My people perish due to ignorance.

The Bible is available everywhere in Nigeria, in different versions for easy understanding, and also translations into most local languages. Therefore we can all read to find the real truth. Its not like Quran that they have to tell you what is in there. So apart from lazyness what stops a Christian from finding out the real truth by himself? Why does he have to leave interpretation to anybody to the extent that the practice of Christianity has turned into philisophical argument?

Jesus said the harvest is ripe and we need people to gather and bring them in. Instead of all the arguments lets use the energy to win more converts. Jesus is Lord

Candour:

My dear brother,have you ever heard of the Jonestown tragedy? if you have not,pls google it up and read.That is what happens when false doctrine is not challenged.You might also want to check up 'Movement for the Restoration of the Ten Commandments of God' church massacre in Uganda in 2000

Also the Tithe scam is @ the heart of the corruption bedeviling the church and by extension the nation which in turn robs the people of their collective resources giving birth to social vices like Boko haram.

Kill greed,covetousness and conspicuous consumption in Christendom and you will see a drastic reduction in crimes in Nigeria.

Bidam: The New Testament church and writers took for granted the practice of
tithing as the declared way of supporting the house of God. Scriptural
References: Luke 18:10-14: Jesus used a parable to illustrate the
difference between a Pharisee and his pride, and a publican, who was
blessed because of his humbleness. However, within the parable, Jesus
has the Pharisee say, “I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I
possess.” It was not the fasting or the giving of tithes that brought the
criticism, but rather the pride that caused the Pharisee to boast.
What he did was accepted, why he did it, was not. I believe that this is
tangible evidence that Jesus accepted tithing as the established way of
giving. Hebrews 7:8, “And here men that die receive tithes, but there He
receiveth them of whom it is witnessed that He liveth.” I Corinthians 16:2
Paul is obviously speaking of proportionate giving, a giving that is based
on the amount of income. Indeed, for those who insist that the New
Testament does not teach tithing, here is a good New Testament standard,
which of course exceeds 10%.

Copy & paste master. you are not tired of this your recycled internet posts. am sure the owners of the site you are copying from are even more crooked than most nigerian pastors. why don't you take time to read your bible instead of scanning the internet for materials that will support your illegal contributions

Bidam:
Malachi tells us to bring our tithes into the storehouse, “that there may be
meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the Lord of hosts.”
Malachi 3:10
Paul wrote to the church at Corinth, “Upon the first day of the week let
everyone of you lay by him, as God hath prospered him.”
I Corinthians 16:2
These two scriptures indicate that your tithes are to be given to the place
of your feeding. The pasture into which you as sheep are
being nourished and fed by a shepherd (Pastor).

Did you ever consider the possibility that your pastor have been feeding you with hallucinating drugs all this time?

^did he say his pastor told him or he said he read it in the bible himself.

besides, you dont seem to be a christian, so how is it your business?

your types are the ones who fall into the hands of false prophets, eventually.

tpia@:
^did he say his pastor told him or he said he read it in the bible himself.

besides, you dont seem to be a christian, so how is it your business?

your types are the ones who fall into the hands of false prophets, eventually.

Ehhmm, who are the ones follow following false prophets ?

Those who use GOD for kalu kalu or those who give expecting nothing back ?

you'll know when you get the reward of what you're sowing.

God is not mocked.

Bidam: Malachi tells us to bring our tithes into the storehouse, “that there may be
meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the Lord of hosts.”
Malachi 3:10
Paul wrote to the church at Corinth, “Upon the first day of the week let
everyone of you lay by him, as God hath prospered him.”
I Corinthians 16:2
These two scriptures indicate that your tithes are to be given to the place
of your feeding. The pasture into which you as sheep are
being nourished and fed by a shepherd (Pastor).

we must change ur name to malachi.

tpia@:
you'll know when you get the reward of what you're sowing.

God is not mocked.

a gay cardinal is ur hero while a decent truth teacher is a false preacher am not suprised. Ur gay priests will continue to confese and Frosbel, Gorhen etc will continue to exposed them.

