Toluwarni:
Yes, which means you believe in Sango e.t.c. s all i'm saying is, why don't you take up the million dollar challenge

please keep quite about things you dont know. I am Hausa Maguzawa. We have different names for the Gods. we do rituals, but those are prayer rituals. Even Shango worshippers (commoners) do prayer rituals. this is established religion.

how will i get million dollars for performing prayers and prayer rituals

The so-called "Juju" is actually ritual experiments which are mostly done by the experienced and the priestly class (Babalawos/Sa'arkin Arna, etc.) apart from the normal prayer rituals.

The ritual being done here is one such kind, or :Juju: as you call it.

Update:

The challenge goes:

Have your N50,000 ready with you. I'm not asking you to send it to me or anyone, just make sure you have it as the amount of wager. Now, the YAS will be delivered to the contender by person, afterwards either of the following is possible:

1. Just as previously stated, at a location of the contender's chosen, a vehicle proposed by the contender will be videoed by the contender or a video camera handler of his chosen who shall begin video shooting of the said working vehicle ignited and moving moments before the YAS/Juju deliverer comes in with his own cameraman, all these measure is done in order to show a seamless sequence of event to dismiss those who will watch it online and will come to say it has being edited. Success is determined when the already tested vehicle becomes unstartable after been placed with the Juju (YAS). Failure is when the car starts and moves despite being rigged with the Juju (YAS).

2. Another alternative is for the Juju deliverer to place the Juju into a randomly parked vehicle picked by the contender, wherein the car owner will be waited for, if the car owner is shown as unable to start his vehicle, wherein he will be approached, explained to about what is going on, and consented to remove the Juju (YAS) where he is now able to start it and drive off, success is confirmed.

'largerwhebindoubt' and 'Billyonaire' can either go for any of the two options which is open to any modification they think would guard against meddling or manipulating the outcome.

Hey GhostOfSparta,

I take back the harsh words. Although I am still not convinced at all, I wish you good luck in your endeavours. I wish I could take up your challenge, but I'm too far away from you to do so. All the best.

By the way, I'm very much Nigerian, and I don't believe in deities.

^^N10k is an indication of my level of open-mindedness not skecpticsm.. hmmm any chance of sussing the condiments of this YAS that will make it N50k expensive? No matter, it'll have to wait until next week Saturday 11th for all my parolz money to cumulate to N50k.. i am assuming that i get N50k extra should the YAS fail to Dead-Stop my engine from igniting

ghostofsparta: You know what? In as much as I disagree with your ability to perform the feats you claim, I still respect you because you do not launch personal attacks on those who disagree with you. You always try to make your points with decorum and I commed you for that. I know you believe in this your YAS as a self acclaimed "researcher" but I view your theories with scepticism because you would not be in Nigeria with these powers are things are going awry right before your eyes.

I know from the way you make your points that you are adept at using unproven YAS to bamboozle the uniformed. I see that you have recently backtracked from being a specialist in YAS to just being a "researcher." Just so it is clear: are you a YORUBA ADVANCED SCIENTIST or simply a researcher?

You know if you had an answer for the posers I had for you, you would put them forth here but you are simply using smoke and morrors. Tell us why the Yoruba had to face slavery for 400 years and Mallam Alimi siezed Ilorin with YAS fully available to them or just quit.

I second everything purist stated in his post before the last one in which he apologised for being hash. You have to prove your claim, stop weaving and bobbing, we have had enough of those. Just do it dude!

omonuan: Tell us why the Yoruba had to face slavery for 400 years and Mallam Alimi siezed Ilorin with YAS fully available to them or just quit.

The Yorubas did not let the Fulanis advance further down SOuth.

I do not how this experimenting private Riitualism exactly works. but bear in mind, THe Gods/SPiritual Forces do not directly innvolve in material affairs. I have explained this before.

PAGAN 9JA:


The Yorubas did not let the Fulanis advance further down SOuth.

I do not how this experimenting private Riitualism exactly works. but bear in mind, THe Gods/SPiritual Forces do not directly innvolve in material affairs. I have explained this before.

Your post is non responsive to my questions but then again you said that you "don't know how experimenting private ritualism work" so this is way over your head. Stop guessing and defer to those who know. Please understand that there is no tribal animus intended here. The same questions would be posed to any tribe that claims advanced scientific knowledge in Africa.

