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Local Government Autonomy, Creation Of More States by CROWE: 12:29am On May 15, 2013
There is so much talk about the place of local governments in our nation and there is also so much talk about going back to 6 geopolitical zones and creation of more states. We spend a lot of time talking about whether GEJ is working or not but these are things that could readily change under his administration, we should be talking about them too, what do you guys think about these things, should they happen, yes or no, how and why?

Also, anybody have any idea when the constitution review is going to end.

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Re: Local Government Autonomy, Creation Of More States by Bontee: 7:43am On May 15, 2013
I would have preffered for the states to be dismantled and and lets have local governments that can cooperate to work on regional basis. The most important thing also for our system to work is to make every local government control her resources while paying taxes to the central government.

I don't know when it is going to end but i doubt if anything meaningful will come out of it in terms of creating more states or granting autonomy to LGA's

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Re: Local Government Autonomy, Creation Of More States by CROWE: 3:44pm On May 15, 2013
What do you mean by "work on regional basis"? are you saying that local governments should be dived into regions, what responsibility will these regions have, also aren't the local governments too small and numerous? I don't think they can all be self sustaining since local governments were not cut out using any formula, they are all just random cut outs of land, it doesn't feel like a good idea to base government along random lines.
Re: Local Government Autonomy, Creation Of More States by Bontee: 9:06am On May 16, 2013
Yes they should form regions by themselves and not through the constitution. Two to five local government can come together and cooperate in health care, education, provision of water and security matters. You can decide to do it alone if you feel that the capacity and capability is there for you.

Yes some local government are small but it doesn't mean they cannot meet some of their basic functions which can be a collection from health care provision, education, water supply, regulating small business, markets, local transportation, farmlands and environmental duties. They can cooperate with other local governments for other big projects that they are not capable of doing.

Local government can always be self sustaining through activities within their domain and some support from the central government. They initially got their funding straight from the federation account until lagos state and some southwest state won the court case to control both the state and local government allocation. It was only lagos state that actually funded their local government when this change was made while the others starved the local councils.This is what is obtainable to this day in the whole federation and until we fix that then our local government are just like waste pipes.

The states too are also random cut of lines and that's why we still hear stories for agitation to create more states. No one is going to ask for more states if there is no allocation from the center. Our federalism is a mess and until we fix that, we will continue to have unproductive state and local government. Infact save for the allocation that comes to the state and then we actually have numerous unproductive states and local governments. Local government has a place in our soceity but the present structure will not allow them to function properly.

For Nigeria to progress, scrap the states, merge the house of rep and senate, let them work on part time basis, go back to resource control and make the center less desirable. Local government should control their resources while paying taxes to the center. Transfer 80 to 90 percent of the present duties to the local government then see how competition will make us to do the right thing. Even this can be done in the present structure but you hardly see local government cooperation but you here only states shouting about regional integration.
Re: Local Government Autonomy, Creation Of More States by CROWE: 11:51am On May 16, 2013
I asked my cousin why local governments getting autonomy is so clamoured for when no one else does it and he responded by saying peoples judgement is clouded by the "government" in their name, that there is no reason to scrap the states in favor of local governments.

If a governments jurisdiction is too small the government will be too weak and if it is too big effective governance becomes too difficult ergo the local governments are too small and the federal government is too big. The states aren't just random cut outs of land there is considerable deliberation across ethic and tribal lines and this isn't purely unfounded, Germans are industrial people while the Polish people aren't, so there are different economic priorities for Igbos, the Yoruba etc which is why the states somewhat seem to thread across tribal and ethnic lines on the other hand there is no reason why Plateau has 17 local governments while Kano has 45. The federal government was in direct control of Nigeria so it created the 36 states, on the local government level it is not ideal for a government so far removed from the situation to make informed decisions on the matter.

If Nigeria was going to do local governments and scrap the states we would still need to scrap the local governments and start over because like most of Nigeria's laws there was no logic put into their establishment so we'd at least have to do it right. Also, having multiple divisions like this only works when the orders come from the centre, if they are all autonomous efficiency will be lost, chaos would ensue as people would be headed in far too many directions, have you any idea what it would be like if the laws changed every few miles? Because since they are governments they have to have their own laws.

Also, most of the people who want more states only want it so their kin have a shot at governor so they cann get government money too, this is born from the fact that Nigeria is a hot bed for poverty and government is by far the easiest and surest way to wealth, it is a symptom and not a problem. 774 local governments would exponentially increase the cost of government and so will the fact that the central government would need to be a few times bigger to deal with them all. The failure of our states is due to the fact they they were never given any power to begin with, the central government holds all the cards with things like the exclusive list, they interfere with what the state governments want to do (like stopping Lagos from building a Lagos only power plant) and they have their grubby mits in the local governments as well, with all the interference and walls from the central governments state governments have become a powerless tier of government and it is more or less guaranteed that no one who really wants to do anything goes there and we are left with state governments populated by people who either don't care or just want the hand outs. There is no reason why our states shouldn't work if we allow them to, the states in the Nigerian experience as an argument is not the fault of the system but rather our implementation, the solution would be to change it but the local governments on the other hand have many practical and realistic arguments against it.

It would be nice if a few more people weighed in on this though.
Re: Local Government Autonomy, Creation Of More States by Missionaire: 11:32am On Dec 27, 2022
CROWE:
I asked my cousin why local governments getting autonomy is so clamoured for when no one else does it and he responded by saying peoples judgement is clouded by the "government" in their name, that there is no reason to scrap the states in favor of local governments.

If a governments jurisdiction is too small the government will be too weak and if it is too big effective governance becomes too difficult ergo the local governments are too small and the federal government is too big. The states aren't just random cut outs of land there is considerable deliberation across ethic and tribal lines and this isn't purely unfounded, Germans are industrial people while the Polish people aren't, so there are different economic priorities for Igbos, the Yoruba etc which is why the states somewhat seem to thread across tribal and ethnic lines on the other hand there is no reason why Plateau has 17 local governments while Kano has 45. The federal government was in direct control of Nigeria so it created the 36 states, on the local government level it is not ideal for a government so far removed from the situation to make informed decisions on the matter.

If Nigeria was going to do local governments and scrap the states we would still need to scrap the local governments and start over because like most of Nigeria's laws there was no logic put into their establishment so we'd at least have to do it right. Also, having multiple divisions like this only works when the orders come from the centre, if they are all autonomous efficiency will be lost, chaos would ensue as people would be headed in far too many directions, have you any idea what it would be like if the laws changed every few miles? Because since they are governments they have to have their own laws.

Also, most of the people who want more states only want it so their kin have a shot at governor so they cann get government money too, this is born from the fact that Nigeria is a hot bed for poverty and government is by far the easiest and surest way to wealth, it is a symptom and not a problem. 774 local governments would exponentially increase the cost of government and so will the fact that the central government would need to be a few times bigger to deal with them all. The failure of our states is due to the fact they they were never given any power to begin with, the central government holds all the cards with things like the exclusive list, they interfere with what the state governments want to do (like stopping Lagos from building a Lagos only power plant) and they have their grubby mits in the local governments as well, with all the interference and walls from the central governments state governments have become a powerless tier of government and it is more or less guaranteed that no one who really wants to do anything goes there and we are left with state governments populated by people who either don't care or just want the hand outs. There is no reason why our states shouldn't work if we allow them to, the states in the Nigerian experience as an argument is not the fault of the system but rather our implementation, the solution would be to change it but the local governments on the other hand have many practical and realistic arguments against it.

It would be nice if a few more people weighed in on this though.

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