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|Dumbledore Vs Gandalf ~ Debate Thread ~ by ijebabe: 10:59am On Jan 20, 2013
Professor Albus Percival Wulfric Brian Dumbledore, Order of Merlin, First Class, Grand Sorc., D. Wiz., X.J.(sorc.), S. of Mag.Q., (July or August, 1881–30 June, 1997) was the Transfiguration Professor, and later Headmaster of Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry. Professor Dumbledore also served as Supreme Mugwump of the International Confederation of Wizards (?–1995) and Chief Warlock of the Wizengamot (?–1995; 1996-1997). He was a half-blood wizard, the son of Percival and Kendra Dumbledore, and the elder brother of Aberforth and Ariana. His father died in Azkaban when Dumbledore was young, while his mother and sister were later accidentally killed. His early losses greatly affected him early on, even at his death, but in turn made him a better person. Albus Dumbledore was considered to be the most powerful wizard of his time. He was most famous for his defeat of Gellert Grindelwald, the discovery of the twelve uses of dragon's blood, and his work on alchemy with Nicolas Flamel.
It was through Dumbledore that resistance to the rise of Lord Voldemort was formed, as it was he who founded and led both the first and second Order of the Phoenix. Due to the fact that he had a keen mind and legendary power, Dumbledore became the only wizard that Voldemort ever feared. He was the wielder and the master of the Elder Wand from 1945 until 1997 and considered by many as the greatest Headmaster to ever grace Hogwarts. As he was about to die by a cursed ring, he planned his own death with Severus Snape. Though he was no longer alive at the time, it was through Dumbledore's machinations that Voldemort was ultimately defeated and peace restored to the wizarding world. He is the only Headmaster that was laid to rest at Hogwarts. Albus Dumbledore's portrait still remains at Hogwarts.
Gandalf the Grey, later known as Gandalf the White, also known as Olórin, Tharkun, and Mithrandir, was an Istar. Istari were Maiar that were specially chosen by the Valar to help aid the people of Middle-earth in the fight against evil. The Istari (Men called them Wizards) took the form of Men, but possessed much greater physical and mental power. For over 2,000 years, Gandalf worked most faithfully against the rising powers of evil in Middle-earth.
Gandalf was the wisest of the Maiar. He was first known as Olórin, who sometimes dwelt in the gardens of Irmo and was the pupil of Nienna, who taught him wisdom and pity, and of Manwë and Varda. When the Valar decided to send the order of the Istari (also known as Wizards) to Middle-earth, to counsel and assist all those in Middle-earth who opposed the Dark Lord Sauron Manwë and Varda decided to include Olórin among the five who were sent. Arriving in Middle-earth, Gandalf (Olorin) spent many centuries walking among the elves as a stranger, learning from them and teaching them. He later revealed himself as one of the Istari, and eventually became known as the wisest of and most powerful of that order. Although Saruman was at first more powerful, was more knowledgeable about many matters regarding Sauron and the Rings of Power, and was head of the White Council before the War of the Ring, he later grew jealous and afraid of Gandalf.
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|Re: Dumbledore Vs Gandalf ~ Debate Thread ~ by ijebabe: 11:19am On Jan 20, 2013
There will be only one round of debate as we don't have people willing to take on Dumbledore SMH. I hate to disappoint ItsModella and Damex333 but as both sides are unbalanced I would rather have one person from each side. Bolakale is Harry Potter fan and Red Moss is a LODR fan. So one round, fight to the death!
Rules again are simple. Keep it clean, no personal attacks as that would lead to disqualification.
Team Dumbledore should post with BLUE font and Team Gandalf with RED font.
Posting pictures are allowed.
Quoting characters to back up your arguments is very important.
The judges will be basing their judgement and awarding points on:
Content: 5 points
Presentation style/delivery: 5 points
Clarity/fluency: 5 points
Quoting/Referencing: 5 points
Therefore the maximum points a debaters can accrue is 20 points. The side with the highest number of collective individual points, win.
Judges will not interrupt the debate, unless when necessary. They would only post individual scores at the end.
