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Re: Is It True That The Man Christ Is Not God? by Boomark(m): 9:43pm On Dec 08, 2013 |
Bidam: No one is confused here except you and the JW's. |
Re: Is It True That The Man Christ Is Not God? by Boomark(m): 9:45pm On Dec 08, 2013 |
Bidam: No one is confused here except you and the JW's.make i expose your lies and confusion. :p You are the one who is looking and never seeing. I see God the Son very much in agreement with God the father. God the Son is the visible and tangible REALITY of God the Father cos no Man has seen or can see God.Lies and confusion and 'dodgenalism'. You for tell us how many persons spoke through the prophets and through Jesus, make we see how it supports trinity instead of making out of context comments. Son of God was never called God the Son by those who knew him better than you. That is man made abi Bidam made. I love scripture because they are in perfect harmony,scripture interpret scripture and no prophecy of scripture is in isolation and of PRIVATE interpretation. The same God( Phil 2:6) who took the form of a servant(Phil 2:7) also took the form of a prophet, Apostle and a High priest( heb 3:1)...so no be today we see am for bible. This man dodged Acts 3:13 because he is not honest. The God of all our ancestors na how many persons? I believe trinitarians should read the Old testament again before suggesting that God CHANGED into 3 persons in new testament. As for the Philippians you quoted, read Phil 2:5. Can you boldly tell us if he had the glory he was given in v9 before he became flesh? As far is this doctrine is concerned, it is not subject to the whims and cunningly devise fables of your Jw organization. Rev 3:12 makes it even more clearer. A Son cannot be greater than is Father. A Son is as much equal and eternal just as His Father is. Hahaha! My stronghold. I know you will always denounce trinity or make it weak when it come to Rev 3:12. At least you have confessed that the Father is the Almighty, greater than all. Even as all power was given to our Lord Jesus. You are changing. Am very happy for you, but you are still very much confused. "A Son cannot be greater than is Father. A Son is as much equal Did you notice your confusion up there? Trinity is one of the things you have to leave for the catholic. Do you another of my stronghold? It is about the GODHEAD. This one is another no-go-area for trinitarians. SMH!!! |
Re: Is It True That The Man Christ Is Not God? by Nobody: 9:48pm On Dec 08, 2013 |
Boomark: make i expose your lies and confusion. :pNo confusion and lie here oga...We do not interpret scripture using human wisdom but by the help of the Holy Spirit...comparing scripture with scripture.Actually He is God the Son.Isaiah said so: For unto us a child is born, unto us a SON is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.Isaiah 9:6 This man dodged Acts 3:13 because he is not honest. The God of all our ancestors na how many persons? I believe trinitarians should read the Old testament again before suggesting that God CHANGED into 3 persons in new testament. As for the Philippians you quoted, read Phil 2:5. Can you boldly tell us if he had the glory he was given in v9 before he became flesh?Christ was always there concealed in the old and revealed in the new.It ain't my fault if JW's can't see HIM.It might do you good to look at Paul's statement i quoted once again which are in perfect harmony with peter's.Except you are telling us Paul is a liar here. And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.1 Corinthians 10:4. OT scripture refer to this ROCK as God. "Thou art my Father, my God, and the Rock of my salvation." (Psalm 89:26 RSV) "There is none Holy like The Lord, there is none besides Thee; there is no Rock like our God." (1 Samuel 2:2 RSV) Hahaha! My stronghold. I know you will always denounce trinity or make it weak when it come to Rev 3:12. At least you have confessed that the Father is the Almighty, greater than all. Even as all power was given to our Lord Jesus. You are changing. Am very happy for you, but you are still very much confused.Me denounce trinity which is the foundation of my belief.Are you sic?,can you show me where my statement denounce trinity or make it weak This is your false assumption not mine. I never said such above. I said the son is co-equal and co-eternal with the father. If e like make e pain you. "A Son cannot be greater than is Father. A Son is as much equalHmmn..i can see you trying hard to strike out an eternal scriptural truth. Did you notice your confusion up there?Rather, you are the one confused here pal, You need to take more bible lessons. |
