obadiah777: AND WHERE IN THE BIBLE DOES IT TELL YOU THAT THERE IS SOMEONE CALLED SATAN ? CAN YOU SHOW ME THAT VERSE IN THE BIBLE ? I NEED TO SEE IT. YALL BRINGING IN HERESIES

greatgenius: and how do you understand this?...

like i said polarity is an illusion. the left side of polarity is what you have chosen to call " evil/satan/bad and the right side you have chosen to call godly/rightious/good...

but both sides are illusions.. God or the truth is not at both sides but at the center. God is in the center.the truth is that which balaces both sides. when you miss the mark on either side it you have sinned... imagine this as a person on-a teeter-totter, you loose balance and fall or miss the mark/center if you veer towards either side. The truth is freedom. it is in the center/balanced. it is that which is real not the illusion..

the verse is basically saying you have to test or verify what others/spirits say to know if it is the truth or coming from God or the center..

obadiah777: NOTWITHSTANDING, THERE IS ONLY ONE KIND OF HUMAN SPIRIT. HOWEVER IF YOU START INCLUDING ANIMALS AND SINGLE CELLED ORGANISMS, THEN YOU MAY HAVE A POINT WHEN YOU SAY DIFFERENT KINDS OF SPIRITS. AN INTELLIGENT PART THAT SURVIVES DEATH ? >>>> ECCLESIASTES 12 VS 7. THE SPIRIT SURVIVES DEATH. THE SPIRIT IS THE INTELLIGENT PART OF YOU >>>> JOHN 6 VS 63

Affiliated:

Your explanation is somewhat inconsistent with what majority of Christianity claims. "The claim is that the personality of Satan is acting through people or using them" But I'll accept your explanation.
The next issue is that I want some terms properly defined.
Who is an ungodly person if there's no alternative for God for the ungodly person to accept?
Who is a wicked person once again?
From your explanation all human beings are satan or have the potential to be satan.
Other than the term Satan, all the other personifications of evil in the bible, are they also human beings? The serpent? The great dragon? The devil?

According to the bible, the satan and the devil are the same personality and separate from humans.

1.
John 8:44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

2.
Revelation 20
1Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, holding the key of the abyss and a great chain in his hand. 2And he laid hold of the dragon, the serpent of old, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years; 3and he threw him into the abyss, and shut it and sealed it over him, so that he would not deceive the nations any longer, until the thousand years were completed; after these things he must be released for a short time.

7When the thousand years are completed, Satan will be released from his prison,8and will come out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together for the war; the number of them is like the sand of the seashore.9And they came up on the broad plain of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city, and fire came down from heaven and devoured them.10And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.


Jesus clearly states that Just the way He is the Son of God, evil people are Sons of Satan.

greatgenius: "satan" does not exist. he is not a being...it is man made creation.. people as usual not taking responsiblity for theri evil ways have chosen to blame it on a nonexistent satan.

TroGunn:

Satan is protrayed in the scriptures as a spirit being, once good, but being after his own wrong objectives in opposition to God and with followership.

Job 1: 6-12 - Walks into a gathering of sprit beings in heaven.

John 8:44 "You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies".

Matt 4:1-11 - Converses wih Christ while tempting him.

Rev 12: 7-9 - "And there was war in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him".

obadiah777: MY EXPLANATION IS INCONSISTENT WITH THE RELIGION OF CHRISTIANITY BECAUSE CHRISTIANITY THE RELIGION IS MAN MADE.

2-YES ALL HUMAN BEINGS HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO BE SATAN

3-ALL OTHER PERSONIFICATIONS OF SATAN IN THE BIBLE FOR EXAMPLE THE RED DRAGON IS THE GRECO-ROMAN EMPIRE. THEY ARE EMPIRES OR PEOPLE

4-JOHN 8 VS 44 IS REFERING TO CAIN WHO WAS A MURDERER AND LIAR FROM THE BEGINNING. DEVIL SIMPLY MEANS 'LIAR'.

5-THE DEVIL AND DRAGON IN REVELATION 20 IS THE ROMAN EMPIRE

truthislight:

you did not quote what the scriptures says.

How does that scripture support your lies.

"Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it." (Ecclesiastes 12:7).

^^^

how does that support your stand that man is a spirit?

greatgenius: ^^^ you going around in circles here... forget about soul for a minute if that is what is confusing you and answer this..
was the /adama/mould/body before it became animated lifeless or not when it was first created?

obadiah777: I AM LOST

truthislight:

this is like asking me if dust is lifeless?

Ofcouse, the mould was from dust and as such lifeless.

To you, is dust lifeless?

