Nella:

at leats some one uses her brain here!!

@buluti, u said i still havent't answerd your question, but it just seems 2 me that u haven't been reading nor understanding any thing i ve been writing ( bcuz if u have then by now u would know how 2 tell a fake speaking in toungues apart 4rom a real one!!). well i will explain againn!!

I'm judging u guys that claim 2 speak in toungues 4rom what i have seen of u!! i don't care if u speak in toungues in your closet or in your bathroom or just where ever!! if u guys n your Church claim 2 really speak in toungues, n if u claim that it is realy of God, then y don't u do it according to the principles of d Holy bible?!?!?!?!

2 your question: I say it is fake bcuz like i said above u claim 2 speak in toungues n also that it is from God, but yet u don't do it according to the principles n teachins of d Bible! , 4 Paul in d Bible has showed u n pointed out 2 u clearly some things which you're JUST not 2 do if u speak in toungues, n if u claim 2 speak in toungues n that it is 4rom God, u will obviously respect n go by this principles!! but if not,,,,,,,,,,,,well then your so called " Speaking in toungues is not of God"!!!! = it's fake!

well u mentioned that it is not when you're in Church that u realy speak in toungues right?? but yet u do speak in toungues( d fake one of course) while in d Church don't u!??!?!? n d ones i ve seen was quite more than five min!!
i go back 2 my point again, which is if u guys claim 2 speak in toungues, y don't u do it according 2 how d Bibles teaches u to ?
( i direct my statements mostly 2 your Churches, bcuz d ones i ve seen r in d Churches)
4 d bible stated out CLEARLY 2 u n your Church telling u that if ye come 2gether n ye all believe, then there is no need 4 you to speak in toungues!!
( which annoys me bcuz ye all claim 2 believe, n 2 also speak in toungues, but u never do, practicly nuthing according to the teachings of d Bible!) 4 if u guys n your Church realy speak in toungues as u claim 2 do, then u would absolutely do it according to the teachins of d Holy Bible!! but as u don't do this, well then i simply consider u all FAKERS!!!

D most annoying part is when in a church u all just start talking n blabing out some rubbish n shouting ontop of your voices!!!! CLAIMING 2 SPEAK IN TOUNGUES!!! NON-SENSE!!!

23: " If there the whole Church be come together into one place, and all speak in toungues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelivers, will they not say that ye are mad? "
if u guys realy claim 2 speak in toungues then y do u never look at this teaching 4 Paul during his time on Earth laid it out plain n clearly to the future people who may recive this gift of Speaking in toungues, telling n teaching em what n what not 2 do if u speak in toungues, if u guys realy speak in toungues then u would follow this teachings, n not go doing things your own way!!!

well @ Buluti, do u understand now y i consider u guys fake Speaker?!?!?
U guys simply don't do it as d Bible tells you to!! once again: 4 Paul during his time on Earth laid it out plain n clearly to the future people who may recive this gift of Speaking in toungues, telling n teaching em what n what not 2 do if u speak in toungues, if u guys realy speak in toungues then u would follow this teachings, n not go doing things your own way!!

Nella:

I'm judging u guys that claim 2 speak in toungues 4rom what i have seen of u!! i don't care if u speak in toungues in your closet or in your bathroom or just where ever!! if u guys n your Church claim 2 really speak in toungues, n if u claim that it is realy of God, then y don't u do it according to the principles of d Holy bible?!?!?!?!

well @ Buluti, do u understand now y i consider u guys fake Speaker?!?!?
U guys simply don't do it as d Bible tells you to!! once again: 4 Paul during his time on Earth laid it out plain n clearly to the future people who may recive this gift of Speaking in toungues, telling n teaching em what n what not 2 do if u speak in toungues, if u guys realy speak in toungues then u would follow this teachings, n not go doing things your own way!!

Katigurl:

Seriously you people who claim 2 speak in toungues, absolutely lack SIMPLE understandingof d Scriptures!!! pray 2 God 4 one!! ( seriously, i'm serious!! )

syrup:

Verse 39: "Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues."

goodguy:

Speaking in tongues, to my own understanding, is not some kind of magical recitation or incantation of random syllables, as is clearly visible in the pentecostal churches of today.  They try to make one believe that they speak in "mysteries", using 1 Cor 14:2 as a back up.  But that verse, indeed, has been widely erroneously interpreted, even by the most ardent Bible-thumping folks, claiming to be born again.

