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Re: Mentrual Cycle Ad by Kobojunkie: 4:44am On Apr 07, 2008 |
Needlelady: High Moral Culture exists in a Continent that is a cesspool; the one place on this planet where the worst evil on the planet can be seen on a daily basis and out in the view of all?? Genocides, brutal Slavery going on today, Corruption from highest to lowest places while over 50 thousand children die out like flies each month from hunger alone Do you really live on the same planet that we all live in?? I mean put together all those who have been maimed in the name of morality ( God's Great Law) to those who have been brutally executed in the name of holiness( racism in sudan and even in rwanda and now in kenya and so many other places across africa). Hunger in Somalia where even UN workers who want to help provide people with food are being attacked and you think this is HIGH MORALITY?? Look at your people in Zimbabwe with their high morals. High Morals have driven over 3 million people to go to neighbouring countries to live as beggars rather than continue to live in zimbabwe. 1000' of children in Uganda walk so many miles each night, far from their own parents and families to find safe places to sleep each night. Some of them sleep in small places on top of each other cause they do not want to be turned to child soldiers or sex slaves, and you believe this is high morality?? High morality is the reason why thousands of children still die each month from diseases that cures have been available for, for over 30 years now. Children still get polio and even die each year from malaria related cases when we all know that this should not be so and you say we have High morality in Africa?? High morality in a country where my childhood friend was poisoned by someone who did not like her and a cousin of mine died like a fly from an infection that he could have easily been cured of if he had been allowed to leave the country !!! WOW 1) Unicef has been selling cards to raise money to help children in Africa for decades. 2)Oprah used her show and name to raise some of the money she used to build the schools she built in South Africa last year or two ago and you do know that it also propelled to the top ranks on the list of philantropists in the world today. 3) Warren Buffet used his move last year to get people to notice him . 4) Coca Cola, 7 up and the many companies we grew up knowing in Nigeria have been doing this; using this means to get people to buy there products while raising money for causes and suddenly it is evil when procter and gamble does exactly the same?? come on!!! IT IS CALLED FUND RAISING AND ADVERTISING/MARKETING AND there is no law against companies selling products as way of raising money to help fund causes. Society understands this. Since you have better laws, I still ask you how much have you raised for these people. It is easy to sit in the comfort of your own home drinking your own PROCTER AND GAMBLE (or any other make) made juice in the comfort of your own home, comfortably wearing your hanes underwear or of any brand that was advertised to you, while pontificating when it comes to what others should be exposed to or not. I say go out there and prove you are not just full of hot air. |
Re: Mentrual Cycle Ad by Kobojunkie: 5:00am On Apr 07, 2008 |
debosky: Actually, since your opinion is based on nothing but a selfish approach to analysing the works of these groups, I see every reason to ask you how you arrived at it being 1) UNETHICAL 2) NOT in good taste Since this would mean you have made yourself the judge of what is ethical and what is of good taste. But as in the real world you are not, I have every right to ask you what you have done compared to what they are doing. I do not have to be a spokes person to understand that as long as you are not involved and you do not have actual information on what is going on with the project or not, you can not make judgements on the actual work itself or even the ad being ethical or not. Here is a clue for you If Mr A claims to know what is ethical or of good taste, Mr B has every right to ask by what standard or rule. If Mr A does not produce these rules, then Mr B is to be skeptical of what Mr A has to offer in the lines of what is ethical or what is of good taste. And so, until Mr A provides some form of information to back up such claim, Mr B has every right to ask what Mr A has done to compare this to What X is doing, in order to understand where Mr A may actually be coming from. So in this case, either you start tooting your horn or something about how you are doing some work and how you came to the conclusion that what the company is doing is UNETHICAL and NOT IN GOOD Taste, I say you are the one who needs to find another thread where you can feel free to pontificate all you want. |
Re: Mentrual Cycle Ad by Kobojunkie: 5:15am On Apr 07, 2008 |
http://travellingspouse..com/2007/11/tampax-and-always-for-whose-benefit.html Here is a blog by someone else on this issue ,
Yep, instead of Procter and Gamble, we should have BOOTS giving exactly the same to the kids. LMAO!!! following this logic, what is the difference I just had to add this line here. What about the cost of this and the potential hygiene problems?? , “because of potential hygiene issues, using a reusable menstrual product that gets inserted into the body requires additional education and “processing” such as cleaning the cup with boiled water. Additionally, we are culturally sensitive to potential taboos with young girls using an insertable product.”
