A-40:

If Alonso was consistent he would qualify better and odds are the gap would not be as wide as it is right now. Consistency is the reason why Vettel is ahead of the rest of the field or else why isn't Webber winning races or in the title hunt if it was down to the car alone?

That car was competitive this year,last year and the year before! He also drove a competitive car at McLaren and yet he failed woefully! If he could not win a WDC then he would not win it now! Competitive car or not

So why is Webber not directly behind Vettel? Since the supremacy is so vast how are Alonso,Kimi and Louis ahead of Webber

The Renault car was faster than every other car on the grid!! Only an Alonso fanboy like you would argue otherwise! Put a solid driver as Alonso's running mate and let's see if they would not have swept the other races! That car had more pole positions than all the other cars out there!

If that car was not the best on the grid then tell us how Alonso was able to be on pole for 5 straight races at a point! That the Renault didn't win more races is purely an indictment on Giancarlo Fisichella's motor skills

He had 12 poles within that timeframe! How many has he had since? You are free to argue till you are blue in the face but the facts are there and irrefutable! A Raikkonnen or Schumacher would have won more races for Renault

Bullshit!! Why isn't Webber winning races then? He's won squat all season long

MRbrownJAY:

Alonso is the best of the rest, no question about it, but even if he was qualifying on pole, it would NOT change the outcome of the race. that RBR is simply faster!

MRbrownJAY:
i guess you are entitled to your opinion about what a competitive car is.......we all can see that there is absolutely NO competition. if you can see any, then you must be "special" like baba Ijebu, lol!

MRbrownJAY:
everyone knows that A) the RBR is modelled around SV driving style and B) Webber is a "ok" driver. put any top driver like Ham/Alonso/Rai in that car and you will see some real competition at the top.......

MRbrownJAY:
At least we can all agree on one point: Alonso is a SOLID driver.

MRbrownJAY:
any F1 aficionado knows that being on pole doesnt mean anything....a car can be fast on 1lap, and fail miserably during the race.......see Mercedes for an example of what i am saying. at the end of the day, if the Renault car was better than the rest, then that car would have won MOST of the races.....it is simple LOGIC.

A-40:


I'm sure you would have preferred Webber not finishing that race the difference was in tire strategy. Webber had to pit as early as the 26th lap! There is no way he woulda lasted till the end infact Webber only has himself to blame for staring at Grosjean's exhaust for that long! Vettel woulda passed him in a New York minute

omar22:

Definitely another bit of team strategy to let golden boy win. They're not worried about the 7 points, but they probably feel that PR wise it's better to let Seb take all the victories...he'll be the one to lead the challenge again for RBR next year.

That said I agree with those who say Webber isn't a match for Vettel (anymore) in his own right. One of his weaknesses was shown again in being stuck after Grosjean a few laps instead of banzaiing it on the first attempt...However I don't think it would have been enough for victory either way.

All in all they were closely matched today with Webber having a slight advantage and the team did just enough to negate that advantage. Helmut was smiling.

Webber suggesting the team changed him to two stops. Plenty for the conspiracy theorists there.

If there was anything naughty going on it more reflects that they didn't trust Mark not to take them both off. There's certainly been enough egging on in that direction. I still think splitting the tactics made most sense to beat Lotus: no point having two cars follow his strategy.

Still, possible scandal as title winning team may favour winning guy. Unprecedented.

Did you hear Vettel say "Keep him away from me" do you think he was talking about Grosjaen?

omar22:

Definitely another bit of team strategy to let golden boy win. They're not worried about the 7 points, but they probably feel that PR wise it's better to let Seb take all the victories...he'll be the one to lead the challenge again for RBR next year.

omar22:
That said I agree with those who say Webber isn't a match for Vettel (anymore) in his own right. One of his weaknesses was shown again in being stuck after Grosjean a few laps instead of banzaiing it on the first attempt...However I don't think it would have been enough for victory either way.

omar22:
All in all they were closely matched today with Webber having a slight advantage and the team did just enough to negate that advantage. Helmut was smiling.

Webber suggesting the team changed him to two stops. Plenty for the conspiracy theorists there.

omar22:
If there was anything naughty going on it more reflects that they didn't trust Mark not to take them both off. There's certainly been enough egging on in that direction. I still think splitting the tactics made most sense to beat Lotus: no point having two cars follow his strategy.

omar22:
Still, possible scandal as title winning team may favour winning guy. Unprecedented.

Did you hear Vettel say "Keep him away from me" do you think he was talking about Grosjaen?

A-40:

Let's be fair here! Webber was on fresher and faster tires how on earth did he take 7 laps to pass Grosjean? The distance between him and Vettel was 11 seconds with 10 laps to go he could have caught him. Anyway these "tactics" are nothing compared to tampering with your teammates gearbox and "Fernando is faster than you"
RBR did what they had to do to get their cars ahead of the Lotus

MrBrownJay is talking about competitive teammates like Alonso,Hamilton and Schumacher had competitive teammates in their championship years

omar22:

Talking about Alonso, I heard that Ferrari has pardoned Massa for not moving over for "Crybaby"

Felipe was instructed by his team(s) since the start of his F1 career. I still remember the 2002 German GP when the Sauber team instructed him to let past Heidfeld and he lamented on the radio about it. After that Felipe looked to estabilish himself as a frontrunner but 8 years later, at the same track(Hockenheim), another team order, denied him a victory and highlighted Alonso's dominance inside the Ferrari team for four years.