How could saving Yoruba from slavery and from the conquest of their people be considered "material affairs." I guess those of you who believe in YAS have reduced your fellow Yorubas to commodities. And if the Yoruba could not stop Mallam Alimi and his rag tag army from sacking Oyo empire how did they stop the Fulani from Advancing further down south?

omonuan:

Your post is non responsive to my question but then again you said that you "don't know how experimenting private ritualism work" so this is way over your head. Stop guessing and defer to those who know. Please understand that there is no tribal animus intended here. The same questions would be posed to any tribe that claims advanced scientific knowledge in Africa.

How could saving Yoruba from slavery and from the conquest of their people be considered "material affairs." I guess those of you who believe in YAS have reduced your fellow Yorubas to commodities. And if the Yoruba could not stop Mallam Alimi and his rag tag army from sacking Oyo empire how did they stop the Fulani from Advancing further down south?

ofcourse these are material affairs. Slavery is not a SPiritual Affair! Anything pertaining to base human affair such as these are material affairs. DO you know the old Pagan saying attributed to Goddess Athena "The GOds help only those who help themselves" .

which is true. THe Gods provide the indirect push. an example is luck, or circumstantial positiveness.

here you are referring to individual names like Mallam Alimi, Oyo Empire, etc. THis is direct interference and material interference as well. THe Gods are SPiritual Forces. they cannot personally take sides against some individual. they are not humans.

we do not know what happened to Mallam Alimi afterwards, do we? Also it might be so that Mallam Alimi invaded with good intentions at heart. He probably thought he was doing good work, by fulfilling his duties to his master, Dan Fodio. even though he was not. There are so many factors involved here. you cant take such big matters in so simplistic terms.

I need to read the entire history of what exactly happened to come to conclusions. this is my opinion. I will return later.

PAGAN 9JA:



ofcourse these are material affairs. Slavery is not a SPiritual Affair! Anything pertaining to base human affair such as these are material affairs. DO you know the old Pagan saying attributed to Goddess Athena "The GOds help only those who help themselves" .

which is true. THe Gods provide the indirect push. an example is luck, or circumstantial positiveness.

here you are referring to individual names like Mallam Alimi, Oyo Empire, etc. THis is direct interference and material interference as well. THe Gods are SPiritual Forces. they cannot personally take sides against some individual. they are not humans.

we do not know what happened to Mallam Alimi afterwards, do we? Also it might be so that Mallam Alimi invaded with good intentions at heart. He probably thought he was doing good work, by fulfilling his duties to his master, Dan Fodio. even though he was not. There are so many factors involved here. you cant take such big matters in so simplistic terms.

I need to read the entire history of what exactly happened to come to conclusions. this is my opinion. I will return later.

So let me break me down your Yoruba Advanced Sciences.(YAS) mumbo jumbo into the modern and accepted sciences:

Yoruba people + their empires = Material Affairs
Yoruba Gods + YAS < Material Affairs
Mallam Alimi + Good intentions + good heart > Material Affairs + Yoruba Gods + YAS

Is this what you really think? So of what use is YAS then? Have you seen the absurdity of your analysis in real sciences? Just give me a break dude! May be you are correct and if you are, your logic then renders your so called Yoruba Advanced Sciences a nullity and into the dustbin. You have a choice: either your postulations are illogical or YAS is simply mendacious or both. In fact your logic tallies with what I have been saying which is: YAS is nothing but a figment of the imaginations of the proponents and has no application to any rational being. This is what you just confirmed!

Yes history recorded what happened to Alimi. He seized Ilorin and killed Kankanfo Afonja. His family now controls and lords over Ilorin and will do so for the next foreseeable future. YAS my Foot!

LOGICBOY01 COME AND TAKE UP THIS CHALLENGE NA.... SINCE YOU REALLY BELIEVE IN ATHEISM.

UPDATED

lagerwhenindoubt: ^^N10k is an indication of my level of open-mindedness not skecpticsm.. hmmm any chance of sussing the condiments of this YAS that will make it N50k expensive? No matter, it'll have to wait until next week Saturday 11th for all my parolz money to cumulate to N50k.. i am assuming that i get N50k extra should the YAS fail to Dead-Stop my engine from igniting

still willing to take up the challenge? It's even now more unbelievable

I have secured one with a version that by just laying the worn 'juju' coupled with certain incantation will render any tested and working vehicle unstartable, this is just one out of many version of the immobilizer jujus.

The challenge is still on.

And also be corrected that: the N50k is not for sourcing the condiments components of making the Juju, since the JUJU will be done by them or already made, the 50k is meant for stirring them up as per motivation and the trouble if you know what I mean, after all, you or any disbeliever taking the challenge seek to be convinced of Yoruban supernaturality unexplainable yet by no scientific means.

