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Re: Nigeria Anti-corruption Index Improves - TI 2012 Report by Gbawe: 6:10am On Dec 06, 2012 |
Sincere 9gerian: Not surprised you had to type this garbage 3 times. Desperate folks like you, with no real point, try 'bombardment' in the hope a lie told many times begins to appear as the truth. Mainstream media is slower to react than NL mainly because this forum has many who talk without thinking like you. So wait till expert analysis of TI's 2012 rating begin to come out to see how foolish you and other clowns will look. I have already given you all solid clues to show we are regressing yet you fail to take heed because you are brainwashed or paid to overlook logic. If Russia that was same with us last year and has improved to be above us, with 28 points, is still adjudged as not really impressive then what does that tell you and other desperados? Read the part in bold below with some being the position of TI as regards Nigeria. Folks like you have no shame so I know you will ignore what TI itself thinks to carry on your 'naked' dance. I still suggest , despite your lack of shame, that you and your desperate co-travellers should stop fooling yourselves. It will be worse from here on when intelligent and balanced analysts/observers provide their submission that is devoid of the sycophantic jargon you bring here. You see the report below is dated today and Maku, unlike your snail-slow self, is already backtracking and blaming Nigerians? You are an uber-sycophant , plus snail-slow to boot, but even you should discern why Maku has gone on the defensive in trying to launder his bosses image. http://www.punchng.com/news/nigeria-is-35th-most-corrupt-nation-ti/ Nigeria is 35th most corrupt nation –TI |
Re: Nigeria Anti-corruption Index Improves - TI 2012 Report by Nobody: 7:20am On Dec 06, 2012 |
@Gbawe..,I'm not surprised by that report of Punch. We shouldn't expect a goat to get fair judgement in hand of a lion. Punch is an arm of the ACN, just like Premium Times is the handbag of El Rufai. I'm sure they'll all be DISAPPOINTED that despite their propaganda on how corruption had allegedly grown ASTRONOMICALLY in the last 2yrs, TI revealed exactly the opposite. Nig climbed up 4 places and scored more absolute points. If not for the propaganda, Nig would have MADE MUCH PROGRESS. Unfortunately, because of politics, we continue to RUN DOWN our country and ourselves. By the way, is there ANY LAW that says STATE GOVERNORS SHOULD NOT FIGHT CORRUPTION? If Lagos could have traffic law, apprehend offenders and prosecute them, ban okada, why cant it prosecute those who have stolen its money or who request bribe? How many aides, cabinet members, civil servants,etc have been either sacked, reprimanded or outrightly prosecuted in Lagos or CPC controlled Nasarawa? Perhaps ALL the civil servants in those states are progressive SAINTS or progressive thieves or bribe takers? Why are we always focused on the centre forgetting that much of the contact between Nigerians/foreigners and the public sector is with civil servants under the control of the states. The governor of Bayelsa state recently fired and initiated the prosecution of some civil servants for allegation of corruption. Why cant other governors do same? Is it FORBIDDEN for governors to fight corruption? Of course EFCC cannot be everywhere and their activities are limited by available funds and personnel. The much of the data analysed by TI for the ranking of countries is obtained NOT from how contracts are awarded in Abuja but from the attitude of civil servants at the lowest level and MOST of these civil servants are under the state governor. I'm not exonerating the FG but I think if we want REAL PROGRESS, all hands must be on deck. Sometimes its difficult to understand what the opposition and critics of GEJ really want. They are saying GEJ should declare his asset PUBLICLY but surprsingly we've been talking about constitution review for almost a year now but NOBODY, not even the opposition in the NASS or the critics of GEJ, is talking about amending the law to make asset declaration by ALL or a certain category of public servants a public thing. This is shocking. Why do they want GEJ to declare his assets PUBLICLY but not Fashola or Tambuwai? Of what benefit is trying to be the ONLY wise man in a class of 1,000 FOOLS? Why not we amend the law so all civil servants or top category of civil servants will be made to declare their assets publicly? How would GEJ alone declaring his assets publicly help the fight against corruption? Some people are just Mischief Makers 3 Likes |
