This thread is a merged to make one. I will speak in general and criticize one person. The basis of the criticism will be presented.

For any thread to be successful, educational, informational or recreational, it must have a proposition. In many cases, it continues in that momentum. Mostly, due to the quality of content. If the content is flawed, twisted or completely out of line, then an anti-proposition is induced to offset. This principle is not limited to a thread gone err but also a perfectly normal thread. This is so to streamline or refine.

Propositions/anti-propositions is no condition for ban neither is it an act of derailment. It is called "communication." Car-talk’s moderator calls this “derailing the thread.” It is unpractical in a civilized zone/society to act as an authoritarian. Worse, when the authoritarian is one-sided. Isolating the authoritarian characteristic, he is not subject to criticism; which on its own accord gives no room for improvement(s). Rather, you get insults, post-suppression and eventually be banned. This is after the fact that he knows it all and is an authority to speak on anything. It is quite interesting to understand the many “dimensions” of being civil.


I am not making an appeal; neither am I impressed. This is by no means a rant.


https://www.nairaland.com/1206432/funny-things-non-car-enthusiasts-say#14472310

Ikenna351: A non petrolhead or a non car enthusiast would always say some funny, annoying

or embarrassing things about cars, out of ignorance, or sometimes because some are not ready to learn.

Below is a simply way to know them when they speak:


*All German Cars are RWD.

*All V6 engines are problematic.

*All German cars consume excess fuel.

*All Japanese cars dont consume fuel at all(As if they run water in their fuel tank).

*Give a non petrolhead a BMW and he would say "It's just a car".

* A non petrolhead would tell you "Your car is old, why dont you sell it and get something modern or

flashy?" Of course, you could reply him with "Your car is boring, why don't you get rid of it and get

something fun to drive?" Lol!



Add yours.


Ikenna.

I personally took offense to this and was subsequently banned. There are people not apt to the motor vehicle. They are not stupid neither are they lazy. In the quotes, references are made to:

*Annoying things about cars (in reference to speech)
*Funny things (in reference to speech)
*Embarrassing things (in reference to speech)

The above points were stated as by-products of ignorance and unwillingness to learn. This is also regarded as cooning.

Contrary to what many might think, I am not a car-enthusiast. So, I fall under the category of non-car enthusiast.


The miscalculation that recoiled is the thought-less reference to identification/status; petrol-head.

To avoid personal interpretation, the dictionary definition will be used.

Petrol-head – A member of a wider class of people often known as bogans.
Bogan – (slang) something of poor quality
Bogan – (slang, derogatory) A person perceived to be unsophisticated or of a lower class background
Bogan – (slang, derogatory) a petrolhead

With the dictionary definitions, there is nothing “cool” about such a title. The reverse is the case when arrogance is in place and google is your friend, the thread is one-sided and the power to ban oppositions (especially at 4:19AM).

56+ posts have been suppressed and the title is evidence of great lengths to mask the mess that already started.

Subsequently, counter-proportions was suppressed and deemed as derailment.

-------------------------THE CLEVER THINGS “CAR-ENTHUSIASTS” SAY

-------------------------------------------or

-------------------------THE CLEVER THINGS PETROL-HEADS SAY

It has never been wrong to critique an individual. A wise person will mould him/herself and discard what’unprofitable.

These were from the first few pages of his profile. I perceive this individual to be the “top-predator” in this senseless chain.


Below are a few excerpt:

https://www.nairaland.com/1198525/euro-american-vs-asian-cars/2#14372372

Ikenna351: @ Ikeyman00,

Honda is another good Japs i forgot to mention. I have driven Accord V6 2001 (Babyboy) & Accord V6 2004

(EOD). Very quick cars, except if one can live with their front swivel/ball joint and auto transmission

issues.

If i were to choose between Honda Accord and Toyota Camry of any model year, I would pick Accord

without a blink. But then, considering how hard i push my car on highway, i wouldnt want to end up with

a car that its wheel ball joint will give up on high speed while jumping potholes on our highways.

The truth is, Japs cars are reliable cars, when carefully handled or used and when well maintained.

When used as daily driver, they hardly give the owners headaches. But once you start pushing them

around anyhow like one can do to a Euro car and get away with it, they will start falling apart very

quickly. They are just everyday car for non petrolheads who are after point A to point B. But may God

help you when the follow come parts starts failing, the mechanics and parts sellers will now be the

people to enjoys your salary or monthly income, since you will have to be replacing those parts every

now and then. You can ask Toyota owners how many times they replace their shock absorbers in a year.

Some dont even bother replacing them anymore.

Ikenna.

Baloney. Honda of Japan must have omitted one integral aspect of the corporation’s structure. That is the “quality control/quality assurance.” From this reference, it is safe to assume Honda does not comply with regulations and/or international standards; it fails to hold well under “questionable” velocity and unsuitable in conflicting terrains.

The paragraph on Japanese cars is oxy-slowpoke. In addition to oxy-slowpoke, you will be pushing your luck explaining this to anyone with the assumption of getting away with it.

It will be helpful to have a complete understanding to the term “petrol-head.”


https://www.nairaland.com/newpost?post=14378348&topic=1198525

Ikenna351:

I wasnt referring to the CV (constant velocity) joint, but what Peugeot calls front wheel swivel.

Generally, its called ball joint, whicle Nigerian mechanics call it bore joint.

The ball joint Honda issue is peculiar to Accord 2001 (Babyboy) & Accord 2004 (EOD). If they could pull

out on a smooth road, what happens then when am on highspeed with one and jump a deep pothole and it

decides to pull out at that time? No be mortuary be dat? I want and need a car that will be strong and

rugged enough to withstand the condition of our highways, no matter how hard i push them on such roads.

Of course, you cant swerve out of all the potholes on highspeed. Some, you will have no option than to

drive on them on such speed. What happens when you jump them depends on the car and probably how good

you are behind the wheels. But if your ball joint pulls out, even James Bond cannot stop the car from

swerving into the bush. What happens after depends on how good your God loves you or still wants you to

live.

Ikenna.

Honda of Japan must be on some manufacturing paradigm shift. According to the quote relative to this response, Honda must have flopped on physical prototyping, probably skipped the hardware tests, negated production inspections and did not bother with performance and reliability evaluation. Yet, their revenue per year is almost 950 trillion; they do more research on engines than many Japanese rivals. It’s been a stand-a-lone corporation for six decades; yet Honda hasn’t figured [quite] how its product would hold-up well in uneven terrain.


https://www.nairaland.com/1198525/euro-american-vs-asian-cars/2#14365597

Ikenna351: Now my own turn.

From what I have gathered here, I think reliability, durability & performance of Euro/American vs Asian

cars depends on the car owner or the driver.

