you've done that already in Matthew.

I am sure those priests also were receiving and administering burnt sacrifices (as practiced under the law) - where did the disciples 'condemn' that, since that is what you are emphasising? Please show me where burnt offerings were condemned by Apostles.

Heb 7:6 But he whose descent is not count[b]ed[/b] from them receive[b]d[/b] tithes of Abraham, and bless[b]ed[/b] him that had the promises.
Heb 7:7 And without all contradiction the less is bless[b]ed[/b] of the better.
Heb 7:8 And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.
Heb 7:9 And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, paid tithes in Abraham.
Heb 7:10 For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchizedek met him.

If you can't see this, its beyond me what can be done to show you. Verses in Hebrews 7 refering to Genesis 14 all very clearly show the action in past tense.
Melchi and Levi are of a different order of priesthood. Jesus was our High Priest even while the Aaronic priesthood was in place. In the end of the day, it is to God that you give tithes.

Image123:
i retain that they should be. if you agree to tithes and offerings, fine, very fine. Pastors are maintained with tithes and offerings today. there are different types of offerings. If you feel like giving your own pastor food, crops and animals, go ahead. they'll do with it, what they know is best. your own na to bring the animal. A giver like you, i expect cow, goats, fat chicken and turkey aplenty. It's very god and welcome

debosky:

When did tithes become the requirement for establishing 'relationship' or faith in Jesus Christ?

Even if we accept this 'tithe' for relationship argument - since Levi didn't tithe because his father Abraham had tithed, why do I need to tithe now since I also consider Abraham my father?

Galatians 3:7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

The real children of Abraham, then, are those who put their faith in God.

My faith has already 'connected' me to what is accomplished in Heaven and bringing it to pass on earth.

Saint paris: Of all the laws and commandment God gave in the OT you guys choose to follow only one, tithe. show me in the old testament where d bible says law of tithing..there is law of peace offering, burnt offering but NEVER law of tithing..tithing is a principle(ordinance) not a law.

Why?

TheShopKeeper:

@Bidam

The two letters to the Corinthian Church was written by Paul to give a proper order on how the gentile christian should live their lives in an environment which was rather corrupt and full of vices.
Paul wrote these letters after he received information about how the christians were living their lives which wasn't what was excepted of them. A good example is the man having a martial intercourse with either his own mother or step-mother. (please try and research the kind of lifestyle of the Corinthians in the 1st Century). I guess you would have heard the saying - "living like a Corinthian".
Furthermore, the two letters focuses on how the house churches should related with each other. If you take time to study the two letters, you will find out that the church in question is full of spirit-filled christians who can doing unspeakable things, just like we have in many of our churches today.
Historically, Paul wrote four seperate letters to the church, but only two survived that is the 2nd letter (now known as the Ist Corinthian) and the 4th letter (now known as the 2nd Corinthian).
Please do further study, you will find out that Paul did not in any of the Corinthian letters specifically mentioned anything to do with tithing.
Paul wrote on many topics, such as how to relate with one another as brothers and sisters, his own personal views on marriage and celibacy, eating food offered to idols (as meats sold in the market places are firstly offered to the many idols in the Corinthian society), how men and women should dress to be different from the idol worshippers, Spiritual gifts etc.
Thanks.

Image123: @zikkyy
Income is profits, proceeds, returns, harvest, revenue, earnings, wages, pay, salary. tithe is a 10% of what you make.

Image123: @zikkyy
There is no dictionary meaning of tithe or of salvation in the Bible. Even the 'illiterate' Israelites were taken for granted to know the meaning of tithes. it is simply 10% of income.