@christembessy: ur a real shame to ur monikker and the God u represent. SMH.

tpia@:
you'll know when you get the reward of what you're sowing.

God is not mocked.

Your MOG are the ones mocking GOD with their greed and exploitation of the poor.

SMH.

Wow. this is exhilarating.
I have also seen for some years now the part of Deuteronomy that stated that at the third year, the year of tithing, that one should gather the orphans, widow strangers and levites within ones gate and tithe to them.
That made me begin to question the MOG. why would they continue ignore that part and all other part, aforesaid in this thread(cause I've saw it myself. even b4 2day).
Did Malachi institute tithe payment? no.
why not read the whole Law of tithe payment?
Was tithe initially money? no, tithe is food
why turn it into money?
why won't they share with the needy as commanded.
why ignore all other laws save for those that things are paid? example is the an eye for eye part
Are pastors levites? Accepting Jesus does it make everyone a levite or just the pastors?
why do I need to redeem the 1st born since Jesus as died for the atonement of his sins? Though Jesus was bruise for is transgressions
Why would there be needs in my church(my local church) and most part of the tithe(like 80% of the total) is sent to the HQ?
But one thing I'm sure of is, Tithe was instituted by God so the won't be needy in the land. That why he referred to those without inheritance(land to work), to be tithed to. And the same is what Jesus and Paul laid emphasis on Charity and brotherly love.

I personally decided my money won't go into the tithe box again, since I know major part goes to the HQ. I put mine in the development offering which stays in the local church.

@Bidam

no one has liked your posts since the thread started,or so.it seems people have come across the real truth.stop quoting out of context

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Segeggs: @Bidam

no one has liked your posts since the thread started,or so.it seems people have come across the real truth.stop quoting out of context

bro..it is not about liking post..people hate truth na..nobody liked JESUS either.

osifred: 'The poor will alwayz be there for you to give to them but I won't alwayz be there.' Jesus responding to his disciple when a lady wanted to wash his feet with oitment against the wish of the disciples who thought the substance could have been sold and the proceed given to the poor.


There is a 100 fold return on blessing for paying tithe while there is 30 fold return for giving to the poor.

So I rather give to God for 100 folds return

osifred: 'The poor will alwayz be there for you to give to them but I won't alwayz be there.' Jesus responding to his disciple when a lady wanted to wash his feet with oitment against the wish of the disciples who thought the substance could have been sold and the proceed given to the poor.


There is a 100 fold return on blessing for paying tithe while there is 30 fold return for giving to the poor.

So I rather give to God for 100 folds return

JESUS WEPT!

The truth is that we are at the end of the ages. Everything seems to be lopsided inclusive of the Church.
I have seen tithes paid to the 'Pastor' not the church. God's mind when giving this law was for the church to distribute to the poor.
What you see now is a man of God that feed fat on the tithe and I think the pioneer of this tread is only trying to ventilate his
frustration on what he sees as not too good a situation about tithing in this part of the world. Lord have mercy.

brilapluz:
JESUS WEPT!

Indeed he does at these tithing deceived sheeple.

Reading through(mostly skipping through) I couldn't help but wonder if some of you think tithe is what will lead you to heaven, some have cursed others here all in the name of defending tithe.....
Well I didn't use to pay, but i am thinking its time, and no it wouldn't be the traditionally straight into the tithe box, it will be as the spirit leads. Shared evenly among those I feel need it.

Paulaok4: Reading through(mostly skipping through) I couldn't help but wonder if some of you think tithe is what will lead you to heaven, some have cursed others here all in the name of defending tithe.....
Well I didn't use to pay, but i am thinking its time, and no it wouldn't be the traditionally straight into the tithe box, it will be as the spirit leads. Shared evenly among those I feel need it.

Give to the needy not the church and do not call it Tithe, the Tithe is a red herring.