The bible says it is the power of God that ignited the mould to life = the spirit, and the life is sustain by breathing.

truthislight:

this is like asking me if dust is lifeless?

Ofcouse, the mould was from dust and as such lifeless.

To you, is dust lifeless?

The bible says it is the power of God that ignited the mould to life, that is = the spirit that did it and the life is sustain by breathing.

greatgenius: ok good so we getting somewhere..
so you agree that the body or dust was lifeless and what animated it was the spirit of God. And this spirit goes back to the owner after death... yet you dont seem to understand why the animated body/man is God made man?

truthislight:

the power(spirit) that animated the body belongs to God and it GOES back to God.

Lets take an illustration from an electric bulb.



1. Lets call the body/mould = bulb(glass philament)

2. The light from emanating from the bulb = soul.

3. The current that energies the bulb = spirit/breath.

Without the bulb and the current there will be no light(soul)

if any of the two (bulb or current is absent) is absent there will be no light.

If any of the two (mould or spirit is absent) is absent there will be no life/soul.

It takes the combination of the two to produce the soul, one of it on its own cannot.

So, when the spirit being the power of God leaves the body and the mould goes back to the dust the soul cease to exist.

When the power authority Nepa takes the current, where does the light from the bulb goes to?

Does the light enters the cable to travel to the substation?

If no, what happens to the light is what happens to the soul/life/ (light in the case of bulb), it simply cease to exist. = dead, no more life.

so, the main two things that was put together are the bulb and the breath(spirit) the source of power to power the mould.
Peace.

greatgenius: ^^^lol you are dancing again..what do you take me a fool? .. The analogy you just gave, we've past that stage!!.. its the same conclusion we arrived at this time using bulb and current.. you still haven't answered the question that i asked.. lol

Affiliated: Truthislight your analogy left me more confused than before. It seems from your analogy, you agree with Greatgenius but you are however afraid to admit it outrightly

truthislight:

how?

When i said the light from the bulb i am refering to the illuminating from the bulb that is a product of the bulb and the current and when there is no curt the illuminations simply died out.

greatgenius: ^^^ lol dont worry i know he is pretending.. he is just afraid to say he is a god or God made man.. he probaly thinks he will miss heaven when he admitts to it..

Affiliated:

OK. You claim that the current is the spirit from God and that is what powers the bulb and enables it to be alive. So isn't the actions of the bulb when producing light just the current animating the glass filament?

Affiliated:
Just like the spirit of God animating man?

truthislight:

now, it is God that sustain the man by its power, yes.

But the current is produce from the genset/turbine.

Just as the spirit is sent from the father.

The current is not the turbine.

The spirit is not God.

When Nepa takes its light the bulb, fan, tv etc that the current from the gen powered will not travelled back to the substation, it simply disconnects and the appliances goes down or dies out.



but the spirit of God is not God.

Unless you want to use the handle of the trinity that does not work here since that will make the current = the generator.

But we know it is the father that sends the spirit.

Please, dont call the father the generator o! Lol.

Just kidding.

Affiliated:

OK.I see your point of view now. I thought you believed in the trinity doctrine that states that God, The Spirit and The Son are the same thing "God"

truthislight:

the power(spirit) that animated the body belongs to God and it GOES back to God.

Lets take an illustration from an electric bulb.

1. Lets call the body/mould = bulb(glass philament)

2. The light from emanating from the bulb = soul.

3. The current that energies the bulb = spirit/breath.

Without the bulb and the current there will be no light(soul)

if any of the two (bulb or current is absent) is absent there will be no light.

If any of the two (mould or spirit is absent) is absent there will be no life/soul.

It takes the combination of the two to produce the soul, one of it on its own cannot.

So, when the spirit being the power of God leaves the body and the mould goes back to the dust the soul cease to exist.

When the power authority Nepa takes the current, where does the light from the bulb goes to?

Does the light enters the cable to travel to the substation?

If no, what happens to the light is what happens to the soul/life/ (light in the case of bulb), it simply cease to exist. = dead, no more life.

so, the main two things that was put together are the bulb and the breath(spirit) the source of power to power the mould.
Peace.

truthislight:

now, it is God that sustain the man by its power, yes.

But the current is produce from the genset/turbine.

Just as the spirit is sent from the father.

The current is not the turbine.

The spirit is not God.

When Nepa takes its light the bulb, fan, tv etc that the current from the gen powered will not travelled back to the substation, it simply disconnects and the appliances goes down or dies out.



but the spirit of God is not God.

Unless you want to use the handle of the trinity that does not work here since that will make the current = the generator.

But we know it is the father that sends the spirit.

Please, dont call the father the generator o! Lol.

Just kidding.

Affiliated: ^^^ Funny as hell