RELIABILITY:
A Euro car owner may see his car as a reliable one, while a japs or Asian car owner sees it as a

nightmare that must be avoided at all cost. A Euro car owner, who may have to order a part from outside

to replace a failed component, may not see it as an issue or termed it unreliable, even if it takes it

days or weeks to put the car back on the road and continue the fun where it stopped, as long as he is

certain that it will take him years or decades to replace that part again. But he may see a Jap car

that visits clown workshop every now and then, for a particular part to be changed over and over again,

for failing every week, a month or every quarter, as unreliable. The same way, a Japs owner would find

it an omen to have a car that stays in a garage a week or more before it get fixed; would prefer a car

that he/she would have to spend a penny to replace a particular constant failing part, even if he/she

has to be resuming work at clowns/mechanics workshop every day to replace one failed part or the other

before ending up at office. So to him or her, as long as he/she is always behind the wheels and the car

is always moving, whether from home to mechanic every day or weekend, he regards it "A reliable car".

For someone like me, I would find a car I don't get to be opening the bonnet to do something once in a

while, as a boring one. I cant live with such a car. Even when nothing is wrong, I would always want to

check to see if I must find something that needed attention. I just love working on my car. So, any car

that refuses to give me a reason to open the hood will definitely seize to me mine soon. Its not for

me.

PERFORMANCE:
There was this 2006 Toyota Corolla, Sports model "S" (American spec) of a cousin I used to drive then

in Abuja. A nice car. Average quickness for its engine and body size. It was supposed to be a sports

version of the Corolla of that model year. Unfortunately, the car lacks 4 wheel disc brake. The rear

brake is drum. Who in his right senses would install a drum brake in a car and call it sports version?

How would I push such a car hard as I do with mine since it lacked a matching brake? Why cant they just

get something right? So I never bothered to push it hard on Abuja expressways, since I wont like to

miss my next birthday.

There was this Lexus of a colleague of mine (not sure of the model year, but it was the '90s model). A

V6 one. Whenever I was the one driving, the car would feel heavy, meaning good for highway. Good

steering wheel feedback. But then, the most boring car I have ever driven! Am not joking. Couldn't tell

if it was because it was auto tranny or just because the car lacked soul. To a point, I was like "no

thank you". I preferred sitting as a passenger than driving some tortoise. A durable car though, since

the odometer was more than 300k miles, still on the original engine and the body still intact, no rust.

Toyota Camry 2003 I4 (Big for Nothing). I have driven the car twice. Not too quick, but ok. Very roomy.

Enough leg room space. Unfortunately, the most uninspiring dashboard I have ever seen.

Have driven a lot of Nissan cars. The most quickest Japs I have ever driven. Even their smaller cars

are quick too. But when it comes to putting stunts on their wheels, they start misbehaving. Typical

japs! But I believe Skyline would be the best of them. I respect Nissan for producing that Beast.

Benz W124 (V-boot). Mehnn! Am not a Benz fan, but the very first day I drove that car, I was so

impressed, even though it was an I4 (facelifted), very sluggish in movement though (thanks to auto

transmission). But the car was awesome. The stability of the car on high speed was something else. The

steering feel? Ahhh! Love the smoothness as it steered the wheel. Even though it was an old school;

even though it wasn't a quick car, but I enjoyed every bit of moment I was behind that wheel. Well

engineered car!

Its obvious that a V6 Benz, Audi, Peugeot or BMW its never the same with a V6 Toyota, Honda or Nissan

of the same model year cars. A japs I4 & V6 usually have the same simple electrics and mechanicals,

except the engines of course. But for the 4 mentioned Euro cars, their V6s or V8s have different more

complex electrics and mechanicals with their I4 counterparts: Different suspensions (electronically

controlled, etc), different Power assisted steering, advanced complex electronics to enhance the

performance, etc.



DURABILITY:
Every car can last as long as the owner wants it. Japs car can last for 40 years and above, with the

original engine. Likewise the Euro or American ride. It all depends on how good the owner is with

maintenance, style of driving and abuse.

Though, an Asian car cannot be driven or pushed as hard as most Euro cars, if the owner wants it to

last that long. Make that mistake and her days will be numbered. They are deigned to be softly handled

or driven

It appears most Nigerians do not know when there vehicles are faulty or not. You hear everyday "this

brand is reliable, this brand drives forever". But then I come out everyday, see people's cars puffing

out all kinds of colors of smoke from their exhaust. As long as its moving and its not stalling or

jerking, the car is fine.




So, there you have mine.

Ikenna

This is a mess! There is a field in engineering called “reliability engineering.” There is another field in engineering called “durability engineering.” The specialists in each of the aforementioned fields are reliability engineers and durability engineers respectively.

Reliability has irreconcilable differences with durability. To use them interchangeably is unacceptable. The references to these engineering approaches do not make sense in any way.

Ikenna351: Now my own turn

PERFORMANCE:
There was this 2006 Toyota Corolla, Sports model "S" (American spec) of a cousin I used to drive then

in Abuja. A nice car. Average quickness for its engine and body size. It was supposed to be a sports

version of the Corolla of that model year. Unfortunately, the car lacks 4 wheel disc brake. The rear

brake is drum. Who in his right senses would install a drum brake in a car and call it sports version?

How would I push such a car hard as I do with mine since it lacked a matching brake? Why cant they just

get something right? So I never bothered to push it hard on Abuja expressways, since I wont like to

miss my next birthday.

There was this Lexus of a colleague of mine (not sure of the model year, but it was the '90s model). A

V6 one. Whenever I was the one driving, the car would feel heavy, meaning good for highway. Good

steering wheel feedback. But then, the most boring car I have ever driven! Am not joking. Couldn't tell

if it was because it was auto tranny or just because the car lacked soul. To a point, I was like "no

thank you". I preferred sitting as a passenger than driving some tortoise. A durable car though, since

the odometer was more than 300k miles, still on the original engine and the body still intact, no rust.

Toyota Camry 2003 I4 (Big for Nothing). I have driven the car twice. Not too quick, but ok. Very roomy.

Enough leg room space. Unfortunately, the most uninspiring dashboard I have ever seen.

Ikenna

Do you know how brakes work? Have you ever designed and logged data to a spreadsheet and create a graphical relationship?

The engineers were in their right senses when the configuration was concluded upon. There are many factors and considerations that led to that setup. It is called “The Toyota Way.” The world has taken that approach now and no company is wasting.

Nobody has complained once about the Corolla being incapable of stopping. The Corolla is comparable to the Mustang.


The notion that a car feels heavy is good for the highway carries no weight. That [indeed] is funny. Funny; besides the fact as untrue, it never happened. Lexus at that time was not heavy and fuel consumption was well lower than alternative near-luxury vehicles of the time. The Lexus models were able to skip the gas guzzler taxes imposed upon the MSRP.

I’ve always questioned your definition of performance; then again, you are the “realist.” A Lexus giving good steering feedback is also another interesting disappointment. Buyers that choose Lexus do not want steering feedback.


https://www.nairaland.com/1200347/fwd-vs-rwd-which-better/2#14396943

Ikenna351:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rear-wheel_drive#Rear_wheel_drive_layouts


Ikenna.

How does one conclude upon such write-up as a measure?! The article is stereotypical with out-dated conclusions. In addition to that, it is poorly written, biased in opinion and has no scientific facts to it or engineering references. In my personal opinion, the article is deemed useless as a form of study. It is lengthy with no substance.


https://www.nairaland.com/1200347/fwd-vs-rwd-which-better/2#14430921

Ikenna351:

Thats a big advantage RWD has over FWD car. Its very predictable when you find yourself in an

understeer situation. You can always control the situation and bring it back to the normal position

with throttle, unlike the FWD that will take you right into the bush. Sorry about your D8.