CHRISTEMMBASSEY: in deut 14 when God wanted isreal to eat their tithe he said so. When God wanted isreal to divide their tith among the livites, the widows, orphans and strangers he said so (deut 14:22-29, deut 26:12-13) why is it that when God wanted to collect tithe he resorted to speaking in tongues only you can understand? I tire 4 u o. If i may ask, 'why are you like this?

OK..lemme see what i can do to this queshion..let's first look at this scripture.

"And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land or of the fruit of the tree, is the LORD's. It is holy to the LORD" (Leviticus 27:30-31).


This says that all the tithe of the land is the LORD's, it says it includes fruits and seeds but does not say that is all that it includes. Also notice the following:

Honor the LORD with your possessions, And with the firstfruits of all your increase; So your barns will be filled with plenty, And your vats will overflow with new wine (Proverbs 3:9-10).


Does it also include mined and manufactured items, or other wealth that derives from substantial human activity? Does not gold and silver come from the land? Is not wine manufactured? Do not our possessions include non-agricultural items?

Well notice,

"'The silver is Mine, and the gold is Mine,' says the LORD of hosts" (Haggai 2:.


Furthermore, tithing included manufactured items such as wine and oil (Nehemiah 13:5,12), which do require substantial human labor to produce beyond planting and harvesting.


The Bible also makes clear,

"The earth is the LORD's, and all its fullness" (Psalm 24:1).


Jacob said,

"...of all that You give me I will surely give a tenth" (Genesis 28:22)


This would have to include money--when Jacob said this, it was possible that God would have made him a merchant instead of a rancher, thus it seems clear to me that this supports tithing on actual money..

The scripture in Hebrews 7:4, also shows that tithes were not limited to agriculture as it included the spoils of war. The account in Genesis 14:20 says Abraham,

"...gave him (Melchizedek) a tithe of all".



Also the statement in Hebrews 7:2 says "Abraham gave a tenth part of all"--this seems to suggest that he gave him a tenth that was not necessarily related to the spoils of war--this is consistent with the rest of Hebrews 7 which says tithes were paid through Abraham (Hebrews 7:9).


It is also of interest to note that when praying, a Pharisee told God, "I give tithes of all that I possess" (Luke 18:12), thus demonstrating that he believed tithes were not limited to agricultural produce only.

If tithing were only limited to agricultural produce, then preachers could not be sent out. And preachers of the Gospel are supposed to be sent out,

"For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. For "whoever calls on the name of the LORD shall be saved." How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher? And how shall they preach unless they are sent? As it is written: "How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the gospel of peace, Who bring glad tidings of good things!" "(Rom 10:12-15).

And those ministers must be paid (I Corinthians 9:13-14).


Very few in the Church of God make their living from farming today.


Now to the part of the scripture you quoted.

"And you shall eat before the LORD your God, in the place where He chooses to make His name" (Deuteronomy 14:23).


This scripture does not limit the Feast attendees to those who are farmers only--if it did, almost no one in the early church would be able to keep the Feast of Tabernacles!

"You shall truly tithe all the increase of your grain that the field produces year by year. And you shall eat before the LORD your God, in the place where He chooses to make His name abide, the tithe of your grain and your new wine and your oil, of the firstborn of your herds and your flocks, that you may learn to fear the LORD your God always. But if the journey is too long for you, so that you are not able to carry the tithe, or if the place where the LORD your God chooses to put His name is too far from you, when the LORD your God has blessed you, then you shall exchange it for money, take the money in your hand, and go to the place which the LORD your God chooses. And you shall spend that money for whatever your heart desires: for oxen or sheep, for wine or similar drink, for whatever your heart desires; you shall eat there before the LORD your God, and you shall rejoice, you and your household...And at the end of every third year you shall bring out a tithe of your produce of that year and store it within your gates. And the Levite, because he has no portion nor inheritance with you, and the stranger and the fatherless and the widow who are within your gates, may come and eat and be satisfied, that the LORD your God will bless you in all the work of your hand which you do" (Deuteronomy 14:22-26,28-29).



God specifically calls the third tithe a "holy tithe" (Deuteronomy 26:13).


