rhowly: Islam and Christianity may both be faiths, but differ extremely and yes i have crossed the road blindfolded before (metaphorically speaking). But i could give u countless instances of things that would leave your jaw hanging. When we come to Christ three things are required of us; repentance, confession and belief...i cannot the countless who have believed yet understood little. that's why 1Cor 2:1-16 is what it is. Take it or leave...a large part of our faith came to us via fishermen (unschooled)...so forgive me when i think God's power is of greater worth than my intellect...which alot are apt to is God's provision. i am a trained physician. i have seen the limits of intellect of mine and mine alike and i have seen the name of Jesus do awesome things. So go ahead and talk, the words are yours but fruits my eyes see daily negate all else. yes i may be a fool but not one without joy

tbaba1234:

I could also talk about the amazing things that have happened to me as a muslim. A hindu could probably give you some great stories as well.
You see, this is not the criterion for truth.

Why? Because it fails to meet the common sense principles that guide our survival on earth.

The difference between Islam and christianity in this sense, is that i do not have to jump hoops to explain what the basis of my faith. It is straightforward. The worship of one,unique, indivisible God on His terms.

honeychild:
@ tbaba
When the Bible says Jesus is the son of God we mean just that: he was created directly by God without recourse to the normal human form of reproduction.

There is a surat in the Quran ( I forget exactly which) but it says that the likeness of Adam before God is similar to that of Jesus. The Bible also calls Jesus 'the last Adam.' Both are sons of God because he created them directly without a human father.

The Bible also calls the angels sons of God for the same reason. Their lives issued directly from him

For Christians, we do not find it strange to call God's creatures his sons because he has revealed himself to us in the Holy Scriptures as a loving heavenly father who desires a close relationship with each one of us. Our God is not a Master to be in dread of. He is a Father to love. We obey him out of love and not fear because that is how he has revealed himself to us. That is why we refer to him as Father when we pray.

As for those who teach the Trinity, they are teaching an unbiblical doctrine. It Is not found In the scrIptures. The BIble clearly teaches that Jesus is the son of God, because he was created directly by God. God has no equal.

tbaba1234: ^ I have not insulted your faith or you, the least you can do is show similar courtesy.

Is this the kind of love, you are taught?

frosbel: What is your 'ONE GOD's ' PLAN for the salvation of mankind.

In other words, what is ALLAH's cure for SIN and release from DEATH!

tbaba1234:

I could also talk about the amazing things that have happened to me as a muslim. A hindu could probably give you some great stories as well.
You see, this is not the criterion for truth.

Why? Because it fails to meet the common sense principles that guide our survival on earth.

The difference between Islam and christianity in this sense, is that i do not have to jump hoops to explain what the basis of my faith. It is straightforward. The worship of one,unique, indivisible God on His terms.

I wont go back and forth, its pointless. I honestly believe there is no spiritual dimension to a faith that can be fully explained. So if that's where you think Islam triumphs...ironically that is where i think it fails. If one claims to completely understand his faith which ought to have its intrinsic supernatural dimension...its either it doesn't exist (meaning its completely physical with no ties to God Almighty or he is a liar). Jesus through Paul thought us that we know in part. I would love to hear amazing things and see amazing things your faith does, not all TALK that never seems to end. I leave it at that

tbaba1234: ^ I have not insulted your faith or you, the least you can do is show similar courtesy.

Is this the kind of love, you are taught?

tbaba1234:
She said, ‘My Lord, how can I have a son when no man has touched me?’ [The angel] said, ‘This is how God creates what He will: when He has ordained something, He only says, “Be”, and it is. (Surah 3:47)

Reyginus: Why are we bringing the religion of a sex addict(muhammed) into this?

tbaba1234:

Salam frosbel,

long time!!

Thanks for your question..

In islam, to gain salvation,all you have to do submit your will to God and believe in Him. Humans are imperfect and God created us that way. He knows what he created

He will grant forgiveness to those who did their best to serve him and stayed within His limits. After forgiveness, He will reward them with his mercy. There doesn't have to be any special arrangement for your forgiveness.

On the other hand, you have to believe that an innocent man died for you, an innocent man who did no wrong, paid for your crime. That is not justice.

We already have a direct communication with God, we do not pray in the name of Muhammad or Jesus. (May the peace and blessings of God be on them both).

Salvation and thus eternal happiness can be achieved by sincere worship.