Toluwarni: LOGICBOY01 COME AND TAKE UP THIS CHALLENGE NA.... SINCE YOU REALLY BELIEVE IN THEISM.

The fake boy would always shy away.....

Atheists are really just bent on decieving themselves.........its only a matter of time....they'll take back all there rants......

ijawkid:

The fake boy would always shy away.....

Atheists are really just bent on decieving themselves.........its only a matter of time....they'll take back all there rants......

Logicboy haven't shied away, why can't you religionists let logicboy be, he is more logical than you Ijawkid who prefers Jewish tradition and culture as superior to that of the Ijaws/Izons. If logicboy or any atheistS takes up the challenge and realize Yoruba claimed supernaturality does exist, note that it doesn't validate the existence of your Abrahmic deities and religions. Why don't you or 'Toluwarni' take up the challenge?

ghostofsparta:
You religionists should let logicboy be, he is even more logical than you Ijawkid who prefers Jewish tradition and culture as superior to that of the Ijaws/Izons.

My God is real, you know why? I've experienced Him.. I've seen Him work wonders, I've also seen JUJU in action. I could have accepted your challenge to prove to you it won't work where YAHWEH is.. But if i accept it and it doesn't work, Atheists won't say YAHWEH rendered the YAS useless, they'll simply say, it just didn't work.. And there is no spiritual realm..
That's why i want Logicboy, ooman, heatblast, purist and others to accept the challenge

ijawkid:

The fake boy would always shy away.....

Atheists are really just bent on decieving themselves.........its only a matter of time....they'll take back all there rants......

No mind them Jor... They'll all repent soon enough

Toluwarni: My God is real, you know why? I've experienced Him.. I've seen Him work wonders, I've also seen JUJU in action. I could have accepted your challenge to prove to you it won't work where YAHWEH is.. But if i accept it and it doesn't work, Atheists won't say YAHWEH rendered the YAS useless, they'll simply say, it just didn't work.. And there is no spiritual realm..
That's why i want Logicboy, ooman, heatblast, purist and others to accept the challenge

You indeed have a point about wanting atheist to take up the challenge, however, let me ask you, what makes you think YAHWEH is more powerful than that of your ancestors? despite our so called leaders make oaths with their books and nothing happens, why didn't YAHWEH come to the aides of the jews during the holocausts?

ghostofsparta:
Logicboy haven't shied away, why can't you religionists let logicboy be, he is more logical than you Ijawkid who prefers Jewish tradition and culture as superior to that of the Ijaws/Izons. If logicboy or any atheistS takes up the challenge and realize Yoruba claimed supernaturality does exist, note that it doesn't validate the existence of your Abrahmic deities and religions. Why don't you or 'Toluwarni' take up the challenge?

lol....dont mind the foolish Jewish slaves.

But guy, I dont believe in your juju sha! oooo


Even if you get power, I can easily secretly hire another juju man to counter your jazz lol!!


All in all, I have challenged Ijawkid to bring his bulletproof Jazz so that we can test a gun on his forehead.

Logicboy03:



lol....dont mind the foolish Jewish slaves.

But guy, I dont believe in your juju sha! oooo


Even if you get power, I can easily secretly hire another juju man to counter your jazz lol!!


All in all, I have challenged Ijawkid to bring his bulletproof Jazz so that we can test a gun on his forehead.

It is not my JUJU, I don't claim to have JUJU, but I am ready to procure certain JUJU for purpose of those who don't believe in the efficacies of Yoruba Advanced Sciences erroneously called JUJU. Why should for the purpose of testing anti-bullet YAS, one should aim the forehead, it's odd and stupid, because even the underlying principle of anti-bullet YAS is not to defy death/danger, it's meant to provide escape during danger while some versions are meant for fierce battle in ancient time were it can face incoming 'ota' (bullets), however, if you are willing to stake a substantial amount of money, I will procure a version of the numerous anti-bullet YAS and you need do is just to bring your videocamera, and a goat or native fowl for the test, accept? I am serious.

ghostofsparta:

It is not my JUJU, I don't claim to have JUJU, but I am ready to procure certain JUJU for purpose of those who don't believe in the efficacies of Yoruba Advanced Sciences erroneously called JUJU. Why for the purpose of testing anti-bullet YAS, one should aim the forehead, it's odd, because the underlying principle of anti-bullet YAS is not to defy death/danger, it's meant to provide escape during danger while some versions are meant for fierce battle in the ancient time, however, if you are willing to stake a substantial amount of money, I will procure a version of the numerous anti-bullet YAS and you need do is just to bring your videocamera, and a goat or native fowl for the test, accept? I am serious.

