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"Religion Has No Place In The 21st Century"-Cambridge Debate-Dawkins vs.Williams by mantraa: 11:51am On Feb 11, 2013
The same people who brought their religion to us Africans are now debating whether it is all illogical, irrational and unnecessary. The most peaceful and successful and fairest counties in the world abandon beliefs in the supernatural to move forward.
Please Watch the debate with an open mind, and try to understand both sides of it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XpEjVlPFrs
Re: "Religion Has No Place In The 21st Century"-Cambridge Debate-Dawkins vs.Williams by SNCOQ3(m): 7:04pm On Feb 11, 2013
mantraa: The same people who brought their religion to us Africans are now debating whether it is all illogical, irrational and unnecessary. The most peaceful and successful and fairest counties in the world abandon beliefs in the supernatural to move forward.
Please Watch the debate with an open mind, and try to understand both sides of it.

I watched the debate with an open mind. Dawkins made himself look like an Anti-God occultist with a special mission to deceive. Even his fellow atheist were embarrassed for him. Anyway the debate ended with a vote in favour of religion by 324 versus 138.
Atheism has no future; please lets move forward.


Richard Dawkins faced defeat in yesterday's Cambridge Union debate against Rowan Williams, the former Archbishop of Canterbury and current new Master of Magdalene College, as Cambridge students voted 324 versus 138 against the motion of 'This House Believes Religion has no place in the 21st Century' in the most high-profile debate staged at the Union so far this term.....
http://www.tcs.cam.ac.uk/issue/news/dawkins-defeated-in-cambridge-union-religion-debate/
Re: "Religion Has No Place In The 21st Century"-Cambridge Debate-Dawkins vs.Williams by ooman(m): 7:15pm On Feb 11, 2013
Richard Dawkins was only VOTED AGAINST because the audience was filled with BRAINWASHED XTIANS. According to the report, many people were turned away
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Students queued outside the Union from as early as 3 hours before the starting time of the debate, with many being turned away due to capacity limitations - around 800 people filled the building.[/i:




Most intelligent people werent allowed inside the room, only the gullible ones and even some abstained from voting.

DAWKINS WAS NOT DEFEATED, HE WAS CHEATED

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Re: "Religion Has No Place In The 21st Century"-Cambridge Debate-Dawkins vs.Williams by Enigma(m): 7:19pm On Feb 11, 2013
SNCOQ3:

I watched the debate with an open mind. Dawkins made himself look like an Anti-God occultist with a special mission to deceive. Even his fellow atheist were embarrassed for him. Anyway the debate ended with a vote in favour of religion by 324 versus 138.
Atheism has no future; please lets move forward.


Some of the "arguments" made by Dawkins were the same juvenile stuff we are now used to hearing and some being similar to the unthinking rants that we read on Nairaland everyday.

In one of the reports even a second year student pointed this out effectively saying that Dawkins did not address the real issue.

And for all we hear about religion being dead, its 'decline' etc etc, the supposed 'future leaders and elite' of the UK still voted overwhelmingly that it has a place in the 21st century.

Anyway, Christians don't need such debate or a positive vote or a win for Williams over a dunce like Dawkins to trust in the Saviour of Mankind, the Wisdom Unsearchable, Love Indestructible, the Lord of Eternity.

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Re: "Religion Has No Place In The 21st Century"-Cambridge Debate-Dawkins vs.Williams by Nobody: 7:31pm On Feb 11, 2013
Enigma:


Some of the "arguments" made by Dawkins were the same juvenile stuff we are now used to hearing and some being similar to the unthinking rants that we read on Nairaland everyday.

In one of the reports even a second year student pointed this out effectively saying that Dawkins did not address the real issue.

And for all we hear about religion being dead, its 'decline' etc etc, the supposed 'future leaders and elite' of the UK still voted overwhelmingly that it has a place in the 21st century.

Anyway, Christians don't need such debate or a positive vote or a win for Williams over a dunce like Dawkins to trust in the Saviour of Mankind, the Wisdom Unsearchable, Love Indestructible, the Lord of Eternity.

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Yet another christian calling Dawkins a dunce.