Ikenna.

Untrue! Especially in a production car. In an understeer situation, gently lift-off and mildly apply the brakes to regain control. The above information is not only misinformation but deception. This is a safety issue. Engineering sectors must always uphold international standards and local regulations. Any production car that must be manufactured for road-going use, a safety standard is understeer when a certain percentage of the car’s limit has been exceeded. Instinctively, you slam on the brakes. Cars fitted with electronic stability will cut-back on power and apply brakes to restore vehicle mannerism relative to the conditions in question. According to international standards, all drive layouts must meet a minimum standard suitable for road-use and must be predictable under wide-ranges of panic. All that front-wheel/rear-wheel statement is fantasy and google-rhetoric.


https://www.nairaland.com/1200347/fwd-vs-rwd-which-better/3#14431217

Ikenna351: Oh! I forgot to add. With RWD, you can swing the car tail several times, as

long as you know how to play with your throttle pedal. But with FWD, my hand no dey there o!

Ikenna

I am very much interested on how this feat is accomplished on a standard production road-going car (standard models). The words used are “several times.”


https://www.nairaland.com/1206417/car-coolant#14497101

Ikenna351:

The TOTAL coolant contains Mono-ethylene-glycol which is good and recommended compound for engines or

cooling systems. Google it and find out.

Even if you are not going to use the TOTAL green coolant, make sure whichever brand you choose contains

the Mono-ethylene-glycol.

By the way, on the TOTAL coolant label, it reads "Not compatible with silicate formulation". It also

stated on the label "contains no Nitrate, phosphate or amine". I dont know if that answers your

question.

I dont know about Honda, but i know that Peugeot recommends TOTAL coolant for their cars.

Ikenna.

The subscriber responded to was correct, initially. Another google reference.


https://www.nairaland.com/1206417/car-coolant#14497101

Ikenna351:

I know nothing about others colours of coolant. I only know of the green one which works perfectly in

my car.

Ikenna.

It’s obvious, especially when coolant is not antifreeze and the explanations thereof.


https://www.nairaland.com/1200347/fwd-vs-rwd-which-better/1#14396109

Ikenna351:

What about donut or drifting? Can a FWD car drift as good as RWD cars? Can FWD car even drift at all?

Not all stunts can be done with FWD, you know, especially one of the best stunts: drifting/donut.

Ikenna.

Coming from a “car enthusiast” that is perpetually on the performance edge; pushing the car at limits.


https://www.nairaland.com/1200347/fwd-vs-rwd-which-better/1#14396663

Ikenna351:

There is no fun in that type. I was referring to the type you play with the pedals only. Youngboss,

have you ever in a RWD car, when its stationary, turn the car front to face back the road it was

backing before, without the 2 front tyres moving an inch? The very first day i did it, it was

unintentional. I was in an open field, the engine was running, i wanted to move and turn the car

quickly (to catch some fun). As i was gradually turning the steering wheel, i released the clutch and

floored the throttle pedal. The car tail just pushed outward from the right until i saw myself facing

the other side (opposite direction), without the front tyres moving . I didnt touch the brake pedal,

nothing. The experience was so exciting that i did it over and over again. Since then, i never looked

back. Since then, i started trying out other stunts. That was when i realized the goodies RWD offers,

other than just driving, which i never explored before then.

Ikenna.

Allow me to introduce the realist and the practicing engineer. The performance guru indeed and the stunt driver.

The driver indeed must be using a different standard of specification technology. I am curious to know (and the world as well) how the fore-wheels were fixed in constraint and you encompassed about it. I guess the natural law/principle was busy or took a vacation to accomplish such claims. As stated in the quotes – “Since then, i never looked back. Since then, i started trying out other stunts.” These was the awakening to the rear-wheel setup and performance “stunt.”

This is exactly what you get from a person that thinks he knows it all and when reproved, you get insulted and ultimately banned.


What I have come to conclude upon in NL is the disrespect to choices, unpractical advices and wannabe status.
For instance:

* The four cylinders are bad or underpowered
* The V-6 is a better car
* Japanese cars handle poorly
* European cars are better built than Asians
* FrontWD lack handling agility
* RearWD is the way to go. More handling!
-- and so on.

Besides the fact these claims are stupid, this is not a dedicated thread. It's a different issue if it was a 350Z forum. It is not so. There are NL'ders amongst us that drive Asian cars, frontWD and will not compromise for a V-6. Due to several factors. Factors that are (but not limited to) socio-economic, part/resource availability. It is not a poor choice to use a car for a decade without replacing a single part or component. It is also logical that a car which returns good fuel consumption is worth the consideration. It is saddening to come across threads where NL'ders are looking for M3's, AMG's and other track-oriented hybrids for Nigerian soil without examining the overall costs partly because the forum has demonised what is appropriate. Cars are not investments.


Above all, some amongst us (in this forum - CarTalk) are aspiring mechanics, automotive engineers or journalists. It will be best to render support in whatever little way possible. It is also not a good thing to publish Nigerian mechanics as bad while it is conditionally true. I have learnt so much from NL and many isn't true; It is out for the world to read. Incompetent mechanics should not be patronised. Competent mechanics would appreciate referrals. It is a very subtle reward but it goes a long way.

seems there's a problem btw Trac and Ikenna.... well I think its left to Mr. Sienna to mediate!

Trac, with all due respect, where did u get that derogatory definition of a 'petrol-head'?
According to the cambridge dictionary; petrolhead
noun [C] /ˈpet.rəlˌhed/ UK
informal
Definition
› someone who likes and
uses their car a lot, and
does not want to use any
other type of transport.

Or is the context of the term subjective?

well Trac,
you have said alot here, i do not support the idea of people's comments dissapearing. It's frustrating to a large extent...
But i have a contrary view on your statement about people's choice of the M3 or the AMG. I do not think there's anything wrong to want an AMG or an M3, in south Africa, they have M3s there...this being Nigeria doesn't make a difference. I personally want an M3 and an AMG...it's nothing bad or sad...the M3s are not strictly track cars, they can be used as daily drivers, the e36 four door version (my choice). Parts may be unavailable, but the fact is choosing to buy an M3 means awareness by the buyer that the parts would need to be sourced/imported. And it shouldn't be an "only" car...there are a few BMW dealerships around...My mechanic here in Port Harcourt owned an E30 M3 for years until he sold it.

@Trac. Did actually just start a thread to attack one person

Not inspiring.......guess you guys are off a like mind.

in response to Siena's opinion:
I stated somewhere that there should be a sticker stating all the rules of this forum...people should know why they are banned and reasons to be banned. Comments should not be hidden, but there could be a sticker/tag showing that a user has been banned, while leaving the comment open...it should be stated against the username, reasons for being sanctioned etc.

Siena: Interesting observations from Trac.