Image123:
in·come [ín kùm]
(plural in·comes)
noun
1. money received over period: the amount of money received over a period of time either as payment for work, goods, or services, or as profit on capital
2. inflow: an act of coming in or flowing in

Thesaurus: profits, proceeds, returns, revenue, earnings, wages, pay, salary, take-home pay, takings
Microsoft® Encarta® 2009. © 1993-2008 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

Image123:
har·vest [hrvəst]
noun (plural har·vests)
1. quantity of crop: the quantity of a crop that is gathered or ripens during a season

Thesaurus: crop, yield, produce, return, fruitage, ingathering
Microsoft® Encarta® 2009. © 1993-2008 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

Image123:
yield [yeeld]
verb (past and past participle yield·ed, present participle yield·ing, 3rd person present singular yields)
1. transitive verb produce something: to produce something naturally or as a result of cultivation

Thesaurus: harvest, crop, produce, vintage, profit, earnings, INCOME, revenue, return

Microsoft® Encarta® 2009. © 1993-2008 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

Goshen360:

This is your heresy exposed!

New International Version (©1984)
Without father or mother, without genealogy, without beginning of days or end of life, like the Son of God he remains a priest forever.

New Living Translation (©2007)
There is no record of his father or mother or any of his ancestors--no beginning or end to his life. He remains a priest forever, resembling the Son of God. Hebrews 7:3

Tell how Melchizedek = Jesus with the above verse

Image123: @zikky

You've asked more than one question, even if i answered this one, you'd ask three more. i'm not under a debt to answer your every question. i'm answering your questions in order of relevance to the points being discussed, so that you see the real issues instead of gallivanting around aimlessly. BTW, the goal of the law, which is love, is achieved by anyone who adheres to it. Love has not passed away.1Corinth 13.


i retain that they should be. if you agree to tithes and offerings, fine, very fine. Pastors are maintained with tithes and offerings today. there are different types of offerings. If you feel like giving your own pastor food, crops and animals, go ahead. they'll do with it, what they know is best. your own na to bring the animal. A giver like you, i expect cow, goats, fat chicken and turkey aplenty. It's very good and welcome.

1Co 9:13 Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar?
1Co 9:14 Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

CEV

1Co 9:13 Don't you know that people who work in the temple make their living from what is brought to the temple? Don't you know that a person who serves at the altar is given part of what is offered?
1Co 9:14 In the same way, the Lord wants everyone who preaches the good news to make a living from preaching this message.



You are proving lazy and dishonest. i don't do online dictionaries and thesaurus as i have one. But i'll oblige you with the microsoft on my system. Merriem Webster is also similar.


in·come [ín kùm]
(plural in·comes)
noun
1. money received over period: the amount of money received over a period of time either as payment for work, goods, or services, or as profit on capital
2. inflow: an act of coming in or flowing in

Thesaurus: profits, proceeds, returns, revenue, earnings, wages, pay, salary, take-home pay, takings
Microsoft® Encarta® 2009. © 1993-2008 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.



har·vest [hrvəst]
noun (plural har·vests)
1. quantity of crop: the quantity of a crop that is gathered or ripens during a season

Thesaurus: crop, yield, produce, return, fruitage, ingathering
Microsoft® Encarta® 2009. © 1993-2008 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

yield [yeeld]
verb (past and past participle yield·ed, present participle yield·ing, 3rd person present singular yields)
1. transitive verb produce something: to produce something naturally or as a result of cultivation

Thesaurus: harvest, crop, produce, vintage, profit, earnings, INCOME, revenue, return

Microsoft® Encarta® 2009. © 1993-2008 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.



Neither were they fasting or praying to God.


Wrong, Acts 15 provides details of the aspect of the law of Moses they were required to comply with. Fortunately for us, the laws of God are not limited to the law of Moses. Tithing was BEFORE Moses' grandfather!


The bolded is right and is what i've been saying for about 12pages, except you mistakenly wrote this.


You make it sound so cool, establishing, declared, defined, mandated, bla bla. All na grammar. Every Bible student knows when God was specific and detailed in the law. Compare the issues of making the tabernacle, or of cleansing, or of sacrifices, with what you're saying of tithes. There is no such detail and definition given. It simply states that the tithe is holy to God.

Lev 27:30 And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the LORD's: it is holy unto the LORD.

Lev 27:32 And concerning the tithe of the herd, or of the flock, even of whatsoever passeth under the rod, the tenth shall be holy unto the LORD.