The arrogance and foolishness of some christians amaze me. You are not as educated as Dawkins, you have not contributd to science the way he has, you have not contributed to teaching/lecturing the way he has.....yet you have the nerve to call him a dunce?

Dawkins might not be the best debater because he is a rigid lecturer but his points are clear as crystal. It is one thing to claim that he lost the debate but another to say that he is a dunce.

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Re: "Religion Has No Place In The 21st Century"-Cambridge Debate-Dawkins vs.Williams by mantraa: 8:28pm On Feb 11, 2013
Some of the "arguments" made by Dawkins were the same juvenile stuff we are now used to hearing and some being similar to the unthinking rants that we read on Nairaland everyday.

Please elaborate on which of the parts of professor Dawkins arguments you consider juvenile?
When he asked why a god who has created this planet, the sun, the milky way galaxy, and billions of other galaxies, stars and planets would be interested in who you sleep with? Is that a juvenile question? and what would be your logical answer?
Or when he talks about the mechanics of the eye. If the eye was created by a god, surely god would need to see what he was doing so he would need to have eyes himself, and an intelligent brain to process the information. His arguments encourage you to think things through.
so does god have eyes? and a brain? and lungs to feed oxygen to them? and a body to house them in? before he created this earth and oxygen, and the universe?
Think about it. Evolutionary biology makes much more sense.

In one of the reports even a second year student pointed this out effectively saying that Dawkins did not address the real issue.

The debate topic is about the relevance of religion in the 21st century. As a scientist Dawkins prefers the scientific methods of observation, evidence and testing as opposed to irrational superstitions and bronze age religious writings.


And for all we hear about religion being dead, its 'decline' etc etc, the supposed 'future leaders and elite' of the UK still voted overwhelmingly that it has a place in the 21st century.


A vote was not taken before the debate, so it is impossible to know the views of the audience before and how many people were swayed by the arguments of either side.


Anyway, Christians don't need such debate or a positive vote or a win for Williams over a dunce like Dawkins to trust in the Saviour of Mankind, the Wisdom Unsearchable, Love Indestructible, the Lord of Eternity.

Now your just being silly. Calling Dawkins a dunce because you dont understand evolutionary biology and thinking that Jesus is going to save you from death betrays your juvenile thinking. Cant you understand that your religion is from a book written by bronze age men without the understanding of the world and universe that we have today.

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Re: "Religion Has No Place In The 21st Century"-Cambridge Debate-Dawkins vs.Williams by Enigma(m): 8:34pm On Feb 11, 2013
^^^ As I have said repeatedly and for years on this forum, Dawkins is and remains a theological and philosophical dunce for all his achievements elsewhere.

Even talking about science, what is his major contribution ---- other than literature and "public understanding of science"?

Anyway it is not just me, he is widely known as a philosophical dunce. Below is one example from a person who is not even a Christian; nuff said.

Previously posted here https://www.nairaland.com/298119/30-keys-being-effective-atheist/4#9584483

Per Terry eagleton: “Imagine someone holding forth on biology whose only knowledge of the subject is the Book of British Birds, and you have a rough idea of what it feels like to read Richard Dawkins on theology”

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Re: "Religion Has No Place In The 21st Century"-Cambridge Debate-Dawkins vs.Williams by Nobody: 8:44pm On Feb 11, 2013
Enigma:
Previously posted here https://www.nairaland.com/298119/30-keys-being-effective-atheist/4#9584483

Per Terry eagleton: “Imagine someone holding forth on biology whose only knowledge of the subject is the Book of British Birds, and you have a rough idea of what it feels like to read Richard Dawkins on theology”

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Theology is not some professional/technical discipline. It is not even widely accepted as an acadmeic discipline


Any educated person who belongs to a religion and understands basic logic/philosophy is adequately equipped to talk about theology.