Yep, these people are too poor to afford pads and so their is really no need for them to be given pads even if to help them now and hopefully help them secure a better future in the process and be able to afford pads then, even if chances are high they would not only buy PROCTER AND GAMBLE brands, nice!!! LMAO!!! |
Re: Mentrual Cycle Ad by Kobojunkie: 5:22am On Apr 07, 2008 |
Out of fear of capitalism, we should tell these kids not to drink the clean water offered them but have them continue drinking from dirty sources instead. No need for them to think about hygiene and cleanliness at all since they are poor and do not need to care about such , (snickers!!!) LMAO!! I guess the morals in China and pakistan are not as high as those in Africa. LMAO!!!
[b] Now let's read what EVIL ANSWER PROCTER AND GAMBLE will give[b]
OH THE HORROR!!!! |
Re: Mentrual Cycle Ad by tpia: 5:29am On Apr 07, 2008 |
@ debosky Granted people are poor in Africa who cannot afford sanitary towels, but why use it to guilt-trip people into buying a particular product? I believe that form of advertising is ethically questionable. If Always/Procter & Gamble wanted to do some CSR or humanitarian work, they should not link it to the sales of a product. They can ask for donations or set up a trust fund. this issue is about the quality of life, Debosky. its not the govt's job to provide sanitary pads for the citizens, but it would be a good thing if the citizens could afford some dignity in their lives. A simple dignity like being able to buy sanitary pads goes a long way for people who are too poor to buy such things, normally. I'm sure you personally would never date anyone who used rags during their period or couldnt afford sanitary pads. Nor would you offer to supply a girl with such things. Since a lot of the national cake goes abroad to maintain the higher standard of living, then people abroad should be reminded of the need in other places. The US alone gulps an excessively large amount of the world's resources, while Africa on the other hand gets extremely little of the finished product. |
Re: Mentrual Cycle Ad by Kobojunkie: 5:32am On Apr 07, 2008 |
Pads to save or trash Africa http://www.geocities.com/mytafadhali/mommypads.htm
I am going to take a wild guess and say this person may consider it more ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY to leave these girls to their fate rather than help them with problems that may be in their way of getting a good education and living a better life, LMAO!!!
yet another Business to the rescue , lol. Oh the evil named Capitalism !!!! Notice how she did not jump to helping until she heard another was helping, only not doing it the right way ( according to her)
Needlelady, this is a site for you should you want to use your needle skills to provide "REUSABLE PADS" for these ladies instead of having Procter and Gamble do the work, LMAO!! http://www.geocities.com/mytafadhali/mommypads.htm Put your needle and your sewing skills to work already and talk to me when you have sent a couple of them , LMAO!!! Get to SEWING WOMAN!!! |
Re: Mentrual Cycle Ad by Needlelady(f): 7:06am On Apr 07, 2008 |
It's funny how Kobojunkie keeps browsing for pros of this utopian business charity without posting the cons? Your argument is so lopsided. |
Re: Mentrual Cycle Ad by Kobojunkie: 1:24pm On Apr 07, 2008 |
Needlelady: Did you even bother to spend time reading any of those articles before jumping to post a response?? Why did I post my opinions on each if they are so PRO?? |
Re: Mentrual Cycle Ad by debosky(m): 1:44am On Apr 08, 2008 |
First of all Kobo for someone who seems to be irritated when people misread his posts or impute meanings to what he says, you have a real knack of doing the same thing. you have already concluded the 'reason behind my opinion'? You must be a mind reader as well as being prescient. Pray tell who is the judge of the ethics of a particular thing except the person viewing it? Obviously you have a problem comprehending what I wrote so let me restate it here: I believe companies should SEPARATE any charitable activities from their PRIMARY BUSINESS. In MY VIEW combining both is unethical and leaves many grey areas for abuse and mismanagement while creating an impression of 'doing good'. Is that good enough a reason for you? I said it is in 'bad taste' - obviously that is the TASTE of the campaign to me, another personal completely valid point of view, regardless of what you think. What is the 'information' I need about the project? Are they spending even HALF of the $1.4m of the campaign to 'help' the poor girls in Africa? You are obviously quite taken in by them already, no need to argue that. You may believe that 'any action' including dubious