Do we really need to test the YAS using a goat or fowl? If you are so sure of the YAS, I will take up the challenge (Name the PRICE) and I'll test it on you.

ghostofsparta:

It is not my JUJU, I don't claim to have JUJU, but I am ready to procure certain JUJU for purpose of those who don't believe in the efficacies of Yoruba Advanced Sciences erroneously called JUJU. Why should for the purpose of testing anti-bullet YAS, one should aim the forehead, it's odd and stupid, because even the underlying principle of anti-bullet YAS is not to defy death/danger, it's meant to provide escape during danger while some versions are meant for fierce battle in ancient time were it can face incoming 'ota' (bullets), however, if you are willing to stake a substantial amount of money, I will procure a version of the numerous anti-bullet YAS and you need do is just to bring your videocamera, and a goat or native fowl for the test, accept? I am serious.

Agreed....let me test it on you

PalmTree:
Do we really need to test the YAS using a goat or fowl?

Yes, to prove the efficacy of the YAS, it's either the goat or fowl dies which you win, or they just shake their body and live on, which we win.

PalmTree:
If you are so sure of the YAS, I will take up the challenge (Name the PRICE)

Try and get this straight once and for all, in my still ongoing research in my various classification of YAS, the anti-bulltet YAS has a one basic underlying principle which is that, the YAS possessor mustn't go about seeking or defying clear present danger to prove his machoness, there are many sayings in Ifa that backs it up. Now let me ask you, won't it be foolhardy of you to go bear your body trunk against even a derringer because you're wearing a fully reinforced Kevlar vest? Yes or No?

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PalmTree: and I'll test it on you.

So a science/chemistry teacher must pour H2SO4 (Hydrochloric acid) onto one of his pupils to differentiate and prove how corrosive it is from the diluted, non-corrosive ones because I do not understand how you intend to remain unconvinced seeing a YAS-wearing-goat/fowl still alive after been shot, for you to be insisting on a human guinea pig? Care to explain why?

Logicboy03:


Agreed....let me test it on you

Do bullet-proof companies and military men who buy bullet-proof vests test the efficacies of it on themselves by shooting themselves, okay may be that watery, another instance...

Do motor companies use live humans to test the response of air-bags in their prototype vehicles, isn't it dummies and others use animals in medical field and every human use their drugs.

I am led to think you are all trying to dodge the challenge, because I wouldn't know why an animal shouldn't do.

Maybe I should suggest another YAS,

ghostofsparta:
Logicboy haven't shied away, why can't you religionists let logicboy be, he is more logical than you Ijawkid who prefers Jewish tradition and culture as superior to that of the Ijaws/Izons. If logicboy or any atheistS takes up the challenge and realize Yoruba claimed supernaturality does exist, note that it doesn't validate the existence of your Abrahmic deities and religions. Why don't you or 'Toluwarni' take up the challenge?

I don't need to take up the challenge because I knw these powers exist........the onus is on the atheists who claim that there isn't any supernatural or higher powers........

.........

The egbesu's in the Izon villages is enough evidence............

Let logicboy and his cohorts come out and take up the challenge,not me........

And logic boy is not more logical than me.......he's just stubborn......

ijawkid:

I don't need to take up the challenge because I knw these powers exist........the onus is on the atheists who claim that there isn't any supernatural or higher powers........

.........

The egbesu's in the Izon villages is enough evidence............

Let logicboy and his cohorts come out and take up the challenge,not me........

And logic boy is not more logical than me.......he's just stubborn......

GOD BLESS YOU BROTHER..

ijawkid:

I don't need to take up the challenge because I knw these powers exist........the onus is on the atheists who claim that there isn't any supernatural or higher powers........

.........

The egbesu's in the Izon villages is enough evidence............

Let logicboy and his cohorts come out and take up the challenge,not me........

And logic boy is not more logical than me.......he's just stubborn......

E be like say I suppose meet you with AK-47 make we see whether you go display all this yourIjaw juju nonsense

Mtchew, u don forget say I be warri boy?


When pipeline burst and exploded, Akpos, Tega, oritsewunmi fry like yellow garri we dem dey process....all dem jazz fall their hand.......fire no get enemy or friend......ye shall burn in the flames

ijawkid:

I don't need to take up the challenge because I knw these powers exist........the onus is on the atheists who claim that there isn't any supernatural or higher powers........