Re: Nigeria Anti-corruption Index Improves - TI 2012 Report by Demdem(m): 8:16am On Dec 06, 2012 |
^^^^ Why dont u take a good look at the Punch's report and fault whatever u feel may have been exaggerated with facts or better still bring forth any report from the pro-Govt papers like Thisday, tribune, sun etc. The question that should bother is "Did Punch reported the story has explained by TI well or not?" As long as none of what was written by punch is untrue, its admissible. |
Re: Nigeria Anti-corruption Index Improves - TI 2012 Report by Gbawe: 8:36am On Dec 06, 2012 |
Demdem: ^^^^ By the time all Newspapers, analysts and public observers concur that there is no improvement, we will see what excuse Mr. Omokri will come out with next in his dubious effort to bamboozle the "gullible" elements. http://www.ngrguardiannews.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=106807:again-transparency-international-ranks-nigeria-low-in-war-against-graft&catid=31:business&Itemid=562 Again, Transparency International ranks Nigeria low in war against graft |
Re: Nigeria Anti-corruption Index Improves - TI 2012 Report by Demdem(m): 8:42am On Dec 06, 2012 |
^^^^^ Surely Guardian isnt pro-ACN. But will this report make them so? Time will tell. |
Re: Nigeria Anti-corruption Index Improves - TI 2012 Report by GARRIx7(m): 9:04am On Dec 06, 2012 |
[size=38pt]..... and when GBAWE entered, our party ended ..... [/size] |
Re: Nigeria Anti-corruption Index Improves - TI 2012 Report by Dee60: 9:20am On Dec 06, 2012 |
The fact remains that corruption in both private and public sectors remain endemic. We need a more drastic reaction. Nigeria may not survive these marginal improvements as recorded by TI. Wake up guys. |
Re: Nigeria Anti-corruption Index Improves - TI 2012 Report by blacksta(m): 9:29am On Dec 06, 2012 |
I love u Gbawe |
Re: Nigeria Anti-corruption Index Improves - TI 2012 Report by Iolo(m): 9:31am On Dec 06, 2012 |
PointB: I think contrary to the hate campaign by the opposition media and their agents in cyberspace, the International World (Transparency International for example) recognize the fact that the first step in fighting corruption is via transparency (no pun intended). The present government deliberate policy of exposing the rot in the oil and other sectors is very remarkable. It gives the population the opportunity to see for themselves, the corrupt practices enshrined over time, and well covered up by past governments in Nigeria, with options and solutions for dealing with them - i.e. full subsidy removal, deregulation, reform, transformation, privatization, budget cuts and tightening. If not for this, most of the corruption cases we've heard about from the pension scam to the subsidy scam etc etc would have not come to the limelight at all. Exposing corruption as GEJ is doing is the first step towards fixing our corrupt system. I just hope he goes beyond this. 1 Like |
Re: Nigeria Anti-corruption Index Improves - TI 2012 Report by Iolo(m): 9:41am On Dec 06, 2012 |
Why is it that till date, no state government has deemed it fit to create its own Anti - Corruption agency. Not even the opposition states. I do think that the corruption fight shouldn't be left for GEJ and the EFCC alone. States should wad in and clean up their civil service too, they can at least show the FG how its done. That's the fastest way to get to the promise land. 1 Like |
Re: Nigeria Anti-corruption Index Improves - TI 2012 Report by Makzylopez: 10:01am On Dec 06, 2012 |
we should for once acknowledge and commend recorded improvements. its a gradual process. Demdem: These are probably part of the reasons why Nigeria didnt have a better score no doubt. We could have done better. |
Re: Nigeria Anti-corruption Index Improves - TI 2012 Report by Demdem(m): 10:10am On Dec 06, 2012 |
Iolo: Why is it that till date, no state government has deemed it fit to create its own Anti - Corruption agency. Not even the opposition states. Lets start with state police. All others will follow. |