The expression tithes (the plural of tithe) is used 17 times in the Old Testament. The fact that there are multiple tithes is also confirmed in the New Testament from a Pharisee who stated, "I give tithes of all I possess" (Luke 18:12). In Hebrews it shows that, "those who are of the sons of Levi, who receive the priesthood, have a commandment to receive tithes from the people according to the law" (7:5) and that Abraham paid tithes (vs. 9).


Paul said, "I must by all means keep this coming feast in Jerusalem" (Acts 18:21); the money had to come from somewhere to get there. Remember Paul wrote, Imitate me, just as I also imitate Christ" (1 Corinthians 11:1) and Jesus said, " 'You go up to this feast'...But when His brothers had gone up, then He also went up to the feast" (John 7:8,10). Second tithe supports festival attendance.

^^^^

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tpia@:
you'll know when you get the reward of what you're sowing.

God is not mocked.

My dear you ve told him the truth. Its quite unfortunate that they allowed themselves to be deceived by the devil to fall into the category of false prophets that the bible told us will arise in the last days. I feel sorry for those who are carried away by their false teachings in the name of exposing the truth of the bible.
For me by the grace of God i cannot be deceived by frosbel and his cohorts. The spirit of the last days is very much at work and of course the bible prophecy about false prophets must fulfill hence the outbreak of more of them as we journey more into the last days. This may just be the begining of a greater dimension of falsehood that will engulf the end time church. And of course what the bible told us that will arise in the last days is falsehood not truth so dont be suprised as they are arising. One of the characteristics of falsehood is that it appears like the truth, it sounds sweeter and more simple than the truth. Yet it is not the truth. How deceitful satan is, he makes them feel they are now getting wiser about the bible while in the real sense of it they are misinterpreting and misunderstanding it. The same way he made Eve believe that eating the evil fruit will make them wiser and be like God. How else will the prophecy of the last days false prophets be fulfilled if not like what we are seeing here in recent past where the bible practices are being distorted with misapplication of the scriptures. Of course satan quoted bible to Jesus when he was tempting him. He used bible to support every action he wanted Jesus to take but Jesus beat him to it so i cannot be carried away by the bible quoting craze of frosbel and his cohorts. Signs of the time are everywhere. For me, i still rely on the Holy Spirit to guide me into all truths. I can never rely on frosbel, Goshen360,christembassy,ijawkid,truthislight or anybody for proper interpretation of the bible because none of them will come to answer for me at the judgment throne. No pastor or bishop or G.O. will defend me at the judgment throne. We shall all stand alone to answer for ourselves. Every teachings i come accross, I choose to subject it to the interpretations and guidance of the Holy Spirit. As the events of the last days continues to manifest, every reasonable child of God MUST seek the presence of the Holy Spirit in his life and MUST rely totally on the Holy Spirit for proper interpretation of the word so as to avoid falling trap of the so called "wise men" who claim to know the scriptures now more than before and even more than others.

^^^^^

“ Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us:” – Gal 4:13

Placing someone under a required system of tithing and offering is tantamount to ignoring the redemption of Christ and placing the church back under a curse of the law.

Those living under liberty and grace cannot be placed under a curse (Gal 5:1). Mandatory tithing is not a practice for the church, the Body of Christ. Those who teach tithing are either ignorant of Paul’s instructions or are mishandling the word of truth (Titus 1:11).

"It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery." - Galatians 5:1

"They must be silenced, because they are disrupting whole households by teaching things they ought not to teach—and that for the sake of dishonest gain." - Titus 1;11

1 Timothy 6:5 and constant friction between men of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain.

Romans 16:18 For such people are not serving our Lord Christ, but their own appetites. By smooth talk and flattery they deceive the minds of naive people.