I think it would be good if responses are not hidden. What may be classed as "derailment" is subjective. Some of these posts are useful to others, and hiding them leaves too many "holes" in any thread. When there are more hidden posts than visible ones, the essence of the thread is lost.

Posts here are made up of fact and opinion, and neither should be sanctioned.

We learn new things on a daily basis, suppressing the natural freedom of expression of individuals is not good. As long as posts are not abusive, in my opinion, they should be left alone. People aren't daft, and will invariably sift through, and digest posts that are relative to why they chose to open the thread in the first instance. There are posts I don't find useful, I simply go around these. No doubt others will glean something useful from them, we live in a diverse world.

From my understanding, a ban-candidate would be one that has been on many threads while consistently constituting a nuisance. He/She would be of negative "affect" [effect] to a bunch of subscribers; not just one - while simultaneously being socially offensive.

platinumricky: Trac, with all due respect, where did u get that derogatory definition of a 'petrol-head'?
According to the cambridge dictionary; petrolhead
noun [C] /ˈpet.rəlˌhed/ UK
informal
Definition
› someone who likes and
uses their car a lot, and
does not want to use any
other type of transport.

Plat, I used the American English Dictionary. This is a choice over other dictionaries because it also defines technical terminologies that "doubles" with standard words. It is a deeper dictionary with a wider range of words. The word originated from Australia.

yungboss: well Trac,
you have said alot here, i do not support the idea of people's comments dissapearing. It's frustrating to a large extent...
But i have a contrary view on your statement about people's choice of the M3 or the AMG. I do not think there's anything wrong to want an AMG or an M3, in south Africa, they have M3s there...this being Nigeria doesn't make a difference. I personally want an M3 and an AMG...it's nothing bad or sad...the M3s are not strictly track cars, they can be used as daily drivers, the e36 four door version (my choice). Parts may be unavailable, but the fact is choosing to buy an M3 means awareness by the buyer that the parts would need to be sourced/imported. And it shouldn't be an "only" car...there are a few BMW dealerships around...My mechanic here in Port Harcourt owned an E30 M3 for years until he sold it.

South Africa is NOT Nigeria. South Africa has motorsports integrated in its culture; coupled with race events. Nigeria does not. The fuel needed to power them is sold there; not in Nigeria.

Most people will not be able to maintain such in the Nigerian setup. High performance cars require high performance maintenance. This is not the case where one will depend on google for the sustenance of the vehicle. It is not a task for an average mechanic.

True, high performance cars survive in Nigeria. My dad's first Benz was a factory-tuned model. It was well maintained till it was sold. A few houses down my parents home is (or was) an AMG E Class in very poor condition. What puzzled me was what the car was doing on Nigerian soil. I have also seen a track safety vehicle on Nigerian soil (not to far from the location). The point is most can't maintain one. The repairs aren't cheap and can run into several thousands of dollars for a singular repair. Many don't believe in such repair cost. I have a Nigerian friend that traded his A4 when his repair bill exceeded $1300. Most Nigerians reason this way.

Promoting the ownership of this wild vehicles as opposed to standard models as a norm on NL is wrong. Besides maintenance, safety concern. For instance, the M3 has no buffer. You exceed your envelope and "you are completely out of control." This goes for all M's. It is not a standard car. This should not be promoted as "the way." Rather, topics and discussions like "how to purchase good vehicles for the money" or "recognising a lemon from the other" should be promoted. I personally don't believe Nigerian roads are designed for excessive speed. That's another topic entirely. It is stupid to ply on a road at triple digit speeds without giving thoughts to the road integrity. There is a reason why the speed limit varies from region to region.

LeJeun3: @Trac. Did actually just start a thread to attack one person

Not inspiring.......guess you guys are off a like mind.

It was a means to convey a grievance. The examples listed was grand to portray a thread-thesis. Polish your guess - I am not of like-mind as you claim :-)

I took the matter very personal. It is virtually impossible for the administrator to carry out what he did and expect peace (like nothing happened) afterwards. People aren't dogs. We aren't kids either. Many of us are men; not teenagers. Some are husband to one wife and father to children. Regardless of age bracket, no one deserves to be insulted or silenced, especially when the fate of a post depends on the moderators mood. Then two individuals banned because the thread was queried. There are almost 60 suppressed posts within the "associated" thread. Why? To prove he is resistant to reprove.

Trac! U take life way too seriously! If u had ur way, the most exciting cars on our roads will be type R honda civics and toyota corollas! The roads in abuja for instance are ideal for performance cars; i see Audi R8s,Corvettes,r35 skyline GTRs,ferraris,lambos,AMGs,M-Power Bmws,Bentley GTs,porsche 911s and so many other brutes over here! There r competent repair shops for exotics here...the main challenge is often ordering the parts. I won't mind getting an E63 AMG if the resources are there...even if it stays in the repair shop for 27days and puts a smile on my face for 72hrs! U only live 1ce!!!

Revolt against d moderator has started which I fully support. NL is for all of us to share our views n also write our comments but it is frustrating 4 one person to hide peoples' comment just in d name of moderating. I think anybody dat will moderate public forums should have a full knowledge of human ethology. I am not sarcastic but I ve 2 say d fact.
80% of d moderator's post n topics are balderdash that dosen't hold any weight i.e. I wonder what "my trip 4rm Abuja to Enugu" is doing on front page. The moderator is high-handed, arrogant, egotist, egregious and most of his facts are self propounded.

I rest my case

Advocate Sam

platinumricky: Trac! U take life way too seriously! If u had ur way, the most exciting cars on our roads will be type R honda civics and toyota corollas! The roads in abuja for instance are ideal for performance cars; i see Audi R8s,Corvettes,r35 skyline GTRs,ferraris,lambos,AMGs,M-Power Bmws,Bentley GTs,porsche 911s and so many other brutes over here! There r competent repair shops for exotics here...the main challenge is often ordering the parts. I won't mind getting an E63 AMG if the resources are there...even if it stays in the repair shop for 27days and puts a smile on my face for 72hrs! U only live 1ce!!!

i saw an e63 amg in Benin city recently...i see alot of G55 amgs and Ml63 amgs in port harcourt...truth is, these cars in the hands of practical and responsible owners would do very well...like ricky said, these cars are in Abuja...saw a thread sometime ago by Darknight Motorsports with videos of these M cars, amgs and lambos in Abuja. Nigeria is growing and inroads are being made in many facets that weren't dared previously. Some People do not really care much about their cars...they really want to know less of what the full sermon of maintenance entails...to them a car ought to be a "get up and go"machine while others maintain their cars like their wives...

yungboss:
i saw an e63 amg in Benin city recently...i see alot of G55 amgs and Ml63 amgs in port harcourt...truth is, these cars in the hands of practical and responsible owners would do very well...like ricky said, these cars are in Abuja...saw a thread sometime ago by Darknight Motorsports with videos of these M cars, amgs and lambos in Abuja. Nigeria is growing and inroads are being made in many facets that weren't dared previously. Some People do not really care much about their cars...they really want to know less of what the full sermon of maintenance entails...to them a car ought to be a "get up and go"machine while others maintain their cars like their wives...