ones are acceptable, but I do not. The point here is not really about whether they carry out some token gesture to elicit some pity, it goes down to the real intent. P&G can do whatsoever they want to from their $10.3b profits without trying to wind people up. I am not against their profitability, but don't try to fool people that you NEED them to buy your products to do something. @ tpia I wouldn't date someone who used cloth tampons? What do you think I do - I go on a date and ask for a girl's tampon history? How do you know if I would offer to supply or not? You don't even know anything about what I do or don't do. I agree that it is a matter of dignity and a matter the World should be concerned about, but the MANNER of this appeal/help appears dubious to me and aimed at creating a false facade that the company truly cares when its just trying to milk sympathy to make profits. I am not against the actions themselves, many companies carry out social acts, but by tying it to someone buying your products before you will do something? I have a problem with that. Either you do it as a corporate mission yourselves or don't bother. Bullfrog Energy in Ontario donates 10% of its profits to NGO's, not by luring consumers by showing pitiable pictures, It just does it! Other examples abound, and those are the kinds of initiatives I believe in not this one. |
Re: Mentrual Cycle Ad by Ndipe(m): 4:24am On Apr 08, 2008 |
Debosky, I totally agree with the points you raised on the board, and somehow, I am kind of caught in the middle between the motives of Procter and Gamble on if their decision is purely humanitarian or driven by corporate profits. The same tactics are adopted by some companies too in the USA. Like during the Breast cancer awareness period, you would hear of companies like Avon (I think) and at least several others getting involved and promising to donate some proceeds from the sales of their product into breast cancer research. (Read the criticism here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pink_ribbon#Critical_movements). One of the corporate executives of Estee Lauder, Evelyn Lauder is a breast cancer survivor. Other companies have delved into worthy causes, like raising awareness of domestic violence in the community, and sometimes, an appeal is made, usually by patronizing their products because, it will be used to fund such programs. Now, what are the motives? A move characterized by genuine PR or a false move motivated to drum up profits for the companies. Well, as the adage says, "Half a loaf is better than none". And the girls lacking sanitary pads in African will most likely agree with me. Thought provoking question though@debosky. |
Re: Mentrual Cycle Ad by debosky(m): 11:20pm On Apr 08, 2008 |
Thanks Ndipe for showing you can actually think through what I have posted. I am not against the 'half loaf' they are giving, but on an ethical level, is it commensurate with what they are spending to advertise or what they are making from these so called 'charity initiatives'? In my opinion, let a separate NGO be funded transparently to whatever extent P&G wants, without these sales pitches, and then see what will happen. American Idol asks people to give for a good cause, it doesn't say until you watch our show, we won't do anything. I do not support these mixed business+charity approaches for reasons I've outlined. Some people will benefit no doubt, but I fear this is more about corporate profits and milking people's sympathy rather than any genuine drive to make a difference. I honestly hope I am wrong, but I doubt it. |
Re: Mentrual Cycle Ad by Needlelady(f): 12:19am On Apr 09, 2008 |
In my opinion, let a separate NGO be funded transparently to whatever extent P&G wants, without these sales pitches, and then see what will happen. American Idol asks people to give for a good cause, it doesn't say until you watch our show, we won't do anything. I do not support these mixed business+charity approaches for reasons I've outlined. Some people will benefit no doubt, but I fear this is more about corporate profits and milking people's sympathy rather than any genuine drive to make a difference. I honestly hope I am wrong, but I doubt it. ditto |
Re: Mentrual Cycle Ad by Kobojunkie: 12:26am On Apr 09, 2008 |