The audience can cheer their favorite debater on but NOT allowed to contribute/ask questions in the debate. Irrelevant comments will be deleted!
|Re: Dumbledore Vs Gandalf ~ Debate Thread ~ by ijebabe: 6:06pm On Jan 20, 2013
Are you guys ready?
|Re: Dumbledore Vs Gandalf ~ Debate Thread ~ by ijebabe: 6:11pm On Jan 20, 2013
|Re: Dumbledore Vs Gandalf ~ Debate Thread ~ by Mynd44: 6:11pm On Jan 20, 2013
|Re: Dumbledore Vs Gandalf ~ Debate Thread ~ by bolakale30(m): 6:13pm On Jan 20, 2013
bolakale reporting 4 duty !
|Re: Dumbledore Vs Gandalf ~ Debate Thread ~ by Nobody: 6:19pm On Jan 20, 2013
"I wield the Sword of Truth"
|Re: Dumbledore Vs Gandalf ~ Debate Thread ~ by Mynd44: 6:20pm On Jan 20, 2013
Let's get this party started
|Re: Dumbledore Vs Gandalf ~ Debate Thread ~ by ijebabe: 6:24pm On Jan 20, 2013
Where is Red Moss na??!
|Re: Dumbledore Vs Gandalf ~ Debate Thread ~ by Nobody: 6:25pm On Jan 20, 2013
These guys aint serious
|Re: Dumbledore Vs Gandalf ~ Debate Thread ~ by Mynd44: 6:26pm On Jan 20, 2013
Time no dey ooo. Make e show na
|Re: Dumbledore Vs Gandalf ~ Debate Thread ~ by bolakale30(m): 6:28pm On Jan 20, 2013
binger: These guys aint serious
binger: These guys aint seriousam here nau
binger: These guys aint serious
|Re: Dumbledore Vs Gandalf ~ Debate Thread ~ by bolakale30(m): 6:34pm On Jan 20, 2013
Muggle reppleto ! Muffliato !
|Re: Dumbledore Vs Gandalf ~ Debate Thread ~ by Mynd44: 6:40pm On Jan 20, 2013
|Re: Dumbledore Vs Gandalf ~ Debate Thread ~ by Nobody: 6:47pm On Jan 20, 2013
bolakale30: am here nauPls sir,go ahead and present your case...
|Re: Dumbledore Vs Gandalf ~ Debate Thread ~ by bolakale30(m): 7:01pm On Jan 20, 2013
binger:[color=#000099]as ur lordship pleases [quote author=binger]
|Re: Dumbledore Vs Gandalf ~ Debate Thread ~ by bolakale30(m): 7:06pm On Jan 20, 2013
good evening sagacious panel of judges, fellow Nairalanders, and my co-debaters.... I don't think I really need to introduce Dumbledore again, as our amiable facilitator has already done that,hence, I will post my points 4rm a point of view of a duel btw Dumbledore and Gandalf,
think "avada kedavra" and, without moving a muscle
or having a wand anywhere near him, he would
instantly kill gandalf. Unforgivable curses needn't be
spoken, bellatrix lestrange used it on a fox without
saying a word (HP 6- harry potter and the half blood prince)
To all of you who think dumbledore needs a wand,
you are incorrect. He can perform spells both non-
verbally and wandlessly. We've seen an example of
the latter when Harry fell off his broomstick and
albus merely said "arresto momento" and stopped
Harry from hitting the ground (HP 3, harry potter and the prisoner of Askaban)
If by the virtue of his immortality, Gandalf refuses to die, a non-verbal (element of surprise) full body binding curse "petrificus totalus" will incapacitate him, Dumbledore can hence summon a dementor to inflict the dementor's kiss on him..... Lobatan, fait accomplish ! And if u haven't forgotten, Dumbledore wields the only unbeatable wand "the elder's wand" which makes the wielder "invisible", a prize he wrestled 4rm the most dangerous dark wizard (long b4 the advent of Voldemolt) Grindelwap. Narcissus Malfoy in HP 6 admitted that Dumbledore is the only person the Dark Lord never seeks a fight with. Dumbledore could have made himself immortal with any of; the deathly hallows, the philosopher stone or even a horcrux... The final straw that breaks the camel's back is Dumbledore's ability to apparate(teleport) a feat Gandalf never managed as he had to communicate with a moth to fetch his eagle after being trapped on a tower. With this, even 4 all Gandalf's magical skills, Dumbledore can apparate behind him to inflict the blow.... Peace !