.........

The egbesu's in the Izon villages is enough evidence............

Let logicboy and his cohorts come out and take up the challenge,not me........

And logic boy is not more logical than me.......he's just stubborn......

He is not stubborn, he just trying to be rational, which I also do when disputing foreing religions in relation of how they destroyed Africa, but not on AFRICAN supernaturality, but you on the other hand clings to these foreign religions.

If you believe in the existence of African supernatural powers why then would you accept that of the foreign religions who have been proven and disputed to be false and fake?

Logicboy03:


E be like say I suppose meet you with AK-47 make we see whether you go display all this yourIjaw juju nonsense

Mtchew, u don forget say I be warri boy?


When pipeline burst and exploded, Akpos, Tega, oritsewunmi fry like yellow garri we dem dey process....all dem jazz fall their hand.......fire no get enemy or friend......ye shall burn in the flames

Logicboy03 let's stay on course without digressing the objective, first of all, let me get you clearly, is it that you believe in the existence and efficacies of YAS but have weaknesses and loophole which they do, or that you just don't believe in any sort from both religious' Jesus walking on water to Africa's rendering of someone impervious to machete cut? I like to know your standpoint, because being an Ijaw boy and atheist doesn't really fit, unless you weren't born in Ijawlands, the first time I learned of such thing as what we all now call 'anti-bullet proof' juju/YAS/charm,etc was from an Ijaw individual whose back I saw was incised with several incisions narrating how they usually dive into water when they couldn't sustain the sting of bullets from attacking Nigerian soldiers when defending their homeland creeks. This is around 11 years ago. I am for academic and truth over claim, not threatening with AK-47s at the slightest nerve.

someone plz take up this challenge. its ok. a goat wud be reasonable or a chicken because in case of any slight snags or problems we might cause casualties. someone take up the challenge. its certainly entertaining.

PAGAN 9JA:
someone plz take up this challenge. its ok. a goat wud be reasonable or a chicken because in case of any slight snags or problems we might cause casualties. someone take up the challenge. its certainly entertaining.

Down-right dangerous since one does not know the condiments of this YAS thingy-bob. heard Vietcong rebels had midgets jumping out of rice bowls and popping American soldiers before they even lifted the spoon. who knows what is inside those YAS..

ghostofsparta:

Logicboy03 let's stay on course without digressing the objective, first of all, let me get you clearly, is it that you believe in the existence and efficacies of YAS but have weaknesses and loophole which they do, or that you just don't believe in any sort from both religious' Jesus walking on water to Africa's rendering of someone impervious to machete cut? I like to know your standpoint, because being an Ijaw boy and atheist doesn't really fit, unless you weren't born in Ijawlands, the first time I learned of such thing as what we all now call 'anti-bullet proof' juju/YAS/charm,etc was from an Ijaw individual whose back I saw was incised with several incisions narrating how they usually dive into water when they couldn't sustain the sting of bullets from attacking Nigerian soldiers when defending their homeland creeks. This is around 11 years ago. I am for academic and truth over claim, not threatening with AK-47s at the slightest nerve.

wetin Ijaw get?

I no be Ijaw.....I'm a real Naija deltan from Warri....


Anyways, I wasnt born in delta, I'm a lagos boy....


I dont believe in any of your juju or jazz or wetin una dey call am


I dont believe in supernatural

Logicboy03:



wetin Ijaw get?

I no be Ijaw.....I'm a real Naija deltan from Warri....


Anyways, I wasnt born in delta, I'm a lagos boy....


I dont believe in any of your juju or jazz or wetin una dey call am


I dont believe in supernatural

btw delta is not a tribe really. you have to be either Bini, Efik, Ibibio, Annang, Oron, Ijaw, Itsekiri, Isoko, Urhobo, Ukwuani, Kalabari, etc. .


ok so you are the perfect candidate for this experiment. go on Logicboy!

you even stand to gain money from this experiment!

PAGAN 9JA:


btw delta is not a tribe really. you have to be either Bini, Efik, Ibibio, Annang, Oron, Ijaw, Itsekiri, Isoko, Urhobo, Ukwuani, Kalabari, etc. .


ok so you are the perfect candidate for this experiment. go on Logicboy!

you even stand to gain money from this experiment!

Urhobo to be exact, send me ur email....I go email you my pic in trad attire (but no post am for Nairaland oo- boko boys are watching)


If the experiment is held in lagos and the goat or fowl chained, why not....sha I must now beg my soldier pals to give me a gun...