Re: Nigeria Anti-corruption Index Improves - TI 2012 Report by Gbawe: 10:22am On Dec 06, 2012 |
GARRI (x7): I have a habit of doing that ...... Party pooper that I am My brother, "some people dey call dem mumu, some people they call dem oluku".................. I keep telling Mr.Omokri to take his rudimentary propaganda elsewhere but he won't listen. He is bandying some silly 27 and 24 scores around obdurately and foolishly when informed observers know, because of change in methodology, one cannot use comparison to last years score as a mark of improvement. The real picture is far different from that simplistic and uninformed view. If not that some Nigerians are thoroughly dishonest people, should Mr.Omokri be here talking nonsense when everybody accepts that the comparison he seeks to make is null and void? http://www.mainjustice.com/justanticorruption/2012/12/05/u-s-russia-nigeria-see-positive-gains-in-corruption-perceptions-index/ In the overall rankings, Russia rose 133 from 143 last year. Despite the increase, the country has an individual score of 28, which indicates a high corruption perception. Nigeria, which had tied with Russia in 2011, is now 139 overall, though it has an individual score of 27. |
Re: Nigeria Anti-corruption Index Improves - TI 2012 Report by Nobody: 11:33am On Dec 06, 2012 |
Gbawe:Sorry, that is your opinion. However the fact remains that Nigeria moved up 4 places in 2012 ranking and scored 27( rated from 0 to 100), an improvement over 2.4(rated from 0 to 10) of last yr. 1 Like |
Re: Nigeria Anti-corruption Index Improves - TI 2012 Report by usmanyaro17: 11:36am On Dec 06, 2012 |
I don't get it,is it that some people are angry because we have improved or what? It is really pathetic.... 1 Like |
Re: Nigeria Anti-corruption Index Improves - TI 2012 Report by Nobody: 11:47am On Dec 06, 2012 |
usmanyaro17: I don't get it,is it that some people are angry because we have improved or what? It is really pathetic....Dont mind them. Its all politics. Those in the opposition can even destroy Nig with a nuclear bomb if that will give them political ADVANTAGE. Which nation will make progress with this sort of DESTRUCTIVE politics? Where is NATIONAL INTEREST in all of this? |
Re: Nigeria Anti-corruption Index Improves - TI 2012 Report by Gbawe: 12:45pm On Dec 06, 2012 |
Sincere 9gerian: Yes, when at least 6-8 less Nations formed the 2012 poll in comparison to 2011. What is wrong with you? Highly dishonest and unscrupulous People like you are the real enemies of Nigeria and the reason we are where we are today. You sell your soul to the devil and then blind your eyes to the negative antics of the devil you worship. We all have ethnic and political affiliations/bias but decent folks draw the line at defending what conclusive facts/evidence shows should not be defended. Pathetically disgraceful. TI has rated our 2012 effort as "moribund". Mr.Omokri, do you not know the meaning of that word or are you just shameless beyond belief to the extent you can remain here talking garbage and attempting to deceive those you conclude vindicate the adage that the black man does not like to read? |
Re: Nigeria Anti-corruption Index Improves - TI 2012 Report by taharqa: 1:00pm On Dec 06, 2012 |
I hate to say dis: but MAYBE @Gbawe has a point..am talking d article on Ghana's TI he postd 1st (not those oda articles like PT and Punch).... Lets await clarificatn on d basis of d calculatn of index usd dis yr (not d ranking which means little) |
Re: Nigeria Anti-corruption Index Improves - TI 2012 Report by taharqa: 1:05pm On Dec 06, 2012 |
Let me mk myself clear: i hv not changd my views expressd on dis thread at all yet, but i honestly think dat d article on Ghana TI score and d possibility of a change in d calculatn of d index is interesting enuf to warrant furda clarificatns |
Re: Nigeria Anti-corruption Index Improves - TI 2012 Report by Gbawe: 1:20pm On Dec 06, 2012 |
taharqa: I hate to say dis: but MAYBE @Gbawe has a point..am talking d article on Ghana's TI he postd 1st (not those oda articles like PT and Punch).... Lets await clarificatn on d basis of d calculatn of index usd dis yr (not d ranking which means little) Thank you. Instead of insulting me, just view what i write fairly as you do here. I do not hate anyone. Whether people believe it or not, I am very comfortable and derive absolutely nothing from politics. I am one of those, in reality, who should shut his big mouth and just enjoy "papa god handwork" but the abject situation of my fellow Nigerians just cannot allow me to be apathetic. |