Our generosity is an outgrowth of our thankfulness to God for what he has done on the cross. When pastors use the law to motivate giving they are denying the all sufficient power of God’s grace (2 Cor 5:14-15, 9:8 ). - Source

frosbel:

Our generosity is an outgrowth of our thankfulness to God for what he has done on the cross. [size=15pt]When pastors use the law to motivate giving they are denying the all sufficient power of God’s Grace[/size] (2 Cor 5:14-15, 9:8 ). - Source

^^^

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frosbel: This Sunday in Church , take your 'Tithes' and Offerings to Church.

When the service gets to the Malachi 3 session, look for anyone around you who has real needs, and give your tithes and offerings to them.

Better still ask the ushers or pastors to ask the following people to come forward :

- Mothers who do not know where the next meal for the family will come from
- Fathers who have lost their Jobs
- Widows who have no husbands
- Orphans who have no parents.
- Students who are barely eating talk less of paying school fees
- Those who wear rags or who have no shoes
- the homeless and destitute.

Do not give it to the ushers or take it to the front of the church , give it to these people, these are GOD's children who have real needs, yes, they are the ones who need your money, your spare clothes and shoes, extra cars etc.

I repeat, do not give a dime to your church or pastor and let us see how they will react !!!!

It's no surprise why topics like these makes it to the front page. There are two camps. Let's see what camp posters fall into in this passage:

"Then Jesus six days before the passover came to Bethany, where Lazarus was, which had been dead, whom he raised from the dead. There they made him a supper; and Martha served: but Lazarus was one of them that sat at the table with him. Then took Mary a pound of ointment of spikenard, very costly, and anointed the feet of Jesus, and wiped his feet with her hair: and the house was filled with the odour of the ointment. Then saith one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, which should betray him, Why was not this ointment sold for three hundred pence, and given to the poor? This he said, not that he cared for the poor; but because he was a thief, and had the bag, and bare what was put therein. Then said Jesus, Let her alone: against the day of my burying has she kept this. For the poor always you have with you; but me you have not always. Much people of the Jews therefore knew that he was there: and they came not for Jesus' sake only, but that they might see Lazarus also, whom he had raised from the dead. But the chief priests consulted that they might put Lazarus also to death; Because that by reason of him many of the Jews went away, and believed on Jesus"

(John 12:1-11).

Which camp do you belong to, Mary's camp or Judas Iscariot's? frosbel has chosen Juda's camp by the OP he posted up there, saying that you should give what belongs to God and give it to the poor. What would you do?

JIL:
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Please show me 1, just ONE scripture in the New Testament where Christians were asked to tithe.[/size]

Actually the terms 'tithe', 'tithing', or giving a 'tenth' occur ten times in the New Testament (NKJ), thus it is a New Testament subject.

Jesus taught,

"For you pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faith. These you ought to have done, without leaving the others undone" (Matthew 23:23; Luke 11:42).


Paul taught,

"For this Melchizedek, king of Salem, priest of the Most High God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings and blessed him, To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all, first being translated "king of righteousness," and then also king of Salem, meaning "king of peace,"...Here mortal men receive tithes, but there he receives them, of whom it is witnessed that he lives. Even Levi, who receives tithes, paid tithes through Abraham, so to speak, For he was still in the loins of his father when Melchizedek met him. Therefore, if perfection were through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need was there that another priest should rise according to the order of Melchizedek, and not be called according to the order of Aaron? For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law" (Hebrews 7:1-2,8-12).


Is this talking about a change so that the ministry receives the money instead of the Levites? Yes, "Do you not know that those who minister the holy things eat of the things of the temple, and those who serve at the altar partake of the offerings of the altar? Even so the Lord has commanded that those who preach the gospel should live from the gospel" (I Corinthians 9:13-14).



If you are still not sure on whether you should tithe, you might also ask yourself, does God expect Christians to give less than the carnal Israelites?

^^^^


A good example of a so called Christian who cannot rightly divide the word of truth because of $$$$

Oahray: One thing we should know, the command God gives his people are for their own good. Understanding the principles behind those laws would better help us to do what is right. What was the principle behind the Mosaic law?