It's not limiting it or defining it or establishing it. The focus is that tithes belong to God. In other places, it mentioned of some tithe that belong to widows and levites. Take the scriptures cumulatively not in some regimented isolation nobody demanded of you.


selective reading yet again. paul never gave a reason for not collecting tithes or for collecting tithes. i thought you loved to argue that Paul did not talk about tithes? suddenly you know the reason why Paul did not collect what he did not talk about? i didn't say tithe is any key to wealth, dunno why you're devilishly trying to push that on me. Paul didn't 'burden' people but could have. He had the power to, it was his personal decision as shown here.
1Co 9:11 If we have sown unto you spiritual things, is it a great thing if we shall reap your carnal things?
1Co 9:12 If others be partakers of this power over you, are not we rather? Nevertheless we have not used this power; but suffer all things, lest we should hinder the gospel of Christ.


On the basis that they were mindful of the words of the holy prophets. Words like Malachi 3 and co.
The gentiles gave more than 10%. they didn't need to be taught giving. Many of them gave their all. The early christians were serious and practical. Today, we have little of their type left, people need to be taught to give. You don't teach alphabets to an O'levels student. Why should they be taught on 10% when they had given their all and were ready to give their eyes? Its unlike many of the wishy washy folks today, who are still asking if it is reading the Bible is necessary or not.

Image123: @zikky
Neither were they fasting or praying to God.

Image123: @zikky
Wrong, Acts 15 provides details of the aspect of the law of Moses they were required to comply with. Fortunately for us, the laws of God are not limited to the law of Moses. Tithing was BEFORE Moses' grandfather!

Image123: @zikky
The bolded is right and is what i've been saying for about 12pages, except you mistakenly wrote this.

Image123: @zikky
You make it sound so cool, establishing, declared, defined, mandated, bla bla. All na grammar. Every Bible student knows when God was specific and detailed in the law. Compare the issues of making the tabernacle, or of cleansing, or of sacrifices, with what you're saying of tithes. There is no such detail and definition given. It simply states that the tithe is holy to God.

Lev 27:30 And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the LORD's: it is holy unto the LORD.

Lev 27:32 And concerning the tithe of the herd, or of the flock, even of whatsoever passeth under the rod, the tenth shall be holy unto the LORD.

Image123: @zikky
It's not limiting it or defining it or establishing it. The focus is that tithes belong to God. In other places, it mentioned of some tithe that belong to widows and levites. Take the scriptures cumulatively not in some regimented isolation nobody demanded of you.

Image123: @zikky
selective reading yet again. paul never gave a reason for not collecting tithes or for collecting tithes. i thought you loved to argue that Paul did not talk about tithes? suddenly you know the reason why Paul did not collect what he did not talk about? i didn't say tithe is any key to wealth, dunno why you're devilishly trying to push that on me. Paul didn't 'burden' people but could have. He had the power to, it was his personal decision as shown here.
1Co 9:11 If we have sown unto you spiritual things, is it a great thing if we shall reap your carnal things?
1Co 9:12 If others be partakers of this power over you, are not we rather? Nevertheless we have not used this power; but suffer all things, lest we should hinder the gospel of Christ.

Image123: @zikky
On the basis that they were mindful of the words of the holy prophets. Words like Malachi 3 and co.

Image123: @zikky
The gentiles gave more than 10%. they didn't need to be taught giving. Many of them gave their all. The early christians were serious and practical. Today, we have little of their type left, people need to be taught to give. You don't teach alphabets to an O'levels student. Why should they be taught on 10% when they had given their all and were ready to give their eyes? Its unlike many of the wishy washy folks today, who are still asking if it is reading the Bible is necessary or not.

debosky:
Ok, maybe you are confused

Bidam:
like image said u guys dnt know d difference btw laws and ordinances..there are different laws in scriptures and Tithing is alwaz interchanged as Givings in the new testament..tithing is a principle not a Law.