|Re: Dumbledore Vs Gandalf ~ Debate Thread ~ by Nobody: 7:16pm On Jan 20, 2013
Yeah, dumbledore rules,gandalf sucks.
|Re: Dumbledore Vs Gandalf ~ Debate Thread ~ by ijebabe: 7:18pm On Jan 20, 2013
Red Moss, ur up!
|Re: Dumbledore Vs Gandalf ~ Debate Thread ~ by Redmosquito(m): 7:19pm On Jan 20, 2013
**Runs out of housefellowship.**
I'm here! Please gimme some few minutes!
|Re: Dumbledore Vs Gandalf ~ Debate Thread ~ by ijebabe: 7:22pm On Jan 20, 2013
I thank my judges for being around to ensure the smooth running of this debate!
|Re: Dumbledore Vs Gandalf ~ Debate Thread ~ by Nobody: 7:27pm On Jan 20, 2013
|Re: Dumbledore Vs Gandalf ~ Debate Thread ~ by Mynd44: 7:35pm On Jan 20, 2013
I hope this place does not get too crowded too quickly
|Re: Dumbledore Vs Gandalf ~ Debate Thread ~ by ijebabe: 7:36pm On Jan 20, 2013
Better than nothing.
|Re: Dumbledore Vs Gandalf ~ Debate Thread ~ by movmentish(m): 8:00pm On Jan 20, 2013
Bolakale30 you are my hero......stewpid gandalf
|Re: Dumbledore Vs Gandalf ~ Debate Thread ~ by SIRcumalot: 8:05pm On Jan 20, 2013
Dumbledore sucks,gandalf rules.
|Re: Dumbledore Vs Gandalf ~ Debate Thread ~ by ijebabe: 8:07pm On Jan 20, 2013
Red Moss needs to be flogged
|Re: Dumbledore Vs Gandalf ~ Debate Thread ~ by Nobody: 8:08pm On Jan 20, 2013
I'm quite busy...I will be back.
Note: no dashing scores this time :|. I will be very critical! If you get upto ten, you must bw really good
|Re: Dumbledore Vs Gandalf ~ Debate Thread ~ by bolakale30(m): 8:09pm On Jan 20, 2013
movmentish: Bolakale30 you are my hero......stewpid gandalf****bows*** am honored
|Re: Dumbledore Vs Gandalf ~ Debate Thread ~ by Nobody: 8:11pm On Jan 20, 2013
May an invisible hand slap RedMoss where ever he is!!
|Re: Dumbledore Vs Gandalf ~ Debate Thread ~ by Mynd44: 8:13pm On Jan 20, 2013
Where the heck is Red Moss?
|Re: Dumbledore Vs Gandalf ~ Debate Thread ~ by Redmosquito(m): 8:18pm On Jan 20, 2013
Let me show you guys the power of Gandalf
Gandalf is a maiar! A lesser god! He has lived for over two thousand years on earth! He has defeated the the shadow beast, guys who watched the movie can see where he did so. The truth is that Gandalf holds power of unquantifiable measure. But he is forbidden to use it, he is not only forbidden to use it but he has also been caged in the body of an old man in order to limit his great abilities.
Destructive BlastFrom tolkien LOTR WIKI
Gandalf has also shown great superiority over Saruman. ALthough he was beaten in one encounter but Saruman later became afraid of Gandalf's rise, especailly when he returned as Gandalf the white
Although Saruman was at first more powerful, was more knowledgeable about many matters regarding Sauron and the Rings of Power, and was head of the White Council before the War of the Ring, he later grew jealous and afraid of Gandalf's power and knowledge.From LOTR WIKI
Again remind you thet saruman grew afraid of Gandalf. Below is a pic of one of the many Saruman's Abilities, and yet he is afraid of Gandalf's true power.