In addition to this Islam teaches us that human beings are born without sin and are naturally inclined to worship God alone (without any intermediaries). To retain this state of sinlessness humankind must only follow God’s commandments and strive to live a righteous life. If one falls into sin, all that is required is sincere repentance followed by seeking God’s forgiveness.

honeychild:
This was uncalled for. It is possible to discuss our faith without exchanging insults. Christians should live by example. Jesus said we should do to others what we want them to do to us. I certainly do not like it when atheists or Muslims insult my faith or people I hold in deep respect. Please let us try to be civil.

truthislight: "Soul for soul"

in this instance, a perfect man Adam has to be ransomed it requires a perfect man an equivalent to what was lost to meet the ransom.

^^^

none of the sons of Adam can provide it since they are all from Adam and have inherited sin from birth.

Can you bake out a straight bread from a curved baking pan? No.

So, a perfect man was needed that can perfectly step into Adam's shoes and repurchase what was lost to enable forgiveness of sin.

And that is were Jesus comes in.

There was no way that the children of Adam that Yahweh had abandoned in the garden of eden can have a direct access to Yahweh in their inherited sinful condition/state without the offence that Adam committed being addressed.

And this help to drive home the consequence of sin to human as to forestall a future recurrence.

If you close your eyes to this ^^^ then you are yet in your sin.

The Abraham you ascribed to was told that by means of his seed Jesus all nations of the earth will certainly saved themself.

Keep deceiving yourself with your false reasoning.

You think that the God/gods that accept sacrifices think and reasons like you.
Peac

honeychild:
@tbaba:
You are welcome. I have always been curious about two things.
1. What does the Quran give as the reason for the way Jesus was born here on earth the way he was - that is, without a human father. Why did God do it?
2. Does the Quran give any reason why Jesus will the only Prophet coming back again?

Boomark: tbaba and co, you guys should stop detailing this thread

create another thread for what you are discussing. This thread is meant for refuting trinity.

tbaba1234:

Adam was not a perfect man, there is no such thing.


God is perfect but his creation isn't .

Muslims do not believe in the concept of Original Sin or the concept that the sins of Adam and Eve are responsible for the suffering of the world.
........

Man is imperfect and will make mistakes.

If he comes back to his lord, he will be forgiven,

honeychild:
This was uncalled for. It is possible to discuss our faith without exchanging insults. Christians should live by example. Jesus said we should do to others what we want them to do to us. I certainly do not like it when atheists or Muslims insult my faith or people I hold in deep respect. Please let us try to be civil.

Boomark:



Boomark is Boomark.

seyibrown:

Ok o! #ayamwochingu4anysainsoffrosbelitis

Boomark: Definition Of Trinity:
Unanswered questions.

The Trinity is defined as one God
"who" exists in three eternal,
simultaneous, and distinct
persons known as the Father, the
Son, and the Holy Spirit. - according to Olaagbade.

If you read carefully you will see that this definition said "one God who...." so i asked "who/what is this ONE GOD who exist as the Father, Son and Holyspirit?" Is this "one God" a title/name or a being who exist as the three persons? I got no answer. I asked him to redefine it for better understanding, but he couldn't.

The most popular definition is: "three person in one God." If you still ask, who is this "one God" these three persons are in? I don't think trinitarians have answer to it according to the scripture.

A better definition would have been: "three persons referred to as one God." But did the bible teach anything like this?

This teaching is for those that never had the chance to study the trinity they believe in and also to make it know to all that trinity is the doctrine of men.

Mr_Anony:
Enjoy this video and relax...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUy-H5MmeGU

Boomark:

I can't watch the video with my phone.

Would you mind explaining briefly what it says.

frosbel:

Don't even bother , it's the same old rehash of trying to explain God with unbiblical Trinity concepts and symbols.

A quick summary of the first 2 minutes :

1. God cannot be fully understood

2. Says God cannot be only spirit , has to be more than spirit.

Well we all know that this flies in the face of scripture , where God is said to be a spirit.

And guess what , it was JESUS who said his father is Spirit.

"For God is Spirit, so those who worship him must worship in spirit and in truth." - John 4:24

3. The he starts talking nonsense about God being a 3-dimensional using pagan symbols to buttress his point.

example :

[img]http://wcdpittsburgh.files./2012/03/triquetra.png?w=192&h=180[/img]

4. Then he goes on about hyper-dimensions, etc to explain the Trinity.

Obviously he cannot use scripture to support his fallacy.

Boomark:

Thanks frosbel.

Doctrine of men at work. Which one is 3-dimensional again? As if they are the ones that made GOD how he is.

@Mr Anony

So i gave you things reasoned out from the scripture to enjoy but you gave me pagan doctrine to enjoy.
SMH!!

Mr_Anony:
Perhaps you should watch the video first for yourself instead of placing your faith on frosbel's synopsis