The only AMGs i hvnt seen here are the S65 and CL65. G63s and CL63s are becoming common here as well. I can't wait for tomorrow's 'Hooning' show...counting down to 1700hrs.

@ Trac good job!!! I for one appreciate the length you have gone τ̲̅ȍ point out inconsistencies in Ikennas so called expertise in car repair and knowledge about automobiles.A lot of loud mechanics out there force people τ̲̅ȍ believe what they say τ̲̅ȍ be true by bullying just as Ikenna does on this forum.I have refused τ̲̅ȍ go with his flow even as I am •̸№t advanced in vehicle technology,I still know a quack from an expert.Thank you Trac for ur wonderful contribution and I stand behind ‎u all d way τ̲̅ȍ learn all I can.
@ Platinumriky,let's follow Trac. He's the real Boss

Till may 10 when I get back from Ikennas imposed ban,I'm still Nony30

i am totally in support of this thread, Ikenna's high handedness is too much when it comes to banning. For God's sake many of us here are responsible adults, and opinions vary greatly, thats part of the worlds beauty. If everyone thinks and act alike, how boring life would be. Like Siena said, people should be allowed to sift through the "wheat and weeds" in comments, what is ofensive to you might be educative or even thriling to others.

All I could say here is i caused this, by not implementing the Forum rules and regulations since the creation of this section. I chose not to implement the forum rules aside adverts and tribal slurs. When i now enforced one that has been left, some members took it as uncalled for, since breaking of rules have become norm in the car talk.

Well, you guys have forced my hand. I will fetch the Forum rules and sticky it in this section. And when i do, i will implement them to the last. Its no longer my fault.

Some are saying "Why should a post be hidden?". What an ungrateful statement! So, even all the adverts and tribal slurs i have been removing since i became mod should have not been removed, because the forum rules shouldnt be enforced on car talk members? Does it mean no one visits other section of this forum to see if posts are hidden or not? You derail a thread by posting off topic, and when it is hidden, then the mode is bullying? Hmm! Like i earlier noted, we all have been breaking this particular rule, including myself, in this section. But when i realised my mistake and decided to correct it, i became "arrogant, wicked, etc"?

Some of us dont even know the gravity of rules we break in Car Talk? When someone commits a bannable offence, he opens a mulitple account and come back to announce he or she is back to continue where he/she stopped? Have i banned anyone for that? But this is a rule the admin would frown at me if they find out that i have not been implementing.

Its too bad some people who didnt even bother to actually find out what happenened in the thread Trac is attacking me over, just assumed that Op must be right about he said Ikenna351 did in that thread. A thread was peacefully started, someone came in to attack me with off topic post, about two of our Lions, while the topic was not related to any brand, product or to any member, simply because we had a fight in Peugeot thread about Newer Peugeots vs Older Peugeot in Peugeot thread, and the member jump into the new thread to continue the fight. I mistakenly tried to respond to his posts derailing the thread, not knowing i was also contributing in trolling. Trac came in to defend the trouble-maker, nony30, by posting some posts with personal grudge he had against me. We both exchanged some posts attacking each other. I realised how wrong i was and seized to comment in that thread. Both Trac and nony30 continued with the trouble, by posting posts or position not meant for that thread. At a point, i came back and told Trac that we both have been derailing that Thread which was why i have stopped long before then and that he should stop derailing the thread. He went on, including nony30 with his 2nd username name claiming how i banned him unjustly. Trac went on to paint me black that i banned nony30 simply because he opposed me, when in actual fact, nony30 insulted the yoruba tribe by calling them ofe'mmanu. I started to hid those their unwanted post in that thread. They kept on reposting the hidden thread (both Trac & Nony30 with his 2nd username). I had no option than to ban them since they have refused to stop derailing the thread. Both came back with their 2nd username to continue with the menace. Now, to be fair to everyone, i went back to the first page of the thread and started removing all post that had no business in that thread, including mine. Even the posts between Platinumricky and nony30, that they attacked each other with were removed. All the personal attacked posts between Trac and myself were removed. Those posts had no business with that topic. That thread was not opened to discuss 505 v6 vs 406 I4, and whether i know anything about cars or not, whether am bully or not. We have a complaint thread to state our grieviances against mod. You dont jump into a thread and stary causing trouble because you hate the Op of the thread. If you dont like a topic of a thread, click the next topic. There is a difference between having a different and derailing a thread with off topic posts. Some of the posts nony30 posted which related to the thread are still thread.


I have already gotten the permission to provide the forum rules in this section and make it sticky. And am sorry to say this, i will start implementing those rules from the first to the last. Its no longer my fault. This thread made it so.

Ikenna.

Meanwhile, find link to the Forum Rules & Regulation below:

https://www.nairaland.com/1210107/nairaland-forum-rules-regulations

Please, henceforth, if we dont want our valuable contributions, queries, suggestions or solutions to our car issues be hidden or our usernames be banned, lets posts them in appropriate threads and keep to other rules.

Ikenna.

@ Trac,

I maynot be perfect (which is normal), but do you have to be stalking me by pulling out all my posts here since I joined Nairaland? So, you are that serious to really go that far? Hope you know what it means when a man is stalking a lady? But when a man is stalking a fellow man, ha! Please, what you are doing is disgusting. I dont know your true intention of creating this thread. But for the record, please, i find only females attractive o! Just saying.


@ nony30,

I really dont understand your issue with me. We had a fight in Peugeot thread over an issue. Were those your posts hidden or were you banned? You expressed a different opinion about older Peugeots and expressed mine over yours. What you said there was uncalled for in that section. Since the Peugeot thread was created, we have been discussing mainly 307, 406, 407 & 607, uptill the 15th page. Someone now posted a query about an issue with his 504 and we started to discuss 504 and trying to suggest how the member could solve the issue. You just said older Lions like 504 shouldnt be discussed in that thread. How fair does that sound? Put yourself in that man's shoes? By trying to tell him he didnt belong in that thread, when the topic reads "Peugeot Thread", without discriminating any particular model? Yes, i reacted to that your posts. But lets no be pushing blames here. If i did actually overeacted with my comments to you on that post, am sorry, I appologise. We are both Peugeot lovers and both stay in Abuja. Lets move on. But please, let those that use older Lions be free to join us. Such comments of yours would scare them away. By the way, i would advice your use multiple username names. Its a bannable offence. You will be the only and last person i would give this notice. Next time, no one will get any warning from me before a forum rule is implemented. No be me cause am.



To everyone,

Some of you have said that i am just a quack who know nothing about cars. Fine, i have decided long before now to stop commenting or minimize my comments/ to queries in Car Talk, even in the Peugeot Thread where i like most. After all, the section is in a better hands of people who knows cars better than i do. If one is observant, you would find that you hardly see my post in this section anymore. Like i said, you guys are in better hands after all.

Ikenna.

Ikenna351: @ Trac,

I am not be perfect (which is normal), but do you have to be stalking me by pulling out all my posts here since I joined Nairaland? So, you are that serious to really go that far? Hope you know what it means when a man is stalking a lady? But when a man is stalking a fellow man, ha! Please, what you are doing is disgusting. I dont know your true intention of creating this thread. But for the record, please, i find only females attractive o! Just saying.