P & G already works with NGO's to do the work. If you would all only spend time researching the work, you would find out that is what is happening. All it is doing with the AD is raising awareness and at the same time raising funds and marketing itself to people. If you read the article I posted above, you would understand that but I guess it is a matter of what one wants to believe instead. American idol actually uses it's show to advertise it's involvement in giving as well. If you do not watch the american idol show, chances are you would not know of the idol gives back giving program, and by the way, it has the american idol logo on the side of the screen everytime you are viewing the work being done. Even though American idol does not actually manufacture products, fact remains that it still uses it's idol give back project for marketing the American idol show( which happens to be America's idol's product). Same concept, Advertising, Marketing and fundraising all in the name of selling a product ( AMERICAN idol) and helping people as well. Same thing P and G is doing. Same thing Oprah does. Same thing Coca cola does. Same thing most all corporations do. Come on , it is called IDOLS GIVE BACK , it is registered as a part of
Isn't what is out there in bold exactly what P&G is doing?? harnessing P & G's ability to capture the attention and hearts of American consumer's to benefit some of the poorest and most vulnerable people in the world?? COME ON!!! |
Re: Mentrual Cycle Ad by Ajebota(f): 12:59am On Apr 09, 2008 |
oh please, b4 sanitary pads wer invented nko? didnt ppl use cloth and manage themselves, oh pls these money making fools shud spare me d b*llsh*t. As I am writing my volvic water bottle says 1L = 10L for Africa. If not that volvic is the only water that doesnt taste of chalk I would have latered their @$$e$. fools, |
Re: Mentrual Cycle Ad by Sisikill: 3:01am On Apr 09, 2008 |
Kobojunkie ((((((CLAPPING)))))))) Your posts were wonderfully on spot! The fact is there ARE girls in some parts of Africa who do miss school because of their periods and I doubt very much these girls are going. . . I am not going to use the Pads from ALWAYS because their motives for supplying them to me are less that altrustic. Just because some of us have the luxury of choosing between a pad (maxi with wings, slim fitting without wings, night-time with contours, day time with odor preventing strips), Tampons (long, short, easily insertable) and Tissues (2 ply, 4 ply, 204 ply) does not mean every one has that choice. Why do we now begrudge those who don't of getting pads just because our ignorant friends asks us if we missed school during our period? Honestly! Instead of getting mad at the P&G, why not educate your friends about Africa? You might want to start by clarifying the following 1) Africa is a Continent with many Countries with many States with many Cities and Villages. 2) No. . .we don't have lions as pet and the last time you saw one, it was at a game reserve. 3) We don't all live in mud houses 4) We don't wear leaf clothings 5) And we most certainly don't have tails. All the above are misconceptions about Africa and Africans they got from the media. . .through movies, Documentaries and even Ads. It saddens me that women who are supposed to empathize with these girls (having gone through it and all) are the ones raising holy hell. Not only that, but going as far as saying "Before sanitary pads were invented, women managed themselves". Yeah, there's no disputing that women did manage themselves. . .however, pads have been created to put an end to the "management". Tell me again, why we want to turn back the hands of time and have some people still managing in 2008? Oh right, I forgot. . .it's because some ignorant person asks us if we ever missed school during our period. |
Re: Mentrual Cycle Ad by Needlelady(f): 5:18am On Apr 09, 2008 |
oh please, before sanitary pads wer invented nko? didnt people use cloth and manage themselves, oh please these money making fools should spare me d b*llsh*t. As I am writing my volvic water bottle says 1L = 10L for Africa. If not that volvic is the only water that doesnt taste of chalk I would have latered their @$$e$. fools, Very soon, MTN, celtel etc will join the band wagon and their slogan will be: For every minute call you make, you'll be donating N1 to the kanu nwanko heart foundation or hunger fighting foundation of Nigeria. |
Re: Mentrual Cycle Ad by Kobojunkie: 5:23am On Apr 09, 2008 |
Needlelady: uuumm, you act like you have never bought the yoghurt with the pink ribbon at the store that tells you that if you send in the pink cap, $0.10 cents go to the national hearts foundation. JEEZZZZ people. Stop acting like you are oblivious of the fact that it has been going on for ages now. Heck, even LIVE AID 95 and the others were used for marketing Rock Muscians as well as helping raise funds to feed Ethiopia back in the day. Are you going to tell me that it was wrong for them to play a CONCERN and ask you to come see their concern so money raised can be used to feed those dying faces we saw like every day for months back in 1995?? |
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