Saruman literally surmouned this storm with only his hands stretched to the sky. His physically body was severly weakened after the encounter, but he still showed great power on that. If Gandalf be killed, the Valar will just send him back and make him stronger. He is a worthy godling in their eyes.
Gandalf pursued the Balrog for eight days until they climbed to the peak of Zirakzigil. Here they fought for two days and nights. In the end, the Balrog was cast down and broke the mountainside with its fall and perished in the process. Gandalf himself later died from this ordeal, and his body lay on the peak while his spirit travelled outside of time.From Wikipedia Gandalf
Gandalf and the Balrog fell for a long time, and Gandalf was burned by the Balrog's fire. Then they plunged into water at the bottom, which Gandalf later said was cold as the tide of death and almost froze his heart. There they fought until the Balrog fled into dark tunnels, where the world is gnawed by nameless things, older even then Sauron. Gandalf pursued the creature until it led him to the spiraling Endless Stair, and they climbed it until they reached Durin's Tower in the living rock of Zirakzigil, the pinnacle of the Silvertine above the clouds. There they fought until at last Gandalf threw down his enemy, and Balrog broke the mountain-side as it fell. Then darkness took Gandalf, and he passed away. His body lay on the peak. The entire battle, from the confrontation on the Bridge of Khazad-dûm to the mutual demise of the Balrog and Gandalf, had taken eight days.From TLOTR Wiki
Gandalf is abeing of great power. See how he fought the Balrog(the shadow beast). He used both spells and weapons. The balrog too is a godling, like Gandalf, but it was corrupted by morgoth, the god of evil. The balrogs too know of spells and all, and best of all. They have great strength
Balrogs are tall and menacing with the ability to shroud themselves in fire, darkness, and shadow. They frequently appeared armed with fiery whips "of many thongs", and occasionally used long swords. They could not be casually destroyed—immense power was required.From Wikipedia- Balrog
The Balrogs were originally Maiar (and therefore also Ainur), of the same order as Sauron and Gandalf, but they became seduced by Melkor, who corrupted them to his service in the days of his splendour before the creation of Arda.From TLOR WIKI
From what we can see here, balrogs are maiars whose physical weak body of Old men has been removed. They now have the ability to display their full strength. The strength of gods. And yet Gandalf still defeated him even while bound my flesh of mortals and fear of death.
See what Dumbledore displays
When he found the Horcrux, a ring formerly owned by Marvolo Gaunt, he saw that the stone in the ring was one of the Deathly Hallows, the Resurrection Stone. This stone, according to legend, had the power to revive the dead (but in reality, a spiritual form of the person was brought back instead). His desire to see his family overrode his common sense for just a moment and he placed the ring on his finger, forgetting that the ring had been cursed onbyVoldemort. The curse quickly spread, and were it not for his own prodigious talents, he would have died within moments. Despite this injury, Dumbledore proceeded to destroy the ring, and with it, a piece of Voldemort's soul.From Harry potter Wiki
It was this injury that caused his death, no matter how u see it. It was this feat of ........... Need I say more?
Who does this? You are in the battle field and you let ur emotions rule you? So Gandalf can easily summon one of his family and Dumbledore will be busy getting engorged in the whole experience of seeing his dead relative. And Gandalf will just come up behiind and clear hm with his sword
Lemme show u how it may go between Gandalf and Dumbledore
Dumbledore casts a spell, Gandalf pushes it aside with his staff ( a move he has displayed before an act of defence against spells)
Gandalf will rise to his full height, over eight feet by the way, he may ask his Valar for forgiveness (one of the twelve gods that sang the song of the universe)
And he will wreak immense destruction on the whole of his space. More than a million square foot crater. He can sacrifice himself in the process, but who cares. He will just be reborn. Dumbledore wont be so lucky, he would have being distracted by a vision of his sister or mother.
You call Dumbledore a wizard, Gandalf is more than a wizard. He's a god, he's swordsman. He's a warrior. Dumbleodore does not even know how to weild a table knife
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