Re: Is It True That The Man Christ Is Not God? by Boomark(m): 10:34pm On Dec 08, 2013 |
^Ok. |
Re: Is It True That The Man Christ Is Not God? by Nobody: 10:38pm On Dec 08, 2013 |
even the title of this thread is a misnomer. "Is It True That The Man Christ Is Not God" - actually yes, it is true that the MAN Christ is not GOD. |
Re: Is It True That The Man Christ Is Not God? by Nobody: 11:17pm On Dec 08, 2013 |
Hosea 11:9 ...For I am God , and not man... Numbers 23:19 God is not a man , that he should lie, nor a son of man… |
Re: Is It True That The Man Christ Is Not God? by Nobody: 11:30pm On Dec 08, 2013 |
frosbel: Hosea 11:9 ...For I am God , and not man...The word(God) became flesh. You can't beat that scripture, no matter your twists and turns. |
Re: Is It True That The Man Christ Is Not God? by Freksy(m): 11:41pm On Dec 08, 2013 |
Bidam: The word(God) became flesh. No scripture says the almighty became flesh. 1 Like |
Re: Is It True That The Man Christ Is Not God? by Nobody: 11:56pm On Dec 08, 2013 |
Freksy:Stick to what i said.Don't misquote me.I said the Word(God) John 1 became flesh.14. |
Re: Is It True That The Man Christ Is Not God? by Freksy(m): 12:25am On Dec 09, 2013 |
Bidam: Stick to what i said.Don't misquote me.I said the Word(God) John 1 became flesh.14. "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth". John 1:14 "And the word was made flesh,..." The word is the only begotten son of the almighty God. There is no doubt that he was made flesh. Is that the proof of the son's almightiness? |
Re: Is It True That The Man Christ Is Not God? by Nobody: 12:32am On Dec 09, 2013 |
Bidam: The word(God) became flesh. One scripture taken out of context Check out John 1v14 and the hundreds of scripture that refer to Jesus as a MAN and God as God. And btw, show me where John 1v1 even remotely suggests that God is 3. It is clear ; God is not a MAN , Jesus was and is a MAN. smh. |
Re: Is It True That The Man Christ Is Not God? by Gombs(m): 2:20am On Dec 09, 2013 |
JWs oooo! 1 Like |
Re: Is It True That The Man Christ Is Not God? by Nobody: 6:55am On Dec 09, 2013 |
Gombs: JWs oooo!Don't mind them. They omitted THE WORD WAS GOD |
Re: Is It True That The Man Christ Is Not God? by Gombs(m): 7:48am On Dec 09, 2013 |
Bidam: Don't mind them. They omitted THE WORD WAS GOD That John 1v1 in the NWT... Na that one pain me pass, of all the remixing of the bible they did, na John 1v1 pain me pass. |
Re: Is It True That The Man Christ Is Not God? by Nobody: 7:54am On Dec 09, 2013 |
Gombs:Bro...make e no pain you joor..You know the truth and you also know that the devil's ministry is to steal and make the word of God of no effect.We are not ignorant of his schemes,devices and manipulations. God help us. |
Re: Is It True That The Man Christ Is Not God? by Gombs(m): 8:44am On Dec 09, 2013 |
^^ Amen bro |
Re: Is It True That The Man Christ Is Not God? by Boomark(m): 11:55am On Dec 09, 2013 |
Bidam: No confusion and lie here oga...We do not interpret scripture using human wisdom but by the help of the Holy Spirit...comparing scripture with scripture.Actually He is God the Son.Isaiah said so: What you believe in lacks cohesion. I want to see where you got "God the Son." I hope you believe Mary is the "mother of God," Joseph, "father of God," Heli, Grandfather of God? How many persons are in that God? The word "God" is a title/name. At least you said it yourself that the Almighty God(the Father) is greater than the Mighty God(Son). The spirit knows and understands English, men don't. Christ was always there concealed in the old and revealed in the new.It ain't my fault if JW's can't see HIM.It might do you good to look at Paul's statement i quoted once again which are in perfect harmony with peter's.Except you are telling us Paul is a liar here.I hate it when i ask, "what is the colour of an Elephant?" and someone will start telling me, "the colour of a 'Nama' is white, it has elephant's tail..." I hate dishonesty. Let me ask again, when he was the Rock mass, 1Cor 10:4, did he possess the glory and exaltation he was give in Phil 2:9-10? Or are you saying, the glory of our God was very low then. Me denounce trinity which is the foundation of my belief.Are you sic?,can you show me where my statement denounce trinity or make it weak This is your false assumption not mine. I never said such above. I said the son is co-equal and co-eternal with the father. If e like make e pain you. You don't even understand the definition of trinity. You cannot say the Father GREATER than the Son and still add that the Son is CO-EQUAL AND co-eternal with the Father. Co-Equal in what way? Don't you know that all things came from the Father. The word and even the breath(spirit) in me? Does that make me His equal or co-equal with him? You need to dump everything you know and start afresh with us. |
