skyfall:

I'll give you the honor. Start thinking of the doctrines in your religion which breeds intolerance & potentially threatens world peace. Those would be expunged first. Definitely not limited to Islam. This has to be done for any religion or ideology which hurts the cause of humanity.

maclatunji:

Islam is perfect as it is, people outside the religion have been attempting what you are trying and failed woefully. Tell me the perfect system or ideology you think will bring "World Peace".

skyfall:

If people outside have tried and failed maybe it's time for people inside to try. And sorry, Islam is not perfect as it is, or at least as being practiced by a lot of Muslims. That's just a fantasy. I know it's scary to contemplate doing something like editing the Quran but that won't be necessary. Muslims' attitude is the first thing they need to change. If 2 people are reading the same book and one is an intolerant extremist while the other is the direct opposite, then there is a state of mind and level of understanding the latter is in which the former needs to be. If all Muslims are like the latter Islam will stop having problems with the world.

maclatunji:

Finally, someone is thinking.

skyfall:

I'll give you the honor. Start thinking of the doctrines in your religion which breeds intolerance & potentially threatens world peace. Those would be expunged first. Definitely not limited to Islam. This has to be done for any religion or ideology which hurts the cause of humanity.

lordnoah:

U need 2 wake up n face d reality on ground, bt bin brainwashed by d d western propagandas. Iran doesn't need any nuclear weapon to stand against any western bully. America, isreal, etc dt av nuclear weapons of mass destruction against humanity...r dey saints? Or wat do dey wnt to use it 4? We r both pointing a gun at each oda n u askd me to drop mine 4 peace, if u r sincere, y nt drop urs 1st. Oda countries nid to stand up against d devilish western bullies. America dt predicted d brk up of nigeria in 2015, dnt u tink dey r workn towards making it hapen tru d faceless bokoharam 4 naija oil? Iran hs no interest in nigeria 4 wateva reason, stop bin brainwashd by western propaganda.

solomon111: I have never seen a country as paranoid as the US.
Why won't they be?
When they 've stepped on so many toes.

tpia@:


well, i see your point but it can be a fine line sometimes.

however, his endorsement by logicboy would make him seem rather suspect, just saying.

although it doesnt really take from what he was trying to say with the other topic.

however, on nl, its always wiser to assume a poster has an agenda, and might not be who they say they are.

skyfall: @BetaThings

Your argument may be good enough for ignorant people who don't know history of the world and religions, but you're not discussing with such people here. Your points still can't erase the fact that a lot of people carry out violent and unjustifiable crimes in the name of Islam, and they're even ready to do worse if only they had the chance(can you imagine someone like Ayman Al-Zawahiri laying hands on a nuclear bomb today?) And badly enough, they use Quranic verses and Hadith to justify these evil acts. And please don't tell me they're not Muslims. As a matter of fact, they're many Muslims' role models.

You cite instances of wars & conflicts which are caused by failures of man-made systems, and then use that to compare, justify & dismiss evils committed by people who're supposed to be following a divine way of life which ought to be infallible. I know you're passionate about your religion and you expect it to be perfect. But sadly, it's not perfect. That's a fact which every follower of every religion has to accept sooner or later. Failure to do this is just living in denial. There is no way you can be a 100% religious believer/follower, and then still be a reasonable and peace-loving human being who just wants to "live & let live." It's simply not possible, and this is not just theory. The facts are all around us, both in history and today.

BetaThings:

Please mention one knowledgeable group (just one) who put Muslim Terrorists at the top of their global threat assessment list
It never pays to ignore reality because of the hatred of a religion
So a nuclear bomb will be a toy in the hands of the Norwegian terrorist, Breivik? Or his associates in Poland who wanted to murder government officials or the David Koresh and his suicidal band
Even Sri Lankans who faced the Tamil Tigers would not agree with you

So failure of man-made systems make evil and death less painful? The victims of Hiroshima and Nagasaki disagree
Today the Americans fear a nuclear-armed foe, whatever his motivation even if from Mars

If your religion or atheism is not perfect, you can continue working on it. Even Americans now admit that the meddling in Iraq has made the ME less safe

Islam is perfect. We only need to explain it to cut the blood flow of new members to the extremists who never on their own commit suicide. You would like to upset the 99% of Muslims who abhor violence in order to take curtail the actions of the extremist 1%. That has never worked and will never
Much is to be learnt from History. Your "ideal" muslim country of UAE proves that eloquently

MacDaddy01:


Yawn. Where is Justaqad to handle Betathings?

justaqad:



why u de call me na?
you wan make my fellow muslims brand me hypocrite again?

MacDaddy01:


Anyone that calls you a munafiqh because I praised you is wrong.

Guilt by association is wrong.


The real munafiqh are not steady in their deen and that is why they are afraid of having atheist pals online!

justaqad:

Bitterthing is something else...

skyfall: I find it laughable when people say oh...this religion is perfect. Damn it, no religion is perfect! This is a propaganda which we were all taught as kids. A lot of their ideologies were probably useful in the old ages but most can't stand the test of time, and that's why there's so much conflict between religions and modernization/technological advancement. The only consolation is that technology is helping people reason. I know that no ideology is perfect but they should all be subject to constant improvements.

BetaThings:
To you, your ideas
To me, my beliefs

So you cannot deny me my right to hold on to what I believe in. Arguing that I must reform, I must reform holds is not binding
I don't come over to your own domain and insist that you must live your live as I want it

MacDaddy01:

lol.....yo sound like someone who knows that he is wrong. "it is my belief and I like it"


No one is forcing you to change our beliefs. Your beliefs are just illogical and that is what he is telling you. Everyone is free to believe what they waant. Howeer, in a public forum, yu cant expect people to treat your beliefs with gloves

BetaThings:

Hahahaha. Gloves!!! This is a discussion forum. So you can dish out the criticism. But no matter what you say or write,# I know what I know. When I discuss Islam, I am explaining my understanding to people, learning about the religion of others. But I never require validation from non-muslims.
Maybe it is illogical to you. To me it is not. And I really don't set so much store by the thinking of atheists