You are just an arrogant christian that claims nonsense about an atheist who you clearly dislike. You have not even named one...I mean one single flawed argument of Dawkins on theology. Shows how bankrupt you are intellectually

#Enigma debunked. cool

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Re: "Religion Has No Place In The 21st Century"-Cambridge Debate-Dawkins vs.Williams by Enigma(m): 8:50pm On Feb 11, 2013
Yeah, like Dawkins' 'directed panspermia' theory for the origin of life on earth, lol. Daft as a brush nonsense emanating from a dunce. smiley

As I said on the other thread https://www.nairaland.com/1182831/interview-richard-dawkins-ben-stein/9#14166741

. . . . In 'The Distinguished Gentleman', one fellow accused the Eddie Murphy character of being another congressman's 'Yes man'. Eddie Murphy promptly replied: "I'm not just his Yes man! When he votes No, I vote No too."

On this thread some of Dawkins disciples have been defending a speculation put forward by their Daddy G.O. as a worthwhile hypothesis. Now we know, as davidylan pointed out, that if that same speculation/hypothesis had been put forward by a creationist or believer in ID, Dawkins' followers would have ridiculed the person.

Interestingly, now that we have shown that after Dawkins himself was ridiculed for his 'speculation/hypothesis', he denied that he was putting forward the speculation/hypothesis and even impliedly ridiculed the speculation/hypothesis claiming it is the argument of creationists etc.

Do Dawkins' followers still believe that the 'speculation' or 'hypothesis' "discussed" by their Daddy G.O. in the OP video is worthwhile and worthy of defending?

Are Dawkins' disciples both Yes Men and No Men?
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Re: "Religion Has No Place In The 21st Century"-Cambridge Debate-Dawkins vs.Williams by mantraa: 9:01pm On Feb 11, 2013
Theological and philosophical answers to the big questions provide no evidence and for thousands of years have not advanced our understanding of the nature of life and the universe. Hindu theologians say hinduism is the true answer. Muslim theologians say islam is the true answer. Buddhist philosophers say buddhism is the true answer, etc. (there are over 30000 different denominations within the christian faith alone).

However since the advance of the scientific methods we have seen huge increases in our understanding of the universe and life on this planet. Dawkins field, Evolutionary biology is a field of science based on natural selection and has helped us to find cures for thousands of illnesses that would have killed us no matter how many people pray for you.
Maybe you should read some of his books like The selfish Gene, The Greatest Show on Earth, or The Magic of Reality before you call him a dunce.
Re: "Religion Has No Place In The 21st Century"-Cambridge Debate-Dawkins vs.Williams by Enigma(m): 9:04pm On Feb 11, 2013
^^^ First, tell us Dawkins' major contribution to science per se.

Look someone with a noteworthy achievement like Peter Higgs of Higgs Boson fame even said he found Dawkins' rants and activities embarrassing. Wise people will pay attention to real scientists.

Oh, and by the way, Dawkins remains a theological and philosophical dunce.

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Re: "Religion Has No Place In The 21st Century"-Cambridge Debate-Dawkins vs.Williams by Nobody: 9:32pm On Feb 11, 2013
Enigma: ^^^ First, tell us Dawkins' major contribution to science per se.

Look someone with a noteworthy achievement like Peter Higgs of Higgs Boson fame even said he found Dawkins' rants and activities embarrassing. Wise people will pay attention to real scientists.

Oh, and by the way, Dawkins remains a theological and philosophical dunce.

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Re: "Religion Has No Place In The 21st Century"-Cambridge Debate-Dawkins vs.Williams by mantraa: 9:38pm On Feb 11, 2013
^^^^^^^^ Exactly! Sometimes actions speak louder than words undecided

Re: "Religion Has No Place In The 21st Century"-Cambridge Debate-Dawkins vs.Williams by Enigma(m): 9:44pm On Feb 11, 2013
Actually, apart from him being a dunce it is also fair to accuse the Daddy G.O. of evangelical atheists of being a liar too.

After putting forward directed panspermia as a hypothesis for the origin of life on earth (which his undiscerning disciples lapped up naturally), he later denied that what he was doing was putting forward that hypothesis. smiley


https://www.nairaland.com/1182831/interview-richard-dawkins-ben-stein/5#14141020

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Re: "Religion Has No Place In The 21st Century"-Cambridge Debate-Dawkins vs.Williams by wiegraf: 4:57am On Feb 12, 2013
Enigma: Actually, apart from him being a dunce it is also fair to accuse the Daddy G.O. of evangelical atheists of being a liar too.