Re: Is It True That The Man Christ Is Not God? by Nobody: 12:15pm On Dec 09, 2013 |
Boomark:I never said the bold, you implied it. I hate it when i ask, "what is the colour of an Elephant?" and someone will start telling me, "the colour of a 'Nama' is white, it has elephant's tail..." I hate dishonesty. Let me ask again, when he was the Rock mass, 1Cor 10:4, did he possess the glory and exaltation he was give in Phil 2:9-10? Or are you saying, the glory of our God was very low.Ofcos the devil hates truth, it is no surprise you hate truth. You don't even understand the definition of trinity. You cannot say the Father GREATER than the Son and still add that the Son is CO-EQUAL AND co-eternal with the Father. Co-Equal in what way? Don't you know that all things came from the Father. The word and even the breath(spirit) in me? Does that make me His equal or co-equal with him? You need to dump everything you know and start afresh with us.Ofcos i do. This is what the Trinity means in short form 1. God is One 2. The Father is God 3. The Son is God 4. The Holy Spirit is God 5. The Father is not the Son 6. The Father is not the Holy Spirit 7. The Son is not the Father 8. The Son is not the Holy Spirit 9. The Holy Spirit is not the Son 10. The Holy Spirit is not the Father 11. God is one being and three persons. |
Re: Is It True That The Man Christ Is Not God? by Nobody: 12:19pm On Dec 09, 2013 |
Singing...My favorite song Holy, holy, holy! Lord God Almighty! Early in the morning our song shall rise to Thee; Holy, holy, holy, merciful and mighty! God in three Persons, blessèd Trinity! Holy, holy, holy! All the saints adore Thee, Casting down their golden crowns around the glassy sea; Cherubim and seraphim falling down before Thee, Who was, and is, and evermore shall be. Holy, holy, holy! though the darkness hide Thee, Though the eye of sinful man Thy glory may not see; Only Thou art holy; there is none beside Thee, Perfect in power, in love, and purity. Holy, holy, holy! Lord God Almighty! All Thy works shall praise Thy Name, in earth, and sky, and sea; Holy, holy, holy; merciful and mighty! God in three Persons, blessèd Trinity! 1 Like |
Re: Is It True That The Man Christ Is Not God? by Gombs(m): 1:22pm On Dec 09, 2013 |
Bidam: Singing...My favorite song Humming along bro! Those good old day we sang it in Anglican church in the children church/sunday sch 2 Likes |
Re: Is It True That The Man Christ Is Not God? by Boomark(m): 1:58pm On Dec 09, 2013 |
Bidam: I never said the bold, you implied it. hahaha! E be like you don dey run as i expected? Are you now denying that you said, "A Son can never be greater than the Father?" Are they Co-equal in what sense? In all things? The Catholics invented "God the Son," Mary is the mother of God. Heli should be the grand father of God, David is the great great grand father of God. You must accept it all, unless you don't understand what you believe in. I can see 2, 3, 4,= 3 different Gods= 1 God(may be 1 name ). Go and answer my questions in my previous post cos i now want to know how i hate the truth. You Must answer my questions and I, yours, truthfully, step by step or you Must count yourself an ally of the devil. That song will not ease the tension. "God in 3 person" was composed by men. It is not found in the scripture. Answer my questions. |
Re: Is It True That The Man Christ Is Not God? by Nobody: 4:17pm On Dec 09, 2013 |
Boomark:I said a son cannot. You are trying to hard to infer what i never said. moreso it was a role Jesus agreed and humbly took while on earth. He was the Word(God) in Heaven and He is equal with God. Yes in all things. The Catholics invented "God the Son," Mary is the mother of God. Heli should be the grand father of God, David is the great great grand father of God. You must accept it all, unless you don't understand what you believe in.God the Son is in scripture. Deal with Isaiah 9:6 I can see 2, 3, 4,= 3 different Gods= 1 God(may be 1 name ).I challenge you to produce any bible verse/verses that refutes the above statements i made. Go and answer my questions in my previous post cos i now want to know how i hate the truth. You Must answer my questions and I, yours, truthfully, step by step or you Must count yourself an ally of the devil.I already did, may be you were to blind to see it. That song will not ease the tension. "God in 3 person" was composed by men. It is not found in the scripture. Answer my questions.If the song dey pain you, sorry there is nothing you can do about it than to join me. |