Goshen360: @ Image123,

Let's "assume" and/or "agree" that the tenses of Hebrews 7:8 on your "receives/receiveth" and all that stuff is considered and/or ignored; WHO IS THE "HE" that "receive, receiveth, received" or whatever, Who is the "he" in that context or verse Melchizedek or Jesus

Goshen360:
Tell how Melchizedek = Jesus with the above verse

debosky:

Ok, maybe you are confused - I am not arguing that 'men indeed receive tithes' - I have clearly said those men are Levitical Priests and no one else. If that is your point of argument, refer to this post below:



My argument is about your false claim that Melchisedek continues to receive tithes.



Again, the issue here is your claim that Melchisedek continues to receive tithes - I have no argument about 'present continuous' receipt of tithes by Levitical Priests.

Zikkyy:

You pretend not to understand my post. The animals relate to burnt offerings. If you are saying Christ commands that pastors be maintained exactly the way it was done in the OT, then pastors should be maintained with animals sacrificed as burnt offering to God.

Image123: @zikky

You've asked more than one question, even if i answered this one, you'd ask three more. i'm not under a debt to answer your every question. i'm answering your questions in order of relevance to the points being discussed, so that you see the real issues instead of gallivanting around aimlessly. BTW, the goal of the law, which is love, is achieved by anyone who adheres to it. Love has not passed away.1Corinth 13.


i retain that they should be. if you agree to tithes and offerings, fine, very fine. Pastors are maintained with tithes and offerings today. there are different types of offerings. If you feel like giving your own pastor food, crops and animals, go ahead. they'll do with it, what they know is best. your own na to bring the animal. A giver like you, i expect cow, goats, fat chicken and turkey aplenty. It's very good and welcome.

1Co 9:13 Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar?
1Co 9:14 Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

CEV

1Co 9:13 Don't you know that people who work in the temple make their living from what is brought to the temple? Don't you know that a person who serves at the altar is given part of what is offered?
1Co 9:14 In the same way, the Lord wants everyone who preaches the good news to make a living from preaching this message.



You are proving lazy and dishonest. i don't do online dictionaries and thesaurus as i have one. But i'll oblige you with the microsoft on my system. Merriem Webster is also similar.


in·come [ín kùm]
(plural in·comes)
noun
1. money received over period: the amount of money received over a period of time either as payment for work, goods, or services, or as profit on capital
2. inflow: an act of coming in or flowing in

Thesaurus: profits, proceeds, returns, revenue, earnings, wages, pay, salary, take-home pay, takings
Microsoft® Encarta® 2009. © 1993-2008 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.



har·vest [hrvəst]
noun (plural har·vests)
1. quantity of crop: the quantity of a crop that is gathered or ripens during a season

Thesaurus: crop, yield, produce, return, fruitage, ingathering
Microsoft® Encarta® 2009. © 1993-2008 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

yield [yeeld]
verb (past and past participle yield·ed, present participle yield·ing, 3rd person present singular yields)
1. transitive verb produce something: to produce something naturally or as a result of cultivation

Thesaurus: harvest, crop, produce, vintage, profit, earnings, INCOME, revenue, return

Microsoft® Encarta® 2009. © 1993-2008 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.



Neither were they fasting or praying to God.


Wrong, Acts 15 provides details of the aspect of the law of Moses they were required to comply with. Fortunately for us, the laws of God are not limited to the law of Moses. Tithing was BEFORE Moses' grandfather!


The bolded is right and is what i've been saying for about 12pages, except you mistakenly wrote this.


You make it sound so cool, establishing, declared, defined, mandated, bla bla. All na grammar. Every Bible student knows when God was specific and detailed in the law. Compare the issues of making the tabernacle, or of cleansing, or of sacrifices, with what you're saying of tithes. There is no such detail and definition given. It simply states that the tithe is holy to God.

Lev 27:30 And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the LORD's: it is holy unto the LORD.

Lev 27:32 And concerning the tithe of the herd, or of the flock, even of whatsoever passeth under the rod, the tenth shall be holy unto the LORD.