Jesus summed up the Law and the Prophets as love -for God and for neighbour (Matt 22:34-40). God does not need our money to buy anything, but humans do. Aspects of the law code given to the Israelites such as tithing and gleaning was to instill in them a spirit of generosity.

The levitical priesthood did not plant or harvest because they were dedicated to working in the temple, offering sacrifices in behalf of the people. Tithing was to help the Jews cultivate a spirit of sharing (yes, they could eat from it too, as seen in Deut 14:22,23) with the Levites, the widows and the orphans (Deut 14:28,29). God's blessing was merely an addition and not the reason for the law.

With the eternal sacrifice of Jesus, such a levitical priesthood ceased to have God's backing, and so did the mosaic law and aspects of it such as tithing, animal sacrifices and gleaning (Heb 7:1-28). Little wonder the apostle Paul referred to the law as a tutor leading to Christ (Gal 3:24). Now that we have Christ, we no longer need a tutor.

Instead of tithing, christians are to be cheerful givers (2Cor 9:7).

Instead of hating their enemies, christians are to love and pray for them. (Matt 5:43;44)

Instead of offering animal sacrifices, christians are to offer the fruit of the lips (praise) to God (Heb 13:15).

It's a shame some profess to be christians and yet, like the pharisees of Jesus time, give the tenth part of food as religious obligation but ignore the weightier matters of the law namely justice, MERCY and faithfulness (Matt 23:23) and for this very reason, Jesus condemned them!

God bless u sir,u have just added anoda dimension to my undastandin about generosity..thumbs up!

Bidam: ..YOU SEE YOUR LIFE? LET ME QUOTE THE SCRIPTURE..LET US BEGIN...

This Melchizedek was king of Salem and priest of God Most High.
He met Abraham returning from the defeat of the kings and
blessed him, and Abraham gave him a tenth of everything. First,
his name means "king of righteousness"; then also, "king of
Salem" means "king of peace." Without father or mother, without
genealogy, without beginning of days or end of life, like the Son of
God he remains a priest forever. Just think how great he was: Even
the patriarch Abraham gave him a tenth of the plunder! Now the
law requires the descendants of Levi who become priests to collect
a tenth from the people – that is, their brothers – even though their
brothers are descended from Abraham. This man, however, did not
trace his descent from Levi, yet he collected a tenth from Abraham
and blessed him who had the promises. And without doubt the
lesser person is blessed by the greater. In the one case, the tenth is
collected by men who die; but in the other case, by him who is
declared to be living. One might even say that Levi, who collects
the tenth, paid the tenth through Abraham, because when
Melchizedek met Abraham, Levi was still in the body of his
ancestor. (Hebrews 7:1-10, NIV)

The Aaronic priesthood is inferior to the Melchizedekian priesthood for several reasons.
First, Abraham, the ancestor of Aaron and the Levites, paid tithe to Melchizedek, who in
turn blessed him, "And without doubt the lesser person is blessed by the greater" (v. 7).
Second, the former is administered by mortal beings, but the latter is founded on "the
power of an indestructible life" (v. 16). Third, the Levites were priests because of their
ancestry, but Christ is our high priest by a personal oath from God: "For it is declared:
'You are a priest forever, in the order of Melchizedek'" (v. 17; Psalm 110:4). The
Melchizedekian priesthood is indeed superior to the Aaronic priesthood. Since God has
made Jesus a priest in the order of Melchizedek, it follows that Jesus is greater than
Aaron.
But what this implies is another matter. Why does the superiority of the Melchizedekian
priesthood imply the abolition of the tithe? Being under the administration of a superior
priesthood does not automatically mean that one does not need to tithe. Perhaps one may
point to verse 12, which says, "For when there is a change of the priesthood, there must
also be a change of the law." But again, that does not automatically settle the issue. Why
does "a change of the law" necessarily entail the abolition of the tithe? The law says,
"Thou shalt not murder." Does it mean we may commit murder under the new priesthood,
seeing that there is "a change of the law"?
What is this "change in the law" ?

lol..hahahahaha..chei..!*shakes head*