@ nony30,

I really dont understand your issue with me. We had a fight in Peugeot thread over an issue. Were those your posts hidden or were you banned? You expressed a different opinion about older Peugeots and expressed mine over yours. What you said there was uncalled for in that section. Since the Peugeot thread was created, we have been discussing mainly 307, 406, 407 & 607, uptill the 15th page. Someone now posted a query about an issue with his 504 and we started to discuss 504 and trying to suggest how the member could solve the issue. You just said older Lions like 504 shouldnt be discussed in that thread. How fair does that sound? Put yourself in that man's shoes? By trying to tell him he didnt belong in that thread, when the topic reads "Peugeot Thread", without discriminating any particular model? Yes, i reacted to that your posts. But lets no be pushing blames here. If i did actually overeacted with my comments to you on that post, am sorry, I appologise. We are both Peugeot lovers and both stay in Abuja. Lets move on. But please, let those that use older Lions be free to join us. Such comments of yours would scare them away. By the way, i would advice your use multiple username names. Its a bannable offence. You will be the only and last person i would give this notice. Next time, no one will get any warning from me before a forum rule is implemented. No be me cause am.



To everyone,

Some of you have said that i am just a quack who know nothing about cars. Fine, i have decided long before now to stop commenting or minimize my comments/ to queries in Car Talk, even in the Peugeot Thread where i like most. After all, the section is in a better hands of people who knows cars better than i do. If one is observant, you would find that you hardly see my post in this section anymore. Like i said, you guys are in better hands after all.

Ikenna.

well well Ikenna,‎u have just shown d first sign of greatness and I have •̸№ choice but τ̲̅ȍ follow ur lead.My issue with ‎u was d way ‎u put me down in ‎​dat thread for expressing my views.Well taken my comment was selfish and I regret putting down d 504 guy,I hope I will be forgiven for that error.pls can ‎u restore my original username so we can all discuss as one τ̲̅ȍ put this episode behind for good?
@ Trac I think its time τ̲̅ȍ work together as a team and end this all. Still Nony30

@ikenna,
i have always said this, that let the rules stick out up there, for all to read. You can make the subject like "Before you make comments or start a thread please read this" or something else you deem fit. @Trac,
please let's sheath swords, no squabbles please. No one is perfect and mistakes may have been made at one time or the other, but this is Nairaland as "You" would say. Lets overlook certain things going forward, especially now that you have publicly expressed your dissatisfaction. Maybe we should even have a "Nairaland Court" where disputes and grievances are redressed "in-house" and justice upheld before coming out in the open...Ikenna, you may just have to apologize to all whose sensibilities have been bruised irrespective of who was right or wrong...atleast as a "Leader"here...

Hey everybody!! I'm back!!!!Thanks τ̲̅ȍ d great guy Ikenna351 who today showed Y he is indeed a leader and so much loved MOD on NL.Thank God for today as all hostility of any kind is dead and gone.Thanks Ikenna and I will definitely abide by d rules.Abeg guys with 1930 peugeot let's all meet up as one house and have real fun
@ Trac,I'm still waiting τ̲̅ȍ hear from you Sir.

yungboss:
i saw an e63 amg in Benin city recently...i see alot of G55 amgs and Ml63 amgs in port harcourt...truth is, these cars in the hands of practical and responsible owners would do very well...like ricky said, these cars are in Abuja...saw a thread sometime ago by Darknight Motorsports with videos of these M cars, amgs and lambos in Abuja. Nigeria is growing and inroads are being made in many facets that weren't dared previously. Some People do not really care much about their cars...they really want to know less of what the full sermon of maintenance entails...to them a car ought to be a "get up and go"machine while others maintain their cars like their wives...

I will start by stating that AMG productions are very low. 18 technicians work at AMG to build all the engines (including spare engines) in AMG specified productions. These productions adapted include Mercedes Benz, Chrysler, Zonda, Brabus, independent tuners and factory race teams. Under Mercedes alone, there is an AMG for every model. 18 technicians hand-building the engines and transmissions and would still execute quality-control on all engines and transmissions. These same engines are taken many steps further beyond robotic compositions in its manufacturing construction; yet - there is a lot to go around for 7 billion people on Mercedes alone. Something is wrong with the facts you are presenting.

Many of the cars tagged AMG's are not AMG's. People go to great lengths to make an AMG out of a standard Mercedes. The production numbers are very low and there are years no production is available. These are rare cars. Some opt for the trinkets; a trinket does not make an AMG. How a heavy concentration of AMG's are located in Abuja will require further explanation. Knowing fully well that many are safety cars on international motorsport tracks, local tracks, training vehicles in motorsport schools, dedicated competition cars and the rest to go around the world. Production value per year is over 2,000 (and that's the higher scale) and lows of 900's and production may be for 2 or 3 years

Secondly, Mercedes ownership is not as rosy as you have stated. People don't buy those cars to own. They are leased and turned-in when over. These cars are complex and they have complex problems. They don't have good second-hand values and more often than not, spend a lot of time at the dealerships for problems that elude solutions (mostly intermittent problems). In rare cases, engineers have to be flown from Germany to fix diagnose and fix a problem. In rare situations, the Mercedes is replaced. Besides these, there are lawsuits pending against Mercedes by individual owners. Anybody can buy a car; every one cannot maintain what they've bought. Used Benzes are cheap to purchase and nobody wants them. It's hard to sell. There was an S550 I saw for $33,000. I am not sure if it was the presidential edition or not but there is no explanation for any model to be that low or the high depreciation fall. Nigerians would buy cars; when a major problem occurs, the vehicle is parked or the engine replaced. Why wouldn't most Nigerians buy cars used on Nigerian soil?

The G Class reference stated is not practical. These are low production models. Mercedes has tried to kill the lineup because profit from that production is low. An ultimatum has been set already. How many AMG's are there? Far lower than the typical E-Class. I am not stating that no AMG's in the G platforms are found in Nigeria; I'm stating that they can't be many.

AMG's are not cars you buy from a dealership. These are cars you buy brand new or you buy from an individual over lunch in an extended talk. They are difficult to rid because people don't wants them.

Trac:

I will start by stating that AMG productions are very low. 18 technicians work at AMG to build all the engines (including spare engines) in AMG specified productions. These productions adapted include Mercedes Benz, Chrysler, Zonda, Brabus, independent tuners and factory race teams. Under Mercedes alone, there is an AMG for every model. 18 technicians hand-building the engines and transmissions and would still execute quality-control on all engines and transmissions. These same engines are taken many steps further beyond robotic compositions in its manufacturing construction; yet - there is a lot to go around for 7 billion people on Mercedes alone. Something is wrong with the facts you are presenting.