It's not limiting it or defining it or establishing it. The focus is that tithes belong to God. In other places, it mentioned of some tithe that belong to widows and levites. Take the scriptures cumulatively not in some regimented isolation nobody demanded of you.


selective reading yet again. paul never gave a reason for not collecting tithes or for collecting tithes. i thought you loved to argue that Paul did not talk about tithes? suddenly you know the reason why Paul did not collect what he did not talk about? i didn't say tithe is any key to wealth, dunno why you're devilishly trying to push that on me. Paul didn't 'burden' people but could have. He had the power to, it was his personal decision as shown here.
1Co 9:11 If we have sown unto you spiritual things, is it a great thing if we shall reap your carnal things?
1Co 9:12 If others be partakers of this power over you, are not we rather? Nevertheless we have not used this power; but suffer all things, lest we should hinder the gospel of Christ.


On the basis that they were mindful of the words of the holy prophets. Words like Malachi 3 and co.
The gentiles gave more than 10%. they didn't need to be taught giving. Many of them gave their all. The early christians were serious and practical. Today, we have little of their type left, people need to be taught to give. You don't teach alphabets to an O'levels student. Why should they be taught on 10% when they had given their all and were ready to give their eyes? Its unlike many of the wishy washy folks today, who are still asking if it is reading the Bible is necessary or not.

Image123:
BTW, the goal of the law, which is love, is achieved by anyone who adheres to it. Love has not passed away.1Corinth 13.

Image123:
You hypocrite, do your own part of faithfully bringing the animals. The pastors you can leave to do what's best with it, whether na burnt, or grilled, or fried they go take am do. I know you're not as thick-headed as the quote.

Zikkyy:

If Melchi = Jesus, i'll like Bidam to tell us what Melchi did with the spoils of war (his 10%). was it taken to heaven?.. am sure he did not give it back to Abraham

Since you have the bible, look at heb5..Paul revealed Christ as a High priest in the order of Melchizedek..connect it with heb7.16-28)..i beleive u agree with me paul was talking about Christ..

.and i clearly remember when u said david was not a priest and i quoted relevant scriptures where david not only functioned as a priest but also ordain his sons to serve as priest in the temple

Zikkyy:
Mr Image123, you cannot love because the law says you should love, it is not possible.

Image123:
good of you, very good. The value of that is that people received tithes under the noses of the apostles without a word of condemnation or discouragement.

Most antitithers treat the subject as if the very gospel and salvation hangs on it. To them, tithe is the mark of an heretic, blasphemy, who is a brother and who is not. Antitithing has become a ministry to them and anybody tithing MUST be gullible or a major beneficiary of "the tithe scan". This is the rooted notion being uprooted by fire, as it were.

Zikkyy:

Why don't you pick a dictionary and look up the meaning of principle.

Zikkyy:

Why don't you pick a dictionary and look up the meaning of principle.

Bidam: Thank u for replying my post and dat shows u don't throw anybody's view to d dustbin as thrash..but let me take it slowly one by one am in no hurry and i hope u re not too...WAS KING DAVID A PRIEST? am not d only believer who believes king david was a priest..dats a whole new topic entirely and i dnt want to derail d thread cos its talking about tithing..but to find out if king david was a priest u can go the this link..www.askelm.com/doctrine/ The exposition dere will blow ur mind cos u can't talk about melchizedek and Christ witout d mention of david who also was a type of melchizedek.. As u know in ancient isreal one is not required to be specially consecrated in order to perform d sacrificial functions anyone might approach d altar and offer sacrifices..chek (2sam24:25). Even solomon before d ark in jerusalem(1king3:15): David on the occasion of the transferance of the ark to zion and solomon at d dedication of d temple ministered as priest(2sam6:14,17,18,1king8:22,54). The kings of isreal ordained as priest whomever they chose. David invested his own sons wiith priestly office(2chr11:15..2chr23:18,2chr29:27)... And as for who do we give our tithes and offering to...ayam am coming with scriptural quotations to back those claims.

Bidam: i don't think i will waste my time here discussing spiritual principles here..since u re blind to spiritual truths..wait till Christ returns then we shall know who is speaking truth and who is telling lies...but one thing am sure of that the Holy Spirit has taught me is that tithing is a spiritual principles..The whole scriptures shouts it..Jesus acknowledges it..Paul encourages it..God validates it .