Pretty pathetic that with no chance of a driver's title, Ferrari still try to take a position from one driver to give to another.

It will be interesting to see what will happen with bullheaded Kimi there. I wish he'd stay at Lotus. Anyways since Alonso is a poor qualifier, this will happen in the upcoming races too. Ferrari will still find a way to screw him... just ask Mark Webber how easy it is..

Now please give him some of that Lewis treatment and roughen his race. You had to move so many times and than Alonso get the crown.

A-40:

What does it matter if they do not pardon him? He has to race for his F1 future so if I were him I couldn't be bothered about Ferrari or Alonso

Ferrari would do well not to try nonsense with Kimi because that one sef na crazeman. Alonso would have to outdrive and outqualify Kimi to get any special treatment and even at that there's no telling how the Iceman would react. I think we are at the cusp of seeing an outstanding battle between two really good drivers either way there is no guarantee it would lead to a WDC or WCC for Ferrari

omar22:


The problem is that the Spanish giant Santander are one of the major sponsors of Ferrari and seems like they are pulling some serious strings, now Ferrari has had another sponsor with deep pockets from China and they insist on having Kimi on board.

Waiting for the fire-works

justwise:

He is a much better driver than Vettel 4sure

aieromon: Webber and Vettel in lead positions.

Anyone know how Vettel slipped into 5th place? I started the race at Lap 12.

Area_boy: 2008 was a wet race.. doesn't count..


lets see how today unfolds

A-40:
Superb driving from Vettel today! Just head and shoulders above the competition


Pitted really early! Lap 2 precisely

A-40:

How can it not count? He still had to win it! He was only 21 FFS

baby-boy:



Do you honestly think a Torro Rosso with Vettel as the driver will win at Monza in the DRY? NO CHANCE

Even Jordan racing won 2 twice in the wet

A-40:

If I recall correctly he was on pole! Every team is equally affected by the rains so same way it worked for Vettel is also the same way it could have worked against him

baby-boy:



You didnt answer my question? Like I said in the wet its a level playing field, Hulkenberg got pole in the wet, Honda's only win was in the wet

if am correct Vettel has only won one wet race since that day

Area_boy: Basically, fanny face decided to end the season before it actually ended. I'm now looking up to next year.. Let me see fanny face win again


Hope the competition wake up. Redbull is dominating too much FFS!!! hope the new rules will balance up things.. Else.... Imma quit watching

A-40:

He also started on pole! That should tell you he had a good weekend! Whether he would have gone on to win is moot you can't categorically say if he will or won't besides rain is usually the ultimate leveller and a good driver has to show some mastery of those conditions. Give the man his dues

How many wet races do we have on average per season? We've not had one this year! So that's not saying much

montelik: Well its officially over. Haven't commented in a while but I have still been following the races. I can't lie this season has been more boring than any off the previous years despite a promising start. Pirelli need to take it easy with the tyres, its turning things into something of a procession.

Some will whine, moan and groan about Vettel and Red Bull being too dominant and destroying the spectacle of F1. But the blame this season lies squarely on the shoulders of the competition. No matter what some may say, Red Bull didn't start the season with a superior car and even now I doubt they have a car much faster than the others. Fact is that the other teams can't match Vettel and Red Bulls consistency and discipline. They have had 4 years to get this sorted, yet the likes of Mclaren, Ferrari, Mercedes keep making the same mistakes year to year. Just more consistency from these guys and we would at least have a WDC and constructors race that went on much longer. But the teams who would rather give-up as soon as they fall behind and proceed to whine about Red Bulls invincibilty, while hoping for some magic fix with a tweaking of rules, tyres e.t.c to give them an edge.

Darthmaul:
Very well said.
I want to commend A-40, always sticking out for Vettel. The guy is just brilliant, lot of people don't just want to accept that. It is only in F1 we would see some one winning 4 WDC yet, he is still an average driver.

baby-boy:


Your friend would be a collection of fine wine by the end of the sea, are you aware that this season's car rolls into next year? no modification no alteration etc and Adrian Newey would get the car to stick on the ground whereas Ferrari might need to build a new car

My prediction of the buyer of wine

17/03 Grand Prix of Australia YOU
24/03 Grand Prix of Malaysia YOU (if it rains Friend)
14/04 Grand Prix of China FRIEND
21/04 Grand Prix of Bahrain YOU
12/05 Grand Prix of Spain (Barcelona) FRIEND
26/05 Grand Prix of Monaco YOU
09/06 Grand Prix of Canada YOU
16/06 Grand Prix of Jersey (New York) * TBA
30/06 Grand Prix of Great Britain YOU
14/07 Grand Prix of Germany FRIEND
28/07 Grand Prix of Hungary YOU
25/08 Grand Prix of Belgium FRIEND
08/09 Grand Prix of Italy FRIEND
22/09 Grand Prix of Singapore YOU
06/10 Grand Prix of Korea YOU
13/10 Grand Prix of Japan YOU
27/10 Grand Prix of India YOU
03/11 Grand Prix of Abu Dhabi FRIEND
17/11 Grand Prix of USA (Austin) FRIEND
24/11 Grand Prix of Brazil Uh? Interlagos is a Red Bull track

A-40:

He also started on pole! That should tell you he had a good weekend! Whether he would have gone on to win is moot you can't categorically say if he will or won't besides rain is usually the ultimate leveller and a good driver has to show some mastery of those conditions. Give the man his dues

How many wet races do we have on average per season? We've not had one this year! So that's not saying much