Many of the cars tagged AMG's are not AMG's. People go to great lengths to make an AMG out of a standard Mercedes. The production numbers are very low and there are years no production is available. These are rare cars. Some opt for the trinkets; a trinket does not make an AMG. How a heavy concentration of AMG's are located in Abuja will require further explanation. Knowing fully well that many are safety cars on international motorsport tracks, local tracks, training vehicles in motorsport schools, dedicated competition cars and the rest to go around the world. Production value per year is over 2,000 (and that's the higher scale) and lows of 900's and production may be for 2 or 3 years

Secondly, Mercedes ownership is not as rosy as you have stated. People don't buy those cars to own. They are leased and turned-in when over. These cars are complex and they have complex problems. They don't have good second-hand values and more often than not, spend a lot of time at the dealerships for problems that elude solutions (mostly intermittent problems). In rare cases, engineers have to be flown from Germany to fix diagnose and fix a problem. In rare situations, the Mercedes is replaced. Besides these, there are lawsuits pending against Mercedes by individual owners. Anybody can buy a car; every one cannot maintain what they've bought. Used Benzes are cheap to purchase and nobody wants them. It's hard to sell. There was an S550 I saw for $33,000. I am not sure if it was the presidential edition or not but there is no explanation for any model to be that low or the high depreciation fall. Nigerians would buy cars; when a major problem occurs, the vehicle is parked or the engine replaced. Why wouldn't most Nigerians buy cars used on Nigerian soil?

The G Class reference stated is not practical. These are low production models. Mercedes has tried to kill the lineup because profit from that production is low. An ultimatum has been set already. How many AMG's are there? Far lower than the typical E-Class. I am not stating that no AMG's in the G platforms are found in Nigeria; I'm stating that they can't be many.

AMG's are not cars you buy from a dealership. These are cars you buy brand new or you buy from an individual over lunch in an extended talk. They are difficult to rid because people don't wants them.

you have proven over time your deep knowledge of these benzes...i take your words in high regard, i dont know ifthey are fake AMGs though, but the pristine MLs seen have quad exhaust tail, looking factory fitted, white instrument layout etc. Who knows how genuine they are...maybe AMG Kit

ken43: @ Trac good job!!! I for one appreciate the length you have gone τ̲̅ȍ point out inconsistencies in Ikennas so called expertise in car repair and knowledge about automobiles.A lot of loud mechanics out there force people τ̲̅ȍ believe what they say τ̲̅ȍ be true by bullying just as Ikenna does on this forum.I have refused τ̲̅ȍ go with his flow even as I am •̸№t advanced in vehicle technology,I still know a quack from an expert.Thank you Trac for ur wonderful contribution and I stand behind ‎u all d way τ̲̅ȍ learn all I can.
@ Platinumriky,let's follow Trac. He's the real Boss

Till may 10 when I get back from Ikennas imposed ban,I'm still Nony30

It wasn't easy when I was structuring a comprehension because my feelings were mixed. I dedicated hours and the entirety was not pasted. As days progressed, I begun trimming because my emotions changed. It was the first time ever on Nairaland that I took time to read some of his posts. I always omitted them from the first time he replied a post of mine and failed to defend my queries against his claims. The coolant post was the rude-awakening. Unknown to me, there were many others far depressing than I thought. What is sad is no one corrected but fed his contributions. The worst are the safety contributions. I feel sorry for those that fed on such garbage-rhetoric. I hope instinct prevails over the learnt-garbage and no one throttles when vehicle is provoked but to do the right thing to prevent such provocations in the first place or apply brakes conservatively in a panic situation.

Ikenna351: @ Trac,

I maynot be perfect (which is normal), but do you have to be stalking me by pulling out all my posts here since I joined Nairaland? So, you are that serious to really go that far? Hope you know what it means when a man is stalking a lady? But when a man is stalking a fellow man, ha! Please, what you are doing is disgusting. I dont know your true intention of creating this thread. But for the record, please, i find only females attractive o! Just saying.


@ nony30,

I really dont understand your issue with me. We had a fight in Peugeot thread over an issue. Were those your posts hidden or were you banned? You expressed a different opinion about older Peugeots and expressed mine over yours. What you said there was uncalled for in that section. Since the Peugeot thread was created, we have been discussing mainly 307, 406, 407 & 607, uptill the 15th page. Someone now posted a query about an issue with his 504 and we started to discuss 504 and trying to suggest how the member could solve the issue. You just said older Lions like 504 shouldnt be discussed in that thread. How fair does that sound? Put yourself in that man's shoes? By trying to tell him he didnt belong in that thread, when the topic reads "Peugeot Thread", without discriminating any particular model? Yes, i reacted to that your posts. But lets no be pushing blames here. If i did actually overeacted with my comments to you on that post, am sorry, I appologise. We are both Peugeot lovers and both stay in Abuja. Lets move on. But please, let those that use older Lions be free to join us. Such comments of yours would scare them away. By the way, i would advice your use multiple username names. Its a bannable offence. You will be the only and last person i would give this notice. Next time, no one will get any warning from me before a forum rule is implemented. No be me cause am.



To everyone,

Some of you have said that i am just a quack who know nothing about cars. Fine, i have decided long before now to stop commenting or minimize my comments/ to queries in Car Talk, even in the Peugeot Thread where i like most. After all, the section is in a better hands of people who knows cars better than i do. If one is observant, you would find that you hardly see my post in this section anymore. Like i said, you guys are in better hands after all.

Ikenna.

You have managed to make a homosexual humour out of this. No straight man goes around wondering about another man's sexuality; how much more induce like-references. You might think I am finding the whole thing funny but I am not. I don't play and I don't take unfunny matters serious. Find your kind and spill that filth to their enticement. Don't pass that mess by me again.

Be careful with your choices of words and the application. Stalking is a serious word and inapplicable to the context applied. Making yourself a victim is not an approach in correcting the mess. For every action, there will always be an opposite reaction. You had one week of peace for the ban duration. I am still wondering how on earth you thought it would be okay when the restriction is completed.

You haven't learnt; still passing a blame about stalking or failure to implement rules. You should blame those that kept feeding your ego and perception instead of correcting you (especially on the 'fables'). Then again; you were too much of a "fortress" to have been spoken to. These (the above reflection) is the 5 pages sifted of 43. It wasn't hard to constructively sketch a profile that would be so monumental of a colossus to disprove as subjective. I did not log in an Ikenna for 3 years to feed the net and increase its garbage content at the expense of others. I am not the one responsible. Before you ever signed up for NL, I had made over 900 posts. The people you incessantly bashed as incompetent (in my honest opinion) are better than you. I am referring to Nigerian mechanics. At least they are trying to be productive for a daily bread and it is impossible to have a 100% failure rate in repairs. The difference between you and the professional mechanic is that you invested so much time on google and ended up with conclusions that I extracted as specimen.

Truth is: you have grieved many. You've gone through lengths to suppress posts and clean-up your faux-pax. Placing a ban restriction for freedom of speech is not an easy thing to get over. How do you think people would respond afterwards? You are psychologically remolding the subscriber. Furthermore, subscribers are of different backgrounds, works of life, ambitions and independent choices.