Re: Nigeria Anti-corruption Index Improves - TI 2012 Report by GARRIx7(m): 1:20pm On Dec 06, 2012 |
taharqa: I hate to say dis: [b]but MAYBE @Gbawe has a poi[/b]nt..am talking d article on Ghana's TI he postd 1st (not those oda articles like PT and Punch).... Lets await clarificatn on d basis of d calculatn of index usd dis yr (not d ranking which means little) Thanks for being broad-minded...... |
Re: Nigeria Anti-corruption Index Improves - TI 2012 Report by Nobody: 1:38pm On Dec 06, 2012 |
taharqa: Let me mk myself clear: i hv not changd my views expressd on dis thread at all yet, but i honestly think dat d article on Ghana TI score and d possibility of a change in d calculatn of d index is interesting enuf to warrant furda clarificatnsI'm surprised you'r falling for the cheap propaganda of these internet bandits. No matter how you look at it, a score of 27 over 100 is better than a score of 2.4 over 10. Forget the stupid formula @Gbawe.,was trying to push. Any formula outside the official ranking by TI is nonsense. I can only be objectively convinced that there was no improvement in our ranking if it can be shown that the 6 or 7 countries not including in this year ranking were ALL ranked ABOVE Nigeria in 2011(which is almost impossible). Otherwise, the propagandist have no case. Also, you need to also take into consideration the MASSIVE propaganda to PORTRAY Nigeria as the MOST corrupt country in the world by DIE HARD anti-GEJ elements? This is important because even the TI ranking is based mostly on PERCEPTION. This can only be likened to SCREAMING THIEF,THIEF at a man who is struggling to build a better image. In that sort of scenerio, how do you know the man has changed for the better? Therefore, if you minus the massive propaganda, Nigeria would have done better. Even if, without conceding, that the country maintained the same position as last yr, DESPITE the ONSLAUGHT and PROPAGANDA, that itself is progress. The full weight of the propaganda this yr was enough to push the ranking of Nigeria down to the MOST CORRUPT country in the world. Anyway, i strongly believe that our ranking in 2013 will be much better because the propagandists are already exhausting all their arsenal. 1 Like |
Re: Nigeria Anti-corruption Index Improves - TI 2012 Report by occam(m): 4:12pm On Dec 06, 2012 |
Sincere 9gerian: The TI made changes to their methodology in 2012. See FAQ below. So don't place too much value to any small change. Let's wait to see 2013 numbers. http://www.transparency.org/cpi2012/in_detail#myAnchor7 Nevertheless, corruption continues to bring undue hardship and poverty in Nigeria and the ruling elite (especially this govt) has no desire nor will to tackle this cancer. |
Re: Nigeria Anti-corruption Index Improves - TI 2012 Report by BetaThings: 4:12pm On Dec 06, 2012 |
PointB: I think contrary to the hate campaign by the opposition media and their agents in cyberspace, the International World (Transparency International for example) recognize the fact that the first step in fighting corruption is via transparency (no pun intended). The present government deliberate policy of exposing the rot in the oil and other sectors is very remarkable. It gives the population the opportunity to see for themselves, the corrupt practices enshrined over time, and well covered up by past governments in Nigeria, with options and solutions for dealing with them - i.e. full subsidy removal, deregulation, reform, transformation, privatization, budget cuts and tightening.Transparency So let us have all the probe panel reports like CNPP recommended |
Re: Nigeria Anti-corruption Index Improves - TI 2012 Report by jmaine: 5:02pm On Dec 06, 2012 |
There is no point dancing around in a futile fashion . . .Whatever indices used boil down to the final overall score . .and that overall score was applied to all sampled countries with Nigeria gaining an indices of 2.7 . .A minor appreciation from 2.4 in 2011 . . . . . . Trying to dilute and taint that minute appreciation falls flat on basic inference . . . 1 Like |
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