After putting forward directed panspermia as a hypothesis for the origin of life on earth (which his undiscerning disciples lapped up naturally), he later denied that what he was doing was putting forward that hypothesis. smiley


https://www.nairaland.com/1182831/interview-richard-dawkins-ben-stein/5#14141020

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For all the talk you've made, is this all you have?


@logic, when y'all indulge a thread as baseless and asinine as that one for 15+ pages, please note the results.
Re: "Religion Has No Place In The 21st Century"-Cambridge Debate-Dawkins vs.Williams by MrAnony1(m): 10:16am On Feb 12, 2013
ooman: Richard Dawkins was only VOTED AGAINST because the audience was filled with BRAINWASHED XTIANS. According to the report, many people were turned away

Most intelligent people werent allowed inside the room, only the gullible ones and even some abstained from voting.

DAWKINS WAS NOT DEFEATED, HE WAS CHEATED
Another Dawkins fanboy......I wonder how you came to the conclusion that most intelligent people weren't allowed in. Was there an intelligence test at the door which people had to fail in order to gain entrance?
Re: "Religion Has No Place In The 21st Century"-Cambridge Debate-Dawkins vs.Williams by SNCOQ3(m): 1:38pm On Feb 12, 2013
Enigma:


Some of the "arguments" made by Dawkins were the same juvenile stuff we are now used to hearing and some being similar to the unthinking rants that we read on Nairaland everyday.

In one of the reports even a second year student pointed this out effectively saying that Dawkins did not address the real issue.

And for all we hear about religion being dead, its 'decline' etc etc, the supposed 'future leaders and elite' of the UK still voted overwhelmingly that it has a place in the 21st century.

Anyway, Christians don't need such debate or a positive vote or a win for Williams over a dunce like Dawkins to trust in the Saviour of Mankind, the Wisdom Unsearchable, Love Indestructible, the Lord of Eternity.

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Yea my brother, we don't need validation from anyone but just for the sake of religion vs 'denial' debate...make we just dey roll with am. I find Williams as pathetic as Dawkins but in a different way...just as a traitor is as pathetic as the enemy but in a different way.

I fear that those who deny the Lord Jesus for 'logic' may end up bowing down to the 'Counterfeit-Jesus'. Atheism will give way for magic, mysticism, spiritism when he who restrains is taken out of the way ....Atheism is just a diabolic means to a diabolic end.

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For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only he who now restrains will do so until he is taken out of the way. 2 Thess 2:7
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Jesus is God.

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Re: "Religion Has No Place In The 21st Century"-Cambridge Debate-Dawkins vs.Williams by SNCOQ3(m): 1:43pm On Feb 12, 2013
ooman: Richard Dawkins was only VOTED AGAINST because the audience was filled with BRAINWASHED XTIANS. According to the report, many people were turned away

Most intelligent people werent allowed inside the room, only the gullible ones and even some abstained from voting.

DAWKINS WAS NOT DEFEATED, HE WAS CHEATED

So much for "open mind".
Re: "Religion Has No Place In The 21st Century"-Cambridge Debate-Dawkins vs.Williams by SNCOQ3(m): 1:45pm On Feb 12, 2013
Mr_Anony:
Another Dawkins fanboy......I wonder how you came to the conclusion that most intelligent people weren't allowed in. Was there an intelligence test at the door which people had to fail in order to gain entrance?

My bruv, its the spirit of 'denial' at work.
Re: "Religion Has No Place In The 21st Century"-Cambridge Debate-Dawkins vs.Williams by MrAnony1(m): 12:21am On Feb 13, 2013
Enigma: ^^^ First, tell us Dawkins' major contribution to science per se.

Look someone with a noteworthy achievement like Peter Higgs of Higgs Boson fame even said he found Dawkins' rants and activities embarrassing. Wise people will pay attention to real scientists.

Oh, and by the way, Dawkins remains a theological and philosophical dunce.