Portraying a "niche" of a brand at the expense of others is unacceptable. For example - the RWD layouts and European brand niche conversations are not helpful but bashful. Like threads as well. It is a preferential choice for anyone to purchase what they want and feel good about it. Japanese, Italian - what-so-ever; no one should feel inferior by virtue of what the possess. It is horribly wrong to lead astray people, especially when safety is concerned. So far, you have promoted recklessness and disregard to road commuters to prove you are passionate about cars. A few years ago, a BMW thread came into the lime-light negatively when 5 teenagers died in an M5. This got worse because John Travolta lived in close proximity (at the isolated location). The M5 went airborne (500 feet in the air) and split in two on a tree. Every subscriber that made a post on that thread were stifled and the moderator did a good job in response to the bad publicity. The thread's emancipation was the member was warned in regards to the M5 relative to high speed and some had shown blunt disapproval. This member was dead the following day. One of the parents of the other deceased is sued the parents of the deceased driver.

Discussing understeer/oversteer provocations is unsuitable and inappropriate. Why must one provoke a vehicle to such an extent to experience such? Worse, when you don't understand how it occurs and how to "catch" it before it occurs. It is imperative everyone drives well below their vehicle's capacity. This gives the ample margin of error when an emergency maneuver suits a panic situation. Discussing safe driving is appropriate. I personally doubt you have been in such a situation; for it wouldn't have been something you'd pride yourself in. On public roads with other commuters is not an experience to encounter. High performance cars and race-bred hybrids should not be randomly promoted. These are not cars for the masses but experienced and expert drivers. Many have died in such cars or have experienced crashes that led them to reconsider their choices life gave a second choice. Above all; never tell anyone to apply the throttle upon understeering. Never do that! It is pure wickedness to state so. Another notch of wickedness when you don't have the qualifications to state so or the understanding to convey why it is so.

Everyone has the rights to say whatever is on their mind; provided it meets the forums objectives. Nobody deserves to be banned because there is disagreement between you and a subscriber. Nobody deserves to be insulted. People deserve to be respected and encouraged. Men are not women or children; you never belittle a man. If all a man can afford is a brand new Camry and has a mechanic that he contracts the services to when it comes to maintenance, he deserves his indiscriminatory respect. No cooning anywhere.

Trac:

I will start by stating that AMG productions are very low. 18 technicians work at AMG to build all the engines (including spare engines) in AMG specified productions. These productions adapted include Mercedes Benz, Chrysler, Zonda, Brabus, independent tuners and factory race teams. Under Mercedes alone, there is an AMG for every model. 18 technicians hand-building the engines and transmissions and would still execute quality-control on all engines and transmissions. These same engines are taken many steps further beyond robotic compositions in its manufacturing construction; yet - there is a lot to go around for 7 billion people on Mercedes alone. Something is wrong with the facts you are presenting.

Many of the cars tagged AMG's are not AMG's. People go to great lengths to make an AMG out of a standard Mercedes. The production numbers are very low and there are years no production is available. These are rare cars. Some opt for the trinkets; a trinket does not make an AMG. How a heavy concentration of AMG's are located in Abuja will require further explanation. Knowing fully well that many are safety cars on international motorsport tracks, local tracks, training vehicles in motorsport schools, dedicated competition cars and the rest to go around the world. Production value per year is over 2,000 (and that's the higher scale) and lows of 900's and production may be for 2 or 3 years

Secondly, Mercedes ownership is not as rosy as you have stated. People don't buy those cars to own. They are leased and turned-in when over. These cars are complex and they have complex problems. They don't have good second-hand values and more often than not, spend a lot of time at the dealerships for problems that elude solutions (mostly intermittent problems). In rare cases, engineers have to be flown from Germany to fix diagnose and fix a problem. In rare situations, the Mercedes is replaced. Besides these, there are lawsuits pending against Mercedes by individual owners. Anybody can buy a car; every one cannot maintain what they've bought. Used Benzes are cheap to purchase and nobody wants them. It's hard to sell. There was an S550 I saw for $33,000. I am not sure if it was the presidential edition or not but there is no explanation for any model to be that low or the high depreciation fall. Nigerians would buy cars; when a major problem occurs, the vehicle is parked or the engine replaced. Why wouldn't most Nigerians buy cars used on Nigerian soil?

The G Class reference stated is not practical. These are low production models. Mercedes has tried to kill the lineup because profit from that production is low. An ultimatum has been set already. How many AMG's are there? Far lower than the typical E-Class. I am not stating that no AMG's in the G platforms are found in Nigeria; I'm stating that they can't be many.

AMG's are not cars you buy from a dealership. These are cars you buy brand new or you buy from an individual over lunch in an extended talk. They are difficult to rid because people don't wants them.

@ Trac hello;Dbeen looking forward τ̲̅ȍ hearing from you,how r ‎u doing?I must commend ‎u for ur enviable knowledge of autos,but like Youngboss had constantly stressed....we sheath d swords yesterday.Ikenna351 is actually a great guy just like u,so I beg we draw knowledge from each other now and stop d .I guess I have a lot τ̲̅ȍ learn about cars other than trying τ̲̅ȍ push d engines real hardTanks great guy!

nony30: @ Trac hello;Dbeen looking forward τ̲̅ȍ hearing from you,how r ‎u doing?I must commend ‎u for ur enviable knowledge of autos,but like Youngboss had constantly stressed....we sheath d swords yesterday.Ikenna351 is actually a great guy just like u,so I beg we draw knowledge from each other now and stop d .I guess I have a lot τ̲̅ȍ learn about cars other than trying τ̲̅ȍ push d engines real hardTanks great guy!

I am not one to perpetually maintain discord. I am far easier-going than many would think of me.

Fair enough!

Trac:

I am not one to perpetually maintain discord. I am far easier-going than many would think of me.

Fair enough!

Ɣε̲̣̣̣̥§ Į̸̸̨ƭ ®ε̲αƪƪƔ shows that ‎u r a pleasant fellow τ̲̅ȍ associate with,but some times stuff happens and we just lose Į̸̸̨ƭ.Does this mean we r now cool?
And pls where can one get a BMW X6 V8 engine τ̲̅ȍ replace a damaged one?

nony30: Ɣε̲̣̣̣̥§ Į̸̸̨ƭ ®ε̲αƪƪƔ shows that ‎u r a pleasant fellow τ̲̅ȍ associate with,but some times stuff happens and we just lose Į̸̸̨ƭ.Does this mean we r now cool?
And pls where can one get a BMW X6 V8 engine τ̲̅ȍ replace a damaged one?

I did not have rancour with anyone. I never had a problem with you. When I started this post, I was of a calm state.

I don't know where to get engines from. As long as it's not blown; I'll recommend the engine gets fixed. Nevertheless, if you opt to buy another, I really can't help you on that.

Trac:

I did not have rancour with anyone. I never had a problem with you. When I started this post, I was of a calm state.

I don't know where to get engines from. As long as it's not blown; I'll recommend the engine gets fixed. Nevertheless, if you opt to buy another, I really can't help you on that.

‎​◦⌣kk⌣◦ tank ‎u Sir,I ®ε̲αƪƪƔ appreciate ur kindness.cheers

nony30: ‎​◦⌣kk⌣◦ tank ‎u Sir,I ®ε̲αƪƪƔ appreciate ur kindness.cheers

You are welcome.