Let's reason together here.  What really is the essence of speaking in tongues if the unbeliever will only end up more confused and more unconvinced? 

Anyway, I am not in any position to label anyone a liar if they claim to speak in tongues since they say they are talking out of experience.

buluti:

goodguy thanx for your piece which is devoid of insults and sarcasism, its really a good trait and God bless you.

buluti:

My question: Do you believe the gift of speaking in tongues is manifest in todays church,

buluti:

you made a reference to those who claim to be born again, do you claim to be born again yourself because i also noticed you used the word unbeliever.

buluti:

A little clarification to your post. The fact that some blab random syllables i agree occurs doesnt suggest that some do not actually genuinely receive the gift.

goodguy:

Let's leave 'me' out of this for now. My reference to unbelievers there is solely based on the Scriptures - 1 Cor 14:22.

Now, my own question: You claim to speak in tongues. What I will like to know is this: Can/Do you interprete whatever you speak in tongues? If you can't/don't, have you ever prayed for the gift of Interpretation, as Paul admonished?

goodguy:

Now, my own question: You claim to speak in tongues. What I will like to know is this: Can/Do you interprete whatever you speak in tongues? If you can't/don't, have you ever prayed for the gift of Interpretation, as Paul admonished?

About 4 years back, I was a in a youth gathering, and there was a Christian motivational speaker. As usual, his words uplifted me internally and I was really flowing with him. But the problem set in when we went into a prayer session and everyone was required to "pray in tongues". At first, I was confused, as I had never spoken in tongues before. As if he knew what my problem was, he then asked everyone of us to just open our mouths and begin to utter anything that comes to the mouth at that moment. There I stood for minutes, with my mouth wide open - nothing happened. Then I tried mimicking my friends who were apparently rapping in random syllables (they later confirmed this because they all joked about it after the programme). But after a shortwhile, I stopped and realised that the whole thing did not make sense at all, because the Muslims among us were also required to speak in tongues. I then started praying to my God in simple English language that I myself could understand.

What is my point, you ask?

This act of speaking in tongues has been seriously basterdized by the modern day church, and millions of Christians over the world have been made to believe that rapping in random syllables is indeed the true way to speak in tongues, under the guise of "speaking in mysteries" or some "angelic language". Some are even made to believe that only those with the Holy Spirit can speak in tongues, and that those that do not speak in tongues do not have the Holy Spirit.

However, my own understanding of the Holy Scripture on this issue of speaking in tongues stems from 1 Corinthians chapter 14.

1. Speaking in tongues is meant to serve as a sign to the unbelievers --> 1 Cor 14:22

Let's go back to Acts Chapter 2. There, we'll see that the speaking of other tongues by the apostles led to the conversion of about 3000 people that very day. Apparently, the speaking of the tongues served as a sign to the unbelievers that got converted.

In today's churches, how many people get converted by the Pastor's/members' speaking of tongues?

2. Speaking in tongues is meant for the edification of the church, and not for some spirituality show-off. And that's why Paul said this in 1 Cor 14:19: "But in the church I would rather speak five intelligible words to instruct others than ten thousand words in a tongue."

So what really is speaking in tongues all about? In Acts 2: 4 - 12, we were made to understand that those that spoke in tongues, spoke in other languages that other people could hear and understand.

Speaking in tongues, to my own understanding, is not some kind of magical recitation or incantation of random syllables, as is clearly visible in the pentecostal churches of today. They try to make one believe that they speak in "mysteries", using 1 Cor 14:2 as a back up. But that verse, indeed, has been widely erroneously interpreted, even by the most ardent Bible-thumping folks, claiming to be born again.

Speaking in tongues, to my own understanding, simply means speaking in other languages. Full Stop! There's absolutely nothing more to it.

The Greek translation of 1 Cor 14:2 explains explicitly what Paul meant by "unknown tongues". Bobbyaf is indeed right by saying "unknown" is an applied word. In Greek, the phrase "unknown tongue" is "glossa" or "gloce-sah'", which means "a language (specially, one naturally unacquired)".