Re: Is It True That The Man Christ Is Not God? by Boomark(m): 10:22pm On Dec 09, 2013 |
^^ I hate it when i ask, "what is the blind bidam number 1. You did not answer this bolded question. I will pick other ones after this one. Don't give an irrelevant Answer, Please. I want to learn. |
Re: Is It True That The Man Christ Is Not God? by Nobody: 10:35pm On Dec 09, 2013 |
^^^ Arguing with the blind is a waste of time, what he needs first is the true Light that illuminates the human heart with the truth. 1 Like |
Re: Is It True That The Man Christ Is Not God? by Nobody: 6:36am On Dec 10, 2013 |
Boomark: ^^I did answer. You were blind to see it. I said it was a role Jesus as God the SON, WHO IS THE WORD OF GOD IN HEAVEN gladly volunteered to do. ALL(FATHER,SON,HOLY GHOST) are co-equal and co-eternal. |
Re: Is It True That The Man Christ Is Not God? by Nobody: 6:40am On Dec 10, 2013 |
frosbel: ^^^Blind barthimeous again. after leaving so many trinity threads with unanswered questions posed to you.You are coming here to show yourself. Do you want me to lay out those questions, you left unaswered here. |
Re: Is It True That The Man Christ Is Not God? by Boomark(m): 9:39pm On Dec 10, 2013 |
Bidam: I did answer. You were blind to see it. I said it was a role Jesus as God the SON, WHO IS THE WORD OF GOD IN HEAVEN gladly volunteered to do. ALL(FATHER,SON,HOLY GHOST) are co-equal and co-eternal. Chei!! This man is blindly blinded. Smh!!! Ok bidam. Before "God the SON, WHO IS THE WORD OF GOD IN HEAVEN gladly volunteered to take up that role" did he possess the glory and exaltation he was give in Phil 2:9-10? Or are you saying, the glory of our God was very low then? I hope you know the answer to my question is not "co-equal". And stop behaving as you no longer understand English. Please answer the bolded question. 2 Likes |
Re: Is It True That The Man Christ Is Not God? by Nobody: 9:55pm On Dec 10, 2013 |
Boomark:ever learning but never able to come to the knowledge of the truth that is who you are...Yes Christ possess all.Any objections? |
Re: Is It True That The Man Christ Is Not God? by Nobody: 10:19pm On Dec 10, 2013 |
Jesus Christ: The Man 1 Like |
Re: Is It True That The Man Christ Is Not God? by Nobody: 10:20pm On Dec 10, 2013 |
^^^ Only the blind will fail to see the Truth about Jesus who was a 100% human being. |
Re: Is It True That The Man Christ Is Not God? by Boomark(m): 12:05am On Dec 11, 2013 |
Bidam: ever learning but never able to come to the knowledge of the truth that is who you are...Yes Christ possess all.Any objections? It now very obvious that you are blind. This is not the same as someone who does not know but wants to know. You don't know the meaning of his exaltation. Acts 2:36 New Living Translation "So let everyone in Israel know for certain that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, to be both Lord and Messiah!" Is this not exaltation? Was he ever Lord and Messiah BEFORE he was MADE Lord and Messiah by God? Bidam will blindly say Yes. Before he conquered and sat down at the right hand of the Father, Rev 3:21, 1. were all powers and authority subject to him? 1Cor 15:27-28, Eph 1:21-22. 2. Did he have a more excellent name than the angels? Heb 1:4. The lifting of slaves to children is not a mere naming ceremony, it is exaltation and it brings additional glory to us, Rom 8:21. The same thing with becoming the Son of God, Hebrew 1:5. You reduced his exaltation by God to merely going back to take up what he already has which he left in heaven. That is not exaltation. I wonder which kind spirit is behind your reasoning? 1 Like |
Re: Is It True That The Man Christ Is Not God? by Nobody: 6:37am On Dec 11, 2013 |
[quote author=frosbel][/quote] He(God) came to the earth as a MAN.scriptures records God was made manifest in the flesh. 1 Tim.3:16 “God was manifested in the flesh”(man) (appeared in) 1 Jn.4:2; 2 Jn. 7 “came in the flesh.” 1 Jn.1:2: For “the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us.” You can't break scripture oga..na u blind no be me. |
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