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Amidst all the "facepalming", it didn't escape my notice how they couldn't mention a major scientific contribution by Dawkins
Re: "Religion Has No Place In The 21st Century"-Cambridge Debate-Dawkins vs.Williams by MrAnony1(m): 12:25am On Feb 13, 2013
SNCOQ3:

My bruv, its the spirit of 'denial' at work.
No be small denial . . . .following dawkins like sheep yet calling others brainwashed. These chaps just make me laugh
Re: "Religion Has No Place In The 21st Century"-Cambridge Debate-Dawkins vs.Williams by wiegraf: 1:13am On Feb 13, 2013
xtians: well, it is xtianity that stands between anything goes of world domination intention of the atheist and their satanic supporter and right to worship God.

Really? What can we do to stop this??!
Re: "Religion Has No Place In The 21st Century"-Cambridge Debate-Dawkins vs.Williams by MrAnony1(m): 1:16am On Feb 13, 2013
^^^
Re: "Religion Has No Place In The 21st Century"-Cambridge Debate-Dawkins vs.Williams by wiegraf: 1:19am On Feb 13, 2013
Mr_Anony: ^^^

Do you has a question for me? Be quick, my battery is about to die
Re: "Religion Has No Place In The 21st Century"-Cambridge Debate-Dawkins vs.Williams by Nobody: 1:36am On Feb 13, 2013
Mr_Anony:
Amidst all the "facepalming", it didn't escape my notice how they couldn't mention a major scientific contribution by Dawkins

Mtchew,looking for a strawman? I notice how you add the word "major". This is the original comment;




Logicboy03:


Yet another christian calling Dawkins a dunce.


The arrogance and foolishness of some christians amaze me. You are not as educated as Dawkins, you have not contributd to science the way he has, you have not contributed to teaching/lecturing the way he has.....yet you have the nerve to call him a dunce?

Dawkins might not be the best debater because he is a rigid lecturer but his points are clear as crystal. It is one thing to claim that he lost the debate but another to say that he is a dunce.










Re: "Religion Has No Place In The 21st Century"-Cambridge Debate-Dawkins vs.Williams by Nobody: 3:55am On Feb 13, 2013
mantraa: The same people who brought their religion to us Africans are now debating whether it is all illogical, irrational and unnecessary. The most peaceful and successful and fairest counties in the world abandon beliefs in the supernatural to move forward.
Please Watch the debate with an open mind, and try to understand both sides of it.

Perhaps you should take your own advice. Western nations like the UK and the US are still predominantly christian nations.
Re: "Religion Has No Place In The 21st Century"-Cambridge Debate-Dawkins vs.Williams by MrAnony1(m): 4:54am On Feb 13, 2013
Logicboy03:
Mtchew,looking for a strawman? I notice how you add the word "major". This is the original comment;
Mtchew telling lies again? Why don't you scroll up to post 14 and see the exact comment you facepalmed.


Enigma: ^^^ First, tell us Dawkins' major contribution to science per se.

Look someone with a noteworthy achievement like Peter Higgs of Higgs Boson fame even said he found Dawkins' rants and activities embarrassing. Wise people will pay attention to real scientists.

Oh, and by the way, Dawkins remains a theological and philosophical dunce.

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Also, Enigma is justified in calling Dawkins a dunce as far as theology and philosophy are concerned. You didn't dispute that. All you did was pander to his biology credentials - which by the way we all applaud - but that as fantastic as it may be does nothing to change the fact that Dawkins is a dunce in respect to philosophy and theology.

P/s: When you shoot off your response as you are wont to do, don't forget to tell us exactly what major contributions your hero Dawkins has made to science.
Re: "Religion Has No Place In The 21st Century"-Cambridge Debate-Dawkins vs.Williams by MrAnony1(m): 5:04am On Feb 13, 2013
wiegraf:

Do you has a question for me? Be quick, my battery is about to die
Not at all. You just blabbed some unintelligible garb I that I don't understand. That's all really.
Re: "Religion Has No Place In The 21st Century"-Cambridge Debate-Dawkins vs.Williams by Nobody: 5:08am On Feb 13, 2013
Mr_Anony:
P/s: When you shoot off your response as you are wont to do, don't forget to tell us exactly what major contributions your hero Dawkins has made to science.

you mean they havent told us this yet? shocked grin Perhaps they dont know?

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