And talking of "mysteries", other Bible translations use "secret", which simply means that the one who speaks in another language is simply saying things that are secret or mysterious to the rest of the church, but only known to God, hence, the need for an interpreter/interpretation so that the church may be edified, as the "tongue speaker" edifies himself alone at that moment.

goodguy:

This act of speaking in tongues has been seriously basterdized by the modern day church, and millions of Christians over the world have been made to believe that rapping in random syllables is indeed the true way to speak in tongues, under the guise of "speaking in mysteries" or some "angelic language". Some are even made to believe that only those with the Holy Spirit can speak in tongues, and that those that do not speak in tongues do not have the Holy Spirit. And of course, not leaving out those that teach that speaking in tongues is something you learn to do. The funnier thing is how most people that speak in tongues always seem to be following the same cadence in their deceptive raps.

good resasoning goodguy!!

Bobbyaf:

@ Goodguy

In my discourse with Pentecostals and other charismatic christians they make me feel as if I don't have the Holy Spirit. If one isn't careful one goes away feeling deficient, and anemic.

goodguy:

However, my own understanding of the Holy Scripture on this issue of speaking in tongues stems from 1 Corinthians chapter 14.

1. Speaking in tongues is meant to serve as a sign to the unbelievers --> 1 Cor 14:22

Let's go back to Acts Chapter 2. There, we'll see that the speaking of other tongues by the apostles led to the conversion of about 3000 people that very day. Apparently, the speaking of the tongues served as a sign to the unbelievers that got converted.

In today's churches, how many people get converted by the Pastor's/members' speaking of tongues?

2. Speaking in tongues is meant for the edification of the church, and not for some spirituality show-off. And that's why Paul said this in 1 Cor 14:19: "But in the church I would rather speak five intelligible words to instruct others than ten thousand words in a tongue."

So what really is speaking in tongues all about? In Acts 2: 4 - 12, we were made to understand that those that spoke in tongues, spoke in other languages that other people could hear and understand.

goodguy:

speaking in tongues, to my own understanding, is not some kind of magical recitation or incantation of random syllables, as is clearly visible in the pentecostal churches of today. They try to make one believe that they speak in "mysteries", using 1 Cor 14:2 as a back up. But that verse, indeed, has been widely erroneously interpreted, even by the most ardent Bible-thumping folks, claiming to be born again.

Speaking in tongues, to my own understanding, simply means speaking in other languages. Full Stop! There's absolutely nothing more to it.

goodguy:


Speaking in tongues, to my own understanding, is not some kind of magical recitation or incantation of random syllables, as is clearly visible in the pentecostal churches of today. They try to make one believe that they speak in "mysteries", using 1 Cor 14:2 as a back up. But that verse, indeed, has been widely erroneously interpreted, even by the most ardent Bible-thumping folks, claiming to be born again.

Speaking in tongues, to my own understanding, simply means speaking in other languages. Full Stop! There's absolutely nothing more to it.

goodguy:


So now, what does Paul say about interpretation or no interpretation? Different verses (1 Cor 14:5,6,13) show that Paul really advocates interpretation of tongues in the church for the edification of the church, though he's not against speaking in tongues (outside the church/gathering) without it. In vs 12, we'll see his reason for advocating it; which is, spiritual gifts are meant to build up (edify) the church. Come to think of it, what's the essence of having a spiritual gift if it's only going to be for your own edification? That is why he also says that even if you can't interprete, pray that you should interprete, so that the church may be edified. But if there will be no interpreter/interpretation, simply STFU!

No wonder he says in vs 5 that he prefers prophecies to speaking in tongues (in the absence of interpreter/intepretation).

Let's reason together here. What really is the essence of speaking in tongues if the unbeliever will only end up more confused and more unconvinced? Yes, that's what actually happens - they'll believe you're really out of your mind (vs 23), for what good will the speaking of tongues be to them, unless some revelation or knowledge or prophecy or word of instruction is brought to them (vs 6)?

Bobbyaf:

I must confess though, that whether or not persons agree on the subject at hand, the whole debate has been a blessing to me. I have no doubt that there are sincere persons in the fora who are searching for answers, and I am more than confident that God is willing to give us answers.

Shalom.

lent2007:

st paul says,there must be somebody to interpret as u speak in tongue.so people who speak in tongues and there is no interpretation are waisting there time and energy.i

nay_low:

Here we go with the ignorant Nigerian mentality o! There is speaking in tongues and speaking gibberish and Nigerians have mistaken incoherent babble for the language of the holy ghost.

I remember watching the most false of prophets called Anwuzia (Zoe Ministries) some years ago on TV where he went into one 'iski ribababa bobobo' and I thought he was joking until a cousin said he was speaking in tongues. I coud not believe it. But then in a land of gullibles little wonder Nigerians and there money are easily parted.

speaking in tongues ko, speaking in nose ni